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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 17, 2017 13:19:24 GMT -5
Personally I am thinking this is all about the payouts that farming earned with clubbing...The old Farmers used a method that earned them a lot more than what tanking and general playing does now - less labor too. THEY ARE REVOLTING! Their pay has been cut in half...The response ? To completely wreck the game for everyone, and force Pix to return the MM back until they can get a system that pays them out at the old rates. The MM will be "broken" In their opinions until they get it... Clubbing was simply more profitable than what is now the replacement method of 'tanking' ( more labor less pay). The "Farmers" are not happy about their rate of returns so they turn their forks on the MM (Pix) and protest to return to the old farming ways. I read a post this morning about a guy purposely obstructing his own team the entire match as the best way to blow his stats the fastest...Protest! Tanking/Clubbing in this game community is it's dirty little widespread secret. Nobody admits they are doing it "but you gotta do it " if you want to get ahead...Its all about the rate of return. Look at the picture and tell me the MM is broken, or is it that you are not earning the old Clubber Academy rates?
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 17, 2017 13:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by Trogon on Feb 17, 2017 13:40:36 GMT -5
Is this really about the MM...? For former clubbers, probably not. For the rest of us, yes.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 17, 2017 13:55:49 GMT -5
Oh I very much think that this is a HUGE part of it. There was a thread that was supposed to be satirical, about a month back, I think, that was outlining this very idea and how they were going to do it. "You wrecked my fun, now I RUIN yours," about sums it up, but it went into detail about the Hows and the Whys behind doing it. With a bunch of immature BS Keyboard Warrior Bravado crap thrown in.
It was removed, and while it was here it was laughed off or dismissed, but I feel that there was more than a hint of truth behind the "satirical" facade.
It's really sad that Pix let the ridiculous clubbing aspect of farming go on for so long, creating an environment of entitlement along with the feeling of semi-approval for the method by Pix by the lack of doing anything meaningful about it. But, this is merely a guess... It may just be that everyone that is tanking is doing it for ethically relative reasons to amplify the voices of the downtrodden...
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Now I am not saying that there aren't some majorly fed up people that are tired of getting stomped in horrendously mismatched games... I don't see their games so I don't know what they are going through... but not everyone complaining is a clubber... I am sure.
But clans who were well informed, organized, and dead set on playing the game their way?... yes, I think that this is a strong possibility, Rock.
But, no proof! LOL
(although I did get screens of the thread... and the worst of the posts that were there when I was able to look at it. Mainly because I couldn't believe someone took this game that freaking seriously. But, again, it's just satire according to all, so better forgotten as it can't possibly be true. Well, whether it was or not... it sure seems like it's being done.)
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Post by buzzard on Feb 17, 2017 14:02:50 GMT -5
Rockwelder- this is why I am crossing my fingers for a good reward system in the leagues. This tanking nonsense needs to stop. I see tankers every other game now. When I see 0 damage my blood boils. They really do ruin it for everyone. At least some are going full beacon run mode to tank now, which is marginally better.
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Post by hazmatt on Feb 17, 2017 14:09:31 GMT -5
It's about the returns and the fun. I was a true gep farmer until the new MM took place, 5 geps, 2 with mags, 2 with aphids and a pinata gep. I farmed in low silver tier and was occasionally bumped up to high silver. A day or two before the new MM started, I decided to cross over into hi silver permanently with my geps. It is much more fun to win 90% of your matches and win 10 gold in 90% of those wins than it currently is. Using my current top hanger, I either win and end up in 4-6 spot with no gold or, I lose and end up with top damage. Again, no gold. I do occasionally win 5 gold for top beacons and rarely top damage on a winning team. The MM seems to keep me in the worst possible scenario, best player on a craptastic team or, low end player on a dominant team.
Although, I don't really need gold now, it's mostly about the silver I earn. The high end upgrades cost truck loads of silver. When farming in low silver tier, I averaged 300k+ silver per match. When I was bumped up to high silver, I could earn even more. Now, I'm lucky to average 150k. Thsee bigger and higher level bots have significantly higher repair costs. So far I have kept my upgrades running with minimal down time. Those days are soon to end though. Within a week, I see myself with nothing upgrading and saving for days to scratch together enough silver for the next upgrade
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 17, 2017 14:12:10 GMT -5
It's about the returns and the fun. I was a true gep farmer until the new MM took place, 5 geps, 2 with mags, 2 with aphids and a pinata gep. I farmed in low silver tier and was occasionally bumped up to high silver. A day or two before the new MM started, I decided to cross over into hi silver permanently with my geps. It is much more fun to win 90% of your matches and win 10 gold in 90% of those wins than it currently is. Using my current top hanger, I either win and end up in 4-6 spot with no gold or, I lose and end up with top damage. Again, no gold. I do occasionally win 5 gold for top beacons and rarely top damage on a winning team. The MM seems to keep me in the worst possible scenario, best player on a craptastic team or, low end player on a dominant team. Although, I don't really need gold now, it's mostly about the silver I earn. The high end upgrades cost truck loads of silver. When farming in low silver tier, I averaged 300k+ silver per match. When I was bumped up to high silver, I could earn even more. Now, I'm lucky to average 150k. Thsee bigger and higher level bots have significantly higher repair costs. So far I have kept my upgrades running with minimal down time. Those days are soon to end though. Within a week, I see myself with nothing upgrading and saving for days to scratch together enough silver for the next upgrade Thank you for being honest...
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Post by buzzard on Feb 17, 2017 14:12:41 GMT -5
It's about the returns and the fun. I was a true gep farmer until the new MM took place, 5 geps, 2 with mags, 2 with aphids and a pinata gep. I farmed in low silver tier and was occasionally bumped up to high silver. A day or two before the new MM started, I decided to cross over into hi silver permanently with my geps. It is much more fun to win 90% of your matches and win 10 gold in 90% of those wins than it currently is. Using my current top hanger, I either win and end up in 4-6 spot with no gold or, I lose and end up with top damage. Again, no gold. I do occasionally win 5 gold for top beacons and rarely top damage on a winning team. The MM seems to keep me in the worst possible scenario, best player on a craptastic team or, low end player on a dominant team. Although, I don't really need gold now, it's mostly about the silver I earn. The high end upgrades cost truck loads of silver. When farming in low silver tier, I averaged 300k+ silver per match. When I was bumped up to high silver, I could earn even more. Now, I'm lucky to average 150k. Thsee bigger and higher level bots have significantly higher repair costs. So far I have kept my upgrades running with minimal down time. Those days are soon to end though. Within a week, I see myself with nothing upgrading and saving for days to scratch together enough silver for the next upgrade You mean like everyone else who doesn't exploit the system?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 17, 2017 14:13:44 GMT -5
Rockwelder- this is why I am crossing my fingers for a good reward system in the leagues. This tanking nonsense needs to stop. I see tankers every other game now. When I see 0 damage my blood boils. They really do ruin it for everyone. At least some are going full beacon run mode to tank now, which is marginally better. I too, am only very slightly more OK with that method. Only slightly because they are still screwing their team. There are so many things a light bot can do to help that don't require lots of damage that is in addition to the Beacon Capping. You can easily distract, flank, harass, etc., without racking up huge amounts of damage. And isn't it now thought that you can be on the winning side and if you are on the bottom of the damage list, you still drop your rating? Sometimes there is more to a win than beacons. In fact, you could probably play as hard as you can in those lights, and still end up at the bottom, or near enough, of the damage pile. Unless you are in a Gary... that bot can still surprise me. But, there is a "leave battle" button so Pix must want them to do it... Sigh.
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Post by kingzam on Feb 17, 2017 14:13:55 GMT -5
I couldn't disagree more, I actually get higher payouts now (because of the wealth that's involved in gold bots - higher health) The reason why there is so much dislike for this system has a lot to do with .. gosh do i have to say it again 1) forced into playing gold with gold bots which requires to be upgraded to competition levels, now or else face losing continously with inferior bots and weapons. 2) the making of many of the bots we bought and even some weapons, useless, and not able to use now because they don't compete with gold level bots 3) Not able to choose a hanger we want to play with.. maybe a person rather play silver once in a while, not gold all the time. 4) many just want to be competitive with the bots and weapons they have at this moment, not in some distant future.
Farming isn't even the issue here
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Post by buzzard on Feb 17, 2017 14:15:00 GMT -5
Rockwelder- this is why I am crossing my fingers for a good reward system in the leagues. This tanking nonsense needs to stop. I see tankers every other game now. When I see 0 damage my blood boils. They really do ruin it for everyone. At least some are going full beacon run mode to tank now, which is marginally better. I too, am only very slightly more OK with that method. Only slightly because they are still screwing their team. There are so many things a light bot can do to help that don't require lots of damage that is in addition to the Beacon Capping. You can easily distract, flank, harass, etc., without racking up huge amounts of damage. And isn't it now thought that you can be on the winning side and if you are on the bottom of the damage list, you still drop your rating? Sometimes there is more to a win than beacons. In fact, you could probably play as hard as you can in those lights, and still end up at the bottom, or near enough, of the damage pile. Unless you are in a Gary... that bot can still surprise me. But, there is a "leave battle" button so Pix must want them to do it... Sigh. LMAO....
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Post by boomsplat on Feb 17, 2017 14:40:15 GMT -5
I think it is something more than just farming. I think it is also a battle of willpower with those who accept the Pixo premise of TT is aspirational vs those who do not buy into that premise.
When you boil it down to the arguments within the old system, it was really a battle between style of play: diversified hanger and progression to TT vs optimized for tier line ups and choice of progression. The need for resources was always there, but a number of the clubbers (I for one) did it more for the choice of progression - wanting to use their geps in silver tier...the resources just came with it to build out my SECONDARY line up of a gold hanger.
With the new MM, that choice is eliminated and you have to diversify your hanger to participate in the old gold tier style play. It is a forced progression to TT - so you are seeing some rebel against that forced choice by tanking so they can do what they want to do. I like to win so deliberately losing to win seems idiotic - you end up in the same place as just playing the current system so why bother.
But the old arguments about doing the right thing and public shaming, etc won't be any more useful to counter the new behaviors....it is just the effect of the behavior of tanking is even more widely felt. So it will be left up to Pixo to implement a solution.
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Post by hazmatt on Feb 17, 2017 14:42:16 GMT -5
It's about the returns and the fun. I was a true gep farmer until the new MM took place, 5 geps, 2 with mags, 2 with aphids and a pinata gep. I farmed in low silver tier and was occasionally bumped up to high silver. A day or two before the new MM started, I decided to cross over into hi silver permanently with my geps. It is much more fun to win 90% of your matches and win 10 gold in 90% of those wins than it currently is. Using my current top hanger, I either win and end up in 4-6 spot with no gold or, I lose and end up with top damage. Again, no gold. I do occasionally win 5 gold for top beacons and rarely top damage on a winning team. The MM seems to keep me in the worst possible scenario, best player on a craptastic team or, low end player on a dominant team. Although, I don't really need gold now, it's mostly about the silver I earn. The high end upgrades cost truck loads of silver. When farming in low silver tier, I averaged 300k+ silver per match. When I was bumped up to high silver, I could earn even more. Now, I'm lucky to average 150k. Thsee bigger and higher level bots have significantly higher repair costs. So far I have kept my upgrades running with minimal down time. Those days are soon to end though. Within a week, I see myself with nothing upgrading and saving for days to scratch together enough silver for the next upgrade You mean like everyone else who doesn't exploit the system? I definitely believe the former MM needed to be revamped. There is no way a gepard should have been in the same category as destriers and cossacks. And I will also agree that my lvl 3 gep with 12.11.8 mags dominated most lvl 4 medium bots with lvl 8 weapons and most lvl 6 heavies with lvl 5 weapons. Perhaps the tier calculations should have had a weapon lvl cap across all tiers, focused more on average weapon lvl and number of weapon slots with less taken into account for the weight class of the bot. Low bronze definitely had a lvl 8 weapons cap, high bronze had a lvl 9 weapon cap. Why low silver had no cap is beyond my compression.
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Post by FunkenA on Feb 17, 2017 14:42:48 GMT -5
I love to farm... The entire freemium model is all about farming... You can whine argue or come up with any reason you want to be anti-farmer but the bottom line is that is what ALL FREEMIUM GAMES ARE ABOUT.
If you don't like it maybe you shoudl not download freemium apps because freemiums apps allow you to buy resources and/or farm them..
So yes there are lots of players out there who are frustrated because they spent money and farmed the game for a long long time.. and whether or not Pixonic intended the game to be played that way or not they signed on tot he freemium model.
AND most everyone agreed the MM had to be tweaked but what they have done to it is not a tweak its a complete 180 degree about face... of course lots of p;layers were not going ot be happy. YOU CANNOT JUST DO A COMPLETE 180 ABOUT FACE WITH THE MM SYSTEM THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SPENT MONEY ON AND THAT NOT WHAT THEY ENJOYED. Common sense alone said that was a recipe for disaster
I don't tank anymore because its worthless but I am playing about 50 games less a day now.
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Post by themadmac on Feb 17, 2017 14:44:52 GMT -5
Rockwelder- this is why I am crossing my fingers for a good reward system in the leagues. This tanking nonsense needs to stop. I see tankers every other game now. When I see 0 damage my blood boils. They really do ruin it for everyone. At least some are going full beacon run mode to tank now, which is marginally better. In my games they fire one volley then punch out. So many below 100k damage right now. My question is with so many people doing it are they really getting that much return on investment?
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Post by hulkz1 on Feb 17, 2017 14:48:40 GMT -5
First of all. Even with clubbing, progression in this game to the only level that assures even matches...12/12 bots and weapons....takes far to long. It is no wonder we are being fed to the big boyz as im sure they are very tired of sitting high up on the hill playing with themselves. I would like to put together complete leveled hangars of 5 bots every month or so as then I could try everything. As it is lvl 6 is about it then its time to try new stuff. THE TIME AND PRICE ARE TO HIGH PIXONIC.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 17, 2017 14:59:14 GMT -5
Rockwelder- this is why I am crossing my fingers for a good reward system in the leagues. This tanking nonsense needs to stop. I see tankers every other game now. When I see 0 damage my blood boils. They really do ruin it for everyone. At least some are going full beacon run mode to tank now, which is marginally better. In my games they fire one volley then punch out. So many below 100k damage right now. My question is with so many people doing it are they really getting that much return on investment? I don't think they are...Tanking takes a lot more time then just jumping in your Geps and going to town...Tanking however, is both a protest and the best a farmer can manage with the current MM...I have read a few posters who have noted what one in this thread did..returns are a lot less.. The average player who doesn't tank sees wild match ups because tanking screws up average damage, which screws up the MM placement. My theory is that tanking is being used like a poor mans DDos on the MM..prevents it from working the way it was designed. Why mess up the MM?..to get a new one that might pay better. Or the old one back...Local 301 Clubbers United would take either at the moment.
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Post by buzzard on Feb 17, 2017 15:01:10 GMT -5
I love to farm... The entire freemium model is all about farming... You can whine argue or come up with any reason you want to be anti-farmer but the bottom line is that is what ALL FREEMIUM GAMES ARE ABOUT. If you don't like it maybe you shoudl not download freemium apps because freemiums apps allow you to buy resources and/or farm them.. So yes there are lots of players out there who are frustrated because they spent money and farmed the game for a long long time.. and whether or not Pixonic intended the game to be played that way or not they signed on tot he freemium model. AND most everyone agreed the MM had to be tweaked but what they have done to it is not a tweak its a complete 180 degree about face... of course lots of p;layers were not going ot be happy. YOU CANNOT JUST DO A COMPLETE 180 ABOUT FACE WITH THE MM SYSTEM THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SPENT MONEY ON AND THAT NOT WHAT THEY ENJOYED. Common sense alone said that was a recipe for disaster I don't tank anymore because its worthless but I am playing about 50 games less a day now. Wow! That is turning an argument on its head. It's not "if you dont like playing by the rules, dont' play". It's "if you don't like people exploiting, don't play"...
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 17, 2017 15:05:13 GMT -5
I love to farm... The entire freemium model is all about farming... You can whine argue or come up with any reason you want to be anti-farmer but the bottom line is that is what ALL FREEMIUM GAMES ARE ABOUT. If you don't like it maybe you shoudl not download freemium apps because freemiums apps allow you to buy resources and/or farm them.. So yes there are lots of players out there who are frustrated because they spent money and farmed the game for a long long time.. and whether or not Pixonic intended the game to be played that way or not they signed on tot he freemium model. AND most everyone agreed the MM had to be tweaked but what they have done to it is not a tweak its a complete 180 degree about face... of course lots of p;layers were not going ot be happy. YOU CANNOT JUST DO A COMPLETE 180 ABOUT FACE WITH THE MM SYSTEM THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SPENT MONEY ON AND THAT NOT WHAT THEY ENJOYED. Common sense alone said that was a recipe for disaster I don't tank anymore because its worthless but I am playing about 50 games less a day now. There it is.. in a nut shell... what he said. The particularly vindictive clubbers are simply out vandalizing the MM any way they can.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 17, 2017 15:16:38 GMT -5
I love to farm... The entire freemium model is all about farming... You can whine argue or come up with any reason you want to be anti-farmer but the bottom line is that is what ALL FREEMIUM GAMES ARE ABOUT. If you don't like it maybe you shoudl not download freemium apps because freemiums apps allow you to buy resources and/or farm them.. So yes there are lots of players out there who are frustrated because they spent money and farmed the game for a long long time.. and whether or not Pixonic intended the game to be played that way or not they signed on tot he freemium model. AND most everyone agreed the MM had to be tweaked but what they have done to it is not a tweak its a complete 180 degree about face... of course lots of p;layers were not going ot be happy. YOU CANNOT JUST DO A COMPLETE 180 ABOUT FACE WITH THE MM SYSTEM THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SPENT MONEY ON AND THAT NOT WHAT THEY ENJOYED. Common sense alone said that was a recipe for disaster I don't tank anymore because its worthless but I am playing about 50 games less a day now. You know, I don't agree with a lot of what you say, but I do agree that there has to be a way to consistently earn in order to progress in a game that is supposed to be able to support a large Free to Play base. I'm not getting into the whole moral argument of Gep clubbing right now. Nor Silver tier Gep "farming" (level 12 weapons in any Silver tier was still an exploit, not a strategy, but I digress). But the biggest complaint I hear is the rewards. Period. Almost all of the arguments against what is in place now boil down to the lack of Au. Even the diversity argument isn't near as loud, and I've been finding that if I use a hanger that has less damage potential, the game seems to shift me into matches that come close to meeting my requirements for a fair game. BTW, this is not due to using less leveled weapons than I have in my hanger, but due to the fact that the bots being used don't have the hard points to mount high damage load-outs, nor the HP to survive in the highest matches that I could conceivably play, my stats go down even if I play hard... and I end up in very close to even match ups. So, honest question, if the rewards for league placement actually make sense, will that make a difference for you? If you get more Au for winning in the higher leagues... will you strive to get there? Or will that not be enough for you? I'm not saying this in a 「wee-wee」 way, but as a freemium player, will you get the same enjoyment as before if you are running your best hanger and capable of winning whatever the most gold possible is for a match... even if you don't always win or finish 1st... will just the better chance of reaching that, make a difference to you?
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 17, 2017 15:44:29 GMT -5
I don't tank anymore because its worthless but I am playing about 50 games less a day now. Whoa - if I read this right you played well over 50 games a day? How many games do you play a day now? I'm between 8-10 games a day (closer 8 if I can get my Tasks done fast) and it's just to get the free 60 gold a day. Is this game entertaining enough for more than 20 games a day at this point?
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 17, 2017 15:47:51 GMT -5
Those days are soon to end though. Within a week, I see myself with nothing upgrading and saving for days to scratch together enough silver for the next upgrade I'm already there on my Android account, trying to get all my equipment to level 9. Upgrade for 1.5 days then attempt to get enough silver for the next upgrade for the next 4 days...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 15:59:53 GMT -5
The OPs stance sounds like one big rationalization. Something he wants to be able to blame on those who do not agree with him, or his opinions for. Even more, he most likely doesnt like that they are speaking negatively of PIX and the game. Maybe he cant grasp that it could be that your everyday, average player, might contain some ranks that merely dont like it. Its always got to be clubber related with people like this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 17:11:00 GMT -5
Some people tank because they do not have the equipment to fight 12/12s every damn round.
Tankers are different from ditchers. Tankers generally will not shoot unless necessary and focus on capturing beacons every match.
Ditchers leave the game after a minute or two.
I am a tanker, I will say that. I tank to find equal leveled competition.
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Post by hazmatt on Feb 17, 2017 17:34:40 GMT -5
I love to farm... The entire freemium model is all about farming... You can whine argue or come up with any reason you want to be anti-farmer but the bottom line is that is what ALL FREEMIUM GAMES ARE ABOUT. If you don't like it maybe you shoudl not download freemium apps because freemiums apps allow you to buy resources and/or farm them.. So yes there are lots of players out there who are frustrated because they spent money and farmed the game for a long long time.. and whether or not Pixonic intended the game to be played that way or not they signed on tot he freemium model. AND most everyone agreed the MM had to be tweaked but what they have done to it is not a tweak its a complete 180 degree about face... of course lots of p;layers were not going ot be happy. YOU CANNOT JUST DO A COMPLETE 180 ABOUT FACE WITH THE MM SYSTEM THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SPENT MONEY ON AND THAT NOT WHAT THEY ENJOYED. Common sense alone said that was a recipe for disaster I don't tank anymore because its worthless but I am playing about 50 games less a day now. Amen
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Post by Fishin_Chip on Feb 17, 2017 17:41:04 GMT -5
I played in silver (back when that was a thing) because I liked the gameplay, not because I was interested in accumulating resources.
The current MM forces me into games with high level heavy bots. While it makes for challenging games, it also means I run bots that I don't enjoy. I find this gameplay lacking. In fact, if not for squad play I would likely not play at all any more.
I have played gold, I have played test server, neither had any lasting interest for me.
For those of you that enjoy top tier play, more power to you. I am happy that there is a group of pilots that still enjoy the game. However, I have never understood why people feel the need to force everyone else to play the style of game you happen to enjoy. Isn't it enough that it works for you?
It is kind of sad that all of the complaining about clubbing has brought us to this place.
Well, there will always be players who exploit the system, and they are not gone.
Only thing gone is the fun.
Cheers!
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Post by ipwng0dz on Feb 17, 2017 18:46:46 GMT -5
Lol you won't see maxed hangars if you play consistently every game and you aren't on that level.
I resisted the mm as well but eventually decided to give this game an honest effort. I figured the devs came up with a decent game to begin with so maybe their vision of the future of the game is worth meeting them half ways.
I was able to learn a few things about my play style that I'm willing to share in hopes that 1 person unhappy with the current mm will hear:
1) you're not as good as you think you are and your unhappiness with the mm is my proof because if you were you wouldn't be so unhappy about it.
2) don't rush a heavy straight on in a light bot until you understand some fundamental math: x=their firepower y=your firepower x>y
3) there is such thing as tridents. I figure most people unhappy with them are so because they haven't experienced them while clubbing. They're the gold version of what you used to be.. buy some and learn to use them. You'll then learn their strengths and weaknesses and be an overall better player.
Again this is what I've learned; things that I wish I had absorbed during those first frustrating weeks of trying to fight the direction the game is heading towards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 20:26:30 GMT -5
I was unhappy because my silver mediums, gep and rog were suddenly facing a solid wall of Leos, Griffins, Au and WSP meds/heavies equipped with equal or better weapons... and that didn't change regardless of the beating I took. I was good enough to hang on to my rating with my fingernails, but wasnt going to see any kind of real success in terms of Au. Basically the game was pushing me to upgrade or tank. I didnt (and still don't) appreciate that kind of heavy-handedness by Pix.
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Post by noobcake on Feb 17, 2017 20:38:29 GMT -5
It's about the returns and the fun. I was a true gep farmer until the new MM took place, 5 geps, 2 with mags, 2 with aphids and a pinata gep. I farmed in low silver tier and was occasionally bumped up to high silver. A day or two before the new MM started, I decided to cross over into hi silver permanently with my geps. It is much more fun to win 90% of your matches and win 10 gold in 90% of those wins than it currently is. Using my current top hanger, I either win and end up in 4-6 spot with no gold or, I lose and end up with top damage. Again, no gold. I do occasionally win 5 gold for top beacons and rarely top damage on a winning team. The MM seems to keep me in the worst possible scenario, best player on a craptastic team or, low end player on a dominant team. While I was never a farmer but Hazmatt's words resonate with me. I used to play low silver with a balanced hangar. I enjoyed facing a variety of bots and I felt rewarded for my efforts. The new matchmaking system has removed much of the bot variety but compensated somewhat with more challenging matches. The part I don't like is that I am not rewarded for my efforts. Playing against max hangars can be challenging and even fun at times--being evaluated and rewarded on the same level as them is frustrating. Worse is getting stuck in the loop of losing as top unrewarded bot or winning on a comparatively overpowered team. For my part, I would be happy with 2 changes. The most important is an overhaul of the rewards system. The second thing would be some limits on the elo score. A 7/9 should not face 12/12s no matter how good they are or how bad the max hangars are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 20:49:19 GMT -5
@kingkull 's point has always been valid from the launch of the new MM - our favorite medium bots (other than Carnage and Gala) are all outclassed by a heavy counterpart and therefore cannot really be used anymore. Pix stated in their announcement something to effect that a changing dynamic game will often render certain things obsolete. But that said, I think ipwng0dz is on to something. Those accustomed to the old silver tier, myself included, must play differently now. You cannot run freely in the open as you could in silver. You cannot wildly charge center beacon just b/c you git there first. You cannot engage an enemy with certainty that they cannot be higher than 4/6 (or whatever tier you played in). You cannot walk around without hugging a wall. The losses are more frequent. Sometimes the matchup is unfair. However, after a loss, you can blame the MM as the sole reason and then go rage quit the game, or you can try to think about what you could have done better.
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