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Post by SGT D00M! on Oct 23, 2016 19:31:49 GMT -5
I play mostly knife fighters, but like to have one ranged set-up per hangar.
The Medium range rockets and the Zues/ Molot combo seems to be the most viable, however choosing between them can be difficult.
I know the medium range rockets are more popular, but I lean towards the Zues/molot for several reasons.
1. Better Range. This can matter quite a bit on the bigger maps
2. Higher Rate of Fire. I hate feeling unarmed for extended periods of time like the rockets provide.
3. Better matched reload times. The disconnect between the Trident/CRV and the Tulumbas are my biggest dislikes of the rockets.
4. Zues can fire through Ancile type shields that start becoming common in silver
That said, rockets do splash damage and better DPS then Zues/molots. However, in silver, the shield bots do not yet dominate and the Tulumbas, Trident reload differential makes getting that optimal DPS difficult. My personal end take is that if your chosen mid-range bot platform has a heavy slot go Zues/Molot, otherwise stick to the Tulumbas/CRV. Possible exception for me is the Patton, where a molot set-up still has value.
Once you enter gold, rockets are the undisputed mid-range weapon.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Muhlakai on Oct 23, 2016 20:26:34 GMT -5
Probably important to note you're talking about Golems. Probably wouldn't be my preferred ranged frame. I'd probably rather throw the weapons on a Boa.
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Oct 23, 2016 21:25:30 GMT -5
I like le splash damage.
Also I like the golem and Patton as mid-range platforms. High firepower and unlike the prior post, I am completely happy with the lower survivability. Especially in silver tier--typically only need a support bot for a brief period... overall time better spent in a knifer or capper
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Post by SGT D00M! on Oct 23, 2016 21:33:09 GMT -5
Probably important to note you're talking about Golems. Probably wouldn't be my preferred ranged frame. I'd probably rather throw the weapons on a Boa. I'm not. Any bot can be your mid-range bot and I would not waste a mid range set up on a tank like the Boa. Boa makes a great knife fighter. |
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 23, 2016 21:36:53 GMT -5
Tulu+CRV+Tridents Golem are viable in Gold tier.
Molots, not so much, for now. And as you said, Zeus is good, but situational vs shield bots.
One would usually use a weapon as he upgrades it for Gold Tier, if that's your end game.
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Post by Kid Nikon on Oct 24, 2016 0:09:42 GMT -5
I've messed about with mid-range setups in a 4/6 medium bot environment. I like Zeus/Molots on a Vityaz well enough. Zeus/CRV is ok too. I tried Trident/CRV Pins but am bothered by the firing speed difference. I tend to go with quad CRV or quad Molots on a Patton more often and use the Vit with close range setups. I don't see many shield bots at this tier so mid-range splash is not a huge concern and I have Orkans if it becomes one.
I don't have a Golem. I have never warmed up to the design but understand they are popular. If I were running one I'd favor the Zeus/Molot/Molot T because the long reload time on a Tulumbas bugs me, and again, in my experience shields seem uncommon.
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Post by Neg0Pander on Oct 24, 2016 14:15:47 GMT -5
I love the Golem as a midrange frame because of just how many rockets you can put down. The Trident/Tulu/Pin Golem is my midrange solution and it has remarkable burst potential. The intial salvo is brutal but the tulu has a longer reload. If you are good, you will probably find that after the first salvo, you can find something to kill with just the Trident/Pin Salvo. Just a few seconds later, you aren't helpless (like they might think) because you have a big Tulu salvo that could take out another, followed immediately by the Trident/Pin. Also consider the considerable splash of the Tulu VS Pins. I've taken out many bots on the center beacon of Yamantau by just shooting the walls.
I like the setup a lot, because you have firepower and you have options. If somebody is coming directly for you and get too close you are toast, but you can really frustrate those that can't get to you. It's particularly good at picking off Gep or Stalker runners and for softening up the center beacon.
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Post by Neg0Pander on Oct 24, 2016 14:17:35 GMT -5
Also, I don't see the Boa as a good midrange platform, either. It's a tank and should be used like one. I think if somebody had a midrange boa it would never die, so they would stay in it long past its expiration date, so to speak.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 24, 2016 14:38:36 GMT -5
Agreed on the Boa not being my usual mid range bot... however... if you think about it, a trident/tulum boa isn't but 4 missiles less than a Golum with a Tri/Tulum/CRV load out. And yes it would prolly live longer than a golum... but if you are using it to take out other ranged bots with multiple Tridents or Trebs like on a Nat, that extra HP could be nice.
Personally though, when I am using all Meds, Golum is my preferred Trident platform... Yes, with Tulums and CRVs. It's just too versatile with corner shooting and it tends to be taken lightly. Or at least, in my experience I am ignored for the knife fighters, even when we are close together... I guess to mitigate the largest threat.
Don't discount the little guy... his 'precious' is your home beacon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 15:28:32 GMT -5
Are you using 4 or 5 bot hanger? Once I finished the long haul to 5, I used 2 mid rangers, making every map winnable. This was a fairly highly tuned set up for, err, "intensive farming", and the stats are better than my gold hanger.... Depending on what I was facing, I'd use the Trident or Zeus second. The Gep was for emergency use only, usually 4th or 5 out.  |
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Post by Neg0Pander on Oct 24, 2016 15:30:15 GMT -5
Or at least, in my experience I am ignored for the knife fighters, even when we are close together... I guess to mitigate the largest threat. Don't discount the little guy... his 'precious' is your home beacon. My biggest scores ever were when the heaviest just completely ignored my mediums. I got into position took them down from the sides. I got 910K last night (My highest ever) on DeadCity that way. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 15:44:49 GMT -5
Are you using 4 or 5 bot hanger? Once I finished the long haul to 5, I used 2 mid rangers, making every map winnable. This was a fairly highly tuned set up for, err, "intensive farming", and the stats are better than my gold hanger.... Depending on what I was facing, I'd use the Trident or Zeus second. The Gep was for emergency use only, usually 4th or 5 out. What Tier do you end up with L9 weapons on all bots (plus penalty for Gold Bots...?). To be absolutely honest this looks like a "have fun" setup to me, not like an "intense farming" one...^^ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 16:59:17 GMT -5
Theres always preference, and what works for you. Skinning the cat type thing. How many hangar slots do you have.
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Post by Muhlakai on Oct 24, 2016 21:32:22 GMT -5
What Tier do you end up with L9 weapons on all bots (plus penalty for Gold Bots...?). To be absolutely honest this looks like a "have fun" setup to me, not like an "intense farming" one...^^ There's no gold bot penalty. He's looking at a solid middle silver tier. Geps and rogatkas are absolutely clubbing bots, and he's got them kitted out properly. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Oct 24, 2016 22:00:38 GMT -5
Theres always preference, and what works for you. Skinning the cat type thing. How many hangar slots do you have. Currently 4 and all knife fighters, but shortly I will have 5, and I want to have a mid-range available. I had 5 previously in my old account and that was where I formed my opinion on Zeus/Molot over Trident. Exceptions are bots with medium slots and no heavy slot such as Rogs and Grifs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 23:17:27 GMT -5
I hate waiting for reloads, and feeling "naked" on the battlefield. If it works for you , and you do well with it, go for it. 5th slot first though!
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 24, 2016 23:26:19 GMT -5
I hate waiting for reloads, and feeling "naked" on the battlefield. If it works for you , and you do well with it, go for it. 5th slot first though! Zeus is expensive though. Better off getting Orkans. |
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Post by Neg0Pander on Oct 24, 2016 23:54:00 GMT -5
I hate waiting for reloads, and feeling "naked" on the battlefield. If it works for you , and you do well with it, go for it. 5th slot first though! DB Patton must be torture for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 4:35:18 GMT -5
What Tier do you end up with L9 weapons on all bots (plus penalty for Gold Bots...?). To be absolutely honest this looks like a "have fun" setup to me, not like an "intense farming" one...^^ There's no gold bot penalty. He's looking at a solid middle silver tier. Geps and rogatkas are absolutely clubbing bots, and he's got them kitted out properly. Yup, this is my "Silver" setup. My top scores are all with this hanger, which paid for most of my Gold lineup. This seems to sit above the worst of the Gep frenzy, and any who stray into this tier don't really last too long. It was worked it out using TinTheFiends MM scale. If I move any of the robots to L4 or the weapons to L10 I end up in a Rhino family gathering. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 5:38:44 GMT -5
I was just wondering how a 6200 gold (bots alone)hangar could make sense for farming purposes... thats "some" games to pay for the investment^^ no Penalty for Gold Bots: srsly? So its Britbots (which basically are gold bots...) and wsp only? Now I want a Rog too...  +DethHilt+: 5 hangar slots. In case that was a question.^^ |
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Post by Muhlakai on Oct 25, 2016 8:22:06 GMT -5
I was just wondering how a 6200 gold (bots alone)hangar could make sense for farming purposes... thats "some" games to pay for the investment^^ no Penalty for Gold Bots: srsly? So its Britbots (which basically are gold bots...) and wsp only?^ Yup, just BritBots and WSP bots. They're popular farming bots because they're a touch sturdier, faster, and harder-hitting than other lights, which leaves them at a notable advantage against the noobs running Noricums and Spirals who don't know better than to upgrade their bots first. ...and you're right: it is NOT cost effective at all if you ever plan to move upwards. (Lemme find the link where I did the math...) Edit: Here it is: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/3197/thread/51 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 10:31:37 GMT -5
Yeah, my source was pretty much: "muhlakai did the math":'D But now I am tempted to go for a low silver hangar, too (I never thought about L3 meds with L9 weapons... would be nice to be able to level weapons that far)... my Gep is L3 anyways, 2 Boas, 2 Golems and then the Orkan-Rog. Orkan-Rog really sounds like a crazy mini-DB. Plus I totally love jumping mechs And from what I experience my winrate pushes me in low silver all the times anyways...might als well show up with L9 weapons (atm running l4 meds/l6 weapons). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 11:41:08 GMT -5
This thread has traveled a bit from the start ?, where I was trying to comment on Trident V Zeus.
I got the Rog Twins some time back, well before the Brit bots and speed nerf hit the Rog hard.
It still hits hard, and it great fun, but doesn't get to the beacons first anymore. I don't think my return on would be anything like as good. I wouldn't go the same route today, there's more cost effective combos out there.
And the overdue MM recalc may prevent these tactics.... be careful.
Returning to topic, I'll get off the fence and.....go for the trident.
You need to practice hitting moving targets at 500-600 meters, as in Gold most pilots don't stand still for you.
Or if they do, it's only to line you up for a kill shot.
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Post by Neg0Pander on Oct 25, 2016 12:18:33 GMT -5
Seems like the Zeus is a little less effective these days since you might have to take on shield bots, but it's still a damn fine weapon. I don't have one, but I get killed by them and that's how I know.
The cost is probably the issue though. That's why my vote is for Tridents and save your gold for something useful like an Ancile.
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 25, 2016 20:17:44 GMT -5
I just recently started using Tridents with CRV on a Natasha (poor man's Fury), and I'm starting to love it.
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Post by Neg0Pander on Oct 25, 2016 20:32:14 GMT -5
I just recently started using Tridents with CRV on a Natasha (poor man's Fury), and I'm starting to love it. You poor 「illegitimate child」. Desperately seeking a use for that Natasha. |
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Post by Neg0Pander on Oct 25, 2016 20:34:37 GMT -5
^haha. Was trying to say poor 「illegitimate child」. I so much love auto correct
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 21:44:53 GMT -5
I hate waiting for reloads, and feeling "naked" on the battlefield. If it works for you , and you do well with it, go for it. 5th slot first though! DB Patton must be torture for you. PVP Panic Attack! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 21:45:33 GMT -5
I hate waiting for reloads, and feeling "naked" on the battlefield. If it works for you , and you do well with it, go for it. 5th slot first though! Zeus is expensive though. Better off getting Orkans. Got 2 Zeus and 4 Orks - too late |
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