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Post by tttt on Oct 22, 2016 9:50:49 GMT -5
Trying to figure out which to outfit my Fujin with.
I'm trying out the molots but I'm getting the sense that the Fujin runs a lot like my Patton/aphids - fire and cover.
And if I'm holding a spot I want that burst damage quickly.
But the molots deliver a lot more damage per cycle. And I want to be able to hit them before they're in plasma range.
Opinions?
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Post by zoamelgustar on Oct 22, 2016 12:49:08 GMT -5
At least until the firearms update comes out, that one cycle of molots takes quite a bit of time. I've had a Fujin for quite a while, and in my experience, Fujin is best with orkans or tarans. Tulumbas takes 18 seconds to reload. Hydras, while fun, just don't put out the damage and don't have splash.
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Post by tttt on Oct 22, 2016 13:18:00 GMT -5
At least until the firearms update comes out, that one cycle of molots takes quite a bit of time. I've had a Fujin for quite a while, and in my experience, Fujin is best with orkans or tarans. Tulumbas takes 18 seconds to reload. Hydras, while fun, just don't put out the damage and don't have splash. That's what I was noticing. The molots take a long time to deal out damage, and I'm not necessarily hitting what I'm shooting at. OTOH, the reload time on the Tulumbas makes me feel like a sitting duck if I'm sentry. Maybe two Tulus and one Molot? |
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Post by omgtakebeacon on Oct 22, 2016 13:33:11 GMT -5
Molots only shoot popcorn and require a lot of exposure time. They never will be good. And if u put 3 on your fuijin it has same firepower as a griffin with 4 of them. Tulus are nice since they have 500m range so no one can hit you with plasma, others that hit you will be blocked by ypur shield. The reload time ain't that bad since you are far away. 2 orkans 1 taran would be my choice you should try it in test server. I never liked the bot since i almost never get killed by it( that's how i define a good bot). If ypu can't find a good setup you might want to skip the bot totally.
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Post by tttt on Oct 22, 2016 14:32:47 GMT -5
Hmm. I'm liking the tulumolot Fujin. Two Tulumbas deal fast damage and the Molot -t lets me keep going while they're reloading. The tracers with the Molot-t helps aiming. Plus I'm a bit more disciplined in waiting till things are within range of the Tulumbas.
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Oct 22, 2016 16:49:09 GMT -5
I don't want to be a jerk but I don't think Fujin is the bot for you. You can get much better results from a number of other bots in my opinion, whether you are seeking long or close range setups.
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Post by tttt on Oct 22, 2016 17:10:39 GMT -5
I'm just having fun with it. It's an interesting design and think it can be a good role player among a 5-bot hanger (when I get that 5th slot). May be not, but I enjoy the challenge of seeing if I can make it work
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 17:23:10 GMT -5
Tarans, Orks, T/O combo, T/O/MT or PT combo
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Post by Strayed on Oct 22, 2016 19:58:39 GMT -5
If you really want a fujin, then a triple orkan fujin or triple plasma fujin would be the best setups. A tulu fujin is the next best setup. I would probably recommend against a molot tulu fujin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 20:50:00 GMT -5
I'm just having fun with it. It's an interesting design and think it can be a good role player among a 5-bot hanger (when I get that 5th slot). May be not, but I enjoy the challenge of seeing if I can make it work I will say this: when jumping onto Fujins that are isolated in my Griffin knife fighters, they are pretty easy kills unless I notice they're triple tarans, in which case I stay the heck away, as that is a terrible matchup for any unshielded bot. I could rush it in a rhino of course but otherwise it's a deadly opponent. But if it's not triple taran/orkan, fujins are easy prey. |
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 22, 2016 21:12:02 GMT -5
Molot-T requires you to be exposed for a longer period of time as you empty your clip on the opponent. And if it's against a shield bot, it's rendered useless (no news of the firearms buff as of now. It's even removed from the Test Server, so God knows when we will see it on Live Server, I wouldn't bother because I'm still working on my current hangar)
But the problem with Fujin is, you cannot be exposed in the open for long, too squishy even with the shield on, as plasmas will eat you for breakfast.
Tulumbas on the other hand, just a single button and you can unload all your rockets, then hide and reposition while reloading.
With that being said, RDB Griff performs better than Tulu-Fujin, and it's much cheaper (only require Ag) and you can jump (avoiding rockets, Aphids, jump into cover, jump out of cover to hit, or even jump to cap beacons of different ground level), it's just superior to the Tulu-Fujin in every way.
Orkans and Tarans would suit the Fujin much better.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Oct 22, 2016 21:37:47 GMT -5
IMO, the Fujin doesn't make sense no matter what weapons it carries. The plasma Galahad already eats it at will no matter what weapons are on it.
If you add the Protolot to true equation, then every Golem/Vityaz/Boa with a Protolot has the ability to take out the Fujin from afar or at least keep it immobilized in Sentry mode for most of the match.
I just don't see much advantage to using the Fujin right now and a Fujin as a wasted bot slot after the Protolot gets here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 22:02:48 GMT -5
If you really want a fujin, then a triple orkan fujin or triple plasma fujin would be the best setups. A tulu fujin is the next best setup. I would probably recommend against a molot tulu fujin. Would that sound like,............pew, pew, pew? |
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 22, 2016 22:35:34 GMT -5
IMO, the Fujin doesn't make sense no matter what weapons it carries. The plasma Galahad already eats it at will no matter what weapons are on it. If you add the Protolot to true equation, then every Golem/Vityaz/Boa with a Protolot has the ability to take out the Fujin from afar or at least keep it immobilized in Sentry mode for most of the match. I just don't see much advantage to using the Fujin right now and a Fujin as a wasted bot slot after the Protolot gets here. I mostly agree, but Orkan x3 on a Fujin is insane. |
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Post by Strayed on Oct 22, 2016 23:39:50 GMT -5
If you really want a fujin, then a triple orkan fujin or triple plasma fujin would be the best setups. A tulu fujin is the next best setup. I would probably recommend against a molot tulu fujin. Would that sound like,............pew, pew, pew? The triple taran fujin sounds absolutely glorious, like the triple thunder fury. Triple orkan fujin just sounds like a normal death button. |
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Post by tttt on Oct 23, 2016 7:46:22 GMT -5
Thanks all.
I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, just that gold and wsp are going elsewhere for a while.
That's why I'm considering the Molot-Ts or Tulumbas for now since I want to be able to hit before they get within plasma range.
I was kind of planning on the firearms buff, but as that's been delayed I'm trying to modify the plan a bit.
That said, this is part of the 6/8 hanger I'm trying to develops. Step one is just trying to get it to a balanced 6/4 (heavies), which means (for me) a 7/7 medium and an 8/10 light. it's hard to tell as MM can be pretty random at this point, but I think when things are pretty even adding two Tulumbas seems to be effective with the one Molot.
But I'm not wedded to it, just looking for the best set-up for this point in the process.
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Post by tttt on Oct 23, 2016 8:28:30 GMT -5
Honestly, the biggest hit to my damage points is that at this level I waste a lot of combat time capping beacons that others just wander past ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 14:59:41 GMT -5
I just appear here to play devils advocate: stop caring about "buy 4 mags, 2,5 tarans and 4 orkans".
Its certainly the "most effective way" to go (but butchering kiddos and "idkwhatimdoings" in a game that is basically a twinstick shooter doesnt need "efficency"... not in low tiers).
Want a Fujin cause it looks cool (thats my reason^^): get one.
Want to play it in med-high bronze? Play it Level 2 with Level 4-5 Molots or Tulumbs. (Imho thats max before dipping into low silver, dep on win%).
In that Tier the Molots are well enough, your shield can protect Allies (if they realize that fact...) and you may practise to deliver splash dmg with the tulumbs.
Edit: and bout the dipsh**s unable to cap a beacon that they accidentally pass... lessons in zen...^^
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Post by Strayed on Oct 23, 2016 16:16:21 GMT -5
Or maybe because the game is the most fun when you aren't getting slaughtered by mag geps every game? We're here to deliver effective advice, not unconventional advice.
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Post by BLYTHE on Oct 23, 2016 19:34:27 GMT -5
In my opinion, taran or orkans--I do prefer tarans though for the constant fire and short reload time. I'm love hate with fujin really, sometimes it does well and others not because of its low health, speed, and susceptibility to plasma fire. I play mostly gold tier so I tend not to use them except when I have to complete a task using only medium bots.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 25, 2016 9:08:46 GMT -5
Or maybe because the game is the most fun when you aren't getting slaughtered by mag geps every game? We're here to deliver effective advice, not unconventional advice. Not arguing your statement... but his initial OP was about choosing between the Molots and the Tulums... which he later explained that he was doing specifically because he couldn't equip it the "best" way... So, he knows that it isn't the ideal load out. Just sayin' because I get the feeling that if anyone answers a question like his they won't be able to without getting ridiculed for not providing good advice... whether it was asked for or not... Again... not trying to argue what the "best" setup is... I agree with all that. It just doesn't answer the question he asked. |
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Post by [ita]SirKenzoY2J on Oct 25, 2016 9:23:12 GMT -5
i think Tulumbass Fujin it's not to bad, 500m is the very weapon, sentry mode only to defend himself or teamates when recharging, molots make you spot by other enemies, meanwhile tulumbass shots alla in a button and that make you going undercover to charge that's the best way to use it (also have splash dmg). in Top tier someone prefers it to RDB Griffin beacause combo with other mid-range supporter (Tridents Fury, Pins Leo), make them a perfect combination between attack power and defense. it's not bad, you have to gain experience to play better with it, it's not simple as all advanced lineups
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 3:55:20 GMT -5
Does anyone has sound advice how far he can level his Fujin and the weapons if he wants to stay in low silver (at least I think thats where he is)?
I have no idea (dont have any wsp bots)- but I heard from some Fujin pilots that they suddenly found themselves way over their head...
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 27, 2016 4:36:05 GMT -5
Does anyone has sound advice how far he can level his Fujin and the weapons if he wants to stay in low silver (at least I think thats where he is)? I have no idea (dont have any wsp bots)- but I heard from some Fujin pilots that they suddenly found themselves way over their head... The problem lies with Tulumbas, as the entry level is lvl5. Then his Fujin would have to be super low level...maybe even level 1 or 2. |
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Post by tttt on Oct 27, 2016 6:53:50 GMT -5
The plan is to make it part of a lvl6/8 heavies hanger. So according to the matchmaking wiki page the Fujin is going to be level 9 with level 10 weapons.
Here's the matchmaking range I'm shooting for:
76:L:12/12 : 725
77:M:5/12, 7/11, 9/10: 730
78:H:2/10, 4/9, 6/8: 735
I already have a 4/7 all medium hanger I'm happy with, so in creating a 6/8 hanger with mixed lights, mediums and heavies, this is me satisfying my stats geek side.
Instead of a 9/10 medium, I could go with a 7/11 medium. I'll have to see how it performs at level 7. I have some time to decide.
FWIW, here's my upgrade path:
- 6/4 H, 7/7 M, 8/10 L
- 6/5 H, 7/8 M, 10/10 L
- 6/6 H, 7/9 M, 10/11 L
- 6/7 H, 9/9 M, 10/12 L
- 6/8 H, 9/10 M, 12/12 L
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Post by tttt on Oct 27, 2016 7:39:56 GMT -5
Here is the hanger right now  And here is my 4/7 hanger  |
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Oct 27, 2016 8:43:44 GMT -5
Tulus imo
Has a large splash radius
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Post by miatahead on Oct 27, 2016 12:09:54 GMT -5
I really see no use for Fujian. IMHO, other bots would be better, including a few non-WSP bots.
That said, between the 2, I'd do molots over tulus, or mix em. The molots at very high level, can be a real PITA for some bots and a good counter to tridents. I don't have a fujian, but this is based on my experience messing with a molot/tulu/crv griff.
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 27, 2016 19:27:44 GMT -5
You really need to fix the weapons on that Leo. It is just too ineffective. Rather go for Pinatas Thunder or Magnum Thunder if you can afford the WSP.
And just go for 3x Tulumbas on the Fujin.
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Post by tttt on Oct 27, 2016 20:39:04 GMT -5
I'm saving for a lemonhead rhino (magnums/orkins) which would replace the Leo. When I get the 5th slot, the Leo will come back until I get for a Fury.
Right now I'm leveling up the Stalker to 8/10, which will give me the "balanced" 6/4 hanger, the first step to 6/8 in my upgrade plan.
I'm learning to like the Tulumbas, though.
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