IRON Mechhuntr. Amazon.
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Post by IRON Mechhuntr. Amazon. on Feb 6, 2017 17:14:28 GMT -5
TBH I love the new matchmaking, for one reason. Less Natasha campers in my matches! Finally I shall never have to walk past 3 Arty Natashas, all camping at spawn, in my Thunder Taran Boa again! That's a good point. There's a lot less of those muppets. Or at least, I see a lot less of them.
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 6, 2017 20:40:19 GMT -5
The idea that the people tanking games are screwing up the entire elo system may or may not be true. We have no way of knowing for certain how much havoc this is causing or how wise spread the activity is. What is a sure thing is that it will not stop voluntarily under the current system. The people doing it feel they are either forced into it and or rewarded for it. The new system will have to either make it so that behavior is no longer advantageous or find a way to detect,track,and punish it. People will always look for ways to get around a system or rule in a competitive sport or game. Whether it is finding away to take enhancing drugs without detection, letting the air out of a football, or hacking an online game. I'm not making excuses for these people but a game developer needs to know folks will try to find exploits and even ways to out right cheat. If the system is to work it needs to be changed to deal with this issue. The ones doing it are not going to stop just because some of us find it annoying or because the devs ask them to. This is one aspect of the new system that has to be revised. Pixonic needs to be the ones to make tanking no longer viable. Um what do you expect, cant break what was already broken, plain and simple new mm system only works for TT. Everything else is in shambles. Sealclubbing is better than ever before cept now a person can use tt bots to do it. Before you cast yes for this poll start a new account and see for yourself how fast before you get clubbed...old bronze you had to worry about 3/5 mag gepards now its much higher as well. When you see large botz run or be stomped. Its been what 2 weeks of this caca dodo and people are being told can take another mnth or 300games to settle down? Pix does realize people play for fun and enjoyment? Well unless your top tier or sucked really bad this mm is not for you. I refuse to play my tt till pix fixes this mm they think is a improvement. And for those in tt that dont think this affects you, then your thinking very short termed, cause the ripple effects this mm is going effect you sooner or later. Right now this might still be the best game in this genre. Guess what pix good games get copied and bad game developers get dumped like the trash they are. Do everyone a favor and sell back the game to the old owners.
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Post by blognio on Feb 6, 2017 20:43:48 GMT -5
I think this poll is very premature. The (new) base system we are playing is the frame work for a much better structure. The pain and ADHD of many of the haters is simply short term in the long scheme of things. In 6 months from now it will all be much different. A lot of people want to cling to the past... Many simply refuse to be pushed along the level up path. I have been enjoying the harder matches...I have not been enjoying the tantrum quitters/tankers that are making the new MM seem way more volatile then it actually is. Six months?!?!?!?
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 6, 2017 20:59:19 GMT -5
somehow i like the new MM, just think about the gepard cry babies.. im sure they are enjoying getting hammered by max hangar now
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Post by WorstAimEver on Feb 6, 2017 21:00:39 GMT -5
What's the difference between tanking games and running beacons with Ecu'd Cossacks?
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Post by WorstAimEver on Feb 6, 2017 21:09:41 GMT -5
somehow i like the new MM, just think about the gepard cry babies.. im sure they are enjoying getting hammered by max hangar now That's not the case anymore. MM has been figured out, and now they're all running in Rookie tier again.
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 6, 2017 21:11:53 GMT -5
"rookie"
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 6, 2017 21:15:12 GMT -5
I prefer the Old MM, the new one is giving me matches like this: How the ? does that happen? I've seen some ridiculous match charts, but that is easily one of the worst. The part I don't understand is that 6 of the bottom 8 got coins - indicating that they finished the match. It only looks like 2 blues and 4 reds even took part in fighting (although a third blue at least capped beacons). Is that some new kind of "tanking" where people start matches but don't try to win? Four players clearly never even landed a single salvo on target. And I don't even know how you score 55 points of damage... a single bullet from a level 1 punisher scores 71. Everything else does more. Yeah that's a typical score sheet that I've seen alot of lately and get ready to see more of it. Everytime new mm gets tweaked get ready for a few more weeks of adjustment too, which is why I voted for the old mm, it wasn't perfect either but was more fixable than this botched job of a mm is.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 6, 2017 21:27:11 GMT -5
My poor choice of wording. Was referring to weapon level. The level of the gepard itself was largely irrelevant, no? No. The level of the Gepard is what determined your tier. Weapon lvl was irrelevant, but 12 was max (obviously). I'd have to disagree a 1/5 gepard put up in bronze a 1/7 or 2/6 put you in high bronze low silver, a 3/7 put you in low but mainly mid silver, and a 4/12 put you in high silver with blending could go to low gold. Although no one but pix could tell you exactly how the tier system worked it was bots and weapons added together that determined your tier...with modifiers for med and large bots as well as modifiers for medium and large bots. For old silver it seemed 6 was the max bots you could put in. But by cranking up weapons past 9 could pop you in low gold. This is just what I know from past experience so I could be wrong but were guidelines our clan was using.
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Post by duckdecoy on Feb 6, 2017 21:29:40 GMT -5
How the ? does that happen? I've seen some ridiculous match charts, but that is easily one of the worst. The part I don't understand is that 6 of the bottom 8 got coins - indicating that they finished the match. It only looks like 2 blues and 4 reds even took part in fighting (although a third blue at least capped beacons). Is that some new kind of "tanking" where people start matches but don't try to win? Four players clearly never even landed a single salvo on target. And I don't even know how you score 55 points of damage... a single bullet from a level 1 punisher scores 71. Everything else does more. Yeah that's a typical score sheet that I've seen alot of lately and get ready to see more of it. Everytime new mm gets tweaked get ready for a few more weeks of adjustment too, which is why I voted for the old mm, it wasn't perfect either but was more fixable than this botched job of a mm is. It can happen when your big bad bot is squadded with level 2 to 9 players with only one or two 2/1 cossack/destrier bots while the reds have an even distribution with Pattons or better.
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Post by lilryry on Feb 6, 2017 21:36:12 GMT -5
I don't understand why item lvl can't be factored in along with win% and such...why does it have to be one or the other?
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 6, 2017 21:38:30 GMT -5
somehow i like the new MM, just think about the gepard cry babies.. im sure they are enjoying getting hammered by max hangar now I laugh at people like you. What's the matter you still having gepard nightmares? Go have a little cry you hypocritical baby. All your statement tells me is how clueless you are about the game and the new mm. Typical loser who had to hide in TT just so he didn't get spanked by better players? Can't wait for new league system so I can stomp on you. Best players in this game were silver guess what we all had TT hangers collecting dust cause of the bad game play in TT. When I read shallow and ignorant comments like yours, I just smile, cause only a hack crappie player could feel that way. Can't battle for yourself so your happy someone else can do it for you? Your a complete joke and so is your statement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 21:44:37 GMT -5
somehow i like the new MM, just think about the gepard cry babies.. im sure they are enjoying getting hammered by max hangar now Unfortunately, what I've found out is that those 'gepard cry babies' have a large amount of stockpiled gold in their hangar after months of clubbing. Saw a RUIN guy with an entire britbot hangar and a Fury. It's good that they still don't know how to play each bot yet.
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 6, 2017 21:57:14 GMT -5
somehow i like the new MM, just think about the gepard cry babies.. im sure they are enjoying getting hammered by max hangar now I laugh at people like you. What's the matter you still having gepard nightmares? Go have a little cry you hypocritical baby. All your statement tells me is how clueless you are about the game and the new mm. Typical loser who had to hide in TT just so he didn't get spanked by better players? Can't wait for new league system so I can stomp on you. Best players in this game were silver guess what we all had TT hangers collecting dust cause of the bad game play in TT. When I read shallow and ignorant comments like yours, I just smile, cause only a hack crappie player could feel that way. Can't battle for yourself so your happy someone else can do it for you? Your a complete joke and so is your statement. this is a forum i cannot argue with your opinion
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 6, 2017 22:00:21 GMT -5
somehow i like the new MM, just think about the gepard cry babies.. im sure they are enjoying getting hammered by max hangar now Unfortunately, what I've found out is that those 'gepard cry babies' have a large amount of stockpiled gold in their hangar after months of clubbing. Saw a RUIN guy with an entire britbot hangar and a Fury. It's good that they still don't know how to play each bot yet. hmm.. i mean those who complain about being clubbed by the gepards. those who club yeah they have tons of golds now
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 6, 2017 22:42:51 GMT -5
somehow i like the new MM, just think about the gepard cry babies.. im sure they are enjoying getting hammered by max hangar now I laugh at people like you. What's the matter you still having gepard nightmares? Go have a little cry you hypocritical baby. All your statement tells me is how clueless you are about the game and the new mm. Typical loser who had to hide in TT just so he didn't get spanked by better players? Can't wait for new league system so I can stomp on you. Best players in this game were silver guess what we all had TT hangers collecting dust cause of the bad game play in TT. When I read shallow and ignorant comments like yours, I just smile, cause only a hack crappie player could feel that way. Can't battle for yourself so your happy someone else can do it for you? Your a complete joke and so is your statement. sorry i have to quote again, im not sure if you understand who i called cry babies.. those who complain about the gepards playing in lower-mid tier and crying to PX to fix it. and NO i dont have gepard nightmare , i also run 4 gepards so i think you miss understood all good here this is a forum
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 6, 2017 22:50:04 GMT -5
No. The level of the Gepard is what determined your tier. Weapon lvl was irrelevant, but 12 was max (obviously). I'd have to disagree a 1/5 gepard put up in bronze a 1/7 or 2/6 put you in high bronze low silver, a 3/7 put you in low but mainly mid silver, and a 4/12 put you in high silver with blending could go to low gold. Although no one but pix could tell you exactly how the tier system worked it was bots and weapons added together that determined your tier...with modifiers for med and large bots as well as modifiers for medium and large bots. For old silver it seemed 6 was the max bots you could put in. But by cranking up weapons past 9 could pop you in low gold. This is just what I know from past experience so I could be wrong but were guidelines our clan was using. Nah. I did some testing, not exhaustive but some. Level 3 with 6/6/8 weapons was the best I was able to get into low Bronze. Level 3 with 10/10/8 weapons was the best I could get into high Bronze. 4/12 was right at the top of low Silver, and was very popular with the vast numbers of Silver tier clans.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 6, 2017 22:54:44 GMT -5
Who you calling a frigging cry baby! I prefer mamas boy.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 6, 2017 22:59:58 GMT -5
I'd have to disagree a 1/5 gepard put up in bronze a 1/7 or 2/6 put you in high bronze low silver, a 3/7 put you in low but mainly mid silver, and a 4/12 put you in high silver with blending could go to low gold. Although no one but pix could tell you exactly how the tier system worked it was bots and weapons added together that determined your tier...with modifiers for med and large bots as well as modifiers for medium and large bots. For old silver it seemed 6 was the max bots you could put in. But by cranking up weapons past 9 could pop you in low gold. This is just what I know from past experience so I could be wrong but were guidelines our clan was using. Nah. I did some testing, not exhaustive but some. Level 3 with 6/6/8 weapons was the best I was able to get into low Bronze. Level 3 with 10/10/8 weapons was the best I could get into high Bronze. 4/12 was right at the top of low Silver, and was very popular with the vast numbers of Silver tier clans. I ran 3/9 gepards and I fought lvl 6 griffons Leos Fury etc and had yamatau map those 2 things say silver
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Post by WorstAimEver on Feb 6, 2017 23:00:10 GMT -5
FWIW my hangar consists of various 8/9 to 8/10 mediums and heavies, and one 8/7 Cossack/Molot Mk2. Not tanking any games whatsoever and playing completely serious, below is a screen shot of what the best player on the opposite team looked like in my last game. IMHO the only ones who like the new MM system are the old clubbers, or those who aren't quite up to speed about how to exploit the new MM. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 6, 2017 23:34:23 GMT -5
Nah. I did some testing, not exhaustive but some. Level 3 with 6/6/8 weapons was the best I was able to get into low Bronze. Level 3 with 10/10/8 weapons was the best I could get into high Bronze. 4/12 was right at the top of low Silver, and was very popular with the vast numbers of Silver tier clans. I ran 3/9 gepards and I fought lvl 6 griffons Leos Fury etc and had yamatau map those 2 things say silver Yamantau means Silver hadn't been true for a long time, something like 8 months iirc. There was a big MM adjustment around then, meant to reduce clubbing. Heh. The boundaries of the tiers were changed a bit, and the newly adjusted high Bronze started seeing Yamantau. At that point if you stayed low enough to never see Yamantau you were in low Bronze. That was the sweet spot for the infamous 4/6 Thunder Schutze.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Feb 7, 2017 0:11:34 GMT -5
I like the new MM mostly. I like the challenge, not worrying about MM penalty bots in my hangar, and the end of tier camping. I don't like being one shoted in a medium or heavy bot and I don't like being accussed of tanking for liking light bots. Over all, I prefer the new MM, but I hope the league system will bring it some stability and transparency.
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Feb 7, 2017 1:10:06 GMT -5
It's really boring to be basically stuck to the same or similar set of hanger all the time with the new MM.
In old MM, I can play a hanger of schutz or a hanger of quad pattons or my current 'higher tier' bots and get more or less equal oppolents in terms of bot/weapon lvl.
Meaning I have a choice back then.
Pros and cons apart, old MM is more...should I say captivating.
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 7, 2017 23:05:44 GMT -5
Think this poll says it all.
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Post by bjork on Feb 8, 2017 0:15:44 GMT -5
Actually it hasnt effected me cept that my win rate has gone down from 90% to 50% so id have to say old one cause of that
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Post by pilotrichkid on Feb 8, 2017 5:34:06 GMT -5
i liked the old one better... all tall need to do is modify the teirs just a little bit. make it to where you have to have certain level equipment to be on this teir
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Post by ⇋MΞTΛL✠MILITIΛ⇌ on Feb 8, 2017 13:32:04 GMT -5
Old. The new MM is giving me very close to the same experience I had while using my Gold hangar under the old MM. Though I must admit, the win rate see saw under the new MM is better. In both cases, when my win rate was too high I got brutally crushed in no hope matches, maxed opponents and weak clueless teammates. (I had Cossacks on my team more than once today, next to my 8/10 hangar. Never saw a *red* Cossack.) But with the new MM, when it lets me win I at least get to contribute rather than be carried. But in any case the old MM had the great advantage that it allowed a much wider range of game play experience. (I could use a Silver or Bronze hangar without having to tank....) Each MM is subject to abuse. I would have to agree with the above mentioned. And as you can clearly see in my screen shot above. The gepard of todays game is any high level bot you have. In this case a Leo L9 Ecc9 mag12x3. The opposing side put up a valient effort for what they had to work with. But this is what many players out there are facing in battles. Im not the only one doing it. In time it will get worse as others figure it out. So my vote is for the old system. The old system put bots and hangers in classes of their kind. Leaving the variable up to a pilot and teams skill. This in my opinion is the way it should be. Its cool and a nice change of pace, to be able to fight in low teir where you would find like wise setups to you own. Because high level high teir fights is all their is. So if you get burned out theres no where else to go, but look for a new game to play. I think its a mistake to take this option away from players. As for seal clubbing in the old system, give gepards a MM penalty. Put them in the same regards a stalker. I cant see changing the entire system, if you were having issues, with 1 bad seed Also if you want to put a end to seal clubbing or what we want to call it. Its all coming from 1 issue and soley 1 issue. Its not aboyt easy battles or beating up on noobs. It all about the Au. Only the winning side gets it. And as its appearently obvious, players will do dispicable acts to get it. This would be no more, if both sides got Au. Only the losing side gets 1 au for notible contribution to its team. 1 max dmg, 1 beacons, 0 squad bonus. This is very little but i truly believe it would stop all who try to game the system. Ill be honest a little is better then nothing. I try not to settle for nothing. It gets you nowhere real quick.
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Post by ⇋MΞTΛL✠MILITIΛ⇌ on Feb 8, 2017 13:46:10 GMT -5
Reading this thread it is obvious that people with both opinions have valid points. Also not everyone who prefers the old system was a "clubber" and everyone who prefers the new system is not an elitist Pixonic fan boy. Like prefering Coke or Pepsi it is a matter of personal taste and silly to insult someone about. Let's face it the old system is not coming back. Pixonic has spent far too much time and money on deloping the new system and the league system which will be built upon it. If this thread has any value it is to identify what people do not like about the new system and trying to call Pixonic's attention toward addressing those issues. So far it seems that these include: 1) The difficulty in squading with clan mates of varying levels. 2) Being placed into situations where hanger strength is vastly unequal (mostly an issue with people in bots in low and mid level) 3) That the above issue has led to people"tanking" games and leaving squads out numbered. There by lowering the tanking players elo rating. 4) The failure of the system to adjust for changes in your hanger if you want to play at a lower level for non clubbing reasons. The old silver and bronze tiers are faster paced with more light and medium machines. Some people enjoy that style. For all who enjoy the new system and find it more challenging I am fairly certain it's not going anywhere. I think we mostly agree though that one month in the system still has some areas that should be improved. I hope the new update and the league system will address the problems. If not then as the "officially recognized game forum" we should try to convey the concerns to the developers. Good read and i absolutely agree.
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Post by gothopie on Feb 8, 2017 14:01:56 GMT -5
Both? I liked how much easier it was to get gold in the old system for me, I think my win rate was usually in the 70s or so, and when my team won, I'd almost always get 5 - 10 gold. With the new system, I honestly do enjoy that it's more challenging more often... but I'm not sure I've gotten 10 gold since the change, maybe once or twice?, even 5 is pretty rare now.
I may try focusing my hanger more exclusively on beacons or damage to help with that. I run a pretty diverse lineup so I can be useful in more battles, more often, but that isn't what gets ya paid at this point.
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Post by YodaXIII on Feb 8, 2017 15:47:38 GMT -5
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