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Feb 2, 2017 17:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by miscanthus on Feb 2, 2017 17:48:56 GMT -5
How do you feel about Tridents?
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Post by Cyklown on Feb 2, 2017 18:38:48 GMT -5
Tridents aren't the issue, Furies are. Up their weapon blowoff to the 1/3 health point and they'd be fine.
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Post by boomsplat on Feb 2, 2017 18:51:49 GMT -5
Nope - everything is fine. I think the number of complaints should be nerfed by the user community...just because it kills you doesn't mean you should take away other people's toys. Figure out your counters like an ancillot or other and go with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 19:03:55 GMT -5
Overpowered when level 10-12 ones are showing up in mid-level games. Probably fine once everything is maxed and bots can take more of a beating.
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Post by boomsplat on Feb 2, 2017 19:19:44 GMT -5
How do you feel about Tridents? I hate when they hit me but I love hitting others with them....a real love-hate relationship I guess.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 2, 2017 19:27:22 GMT -5
Not gonna even vote. Once MM is done fluctuating, then we can take a look at what needs buffing or Nerfing... But even then... I mean, just stop. Tridents are tough. Aphids were tough. Ffs... What's next? Orkans? Tarans? Thunders?
I hate the mid range heavy games... But I will not take my tridents off of my 1st carny. The 2nd one will run either thunders or Zeus... But my main one is a trident bot.
No more nerf.
The ONLY thing I've ever wanted to see different is either longer reload time or smaller splash... But now? Idk... I feel like the constant capitulation to whining and tears is worse than the MM debacle.
Leave EVERYTHING where it is for now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 19:51:11 GMT -5
Overpowered. It is only nerfed by the Ancile Lancelot and maybe Ancile Leo. Ancile Lancelot is a 6500 gold investment.
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Post by zman on Feb 2, 2017 19:59:53 GMT -5
Overpowered. It is only nerfed by the Ancile Lancelot and maybe Ancile Leo. Ancile Lancelot is a 6500 gold investment. Mine has a pair of Orkans, so 8900Au! Really, Tridents are fine, but having the longest rage out of mid ranges is tough. Add another 650-800 range mid to long range weapon would do the trick. Or let Zues lock on much faster.
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 2, 2017 20:15:15 GMT -5
They're fine the way they are. I have trident furies that kill and I get killed by them as well when I'm careless. If you go Strolling into CB thinking you're in god mode you will get destroyed. Learn to dodge, hide, time shots, use the landscape, etc. instead of calling for a nerf.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 20:30:00 GMT -5
They're fine the way they are. I have trident furies that kill and I get killed by them as well when I'm careless. If you go Strolling into CB thinking you're in god mode you will get destroyed. Learn to dodge, hide, time shots, use the landscape, etc. instead of calling for a nerf. A trident Fury in Canyon, Springfield, Yamateau, Shenzen and sometime Powerplant can go the whole game with good damage without getting a scratch. Same for Russian Griffins and Trident Carnage Tridents should not be the ones only nerfed, Pins and Tulumbas should get a nerf too. I want a nerf to midrange splash in which it explodes when it hits something or at max range.
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Post by bearre on Feb 2, 2017 20:48:07 GMT -5
They're fine the way they are. I have trident furies that kill and I get killed by them as well when I'm careless. If you go Strolling into CB thinking you're in god mode you will get destroyed. Learn to dodge, hide, time shots, use the landscape, etc. instead of calling for a nerf. A trident Fury in Canyon, Springfield, Yamateau, Shenzen and sometime Powerplant can go the whole game with good damage without getting a scratch. Same for Russian Griffins and Trident Carnage Tridents should not be the ones only nerfed, Pins and Tulumbas should get a nerf too. I want a nerf to midrange splash in which it explodes when it hits something or at max range. Again...pins and tulumbas are easily dodged with lateral movement and rdb griffins are pretty easy to time and shoot. There is also the ancile...counters to these all exist but why get them or learn them when you can just scream "Nerf it, It hurt me!"
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 2, 2017 20:53:07 GMT -5
They're fine the way they are. I have trident furies that kill and I get killed by them as well when I'm careless. If you go Strolling into CB thinking you're in god mode you will get destroyed. Learn to dodge, hide, time shots, use the landscape, etc. instead of calling for a nerf. A trident Fury in Canyon, Springfield, Yamateau, Shenzen and sometime Powerplant can go the whole game with good damage without getting a scratch. Same for Russian Griffins and Trident Carnage Tridents should not be the ones only nerfed, Pins and Tulumbas should get a nerf too. I want a nerf to midrange splash in which it explodes when it hits something or at max range. A TT Fury is not a camping bot. If you're lasting in one throughout the entire match then you're not doing much besides hiding. Same with an RDB Griffin--heck you can say the same of any bot. I run both in my usual hangar (since MM change, ahem, my ONLY, hangar).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 20:58:07 GMT -5
A trident Fury in Canyon, Springfield, Yamateau, Shenzen and sometime Powerplant can go the whole game with good damage without getting a scratch. Same for Russian Griffins and Trident Carnage Tridents should not be the ones only nerfed, Pins and Tulumbas should get a nerf too. I want a nerf to midrange splash in which it explodes when it hits something or at max range. Again...pins and tulumbas are easily dodged with lateral movement and rdb griffins are pretty easy to time and shoot. There is also the ancile...counters to these all exist but why get them or learn them when you can just scream "Nerf it, It hurt me!" Exactly the point why I am getting an Ancile Lancelot. And that is only one thing that 'nerfs' it. Ace's video proved that Anciles were getting double damage. Anciles cannot be mounted on all hardpoints, while Tridents, Pins, and Tulumbas can.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 20:59:30 GMT -5
A trident Fury in Canyon, Springfield, Yamateau, Shenzen and sometime Powerplant can go the whole game with good damage without getting a scratch. Same for Russian Griffins and Trident Carnage Tridents should not be the ones only nerfed, Pins and Tulumbas should get a nerf too. I want a nerf to midrange splash in which it explodes when it hits something or at max range. A TT Fury is not a camping bot. If you're lasting in one throughout the entire match then you're not doing much besides hiding. Same with an RDB Griffin--heck you can say the same of any bot. I run both in my usual hangar (since MM change, ahem, my ONLY, hangar). If I trident Fury is not a camping bot, then what the hell is it. It does the same thing as a KWK Norricum beginner does: stand there and move to get an angle.
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Post by bearre on Feb 2, 2017 21:17:11 GMT -5
Sigh....tridents have a 600 meter range and are considered mid range support. The camping bots are usually using trebs, whatever they are calling kwks now, or a weapon with a far longer range.
As mentoned earlier use cover, time the shots, all of the weapons you dislike have long reload times,people have been fighting these things effectivly for some time. None of these mentioned weapons are over powering, all of the have been faced and beaten.
In short "The dev's got 99 problems but a nerf ain't one."
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 2, 2017 21:22:39 GMT -5
A TT Fury is not a camping bot. If you're lasting in one throughout the entire match then you're not doing much besides hiding. Same with an RDB Griffin--heck you can say the same of any bot. I run both in my usual hangar (since MM change, ahem, my ONLY, hangar). If I trident Fury is not a camping bot, then what the hell is it. It does the same thing as a KWK Norricum beginner does: stand there and move to get an angle. What the hell is it? It is a destroyer of Galahads, Rhinos, and Lancelots. Campers provide light shows.
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Post by noobcake on Feb 2, 2017 21:25:27 GMT -5
A TT Fury is not a camping bot. If you're lasting in one throughout the entire match then you're not doing much besides hiding. Same with an RDB Griffin--heck you can say the same of any bot. I run both in my usual hangar (since MM change, ahem, my ONLY, hangar). If I trident Fury is not a camping bot, then what the hell is it. It does the same thing as a KWK Norricum beginner does: stand there and move to get an angle. I think Blythe means that camping is not always the most effective use of a fury if the objective is to win. Remember, doing damage, destroying bots, and surviving the whole match are a good start but not the primary objective of the game. One of the most essential, and difficult, skills for a fury pilot is to know when to eject. Blasting away from 600m while your team is down on beacons and your knife fighters are getting overwhelmed is a good way to get top damage...and still lose. So no, the fury is not a camping bot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 21:30:09 GMT -5
If I trident Fury is not a camping bot, then what the hell is it. It does the same thing as a KWK Norricum beginner does: stand there and move to get an angle. What the hell is it? It is a destroyer of Galahads, Rhinos, and Lancelots. Campers provide light shows. It does that while camping..
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Post by karljackson on Feb 2, 2017 21:47:50 GMT -5
Not a fan of Trident Furys. I have one and never use it any more. It's hard to keep your average damage up using one consistently.
When the reds use them in force, it's severely irritating. It limits everyone from earning higher damage, and consequently, more silver for upgrading. Then again, maybe that was the intended purpose.
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Post by odin63 on Feb 3, 2017 0:27:57 GMT -5
Not gonna even vote. Once MM is done fluctuating, then we can take a look at what needs buffing or Nerfing... But even then... I mean, just stop. Tridents are tough. Aphids were tough. Ffs... What's next? Orkans? Tarans? Thunders? I hate the mid range heavy games... But I will not take my tridents off of my 1st carny. The 2nd one will run either thunders or Zeus... But my main one is a trident bot. No more nerf. The ONLY thing I've ever wanted to see different is either longer reload time or smaller splash... But now? Idk... I feel like the constant capitulation to whining and tears is worse than the MM debacle. Leave EVERYTHING where it is for now. I'd have to agree to a nerf for splash damage. I'm getting killed off in one volley even when the shots aren't close. I'd like to see more skill required to get kills and it's pretty low risk play on the more open maps. People complain about the aphids, but at least you have to close to 350m to use them. Light and medium bots won't make it through the reds to get close enough to engage most trident users.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Feb 3, 2017 1:05:35 GMT -5
Its OP, but we shouldnt nerf it, we should buff the counter measures.
For example, a Zeus can be completely negated by a Ecu (which is a silver item) seems fair enough as the Ecu is dispensable. The Trident however needs a Ancile (which is a gold item) to counter it, a WSP weapon needs a gold item to counter it, not very fair, even though the Ancile can regenerate, the regeneration wont help if you're dead, I'd rather have a one use shield that can withstand a lot of damage than a weak shield that can rebuild itself, YOLO for one bot
Tridents are also extremely powerful and they also have splash, a Fury Trident can kill any target at 600m, and it doesnt make a difference if the opponent tries to kill the Fury user, the Fury is quick enough is keep some distance between him, and Fury Tridents can kill most targets in 3-4 salvos if they dont have an Ancile shield. My clanmates are using Ancilots but they themselves say the Thunder works better, and its true, you are basically running around with a low bot with only 2 medium weapons. Like Phoenix said, the Fury Trident is just a device for those players that don't have the skills to be competitive in knifing or want to use the META, a Trident is probably the easiest weapon to aim in the game IMO, its splash range is so large that even if you miss fire you still might hit the target dealing full damage. The game is turning into a game where if you have more Fury Tridents you win, even with the beacons, you still will mech the enemy team out with that OP device, the Fury needs its old speed back, even if its 5k gold, its advantage over the Natasha and the Raijin is its ability to have 3 heavy weapons, far out gunning any other heavy bot
Phoenix and Ace Thunder are the only 2 YouTubers that are brave enough to say the truth about mid range, I support them all the way for that
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 3, 2017 1:27:17 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. So you grind to get the best weapons and bots and when you do, these people (many of whom have never used one) will whine about how OP something is: the Lancelot is unkillable; trident splash too big; Leo too much HP; Stalker's stealth unfair; aphids make my Lancelots useless; skins give me migraines, etc. Unfair! Nerf!
Sorry but getting slaughtered is part of playing a game. You think we had some sort of super powers protecting us from tridents? Nope, we did it the old fashioned way: we adapted and played smarter. The problem here is everyone expects to win all the time.
I think there are more complaints about trident furies now because many of you are getting thrown into high tier--whereas we've always had to deal with this.
Anecdotes from Phoenix are baseless since there are many TT players who keep a balanced hangar (Adrian Chong included) and saying that they are talent-less is without merit.
EDIT: Let's all just pilot Lvl 1 Destriers with Lvl 4 punishers. That way there's absolutely nothing to scream foul about.
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Post by SuperHero on Feb 3, 2017 1:42:22 GMT -5
Firstly, the Trident splash IS smaller now.
Secondly, you don't really GRIND for Tridents. You just click...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 1:51:00 GMT -5
Firstly, the Trident splash IS smaller now. Secondly, you don't really GRIND for Tridents. You just click... Thank you for making me laugh out loud and spill my beer.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 3, 2017 2:19:35 GMT -5
Tridents are just fine imo...the sick mm and having L12 tridents on furies against your 4/7 hangar - that is wrong.
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Post by ipwng0dz on Feb 3, 2017 2:45:08 GMT -5
I usually use light bots so I'm usually the victim of these things. I really really really don't like them.
Tbh they do their job though. They keep my head on a swivel while I *try* to take beacons.
Should they be nerfed? Absolutely not. But would I be upset if they were? Absolutely not.
Keep the game diverse.
Just because you're losing doesn't mean you take your ball and go home.
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 3, 2017 3:06:34 GMT -5
Firstly, the Trident splash IS smaller now. Secondly, you don't really GRIND for Tridents. You just click... Sorry but '...you click to get the best weapons and bot...' just doesn't convey great effort and toil. That's why I went with 'grind.' Geez, everyone's a critic these days...
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Post by hedgehog on Feb 3, 2017 3:13:35 GMT -5
Noone can disagree that trident fury is one of the most dangerous bot on some maps like canyon and yamantau. But almost useless on powerplant and dead city. But! There is plenty counters - zeus carnage, treb fury, Kwk (nashorn) fury, even ancilot ffs. So many times my fury got wrecked within minute by those bots! And when we are going with clan squad, at least couple guys have anti-fury setup, and I'm trying to focus enemy fury at first while on my own. It's a part of a strategy and teamplay. So you guys wanna run all 5 brawlers and win every time doing more than million damage in every match? Sorry about that Yes, it's take time to buy and upgrade some special counter, and it takes one of the precious 5 slots, but that's what we have now, either like we or not - git gud and adapt or get wrecked.
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Post by truechill on Feb 3, 2017 3:30:32 GMT -5
I really don't know. I have only encountered Trident Furries that were much higher level than my bots.
I will share this video that the legendary Adrian made that demonstrates some ways to deal with Trident Furries. Might be helpful to people who are having a hard time fighting against Furries.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 3:33:21 GMT -5
I say leave them alone, and this coming from someone that doesn't use them.
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