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Post by Estoplast on Jan 19, 2018 11:13:10 GMT -5
What’s new:
— New medium weapon Vortex (lvl 8): 19500 damage, range: 350m, reload time: 10 sec
— New light weapon Arbalest (lvl 8): 400 damage/charge, range: 1100m, max number of charges: 10, reload time: 2-12sec
Changes since last test: damage decreased, reload time increased
— New heavy weapon Dragoon (lvl 8): 4800 damage, range: 600m, ammo: 6 ? 4
Changes since last test: range increased, ammo decreased
Test server will be open on January 20-21th from 7 to 10 PM in the following timezones: GMT/UTC (Universal Time Coordinated), EST (Eastern Standard Time), PT (Pacific Time)
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Post by darkknight on Jan 19, 2018 11:25:30 GMT -5
Ammo decreased but increased its range by 600m. Shocktrains wouldn’t be op once dragoon would be released.
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Post by seanh on Jan 19, 2018 11:28:08 GMT -5
Ammo decreased but increased its range by 600m. Shocktrains wouldn’t be op once dragoon would be released. And tridents will never be seen or heard from again, |
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 19, 2018 11:37:52 GMT -5
Zeus will become obsolete too I think.
What would be a good complimentary medium weapon for the Dragoon? For light slots, I'm thinking Gekkos and maybe Arbalest. But what if I wanted to throw a single Dragoon on a Lancelot?
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Post by NerFB on Jan 19, 2018 12:03:19 GMT -5
Ammo decreased but increased its range by 600m. Shocktrains wouldn’t be op once dragoon would be released. Hands up who asked for more Range? Anyone? Hello? Which fracking moron said “ohhh, 550 meters is a bit close really, it needs to completely annihilate everything up to 600 , to be fair....” 6 - 4 ammo reduction is interesting.... |
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Post by Estoplast on Jan 19, 2018 12:15:40 GMT -5
Zeus will become obsolete too I think. What would be a good complimentary medium weapon for the Dragoon? For light slots, I'm thinking Gekkos and maybe Arbalest. But what if I wanted to throw a single Dragoon on a Lancelot? Depends on the damage. Zeus does quite a lot at once. Dragoon needs(i hope) to pound multiple times for that damage. I try to compare them when server goes live. |
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Post by mobiuswr on Jan 19, 2018 12:21:00 GMT -5
Ammo decreased but increased its range by 600m. Shocktrains wouldn’t be op once dragoon would be released. Hands up who asked for more Range? Anyone? Hello? Which fracking moron said “ohhh, 550 meters is a bit close really, it needs to completely annihilate everything up to 600 , to be fair....” 6 - 4 ammo reduction is interesting.... I did. I told them to make it 600 or 500. 550 doesn't pair with any other weapon. |
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Post by Domino on Jan 19, 2018 16:13:39 GMT -5
Zeus will become obsolete too I think. What would be a good complimentary medium weapon for the Dragoon? For light slots, I'm thinking Gekkos and maybe Arbalest. But what if I wanted to throw a single Dragoon on a Lancelot? Depends on the damage. Zeus does quite a lot at once. Dragoon needs(i hope) to pound multiple times for that damage. I try to compare them when server goes live. Dragoon: 4800 x 4 ammo = 19,200 at lvl 8 Zeus: 11261 at lvl 8 |
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Post by Domino on Jan 19, 2018 16:20:19 GMT -5
Depends on the damage. Zeus does quite a lot at once. Dragoon needs(i hope) to pound multiple times for that damage. I try to compare them when server goes live. Dragoon: 4800 x 4 ammo = 19,200 at lvl 8 Zeus: 11261 at lvl 8 lvl 12 Drag = 28110 On a fury x 3 = 84,332 per 12 shots |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 16:49:42 GMT -5
Depends on the damage. Zeus does quite a lot at once. Dragoon needs(i hope) to pound multiple times for that damage. I try to compare them when server goes live. Dragoon: 4800 x 4 ammo = 19,200 at lvl 8 Zeus: 11261 at lvl 8 We should see the reload time. If I remember correctly, this weapon takes much more than 5 seconds to fully recharge. |
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Post by Domino on Jan 19, 2018 16:52:09 GMT -5
Dragoon: 4800 x 4 ammo = 19,200 at lvl 8 Zeus: 11261 at lvl 8 We should see the reload time. If I remember correctly, this weapon takes much more than 5 seconds to fully recharge. yes but it also recharged on the fly IIRC. |
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Post by Sub Z on Jan 19, 2018 23:01:33 GMT -5
Depends on the damage. Zeus does quite a lot at once. Dragoon needs(i hope) to pound multiple times for that damage. I try to compare them when server goes live. Dragoon: 4800 x 4 ammo = 19,200 at lvl 8 Zeus: 11261 at lvl 8 Quad Mk2/12 Tulumbas yields 111K damage in 1 salvo from a the upcoming Specter. The Dragoon is obsolete in arrival. Everyone playing more than a year and half 4 leveled Tulumbas (I have 7 of them). Only the Raijin, Tasha, Fury, and perhaps the Carnage in lower leagues can use the Dragoon effectively. I just can't see getting 3 of these Dragoons when I only need 1 Specter (just to bot level 9 for Tulu use) to completely own all mid-range heavies (zero chance you'll get a Dragoon to hit a Tulu Specter at Champion level skills) in just 20-25 seconds. The Dragoon is a non-starter when everyone knows the Specter is coming. Save your resources and skip the Dragoon, just like every seasoned pilot skipped the Redeemer. |
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Post by NerFB on Jan 20, 2018 7:51:59 GMT -5
Hands up who asked for more Range? Anyone? Hello? Which fracking moron said “ohhh, 550 meters is a bit close really, it needs to completely annihilate everything up to 600 , to be fair....” 6 - 4 ammo reduction is interesting.... I did. I told them to make it 600 or 500. 550 doesn't pair with any other weapon.  |
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Post by Domino on Jan 20, 2018 15:14:44 GMT -5
Dragoon: 4800 x 4 ammo = 19,200 at lvl 8 Zeus: 11261 at lvl 8 Quad Mk2/12 Tulumbas yields 111K damage in 1 salvo from a the upcoming Specter. The Dragoon is obsolete in arrival. Everyone playing more than a year and half 4 leveled Tulumbas (I have 7 of them). Only the Raijin, Tasha, Fury, and perhaps the Carnage in lower leagues can use the Dragoon effectively. I just can't see getting 3 of these Dragoons when I only need 1 Specter (just to bot level 9 for Tulu use) to completely own all mid-range heavies (zero chance you'll get a Dragoon to hit a Tulu Specter at Champion level skills) in just 20-25 seconds. The Dragoon is a non-starter when everyone knows the Specter is coming. Save your resources and skip the Dragoon, just like every seasoned pilot skipped the Redeemer. Mk2 the Dragoon and compare. Just did 850k DMG with LVL 8 ones without even trying |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 20, 2018 16:11:31 GMT -5
Zeus will become obsolete too I think. What would be a good complimentary medium weapon for the Dragoon? For light slots, I'm thinking Gekkos and maybe Arbalest. But what if I wanted to throw a single Dragoon on a Lancelot? I'm trying to tackle this myself. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jan 20, 2018 16:15:30 GMT -5
Dragoon is still OP. And tyey neglected to mention triple random mode -- you might get Dom, BR or TDM. Absolutely awful.
Dragoon might be good with molots if you don't have a Tempest.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 20, 2018 16:19:58 GMT -5
Ammo decreased but increased its range by 600m. Shocktrains wouldn’t be op once dragoon would be released. And tridents will never be seen or heard from again, Tridents have their own niche, zeus on the other hand will have to share its position with dragoon. |
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jan 20, 2018 17:03:58 GMT -5
And tridents will never be seen or heard from again, Tridents have their own niche, zeus on the other hand will have to share its position with dragoon. And its all relative to the final cost of the Dragoon. Its its a $400 to $500 weapon it will take a while for people other then whales to have them out in the meta. |
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Post by U Camp = I Camp on Jan 20, 2018 20:35:16 GMT -5
Ammo decreased but increased its range by 600m. Shocktrains wouldn’t be op once dragoon would be released. And tridents will never be seen or heard from again, Damn, and I'm still hoping for a Trident re-balance...sigh. |
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Post by cheap on Jan 21, 2018 2:03:46 GMT -5
light weapons need some luv. to many damn med. weapons coming out
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Post by Estoplast on Jan 21, 2018 3:45:12 GMT -5
light weapons need some luv. to many damn med. weapons coming out They got some luv. Nerfed the Arbalest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 4:10:34 GMT -5
Dragoon is still OP. And tyey neglected to mention triple random mode -- you might get Dom, BR or TDM. Absolutely awful. Dragoon might be good with molots if you don't have a Tempest. I hope that TDM will be removed. In Champion League, on iOS, I can't even play it if I try (I have waited for 4-5 minutes sometimes) while it takes 20-30 s for a match in Random mode. It is clear that no one is interested in TDM. |
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Post by Sub Z on Jan 21, 2018 4:13:03 GMT -5
Quad Mk2/12 Tulumbas yields 111K damage in 1 salvo from a the upcoming Specter. The Dragoon is obsolete in arrival. Everyone playing more than a year and half 4 leveled Tulumbas (I have 7 of them). Only the Raijin, Tasha, Fury, and perhaps the Carnage in lower leagues can use the Dragoon effectively. I just can't see getting 3 of these Dragoons when I only need 1 Specter (just to bot level 9 for Tulu use) to completely own all mid-range heavies (zero chance you'll get a Dragoon to hit a Tulu Specter at Champion level skills) in just 20-25 seconds. The Dragoon is a non-starter when everyone knows the Specter is coming. Save your resources and skip the Dragoon, just like every seasoned pilot skipped the Redeemer. Mk2 the Dragoon and compare. Just did 850k DMG with LVL 8 ones without even trying The weapons deals good damage for sure. It's just that you'll get owned by Specter in all configurations that take advantage of the Dragoon. I hate to say this, but did you try Quad Hydras? Forget Quad Tulus (which the 100m weapon difference is not an issue), but have you seen how easy it is to kill a Fury or Tasha with quad Hydras? That's 2 weapon setups that a Specter can use to completely dominate a Fury/Tasha Dragoon setup. I won't even mention the Molot Specter --- but you must get by now where this is going. The Dragoon is DOA and won't be a viable weapon once Specter arrives. With what you know is coming, how does the Dragoon make sense? |
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Post by arakos on Jan 21, 2018 5:40:01 GMT -5
Most Spectres will be fitted with Shocktrains
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Post by Domino on Jan 21, 2018 11:11:52 GMT -5
Mk2 the Dragoon and compare. Just did 850k DMG with LVL 8 ones without even trying The weapons deals good damage for sure. It's just that you'll get owned by Specter in all configurations that take advantage of the Dragoon. I hate to say this, but did you try Quad Hydras? Forget Quad Tulus (which the 100m weapon difference is not an issue), but have you seen how easy it is to kill a Fury or Tasha with quad Hydras? That's 2 weapon setups that a Specter can use to completely dominate a Fury/Tasha Dragoon setup. I won't even mention the Molot Specter --- but you must get by now where this is going. The Dragoon is DOA and won't be a viable weapon once Specter arrives. With what you know is coming, how does the Dragoon make sense? I agree with all your points. But to compare anything to the Spectre is a futile task. So outside of that, it's OP against the main stream. |
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Post by seanh on Jan 21, 2018 13:06:46 GMT -5
The question is how will a Shocktrain Bulgasari fair off against a Shocktrain specter?
I don’t know the answer, but the answer will determine a lot of what happens on the field when this yoke goes live. At first I thought 4 Shocktrains on a fast jumpy bot that can go invisible would be near unstoppable. But to be honest I’m not 100 anymore. It has 33% more firepower, which is very significant, but has low HP and a Bulgasari shield will take a lot of punishment. It will be interesting.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 22, 2018 8:02:27 GMT -5
The question is how will a Shocktrain Bulgasari fair off against a Shocktrain specter? I don’t know the answer, but the answer will determine a lot of what happens on the field when this yoke goes live. At first I thought 4 Shocktrains on a fast jumpy bot that can go invisible would be near unstoppable. But to be honest I’m not 100 anymore. It has 33% more firepower, which is very significant, but has low HP and a Bulgasari shield will take a lot of punishment. It will be interesting. I think it would come down to skill and luck and use of cover. A ST Bulg can turn to the side and present it's shield, but will most likely lose weapon lock. A Spectre can use Desend, get some height and stealth. A Bulg can dash in and out of cover and can also corner shoot the ST's with less than half it's torso exposed. 3 level 8 STs will kill a Spectre in 3 shots. 4 level 8 STs will need at least 4 shots to kill a Bulg. I haven't done all the math, but I'd put my money on the ST Bulg. |
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Post by endyu on Jan 22, 2018 19:05:54 GMT -5
The question is how will a Shocktrain Bulgasari fair off against a Shocktrain specter? I don’t know the answer, but the answer will determine a lot of what happens on the field when this yoke goes live. At first I thought 4 Shocktrains on a fast jumpy bot that can go invisible would be near unstoppable. But to be honest I’m not 100 anymore. It has 33% more firepower, which is very significant, but has low HP and a Bulgasari shield will take a lot of punishment. It will be interesting. I think it would come down to skill and luck and use of cover. A ST Bulg can turn to the side and present it's shield, but will most likely lose weapon lock. A Spectre can use Desend, get some height and stealth. A Bulg can dash in and out of cover and can also corner shoot the ST's with less than half it's torso exposed. 3 level 8 STs will kill a Spectre in 3 shots. 4 level 8 STs will need at least 4 shots to kill a Bulg. I haven't done all the math, but I'd put my money on the ST Bulg. I think the Bulg will be the best ST bot even with the Spectre out. More durability, most durable shield in the game, and a more consistent form of evasion in two dashes. I think at MK2 Lv12, the Spectre will have 125k HP? Bulg at MK2 Lv12 has 228k... plus a 300khp shield The Spectre is probably best used with Vortex or Orkans, depending on which playstyle you prefer. |
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Post by Radar love on Jan 23, 2018 3:57:07 GMT -5
What is the point of strapping shocktrain to a bot that goes sneaky, no need for it at 500 meters. I want to be able to jump at you with four orkans be unhittable for five seconds and blast you to where robots go when they die.
Unlike a dasher the spectre is a certified brawling type bot. Dash bots do not fit in one category. Long range, sure molet. Mid range, shocktrain, scourge and tulubus, absolutely, sure and ok. Short range, taran and orkan, sure and oh yeah.
How may inquis. do you see with trebs? none you, don't. Why? It is built to brawl. Just like the spectre.
I could just be speaking of things I don't know. It will be interesting to see when it hits the live server.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 4:41:28 GMT -5
What is the point of strapping shocktrain to a bot that goes sneaky, no need for it at 500 meters. I want to be able to jump at you with four orkans be unhittable for five seconds and blast you to where robots go when they die. Unlike a dasher the spectre is a certified brawling type bot. Dash bots do not fit in one category. Long range, sure molet. Mid range, shocktrain, scourge and tulubus, absolutely, sure and ok. Short range, taran and orkan, sure and oh yeah. How may inquis. do you see with trebs? none you, don't. Why? It is built to brawl. Just like the spectre. I could just be speaking of things I don't know. It will be interesting to see when it hits the live server. Sneaking behind an opponent, and then jumping to unload 4 Orkans (which kill everything in seconds) while you are in stealth is not "brawling", it's an ambush. The Lancelot is a brawler, completely different style of play. |
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