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Post by ༒ƜƦƛƖƬӇ༒ on Nov 30, 2017 19:21:46 GMT -5
Personally.. I love what the changes are going to be in 3.5 I don't care too much about losing the Daily Gold rewards if you replace it with something better.. And if implemented the way they say they are going to do.. It might just tackle the "Tanker" issue to a large extent.. Silver grinding.. Gonna make sense on not tanking.. Supply Drops are coming in 3.5 (mid-December) Every 3 hours you’ll receive a free Supply Drop with goodies inside You can store up to 4 Drops and open them all with a single tap The higher you are league-wise, the more you receive Rewards include Silver, keys and components Rewards are NOT random. ---- I love the concept.. and I love the potential of getting rid of tankers to an extent.. I guess there will always be tankers.. but maybe this helps the situation.. I mean, we will see how it all pans out.. but I think 3.5 will be a step in the right direction.. I think component rewards and such will bring the "dash bots" and other new bots within reach of many and give the F2P people something cool to grind for.. I may be 180 degrees off track, as there are many of you much smarter and much more serious about this game than I am.. but.. My gut feeling is they felt the pressure and made a move to address a lot of the complaints/Backlash.. what say you?
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Post by sandman on Nov 30, 2017 19:29:44 GMT -5
My only concern is that they remove silver as a battle reward and have our only source be the supply chests. ~500k silver per day would be awful
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Nov 30, 2017 19:30:57 GMT -5
Already a thread about this here
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Post by Nexsan on Nov 30, 2017 19:41:59 GMT -5
That's extra silver you receive in drops, right? You still earn the same silver from battles, no?
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Post by noobcake on Nov 30, 2017 20:04:11 GMT -5
This is good news but it also means that we will progress faster towards a Haechi/Bulgasari festival. Talk about boring :/
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Nov 30, 2017 20:08:59 GMT -5
Well past history would show that Pix will divide, component up, restrict and further ration game currency and other means of progress to trigger impulse rage and anger buying so as to relieve the artificial inducement of loserville fever.
In other words, a lot is riding on this update to smooth player anger and firm up player retention. They 「fluffernutter」 this up then the game is sunk.
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Post by T34 on Nov 30, 2017 20:14:40 GMT -5
This mechanism has lots of inbuilt variables that could make it great or really poor. it just depends how Pix wishes to introduce it and then run it. Will be interesting. Playre retention seems to be high on the agenda. Wonder why.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Nov 30, 2017 22:02:15 GMT -5
This mechanism has lots of inbuilt variables that could make it great or really poor. it just depends how Pix wishes to introduce it and then run it. Will be interesting. Playre retention seems to be high on the agenda. Wonder why. IMO War Robots has peaked and begun it's decline. The question now is will it be a gentle slope to the end or a cliff. Based on my experience, I'd lean toward the cliff. 3.5 might not kill War Robots, but the end is near.
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Post by Domino on Nov 30, 2017 22:08:36 GMT -5
Still alot riding on Au. Hangars, good weapons and decent bots.
You optionally can earn about 60 Au a day. 2-3 months gets you a Lance just from daily tasks.
That's the pace, if this helps the pace, it will.be well received, otherwise it won't.
Silver drops are 1-2 game worth. No biggie
Components. I'll believe it when I see it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 22:12:41 GMT -5
Losing daily tasks, win rewards and possibly end of season rewards, based on the 'removing direct gold rewards'.
Good luck newbies in farming gold for 4th, 5th slot, bots and weapons.
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Post by T34 on Nov 30, 2017 22:43:14 GMT -5
This mechanism has lots of inbuilt variables that could make it great or really poor. it just depends how Pix wishes to introduce it and then run it. Will be interesting. Playre retention seems to be high on the agenda. Wonder why. IMO War Robots has peaked and begun it's decline. The question now is will it be a gentle slope to the end or a cliff. Based on my experience, I'd lean toward the cliff. 3.5 might not kill War Robots, but the end is near. there is another possibility besides a fire sale. and that is, have they made enough money recently and there is a decline but not severe enough. Now they are reverting to a more balanced approach to sure up the userbase for the next release
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Post by T34 on Nov 30, 2017 22:44:22 GMT -5
Losing daily tasks, win rewards and possibly end of season rewards, based on the 'removing direct gold rewards'. Good luck newbies in farming gold for 4th, 5th slot, bots and weapons. yes. that is a problem. the ones on top will have way more and it will be hard to break in to the club.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Nov 30, 2017 22:51:27 GMT -5
IMO War Robots has peaked and begun it's decline. The question now is will it be a gentle slope to the end or a cliff. Based on my experience, I'd lean toward the cliff. 3.5 might not kill War Robots, but the end is near. there is another possibility besides a fire sale. and that is, have they made enough money recently and there is a decline but not severe enough. Now they are reverting to a more balanced approach to sure up the userbase for the next release A lot of vets have already quit. More are losing interest. There can't be many people that would be interested in War Robots that haven't already played it. And... it's damn hard to be a noob these days facing maxed dash bots. So the few new people that can be introduced aren't all staying. The numbers have to be down IMO. Otherwise Pixonic wouldn't be being so kind right now. We've already seen they are ruthless. Don't be fooled.
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Post by weaksauce on Nov 30, 2017 23:04:47 GMT -5
In concept I can see this as a reward to maintain higher leagues. In reality it means very little. A tanker tanks to a low league cuz they can't hack it at a higher leagues and still manage top 3 consistently with the MM. So a champion player in bronze is getting #1 spot every game with over a million damage with one bot. Making 750,000 silver and 5-10 gold a match. Play a bunch of matches and your at 10M silver in no time. Now they will just say "Yeay! Now we get 50k more silver a day for nothing."
its been said a million times before, but the only way to generally level the field is to base matches by hanger strength. Asign a maximum value to every bot and weapon, the scale it by level. Then pit teams together to get a team total that is ballpark from each other. This too is not perfect, as some situations fall outside of ideal. For example a full clan squad of 6 with all MK2 bots and weapons. Tough to match up unless a similar squad is also running and you both try to start a match around the same time. Or the MM will have to find 6 maxed out ransoms. This may be hard to do at all times. So maybe a 12/12 squad vs MK2 squad here and there.
This would at least almost completely remove any possibility of seeing a MK2 shocktrain Haechi in bronze ever again. Possibly the system could be tricked. For example, run 4 level 1 Cossacks with no weapons, and a single MK2 dash bot. Depending on the league and equipment values, that might sneak into some silver or gold matches.
Anyways, thanks for the post OP, and thanks for the 500k silver Pixo. Kinda like getting the reward for one extra match a day. Would rather have gold. Got over 150m silver. Need to be able to upgrade faster or do multiple upgrades at a time.
On that note, if getting extra hangers meant also being able to upgrade one item per hanger, I would totally be on board.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 30, 2017 23:07:46 GMT -5
The concept is great, but as usual, the execution is not. A difference of 400k silver per day is NOT going to persuade anyone to not tank. A tanker can cover that difference in a single match by seal clubbing. The difference needs to be a per match difference to have any real affect on tanking as a whole.
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Post by T34 on Nov 30, 2017 23:19:06 GMT -5
there is another possibility besides a fire sale. and that is, have they made enough money recently and there is a decline but not severe enough. Now they are reverting to a more balanced approach to sure up the userbase for the next release A lot of vets have already quit. More are losing interest. There can't be many people that would be interested in War Robots that haven't already played it. And... it's damn hard to be a noob these days facing maxed dash bots. So the few new people that can be introduced aren't all staying. The numbers have to be down IMO. Otherwise Pixonic wouldn't be being so kind right now. We've already seen they are ruthless. Don't be fooled. On the balance of probabilities and observations your reasoning is probably more likely to be correct than mine. However the possibility I am eluding to if for instance I was in Pixes shoes and had an aggressive strategy for the new bot release I would also cater in the loss of a percentage of the user base. that strategy would also include a recovery plan for growing the user base once a certain threshold level reached. These guys are no duds. they thought this through very well and executed one plan after the other. the real question is if they miscalculated and things turned out to be worse than their business plan allowed for.
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Post by maverick on Nov 30, 2017 23:37:10 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else has tried starting from scratch lately, after the 3.3 update MM fiasco I started a fresh game all is fine you are running around in destriders and cossacks with the odd boa or patton thrown in and once you hit level 7 all hell breaks loose. From the very first game once you get to level 7 you are facing griffs, leos and all the heavy hitters NONE OF WHICH YOU HAVE ACCESS TO. Out of curiosity seeing as I said above I feel the MM is a little better the last few weeks I started another new account last night and it's still the same the second you get to level 7 bang you last about a minute tops EVERY SINGLE GAME. This photo is from a game with the choices I had. If I was just starting out fresh I would not bother going any further and I know lately there have been posts from people "just starting out" saying oh yeah I just started and I have 16 trillion in silver (small exaggeration) already and 4 slots and my bots are already level 6 blah blah blah but I'm honestly wondering if they are real or not. My progress in the game sine I got to level 7 has just stopped, no silver, no gold. Can't upgrade without silver, can't buy better weapons without gold and yet you keep increasing in level despite losing or winning. Just as another experiment (I'm in champion league on Gameroom) I fitted 5 level 1 cossacks with ECU's and ran around still doing my best to win but obviously causing no damage at all and still went up in my rankings. How does that work? Win or lose didn't matter my ranking went up. An anti tanking measure? Don't know.
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Post by slipknot1325 on Dec 1, 2017 1:00:55 GMT -5
I like that pix is trying to the right thing but I’m still very skeptic I mean that’s really not that much extra silver and I’m worried there gonna give us components 7 Per drop and keys 1-5 per drop.
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Post by acdcfan on Dec 1, 2017 1:09:50 GMT -5
110% of the time I criticize Pixonic. This time I am going to give them benefit of the doubt on this one. Unless I am misunderstanding these reward chest, they are giving opportunity to players to obtains dash bots and gives them incentive to climb league ladder to shorten the time required to get all the components.
Am I wrong here?
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Post by moses on Dec 1, 2017 1:46:59 GMT -5
110% of the time I criticize Pixonic. This time I am going to give them benefit of the doubt on this one. Unless I am misunderstanding these reward chest, they are giving opportunity to players to obtains dash bots and gives them incentive to climb league ladder to shorten the time required to get all the components. Am I wrong here? I would also like to go for benefit of the doubt on this one, but the problem seems to be that incentive to climb does not equal ability to climb. As pointed out above an extra 400k silver a day is not gonna convince tankers and the components are only going to be appealing in the months you actually want the item (if it gets me an inquisitor then yes, if it is another scourge or tempest, probably less interesting). But what seems more important is that the prime motivation for tanking / seal clubbing is still there - quickly amassing piles of gold and silver. On silver if games last 3-5 mins for a seal Clubber they can easily make up multiple times the 400k silver in higher number of games per day. so I figure the tankers will still be floating around the lower leagues and the lower league players will never make enough components to actually get the items in a month so it does not seem like it will drastically balance the playing field for them. For this reason I think people will still struggle to move up the leagues even if the incentives are there. anyway, let’s see how it goes - hopefully at the very least it doesn’t make things worse
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 1, 2017 1:59:51 GMT -5
110% of the time I criticize Pixonic. This time I am going to give them benefit of the doubt on this one. Unless I am misunderstanding these reward chest, they are giving opportunity to players to obtains dash bots and gives them incentive to climb league ladder to shorten the time required to get all the components. Am I wrong here? Well I already have 1 kumiho getting dust in the store. I have 550m silver. So the only thing I can use is few keys. Definitely I am not climbing up for those gambling stuff. And for the components parts by the time you get enough components for an haechi or the inquisitor or shocktrain (only useful bots/weapons) don't you think that there will be much more new stuffs released by pigso ? I mean it may take you MONTHS to get them all EVEN if you are in legend league(assuming that yoh log in twice EVERYDAY). If you are lower than it will take you years ? Pigso is giving you swords and knifes while whales enjoy the anti tank machine guns. So if you call this "step in the right direction" than yes it is. Edit: Insted of starting with useless kumiho which they know many already have from the last event, if they have started with the haechi components AND if I can get that haechi in 30 days than and than only I would have called it the step in right direction. I may climb up for that.
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Post by Nitro on Dec 1, 2017 2:23:52 GMT -5
Losing daily tasks, win rewards and possibly end of season rewards, based on the 'removing direct gold rewards'. Good luck newbies in farming gold for 4th, 5th slot, bots and weapons. yes. that is a problem. the ones on top will have way more and it will be hard to break in to the club. This right here GUARANTEES more Tankers. Can't get into champion league to get the best boxes and you need the gold, not the measly amount of components and silver they're offering from the boxes? Just tank on down and club the newbies to get your 10 gold a match. Oh and don't forget to club them harder than usual because you can kiss your 60 gold a day goodbye!
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Post by acdcfan on Dec 1, 2017 2:34:36 GMT -5
110% of the time I criticize Pixonic. This time I am going to give them benefit of the doubt on this one. Unless I am misunderstanding these reward chest, they are giving opportunity to players to obtains dash bots and gives them incentive to climb league ladder to shorten the time required to get all the components. Am I wrong here? Well I already have 1 kumiho getting dust in the store. I have 550m silver. So the only thing I can use is few keys. Definitely I am not climbing up for those gambling stuff. And for the components parts by the time you get enough components for an haechi or the inquisitor or shocktrain (only useful bots/weapons) don't you think that there will be much more new stuffs released by pigso ? I mean it may take you MONTHS to get them all EVEN if you are in legend league(assuming that yoh log in twice EVERYDAY). If you are lower than it will take you years ? Pigso is giving you swords and knifes while whales enjoy the anti tank machine guns. So if you call this "step in the right direction" than yes it is. Edit: Insted of starting with useless kumiho which they know many already have from the last event, if they have started with the haechi components AND if I can get that haechi in 30 days than and than only I would have called it the step in right direction. I may climb up for that. I don't have any dash bots ...1 scourge and that is it... Missing 10 components to get second one If their data can be trusted, someone in gold league can get kumiho in 40 days by opening supply crates, or quicker if they purchased, gold or WP, components offers. To me that seems reasonable to those not willing to pay RM. That is all.
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 1, 2017 2:57:02 GMT -5
Well I already have 1 kumiho getting dust in the store. I have 550m silver. So the only thing I can use is few keys. Definitely I am not climbing up for those gambling stuff. And for the components parts by the time you get enough components for an haechi or the inquisitor or shocktrain (only useful bots/weapons) don't you think that there will be much more new stuffs released by pigso ? I mean it may take you MONTHS to get them all EVEN if you are in legend league(assuming that yoh log in twice EVERYDAY). If you are lower than it will take you years ? Pigso is giving you swords and knifes while whales enjoy the anti tank machine guns. So if you call this "step in the right direction" than yes it is. Edit: Insted of starting with useless kumiho which they know many already have from the last event, if they have started with the haechi components AND if I can get that haechi in 30 days than and than only I would have called it the step in right direction. I may climb up for that. I don't have any dash bots ...1 scourge and that is it... Missing 10 components to get second one If their data can be trusted, someone in gold league can get kumiho in 40 days by opening supply crates, or quicker if they purchased, gold or WP, components offers. To me that seems reasonable to those not willing to pay RM. That is all. Tell me this after getting kumiho. I will agree.
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Post by acdcfan on Dec 1, 2017 3:00:33 GMT -5
I don't have any dash bots ...1 scourge and that is it... Missing 10 components to get second one If their data can be trusted, someone in gold league can get kumiho in 40 days by opening supply crates, or quicker if they purchased, gold or WP, components offers. To me that seems reasonable to those not willing to pay RM. That is all. Tell me this after getting kumiho. I will agree. OK... but I still like to give them benefit of a doubt this time. This is first time I am sitting on the fence in regards to next update. every other one I have criticized one way or the other
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 1, 2017 3:12:19 GMT -5
Tell me this after getting kumiho. I will agree. OK... but I still like to give them benefit of a doubt this time. This is first time I am sitting on the fence in regards to next update. every other one I have criticized one way or the other Sure...cheers ? ... I didn't wanted to discourage anyone. I am also a F2P player and I got that kumiho in last event.
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Post by acdcfan on Dec 1, 2017 3:27:30 GMT -5
OK... but I still like to give them benefit of a doubt this time. This is first time I am sitting on the fence in regards to next update. every other one I have criticized one way or the other Sure...cheers ? ... I didn't wanted to discourage anyone. I am also a F2P player and I got that kumiho in last event. I am too F2P, but I think this is a move by Pixonic to please the masses and give them definite time as to how long it will take to obtain a dash bot. Could be longer for a others, but at least they, F2P players know, they can get them.
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Post by danny on Dec 1, 2017 3:31:29 GMT -5
there is another possibility besides a fire sale. and that is, have they made enough money recently and there is a decline but not severe enough. Now they are reverting to a more balanced approach to sure up the userbase for the next release A lot of vets have already quit. More are losing interest. There can't be many people that would be interested in War Robots that haven't already played it. And... it's damn hard to be a noob these days facing maxed dash bots. So the few new people that can be introduced aren't all staying. The numbers have to be down IMO. Otherwise Pixonic wouldn't be being so kind right now. We've already seen they are ruthless. Don't be fooled. You give only two options for Pixonic's motive: kindness or desperation. I agree with you kindness is laughable. But it doesn't have to be because they are desperate to save their failing game. I think we all may be underestimating Pixonic. Everything that is happening could be according to one of the few possible scenarios they have pre-planned for. My observation of Pixonic tells me that these people are far from desperate, panicky or rushed. They are always acting in a confident and collected manner. I think even the number of gamers departing from the game has been foreseen and planned for. We can divide players into 3 very general groups: 1) Whales - These are the people who have been treated very well. The game at this stage seems to be made for them. This has generated ill will in the other 2 groups. 2) Free Players - These are now being appeased by their getting a Kumiho and soon, the Bulgasari in the events and further Kumihos in dropboxes. 3) Non-Whale Spenders - If indeed gold will be harder to obtain, this group will be enabled (and empowered) to spend small to moderate amounts to get the scarcer gold. Hopefully, this will make them happy. But Pixonic has more things lined up. Just watch and learn from the masters themselves.
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Post by ouch on Dec 1, 2017 6:49:06 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just an old cynic after playing this game for over 3 years but I don't see anywhere in their 3.5 announcement that guarantees you will get dash bots in a month if you are in Champions league.
If you read their announcement Pix says that supply drops will contain components of 1 or 2 items THEY chose and that this will reset "every month or so". Also as usual Pix only showed the example of one thing the Kumo, we don't know how many components of other items you get. For example if supply drops contain Kumo or Shocktrain components but you only get half the number of Shocktrain components as you do Kumo ones you wont get either completed in a month.
If supply drops are supposed to be Pixonics way of appeasing their playbase why aren't they screaming about it on every social media platform yet? Tofsla didnt even post an announcement on Reddit, and there is no mention of it on their Facebook page either where the biggest outpouring of grievance to their P2W model has been. Instead they bury it on warrobots.net, probably the place with least viewers.
All I see is Pixonic doubling down on the monetisation policy with what could be the final piece...... the total monetisation of choice. Pixonic have been eroding players choice in the game since the introduction of leagues. You want to chose what bots and weapons you want to use no problem for whales, not so much for anyone else not prepared to drop stupid amounts of money. You want to chose what your hanger contains before you drop into a map, no problem Pixonic will sell you that too.
This was once a truly great game with fun gameplay, now everything is nothing more than a game of chance.
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Post by AVC on Dec 1, 2017 7:59:18 GMT -5
its been said a million times before, but the only way to generally level the field is to base matches by hanger strength. Asign a maximum value to every bot and weapon, the scale it by level. Then pit teams together to get a team total that is ballpark from each other. This too is not perfect, as some situations fall outside of ideal. For example a full clan squad of 6 with all MK2 bots and weapons. Tough to match up unless a similar squad is also running and you both try to start a match around the same time. Or the MM will have to find 6 maxed out ransoms. This may be hard to do at all times. So maybe a 12/12 squad vs MK2 squad here and there. This would at least almost completely remove any possibility of seeing a MK2 shocktrain Haechi in bronze ever again. Possibly the system could be tricked. For example, run 4 level 1 Cossacks with no weapons, and a single MK2 dash bot. Depending on the league and equipment values, that might sneak into some silver or gold matches. I think it should be based on the highest value Mech in your hanger, regardless. That would encourage levelling up your bots evenly.
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