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Post by SoCalGrndR on Dec 1, 2017 8:04:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately there has been a catch to any release since the beginning of 2017....
The meaning of 'we here you and are working on that.....' is now cold, dead, and buried. Flowers are growing over the grave around that headstone.
What has been stated in terms as a 'solution - new release' has been twisted, contorted, and manipulated to one end - greed.
I play poker on a regular basis, as someone who 'gambles on a regular basis'. The BM / Royale is not gambling, it is scheme to extract $$. I have not spent a single $ on the BM since its inception. I have spent $$ on Au purchases and Premium packs, knowing the value of my $$ spent.
My hanger has suffered for it, I have nothing new since release of the Tempest. I feel father away from a true Champion hangar now with a full 11/12 hangar & a couple bots I can rotate compared to when I was in the Masters League.
In November I was in top 12 groupings of legends points (groups = 100 pilots) for most of the month, then my playing time dropped considerably after the event. I know there were at least 100 groups when I reached Champions league. In previous months I could not stay in top 35. To give perspective on the gap of activity points, last month in the top 12 I had around 6500 points - the top players were close to 3x my amount. I believe that there has been a significant erosion of Champion players from the effect of recent releases - the imbalance of the game at Champion level is now staggering.
I will not be optomistic on a new release until it has hit the live server. At this point it appears to be to little to late. The gap of imbalance has grown to wide over a length of time that is even greater.
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 1, 2017 8:39:05 GMT -5
Unfortunately there has been a catch to any release since the beginning of 2017.... The meaning of 'we here you and are working on that.....' is now cold, dead, and buried. Flowers are growing over the grave around that headstone. What has been stated in terms as a 'solution - new release' has been twisted, contorted, and manipulated to one end - greed. I play poker on a regular basis, as someone who 'gambles on a regular basis'. The BM / Royale is not gambling, it is scheme to extract $$. I have not spent a single $ on the BM since its inception. I have spent $$ on Au purchases and Premium packs, knowing the value of my $$ spent. My hanger has suffered for it, I have nothing new since release of the Tempest. I feel father away from a true Champion hangar now with a full 11/12 hangar & a couple bots I can rotate compared to when I was in the Masters League. In November I was in top 12 groupings of legends points (groups = 100 pilots) for most of the month, then my playing time dropped considerably after the event. I know there were at least 100 groups when I reached Champions league. In previous months I could not stay in top 35. To give perspective on the gap of activity points, last month in the top 12 I had around 6500 points - the top players were close to 3x my amount. I believe that there has been a significant erosion of Champion players from the effect of recent releases - the imbalance of the game at Champion level is now staggering. I will not be optomistic on a new release until it has hit the live server. At this point it appears to be to little to late. The gap of imbalance has grown to wide over a length of time that is even greater. SoCal Exactly there is so much imbalance now that a small step can't affect it. It's like giving a lollipop to a kid instead of a toy he wanted. |
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 1, 2017 8:52:37 GMT -5
That's extra silver you receive in drops, right? You still earn the same silver from battles, no? We'll see. For the last year, every idea that seemed good from a player perspective was implemented in a way to enhance monetization and increase p2w. I won't even make a prediction on this one, but keep in mind that in order to avoid tanking you'll need to reduce the battle rewards such that the supply drops are the main source for silver, and I don't see Pixo giving out additional free silver. |
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 1, 2017 8:57:10 GMT -5
I will not be optomistic on a new release until it has hit the live server. At this point it appears to be to little to late. The gap of imbalance has grown to wide over a length of time that is even greater. Exactly there is so much imbalance now that a small step can't affect it. It's like giving a lollipop to a kid instead of a toy he wanted. True. The irony is: It might even fix tanking, if implemented in a fair way. And half a year ago I would have named tanking as the single biggest problem with the game. But now the much bigger problems are the loss of competetive balance and the rise of low-skill weapons, and the supply chests won't do anything about that. Plus, many tankers will have huge silver supplies, so it might hit new players much harder than established players. |
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 1, 2017 9:39:05 GMT -5
Yes. This reminds me of strategy machinezone- devs of game of war used to use(and still using) to fool players.
1) First release a game changer big update and keep prices of all new stuff sky high like 1000$ or more to get them all.
2) Now release few small updates that won't change game balance much.
3) Now just before releasing next game changer big update give all the previous stuff for very nominal price like $100. So people will think that devs are so generous.
4) Now release the next big update next week that will make all the previous updates useless.
5) Repeat the cycle.
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Post by DBCooper on Dec 1, 2017 13:26:42 GMT -5
I'm leery of the new drop system. The Ag is only worth a match or two, but something like 20 components a day and some bm tickets that most likely end up as 30 more random components and another 80k Ag, are little upside compared to the loss of a steady supply of Au.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 1, 2017 14:27:12 GMT -5
Not to be a negative Nancy (again still), but if that little rotating box on the top left of the hangar screen is the new drop, I'm not liking it very much. It's turning into a Farmville daily chore to go click a bunch of crap to earn more useless crap before actually playing a game (which itself has also become a chore). And feel like I need a PhD in astrophysics to keep track of what I've already drawn without accidentally punching something that's gonna cost me gold. Not to mention that for all that, all I've gotten 99% of the time is 50k Ag. I'm not an idiot (much), but all these distractions to just playing the frakking game are getting way too complicated for this old fart. Combine that with it becoming increasingly less fun to play, it just seems that Pix doesn't want me around for a customer.
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Post by danny on Dec 1, 2017 14:53:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately there has been a catch to any release since the beginning of 2017.... The meaning of 'we here you and are working on that.....' is now cold, dead, and buried. Flowers are growing over the grave around that headstone. What has been stated in terms as a 'solution - new release' has been twisted, contorted, and manipulated to one end - greed. I play poker on a regular basis, as someone who 'gambles on a regular basis'. The BM / Royale is not gambling, it is scheme to extract $$. I have not spent a single $ on the BM since its inception. I have spent $$ on Au purchases and Premium packs, knowing the value of my $$ spent. My hanger has suffered for it, I have nothing new since release of the Tempest. I feel father away from a true Champion hangar now with a full 11/12 hangar & a couple bots I can rotate compared to when I was in the Masters League. In November I was in top 12 groupings of legends points (groups = 100 pilots) for most of the month, then my playing time dropped considerably after the event. I know there were at least 100 groups when I reached Champions league. In previous months I could not stay in top 35. To give perspective on the gap of activity points, last month in the top 12 I had around 6500 points - the top players were close to 3x my amount. I believe that there has been a significant erosion of Champion players from the effect of recent releases - the imbalance of the game at Champion level is now staggering. I will not be optomistic on a new release until it has hit the live server. At this point it appears to be to little to late. The gap of imbalance has grown to wide over a length of time that is even greater. SoCal Exactly there is so much imbalance now that a small step can't affect it. It's like giving a lollipop to a kid instead of a toy he wanted. There's something we need to get straight. War Robots is a P2W game, so don't go expecting gameplay balance. It's never happening. All these "corrective" steps are not to instill balance; they are purely to appease non-whales so that we will continue playing and keep the game alive. Don't expect anything more than that and you'll do just fine. |
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Post by _psychø on Dec 1, 2017 15:05:14 GMT -5
I like the changes, but my only concern is the gold, how will we be able to get gold other than the BM and battles or buying it? I still need gold, if they're going to give us gold from the supply drops that would be okay, or increase the gold rewards from battles.
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Post by Domino on Dec 1, 2017 15:58:56 GMT -5
I find the very last line the most important thing in that whole post.
New beginnings........
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Post by 「fluffernutter」eney on Dec 1, 2017 16:59:42 GMT -5
I've been trying to climb the league ladder and for many, many months I have been stuck at the same tier. The MM won't let me get up the ladder. I am currently E2 in iOS and am constantly being matched up with Champions league players. I started in the Expert Tier with 8/9 equipment and I have now upgraded to 10/11 with better (gold) bots. I simply cannot compete with fully leveled up MkII k-bots with all of the newest weapons. I know this and acknowledge this. Now only if Pix can do the same.
In order for this new rewards system to be truly fair, they need to limit the pool of players to the tier they are in and THAT'S IT!! Bronze with Bronze, Gold with Gold, Champ with Champ, etc. As you progress up the Tier and you enter the challenge, make it an actual challenge! Match the challengers with the next tier players. If they are worthy, they will gain entrance, if not, they will have a chance to gain additional silver and gold to further prepare for the next tier.
If there's not enough active players in your tier's pool, simple, play with what you have a match for. Be it 4v4 or whatever.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 1, 2017 17:03:01 GMT -5
Exactly there is so much imbalance now that a small step can't affect it. It's like giving a lollipop to a kid instead of a toy he wanted. There's something we need to get straight. War Robots is a P2W game, so don't go expecting gameplay balance. It's never happening. All these "corrective" steps are not to instill balance; they are purely to appease non-whales so that we will continue playing and keep the game alive. Don't expect anything more than that and you'll do just fine. Hit that one right on the head. And the more obvious it becomes, the less and less I want to play, which is already very little. So I'd say it's having the opposite affect of what was intended. |
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Post by asie on Dec 1, 2017 19:05:47 GMT -5
yes. that is a problem. the ones on top will have way more and it will be hard to break in to the club. This right here GUARANTEES more Tankers. Can't get into champion league to get the best boxes and you need the gold, not the measly amount of components and silver they're offering from the boxes? Just tank on down and club the newbies to get your 10 gold a match. Oh and don't forget to club them harder than usual because you can kiss your 60 gold a day goodbye! Could not agree more. That's the point. |
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Post by asie on Dec 1, 2017 19:13:48 GMT -5
I like the changes, but my only concern is the gold, how will we be able to get gold other than the BM and battles or buying it? I still need gold, if they're going to give us gold from the supply drops that would be okay, or increase the gold rewards from battles. What do u like about it? They take the gold away, and give you ficking silver... Is this such a good business? SMH |
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Post by _psychø on Dec 1, 2017 21:00:26 GMT -5
I like the changes, but my only concern is the gold, how will we be able to get gold other than the BM and battles or buying it? I still need gold, if they're going to give us gold from the supply drops that would be okay, or increase the gold rewards from battles. What do u like about it? They take the gold away, and give you ficking silver... Is this such a good business? SMH Silver, components and keys. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 21:16:39 GMT -5
Pixonic is killing their own game. 3.5 will NOT encourage seal clubbers and tankers to become honest players, and with the possible removal of daily tasks, how will anyone, ANYONE, make gold without buying? They're just encouraging players who've been here for a long time to leave, and new players to rage quit because of tankers, seal clubbers, the MM, and a severe lack of resources. And don't even get me started on the dash bot fiasco War Robots will become in a couple months, because we all know that no matter how many good souls there are out there who refuse to use the dash bots they could get/have, the number of people who do use them will always outnumber them 1000 to 1.
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Post by danny on Dec 1, 2017 21:23:04 GMT -5
What do u like about it? They take the gold away, and give you ficking silver... Is this such a good business? SMH Silver, components and keys. If they give enough components so that I can get a Kumiho, Bulgasari and Inquisitor within a reasonable period of time, I shall be overjoyed. I don't need to win - winning and dominating are irrelevant to me as far as deriving fun from the game goes. And I don't mind paying for gold. You see, I'm an easily appeased non-whale spender. All the rest of you non-whales, whether free or otherwise, are also easily appeased. You just don't know it yet. Pixonic's P2W game blueprint is to please the whales and appease the non-whales. And guess what? It'll work. |
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Post by _psychø on Dec 1, 2017 21:33:48 GMT -5
Silver, components and keys. If they give enough components so that I can get a Kumiho, Bulgasari and Inquisitor within a reasonable period of time, I shall be overjoyed. I don't need to win - winning and dominating are irrelevant to me as far as deriving fun from the game goes. And I don't mind paying for gold. You see, I'm an easily appeased non-whale spender. All the rest of you non-whales, whether free or otherwise, are also easily appeased. You just don't know it yet. Pixonic's P2W game blueprint is to please the whales and appease the non-whales. And guess what? It'll work. Their chart says that a champ player would be able to get a Kumiho within 20 days, for me in Expert, I'd be able to get in it less than a month, that's only by collecting the free boxes, not playing, and it seems like a great deal for me. However the Inquisitor is way more more expensive than a Kumiho so it will definitely take longer. |
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Post by danny on Dec 1, 2017 21:49:31 GMT -5
If they give enough components so that I can get a Kumiho, Bulgasari and Inquisitor within a reasonable period of time, I shall be overjoyed. I don't need to win - winning and dominating are irrelevant to me as far as deriving fun from the game goes. And I don't mind paying for gold. You see, I'm an easily appeased non-whale spender. All the rest of you non-whales, whether free or otherwise, are also easily appeased. You just don't know it yet. Pixonic's P2W game blueprint is to please the whales and appease the non-whales. And guess what? It'll work. Their chart says that a champ player would be able to get a Kumiho within 20 days, for me in Expert, I'd be able to get in it less than a month, that's only by collecting the free boxes, not playing, and it seems like a great deal for me. However the Inquisitor is way more more expensive than a Kumiho so it will definitely take longer. Don't mind paying for the balance components either, as long as it's not in the hundreds of dollars. |
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Post by _psychø on Dec 2, 2017 15:01:25 GMT -5
Their chart says that a champ player would be able to get a Kumiho within 20 days, for me in Expert, I'd be able to get in it less than a month, that's only by collecting the free boxes, not playing, and it seems like a great deal for me. However the Inquisitor is way more more expensive than a Kumiho so it will definitely take longer. Don't mind paying for the balance components either, as long as it's not in the hundreds of dollars. Lol I don't pay for games like this, if something isn't F-22 friendly, I can keep my distance from it. |
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Post by ༒ƜƦƛƖƬӇ༒ on Dec 3, 2017 3:54:53 GMT -5
Their chart says that a champ player would be able to get a Kumiho within 20 days, for me in Expert, I'd be able to get in it less than a month, that's only by collecting the free boxes, not playing, and it seems like a great deal for me. However the Inquisitor is way more more expensive than a Kumiho so it will definitely take longer. Don't mind paying for the balance components either, as long as it's not in the hundreds of dollars. I want the ability to NOT pay anything, to be able to grind for something.. I hate components I feel the system now is a rip off.. it smells funny.. 3.5 update it seems that you can grind for bots.. whether it takes 20 or 80 days.. I just like that fact.. that you can grind for something again.. I may use cash to balance it out.. But I am NOT spending 100 bucks for any weapon or Bot.. that, to me is insane.. |
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