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Post by Fry on Nov 15, 2017 4:54:35 GMT -5
So the Haechi is going to be nerfed. -%5 of speed. 5*45=225 225/100=2.25 As you can see the Haechi's speed get nerfed by 2.25 but on the test server, they nerfed it by 3. I want that 0.75 speed. What is your opinion on this matter?
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Post by Diablo86 on Nov 15, 2017 4:57:11 GMT -5
Slow day at the office?
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Nov 15, 2017 5:30:48 GMT -5
I watch Dash Bots nerf video on YT. Channel is Pilot Kickass. I see title that says Dash Bots nerf still OP.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 15, 2017 5:58:54 GMT -5
So the Haechi is going to be nerfed. -%5 of speed. 5*45=225 225/100=2.25 As you can see the Haechi's speed get nerfed by 2.25 but on the test server, they nerfed it by 3. I want that 0.75 speed. What is your opinion on this matter? Insignificant. The OPness of the haeci is the double fast recharging dash allowing it to cover->out of cover and orkan deluge-->cover without being touched. A walking speed and shield (they are nerfing it by 5% too, apparently) nerf, not particularly heavy nerfs at that, are inconsequential.
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Post by Fry on Nov 15, 2017 6:22:11 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not defending the Haechi MK2.Haechi MK2 is strong more than the Haechi MK1.Second, the Haechi is vulnerable to Zeus fury.The Canyon map is my nightmare, due to lack of cover and the number of Fury Zeus/Trebuchet and Natasha Trebuchet.Everything in this game has a counter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 6:30:02 GMT -5
Remove a hard point, it shouldn't be too OP then.
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Post by _psychø on Nov 15, 2017 7:07:25 GMT -5
That Nerf is a total joke, it won't harm it as long as it's still a shielded fast dashing bot with a lot of HP and three medium weapons.
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Post by leavemealone on Nov 15, 2017 7:20:12 GMT -5
That Nerf is a total joke, it won't harm it as long as it's still a shielded fast dashing bot with a lot of HP and three medium weapons. I can assure you their not exerting their best effort on balancing the bot. I cannot wait when Battle of titan hit android.
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Post by Fry on Nov 15, 2017 7:31:12 GMT -5
Maybe, it's OP but considering its price it must be like that.However, I read posts that suggest, one Dash or one Hardpoint or Shield, should be removed.As an owner of a Haechi, I can tolerate less HP or Shield.
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Post by Alpha on Nov 15, 2017 7:32:22 GMT -5
By the looks of it, the nerf really is not a nerf at all, it still looks way OP. I guess if you paid £$400 for one you will be fine with this.
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Post by _psychø on Nov 15, 2017 8:50:16 GMT -5
That Nerf is a total joke, it won't harm it as long as it's still a shielded fast dashing bot with a lot of HP and three medium weapons. I can assure you their not exerting their best effort on balancing the bot. I cannot wait when Battle of titan hit android. Best effort? Huh? Effort? Oh boy! They're not even TRYING to balance it out!
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Post by SATmaster728 on Nov 15, 2017 8:56:06 GMT -5
So the Haechi is going to be nerfed. -%5 of speed. 5*45=225 225/100=2.25 As you can see the Haechi's speed get nerfed by 2.25 but on the test server, they nerfed it by 3. I want that 0.75 speed. What is your opinion on this matter? Insignificant. The OPness of the haeci is the double fast recharging dash allowing it to cover->out of cover and orkan deluge-->cover without being touched. A speed and shield (theya re nerfing it by 5% too, apparently) nerf, not particularly heavy nerfs at that, are inconsequential. and close to griffin health, and three med points, and energy shield, and galahad speed...
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 15, 2017 9:03:38 GMT -5
Maybe, it's OP but considering its price it must be like that.However, I read posts that suggest, one Dash or one Hardpoint or Shield, should be removed.As an owner of a Haechi, I can tolerate less HP or Shield. I'd go with any of those. But primarily with the hardpoint. Three of anything with the dash and shield buys you enough time and opportunity to shred anything. I own two haechis (from 3.2 BM days) and I dont play them with anything above punishers, usually tulus or hydras (if Im really annoyed) because its not really not a fair fight. (And I consider my rog vs. a griffin a fair fight).
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 15, 2017 9:09:28 GMT -5
and close to griffin health, and three med points, and energy shield, and galahad speed... Absolutely, but those you can overcome... if you can actually touch the thing before it zooms behind a building. Honestly, they should remove one dash... dash should be, as it was originally planned I think , a way to escape rockets, not a massive "you see me-I punch you in the face-you see me not in less than 3 seconds" thing.
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Post by krebby on Nov 15, 2017 9:13:42 GMT -5
Don't worry about the nerf; you still won't need skill to win.
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Post by snk on Nov 15, 2017 9:20:14 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not defending the Haechi MK2.Haechi MK2 is strong more than the Haechi MK1.Second, the Haechi is vulnerable to Zeus fury.The Canyon map is my nightmare, due to lack of cover and the number of Fury Zeus/Trebuchet and Natasha Trebuchet.Everything in this game has a counter. The bots you mentioned don’t counter Heachi, there are only few bots with physical shield is better than Heachi.
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Post by Loganspawn on Nov 15, 2017 9:47:36 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not defending the Haechi MK2.Haechi MK2 is strong more than the Haechi MK1.Second, the Haechi is vulnerable to Zeus fury.The Canyon map is my nightmare, due to lack of cover and the number of Fury Zeus/Trebuchet and Natasha Trebuchet.Everything in this game has a counter. The bots you mentioned don’t counter Heachi, there are only few bots with physical shield is better than Heachi. You obviously dont run them much..... Everyone and their brother is running energy weapons now and takes aim at the dash bots. They die very very fast on any open terrain or when not being smart.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 15, 2017 10:59:46 GMT -5
The bots you mentioned don’t counter Heachi, there are only few bots with physical shield is better than Heachi. You obviously dont run them much..... Everyone and their brother is running energy weapons now and takes aim at the dash bots. They die very very fast on any open terrain or when not being smart. It must be terrible to have one map out of seven where one might encounter some difficulty to actually wipe out whole hangars without dying. The horror, the horror... But then again... beacon rush pretty much solve the annoyance, does it not?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 15, 2017 11:07:22 GMT -5
Unless it is hangars full of them... plasma/energy is a decent counter. Unless, of course, they are sitting back with Shocktrains... hitting one Blue and damaging all of them.
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Post by javelinaut717 on Nov 15, 2017 11:41:16 GMT -5
Haechi nerf speed is still op non the less because the hard point weapon including the Shocktrain existence. And the ability and cooldown system is still too op
As everyone complain about it's, I wish those company need to nerf more than just speed but to think it's gonna be hard those pix really afraid not nerf any further....you know because to those whaler customers purchase it and not willing to charge, the damage was already cost a lot
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Post by Loganspawn on Nov 15, 2017 11:44:41 GMT -5
You obviously dont run them much..... Everyone and their brother is running energy weapons now and takes aim at the dash bots. They die very very fast on any open terrain or when not being smart. It must be terrible to have one map out of seven where one might encounter some difficulty to actually wipe out whole hangars without dying. The horror, the horror... But then again... beacon rush pretty much solve the annoyance, does it not? It isn't just range maps I said open terrain, hard to get anywhere without moving. How long does a Zues or shocktrain take to fire? The fact is you can do as well in a DBG as a Dash its how you play. All you who think the Dash bots are magical haven't run them much. All bots have pros and cons. The Horror.......... Peace Out!
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Post by SATmaster728 on Nov 15, 2017 11:58:21 GMT -5
and close to griffin health, and three med points, and energy shield, and galahad speed... Absolutely, but those you can overcome... if you can actually touch the thing before it zooms behind a building. Honestly, they should remove one dash... dash should be, as it was originally planned I think , a way to escape rockets, not a massive "you see me-I punch you in the face-you see me not in less than 3 seconds" thing. alone, yes. but them togethor is very powerful. a massive health reduction, to close to carnage, would be the best in my oponion.
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Post by snk on Nov 15, 2017 17:54:15 GMT -5
The bots you mentioned don’t counter Heachi, there are only few bots with physical shield is better than Heachi. You obviously dont run them much..... Everyone and their brother is running energy weapons now and takes aim at the dash bots. They die very very fast on any open terrain or when not being smart. I don’t have Heachi, but what are you smoking? Zeus Fury or Trebs counter everything. In fact, Heachi can get back to cover faster than most bot when they face a Zeus Fury. Probably you used to Heachi and forgot how other bots against Zeus Fury.
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Post by snk on Nov 15, 2017 17:58:56 GMT -5
It must be terrible to have one map out of seven where one might encounter some difficulty to actually wipe out whole hangars without dying. The horror, the horror... But then again... beacon rush pretty much solve the annoyance, does it not? It isn't just range maps I said open terrain, hard to get anywhere without moving. How long does a Zues or shocktrain take to fire? The fact is you can do as well in a DBG as a Dash its how you play. All you who think the Dash bots are magical haven't run them much. All bots have pros and cons. The Horror.......... Peace Out! Please use Griffin, then if you can tell me Griffin is better than Heachi facing a Zeus Fury. Oh, even in open map, Heachi can reach to a cover faster and better than a Griffin, jump is bad infront of Zeus. I can’t believe someone think just because Zeus and Shocktrain mean Heachi just like any other bot. Talk to the stats, only best of the best could reach 1m avg damage before Dash. However if you have full Dash now, you can reach 1m average 100 times easier.
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Post by Mammoth Mk-2 on Nov 15, 2017 18:11:18 GMT -5
So the Haechi is going to be nerfed. -%5 of speed. 5*45=225 225/100=2.25 As you can see the Haechi's speed get nerfed by 2.25 but on the test server, they nerfed it by 3. I want that 0.75 speed. What is your opinion on this matter? So you want that .75 km because a zues fury may actually counter your haechi? Pfffttt.
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Post by leavemealone on Nov 15, 2017 18:49:21 GMT -5
I can assure you their not exerting their best effort on balancing the bot. I cannot wait when Battle of titan hit android. Best effort? Huh? Effort? Oh boy! They're not even TRYING to balance it out! I KNOW!. they're doing it like "give a goody two shoe" but in reality they dont give rats 「bum-bum」. %5 is not a HUGE impact performance its barely noticeable
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Post by T34 on Nov 15, 2017 19:08:38 GMT -5
and close to griffin health, and three med points, and energy shield, and galahad speed... Absolutely, but those you can overcome... if you can actually touch the thing before it zooms behind a building. Honestly, they should remove one dash... dash should be, as it was originally planned I think , a way to escape rockets, not a massive "you see me-I punch you in the face-you see me not in less than 3 seconds" thing. The overall speed of the bot needs to include the dash ability. With dash it seems much faster overall than a galahad (IMO as haven’t run a full test). When you add gliding on top of that and the galahad’s decrease in speed with shield up the speed difference is considerable. The dash/glide is good for offence, defence and getting somewhere faster. Overall mine is a sneaky bot and it likes staying near cover while weapons/dash are recharging so a 5% decrease in speed is not going to do much in relation to the old meta. “in relation to the old meta” is the key concept to consider. The way Pixonic is going, the concept of “in relation to the old meta” is fading very fast. THese premium equipment are not being balanced with the old meta in mind. They are being balanced for the new premium meta. With this roadmap there will possibly be 3 classes of equipment. Silver stuff, gold/wsp stuff and premium stuff. Each balanced for its own category. Only blue whales will be able to deck out their hangers with the best equipment. Even tankers wont have a chance because the releases are faster than the resource accumulation potential of anyone playing the game in any manner (this is ohh so important). For a while I have been saying that balance is more important than availability. But on reflection i think I have been wrong because Pixonics intent is not an overall balance for the game but a balance for the different classes of equipment. If so, availability becomes more important because if pix designs an environment for different bands of equipment than only availability matters. So if you were to take on board my hypothesis than the balancing makes sense. The haechi is being balanced in relation to the Bulgie, kumi and inquisitor and in relation to the weapons load outs and functions of the premium bots. So the premium bots/weapons and their balancing does not suck but what does is the P2W strategy. And its pay to win bc the premium stuff is better and its priced at a point where only a small proportion of the population can afford a complete/significant portion of their hanger being occupied by Premium stuff. I do not think Pix will back flip on this ever. they probably rather sunset the game than back flip. If so the big question is whether the player base can be maintained above the collapse level.
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Post by Loganspawn on Nov 16, 2017 10:47:31 GMT -5
It isn't just range maps I said open terrain, hard to get anywhere without moving. How long does a Zues or shocktrain take to fire? The fact is you can do as well in a DBG as a Dash its how you play. All you who think the Dash bots are magical haven't run them much. All bots have pros and cons. The Horror.......... Peace Out! Please use Griffin, then if you can tell me Griffin is better than Heachi facing a Zeus Fury. Oh, even in open map, Heachi can reach to a cover faster and better than a Griffin, jump is bad infront of Zeus. I canât believe someone think just because Zeus and Shocktrain mean Heachi just like any other bot. Talk to the stats, only best of the best could reach 1m avg damage before Dash. However if you have full Dash now, you can reach 1m average 100 times easier. I do use griff's and everything else. You sound like a jealous 「female dog」. Its rock paper scissors there is a counter to to all bots. As far as damage if you play just for that then you are sad anyways. Maybe that is why the dash isn't so great to me as I do not just sit and use it for damage I try to win which means I need a variety to counter whatever bots I may encounter. Later dude.
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Post by beaconator2000 on Nov 16, 2017 11:05:17 GMT -5
Waiting for the day when we see a 2 slothangar in legend league.
Right now all you need is Shocktrain Haechi and Orkan Haechi, both mk2 lvl 12 and you are going straight to the top!
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Post by 「fluffernutter」eney on Nov 16, 2017 11:13:54 GMT -5
Remove a hard point, it shouldn't be too OP then. I agree. The K bot progression should have been: Kuhimo - 2 Mediums Haechi - 2 Mediums, 1 Light Bulgasari - 3 Mediums I guess my input wasn't heard when they were testing them out in development. If they adjust the hardpoints, I think it won't be so OP like it is today.
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