Photos of new MM and its effects

Yep, the number of games I am willing to play with the hope that MM might work in the future is zero.  Really, why should I even have hope that it will sort itself out?  The disparities I am seeing shouldn't even be possible match ups.

How is a skill based rating system supposed to account for a 3 bot hanger vs a 5 bot hanger, or lvl 1 bots vs lvl 10?

The apparent answer is that it does not.

I would try tanking your win rate to 0% if possible lol. The lower the better.

It is? Many of the comments here suggest otherwise. If things are sorting out, then it does give some much needed hope for us Android folks who have just been thrown into this utterly chaotic mess.

Not that I've noticed. It's one of several things.
Type 1. Fubar. Whole team is down in minutes.
Type 2. Better luck next time. Thought you were doing well, then the other team pulled out the big boys.
Type 3. Lucked out. Congrats, you won. It was maddeningly difficult but you managed to get 5th slot on your team.
Type 4. You're top dawg. You got 10 gold. The opposition were sissies.
(Type 5. Half your team quit.)

Type 1 and 2 match are far more common than Type 3. Type 4 is shockingly rare.

I'm in the same situation as you!
I hope we will soon see a glimpse of light otherwise I fear the worst...

I don't see 12/12 nonsense (thankfully), but I do so a lot of levelled wsp and heavy bots. If my lvl 5 Patton is deemed equivalent to a level 7 Rhino or level 10 Leo, then I have a 「dookie」 ton of upgrading to do before I'm going to be competitive in these matches.

Glad to be of help....but that remark on the treb shot happened to me as well as my intro to the new MM....the first hit I took in the new MM was a one shot kill by a triple Treb Fury on my gep from 900 meters.  I knew something had changed.  5 games later and a plethora of TT Furies and up against gold clans meant I scrapped my gep hanger for good and just stayed in my lo gold hanger.

If you lose a bit for awhile, you will start seeing better competition.  How much or how long is the unknown.

Okay, so 1 Android player retained....19,999,999 android players to go.

Cheers!

What is your hanger strength?  I take it you are Android and the MM just hit you.

Give the thread I wrote summarzing the new MM and it should make more sense.  If you are a Low/Mid strength hanger and have played enough to build up your Elo you have a few days of being the proverbial whipping boy ahead of you before the MM settles down, and it settles from the top down.


war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/1719/new-explained-theory-experience-ios

So the MM is starting to calm down for you at Heavy 6/7.  I take it you have a hanger with five slots, my guess is having a hanger of three is pulling the Elo of those 8/7 Heavies down and if they aren't great pilots either that might be a reasonably balanced opponent for you especially if you are a good pilot.  Looks like hanger strength is still factoring in your strongest bot either soley or heavily, so your hanger strength is probably based off that 6/7 heavy.

What is your win rate at?  Do the games feel close?  How is your performance, are you ending up in the top three often?  Are the damage spreads for each person on each team narrowing?

The 10/10 guy was someone who was still establishing his Elo, or someone who purposefully tanked his Elo to ride the easy wave up.  Either way, that kind of opponent should become less and less common.  Once that guys elo is developed he'll be playing up by me in what used to be High Gold.

PS.  Ouch, three lvl 10 Tridents on a low level bot is just brutal, I feel for your poor patton.

Where are some of the photos with a Lancelot with ancile in against level 1 Cossacks.

I think many have some misconceptions of this mm. 10-30 victories is not a factor it's last so many matches.

Playing 5 Cossack with shields gets 0 damage, yet they can get beacons, they going to be penalized?

Wonder why the Gep hangers and players are getting top pilot of the day still, and hour if this is better?

I'm going to give it a few days to see how much it evens out, but if win rate is the determining factor in an upgrade based game, I'm just going to quit. There is no reason why I should be punished for doing well and forced against top tier players, while Randy the 「special」 should be able to just stop all over weaker bots just because he has a 16% win rate. Yes, I could "just" level up all my bots and all my weapons and finally play on equal footing with people, but that would literally take months and I have no reason to play a game for months hoping that it all evens out. That would also be assuming that the game doesn't try to balance teams at all, since if a skilled player were maxed out, the system would then put them in a team full of Randys.

Pushing out a performance based match making system in an upgrade based game simply doesn't work. If I want to play a performance match made game, I'll play a game that is actually skill based and log onto League of Legends. If someone is playing this game with a super low win rate, they don't actually care about whether or not they win or lose. If they did, they would've quit. I care if I win. I am, bluntly, completely using this game as a morale boost. I'm well aware that I'm going to get bashed for that, because that's what people do on the internet.

All the same, the only beneficiary of this new system are the low performers, who clearly don't care how they're doing. If there isn't some sort of cap on match making such that your bots are actually a factor, I'm just going to dodge. No reason for me to play a game and keep upgrading when I'm going to be forced hovering 50-60% win rate regardless of how strong my bots are or how well I play. I met as well just sit around and flip a coin. /rant

Just ran a test match lowing my hanger to a weaponless lvl 6 Raijin, weaponless lvl6 Fuijin, lvl1 Fuijin with Punisher Ts, a weaponless lvl 6 Rhino, and a lvl 1 Cossack freshly bought.

I went from seeing my normal fare to an utter cluster of a game.  In the game on Red was a 3 man clan of 12/12 and 11/12 TT guys.  They had one H9/10 guy with a 42% winrate.  And an 8/10 guy with a 58% winrate. Their weakest player was a H7/7.5 L9/8 with an abysmal 36% win rate.  

Red
H12/12
H12/12
H11/12
H9/10  Win 42%
H8/10 Win 58%
H7/7.5 L9/8 36% Winrate

Blue
H7/9
H10/7 3 Slots
H 9/8 Win 42%
H7/8 Win 68%
H6/6 Win 44%
H6/6 Win 58%(Me)

The strongest player on Blue was a H7/9 guy or a 3 slot hanger guy whose best was a 10/7. We also had a H6/6 guy with 44% winrate. A H9/8 with 42% winrate. And one last guy with a H7/8 and 68% Winrate.

Ok, given what I've described and the fact I was pretty much running a weaponless setup... I did get over 20k damage, 3 beacons, and 1 kill!  We got slaughtered, it was a joke.

My normal hanger is a 9/9.7 with 58%winrate and the competition usually runs a touch stronger than me on average and I don't see really anything weaker than 8/8.  What I saw on blue equated to a huge drop in hanger strength and competence and turened into the random mess the Low/Mid guys are reporting in the MM.

Running a game with mynormal hanger now....

And the game was close, we got botted out with 2 minutes left... we ran up the score on beacons but spread ourselves too thin.  They sat and waited for us to move into their Aphids screen of death.  We had a strong win but five us us botted out within 30s of each other.  Looks like we were going to ride to the win when we got botted. I was third on my team with 6 kills, 594k, and 2 Beacons.
Strongest Bot on each team.

This was a bit stronger than I usually face, but overall it was a good match and looks like I was one that got bumped up to fight the TT Squad.  Even most of the 12/12 guys, not a one had a full 12/12 hanger, most had mixes and were closer to the 11/11 mark.

Blue
H12/12 50% Win
H12/12 46%Win
H10/12 40%Win
H9/9.7 58% Win(Me)
H10/11 42% Win 4Slots
H8/10 40% Win

Red
H12/12 44% Squadded
H12/12 42%
H10/11.25 L12/11 Win 64%
H10/11 56% Squadded
H9/11.7 40%
H9/10.25 54%



Basically running this experiment was a stark difference from my normal games, I dropped from my spot up where High Gold/Mediocre TT, down into the turbulance where everything was chaotic and nothing made sense.  This fits perfectly with my Med Hanger + Established Elo = Turbulance.  Essentially this is an easy test for me to see that the MM hasn't settled down in the H6/6 level yet, but is much much more settled up in 9/10ish.

Over 100 games this weekend and still getting crazy matchups that make no sense.

I'm not sure if this is the right thread to continue giving feedback about the new MM in iOS, but I followed dredd77's link from another thread, so here 'tis.

When hearing about the new MM, I learned that some combination of hangar strength + the mysterious Elo would determine who I'd be matched with and up against, in a fight. I thought that running a hangar of 2 2/10 lights and 3 4/9 mediums would get me into a fight with pilots running similar bots and weapon levels. Maybe all 4/10-12 lights, all 4/9 mediums, a mix like mine, whatever. I would not have been surprised to see some low heavies in there too. But that's not what seems to have happened at all.

What I see after nearly a week, is that MM builds teams with a variety of hangar levels. I'll see one guy running a maxed hangar, another 8/10 heavies or Gals, all 6/6 heavies, then pipsqueak hangars like mine. While teams may technically be balanced overall (each side has a maxed hangar, an 8/10 etc.) the level of players I team with and face is not balanced compared directly to my stats. The range of bot and weapon level runs the gamut.

And there's the rub, the problem with how Pixo has organized MM. On average, I'm in the mix with 3 or 4 hangars that I cannot compete with. While I have hangars superior to mine as allies, it's still not a balanced fight based on my personal levels. This means that if I'm lucky to be on the winning side, I deal minimal damage and have a miniscule chance at earning any gold. I sure as hell don't lead the squad in damage or kills, and the fragility of my bots in comparison to the firepower I face makes beacon capping nearly impossible. It's also not a lot of fun, as in-game I'm limited to grabbing -- or trying -- one beacon at the onset before getting dead, then trying to find something useful to do besides be someone else's seal to club.

Over the past 48 hours I've experimented with this. I ran my former day-to-day hangar mentioned above, I've run all L4 lights with < L9 wepaons, I've run my version of a gold hangar, and it makes no difference - MM still throws everyone together in one pot.

I don't think a new MM that throws 98-pound weaklings in the same ring with the muscle heads is the right approach. A "league" system where all hangars share similar ratings within a range would more sense, or at least IMHO, would lead to much better gameplay and would probably eliminate most of -- if not all - the complaints I've heard, many of which I share.