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Post by shivaswrath on Jan 24, 2017 11:20:16 GMT -5
i have only seen the bad part of the MM updates for iOS so far - my competition has gone up, my win rate has gone down from 62% to 55%, and i'm competing with some low level gold hangars (I have 8/7 boa, 6/7 Plasmahad, 6/6 Leo, and 8/6 griffin).
Would leave to see the HP for Leo to go up!
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Post by soulassassin on Jan 24, 2017 15:56:43 GMT -5
I'm getting pounded. I had pretty good stats. Level 7 and 8 bots with magnums, taran and aphids. But now I'm paired with guys spending thousands of dollars with 2 and 3 Fury couple with 3 Zeus all high level. I can't even get into the fight, and poof, it's over. Seriously pointless even playing at this point. Win rate went from low 70's to under 50, and damage is virtually 1/4 of what it was. I'm lucky to get 200K anymore.
Not a big fan of the new MM. To be honest, it's not very fun to be a punching bag. Essentially it made me the seal to be clubbed by all the heavy coiners.
So either I spend a bunch to even compete, wait until my stats suck so bad that I can get matched with like players, or just not play. Either way, I have seen my playing time dramatically reduced due to frustration.
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Post by whitecrow666 on Jan 24, 2017 18:27:15 GMT -5
I played 3 games on Android yesterday
My bots are level 8 10 10 10 9
Wepons all 9.
First game canyon i see Destrier bot go for center beacon.
My RDB 1 shot kills it.
Rest game is walk over i spend 90% game in RDB Win
Next game Shenzhen i spend 100% game in RDB games ends so fast my team has 5 beacons win.
3rd game i get cocky i thinck there be all low bots again.
I head straight to enmy with my level 9 Lancelot.
I had bad lag connection start notice 1 guy plays well gets beacons kicks 「bum-bum」.
Look after game all level 12 bots weps.
While rest his team low level what.
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Post by jazzykat on Jan 24, 2017 20:13:23 GMT -5
I'm legitimately curious if the people experiencing the greatest upheaval are those with the highest win % before the MM update. Also, I'd be curious to know if they were farming recently before the update.
I haven't farmed for 2 months and my win% is still somewhere in the 60% range and my opponents have definitely been all over the range. FYI I am at 7/8 heavies now. HOWEVER, I am much less frequently winning Au in matches as I have had to get a lot smarter and contribute by holding positions/creating diversions instead of wheeling around like lord death in each match because my bots are usually not good enough to just tank/mow the reds.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 20:36:30 GMT -5
I'm legitimately curious if the people experiencing the greatest upheaval are those with the highest win % before the MM update. Also, I'd be curious to know if they were farming recently before the update. I haven't farmed for 2 months and my win% is still somewhere in the 60% range and my opponents have definitely been all over the range. FYI I am at 7/8 heavies now. HOWEVER, I am much less frequently winning Au in matches as I have had to get a lot smarter and contribute by holding positions/creating diversions instead of wheeling around like lord death in each match because my bots are usually not good enough to just tank/mow the reds. I haven't farmed in a long time... though I probably "farmed" or "clubbed" for my first few hundred wins before I really even knew what that was. I've run both a 4/8 and 2/8 medium hangar as my main. I don't have stuff better than that, just stockpiling resources and was trying to level some weapon sets up to level 9-10. I had a 88% win rate before the MM change came down. Now I'm in matches with all sort of crazy opponents - wsp and au bots everywhere, and lots of level 9-12 heavies. I just ran into Stew Pendous from Iron Smile in a match - he's got a 10/11+ hangar and he was only in the middle of the pack when the match was over. Needless to say, my 4-5/8 mediums were at the bottom of the standings. I guess the main thing is that its not all that enjoyable. Yes, I can still contribute to the win and sometimes do a lot of damage if I play at the top of my game. But my bots are fragile compared to what I'm up against and I don't have any firepower advantage, and it sometimes feels like a lot of work to fight uphill to whole match and not get any kind of damage / beacon reward for my efforts in the end. I'm basically working hard to tread water at the lower edge of whatever bracket my rating/damage/weapons have put me in.
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Post by zman on Jan 24, 2017 20:39:34 GMT -5
Yep, a lot of people with Mid Strength hangers who play a lot are getting pounded by the new MM. if you check the Sticky in General about the new MM O explain why this is happening and how the MM isnsorting everything out. Basically it boils down to...
Mid Strength Hanger + Established Elo = High Strength Hanger + Default Elo
Basically, once you establish your Elo you are stuck sorting all the new to system guys with stronger hangers upwards.
Anyone who was riding the hard cap at the top of Bronze or Silver get the worst of it. Also, people who were running weapon levels much higher than Bot levels.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 24, 2017 20:41:59 GMT -5
So everyone on here.
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Post by whatttupG on Jan 24, 2017 23:09:24 GMT -5
I'm legitimately curious if the people experiencing the greatest upheaval are those with the highest win % before the MM update. Also, I'd be curious to know if they were farming recently before the update. I haven't farmed for 2 months and my win% is still somewhere in the 60% range and my opponents have definitely been all over the range. FYI I am at 7/8 heavies now. HOWEVER, I am much less frequently winning Au in matches as I have had to get a lot smarter and contribute by holding positions/creating diversions instead of wheeling around like lord death in each match because my bots are usually not good enough to just tank/mow the reds. I haven't farmed in a long time... though I probably "farmed" or "clubbed" for my first few hundred wins before I really even knew what that was. I've run both a 4/8 and 2/8 medium hangar as my main. I don't have stuff better than that, just stockpiling resources and was trying to level some weapon sets up to level 9-10. I had a 88% win rate before the MM change came down. Now I'm in matches with all sort of crazy opponents - wsp and au bots everywhere, and lots of level 9-12 heavies. I just ran into Stew Pendous from Iron Smile in a match - he's got a 10/11+ hangar and he was only in the middle of the pack when the match was over. Needless to say, my 4-5/8 mediums were at the bottom of the standings. I guess the main thing is that its not all that enjoyable. Yes, I can still contribute to the win and sometimes do a lot of damage if I play at the top of my game. But my bots are fragile compared to what I'm up against and I don't have any firepower advantage, and it sometimes feels like a lot of work to fight uphill to whole match and not get any kind of damage / beacon reward for my efforts in the end. I'm basically working hard to tread water at the lower edge of whatever bracket my rating/damage/weapons have put me in. I'll volunteer. I'm on android and have gone 2.5 and can report that yeah, the MM has been updated alright... sadly though, anyone that wasn't already running a 5 slot hanger full of buzz saw's is now perma-screwed. To get to a competitive level with what I now get matched with, I only need about 10 or 12k in gold for new bots (Galahad's or Fury's, both 2500 each) and maybe 15k in workshop points for some Stalkers. I'm thinking maybe I can cap a little first, then shut the door by feeding you Trident until you puke so yeah, I'll totally be needing a balanced hanger lol. Oh wait... ok... I need maybe another 5k or so more gold for some Orkan's and another 20k+ WSP for Taran's. Oh wait again... almost forgot, I also am gonna need like 300M in silver and 6 months so I can upgrade everything to level 12. Since that's what I gotta fight now, that's what I gotta bring... So all told, I'm only like 32k away in gold, 40k away in WSP, a quarter billion away in silver away from stacking my deck so we can fight fair again... ohhhh I can't wait!!! Now as soon as I figure out how to get out of last place in damage, not be a liability to my team and maybe stop losing every match, I am so gonna stockpile mad stacks!!! edit: oh crud, kinda got carried away and forgot 5k for that fifth slot and a six pack of Tridents... hmm....
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Post by jazzykat on Jan 24, 2017 23:53:20 GMT -5
Yep, a lot of people with Mid Strength hangers who play a lot are getting pounded by the new MM. if you check the Sticky in General about the new MM O explain why this is happening and how the MM isnsorting everything out. Basically it boils down to... Mid Strength Hanger + Established Elo = High Strength Hanger + Default Elo Basically, once you establish your Elo you are stuck sorting all the new to system guys with stronger hangers upwards. Anyone who was riding the hard cap at the top of Bronze or Silver get the worst of it. Also, people who were running weapon levels much higher than Bot levels. Someone should put this at the top of the thread and close it. Otherwise it's just going to be page after page of people suffering and/or threatening to quit. So yeah, I've been useless way more than normal but I haven't gotten it nearly as rough as I'm hearing from others. So if a middle player say waited a month or so until this all works its way out they would club on the little guy for a while and then get established to their level never seeing the top tier who have already been sorted up?
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Post by zman on Jan 24, 2017 23:58:39 GMT -5
Yep, a lot of people with Mid Strength hangers who play a lot are getting pounded by the new MM. if you check the Sticky in General about the new MM O explain why this is happening and how the MM isnsorting everything out. Basically it boils down to... Mid Strength Hanger + Established Elo = High Strength Hanger + Default Elo Basically, once you establish your Elo you are stuck sorting all the new to system guys with stronger hangers upwards. Anyone who was riding the hard cap at the top of Bronze or Silver get the worst of it. Also, people who were running weapon levels much higher than Bot levels. Someone should put this at the top of the thread and close it. Otherwise it's just going to be page after page of people suffering and/or threatening to quit. So if a middle player say waited a month or so until this all works its way out they would club on the little guy for a while and then get established to their level never seeing the top tier who have already been sorted up? Yep, basically. If you logged in next week you'd never see the TT guys, you'd have too easy matches that got smoothly and progressively harder till you found your place. But, throw it on all at once and it's mass chaos for a while.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jan 25, 2017 6:57:39 GMT -5
I haven't farmed in a long time... though I probably "farmed" or "clubbed" for my first few hundred wins before I really even knew what that was. I've run both a 4/8 and 2/8 medium hangar as my main. I don't have stuff better than that, just stockpiling resources and was trying to level some weapon sets up to level 9-10. I had a 88% win rate before the MM change came down. Now I'm in matches with all sort of crazy opponents - wsp and au bots everywhere, and lots of level 9-12 heavies. I just ran into Stew Pendous from Iron Smile in a match - he's got a 10/11+ hangar and he was only in the middle of the pack when the match was over. Needless to say, my 4-5/8 mediums were at the bottom of the standings. I guess the main thing is that its not all that enjoyable. Yes, I can still contribute to the win and sometimes do a lot of damage if I play at the top of my game. But my bots are fragile compared to what I'm up against and I don't have any firepower advantage, and it sometimes feels like a lot of work to fight uphill to whole match and not get any kind of damage / beacon reward for my efforts in the end. I'm basically working hard to tread water at the lower edge of whatever bracket my rating/damage/weapons have put me in. I'll volunteer. I'm on android and have gone 2.5 and can report that yeah, the MM has been updated alright... sadly though, anyone that wasn't already running a 5 slot hanger full of buzz saw's is now perma-screwed. To get to a competitive level with what I now get matched with, I only need about 10 or 12k in gold for new bots (Galahad's or Fury's, both 2500 each) and maybe 15k in workshop points for some Stalkers. I'm thinking maybe I can cap a little first, then shut the door by feeding you Trident until you puke so yeah, I'll totally be needing a balanced hanger lol. Oh wait... ok... I need maybe another 5k or so more gold for some Orkan's and another 20k+ WSP for Taran's. Oh wait again... almost forgot, I also am gonna need like 300M in silver and 6 months so I can upgrade everything to level 12. Since that's what I gotta fight now, that's what I gotta bring... So all told, I'm only like 32k away in gold, 40k away in WSP, a quarter billion away in silver away from stacking my deck so we can fight fair again... ohhhh I can't wait!!! Now as soon as I figure out how to get out of last place in damage, not be a liability to my team and maybe stop losing every match, I am so gonna stockpile mad stacks!!! edit: oh crud, kinda got carried away and forgot 5k for that fifth slot and a six pack of Tridents... hmm.... Well, my experience, I run 6/8-9 heavys. 3 Griffins lvl 6 (Orkan/Aphid, rdb, plasma) 1 Rhino lvl 6. Hellfire 1 Galahad lvl 7. Plasma I was 80+ win rate going into new MM & knocked down to 54% Played 22ish battles 2 days ago Played 10 battles yesterday, won 8/10 to complete tasks. I am now at 64% win rate. I've had some 12/12 battles as well, got cooked some & held my own on others (we won the battle!!) It has only been a few days with new system on a game that has been out for 2 years. I dont think alot of players a giving the system a chance to work. *Maybe take a few+ days break and let more of TT & upper level heavy bots pilots get settled. I have been frustrated at some of the battles as well, but I like to compete. I try to learn from my tough and/or close matches. I review hangers of reds and blues that outperformed me. Just my random tboughts
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Post by Deadalready on Jan 25, 2017 7:47:31 GMT -5
Well new match making has dropped and initially I found my games felt pretty "fair" running my Silver hangar, none of the TT guys everyone was seeing in sight. Today many TT guys and the only thing I could contribute to battles was beacon running (which is agonising in a Boa but still faster than heavies). I'm not sure I've stabilised but I am definitely seeing players closer to my hangar level/bot level at moment, as time passes I assume I'll settle even further into my correct place.
+My general thoughts are that games are much tighter and I need to seriously work extremely to earn top 3. +Quite a number of WORKING bot varieties +Reds are definitely far more skilled and so are my allies. +Geps finally got a nerf +Clubbers got an ironic taste of their own medicine
-Most of my games I'll place average (occasionally netting me 1 gold) -I am definitely missing the feeling of being top player most of my games -I die way faster due to higher skill levels -Lower level players really shouldn't ever be matched with TT -General bot level of opponents are still above my own
I'm looking at this positively, this change needed to happen for a long time and this is only the beginning. We can expect many patches as they fine tune and fix the problems as they appear. For those who are threatening to leave (or have already), GOOD. I think most of us needed to be reminded that we are not the biggest fish in the pond. Furthermore if your reaction to adversity or difficulty is to quit, then holy hell life is going to teach you!
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 25, 2017 9:04:30 GMT -5
My experience is almost word for word the same as Deadalready. I love seeing the variety as opposed to the tier meta bots and frakenbots only. Lights (and by lights I mean Stalkers, Geps and Gareths) have a new place and relevance even against high level bots but mid level Ag mediums seem to be the new whipping boys while Ag lights have no place at the table. I miss the gold income but love the challenge and variety.
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Post by crave1ne on Jan 25, 2017 9:40:10 GMT -5
I'm seeing the really unbalanced matchups now. Ive played enough that my rating should be somewhat established, which seemed to have put me in a place where bots (regardless of weight class) can be up to level 12 and weapons average around 7-8. I run 4/8 meds so basically everyone is much tougher than me even in the winnable matcges. But if I win 2 in a row, then I get this: Everyone in this match as way better gear than me, regardless of how ?poo-poo?ty their play is. Two opponents had max tridents and they just tore apart my level 4 bots like they were tissue paper. Again, I've played plenty of games at this point... this shouldn't be about figuring out where I belong. Honestly, it already has me pegged too high as it is. Nor is this about one random red establishing his rating... Everyone here was 9/9+ wsp/au heavies and the game made some attempt to balance the gear on the sides. It just seems like some basic sanity check is missing. The fact this keeps happening is frustrating and is encouraging me to drop / tank so I don't have to waste my time dealing with this ?poo-poo?. Myself and others in our clan with similar HB/Last Stand hangars are seeing the exact same thing. I have some games where i can't even get one shot out before being destroyed by lvl 12 bots. I've had some games where it seemed to be even. highest lvl being only 6 heavies, with lvl 8 weapons. Those I seem to shine in. The rest are as you are dealing with. Keep at it, hoping to see the light at the end of the tunnel..
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Post by Trogon on Jan 25, 2017 9:43:24 GMT -5
For whatever reason, my experience with the Android change has been mostly "meh". Main thing I've noticed is that the competition seems to be better on average, which is a good thing. It's like night and day compared to the crazy madness that I'm still seeing on iOS. Weird.
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Post by soulassassin on Jan 25, 2017 11:49:12 GMT -5
It's official, I'm quickly losing interest in this game. It's so frustrating. I didn't farm gold, and played my level, did fine. Now I'm paired with 12/12's all day. My 6-8/8-9 are getting worked. I don't contribute, get taran and magnum blasted to death, or Zeus all day. I have zero interest in essentially being seal clubbed by the game. I have no idea how they're matching, but I don't belong in an all gold TT match whatsoever.
And it's only gotten worse. I'd say I'm about 5/30 wins to loses. My 4 bots are gone in seconds. At this rate, I either spend a grand to compete, or get blasted for the next 6 months while I try to level up.
Please tell me again how this is enjoyable?
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Post by g384 on Jan 25, 2017 12:14:26 GMT -5
Some wordy by Pix about the new MM: warrobots/new-matchmaking-what-it-is-all-about-and-whats-next-69698fcc7929#.brqq72qn9" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">medium.com/ warrobots/new-matchmaking-what-it-is-all-about-and-whats-next-69698fcc7929#.brqq72qn9
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Post by chaosjunior on Jan 25, 2017 15:45:58 GMT -5
It's official, I'm quickly losing interest in this game. It's so frustrating. I didn't farm gold, and played my level, did fine. Now I'm paired with 12/12's all day. My 6-8/8-9 are getting worked. I don't contribute, get taran and magnum blasted to death, or Zeus all day. I have zero interest in essentially being seal clubbed by the game. I have no idea how they're matching, but I don't belong in an all gold TT match whatsoever. And it's only gotten worse. I'd say I'm about 5/30 wins to loses. My 4 bots are gone in seconds. At this rate, I either spend a grand to compete, or get blasted for the next 6 months while I try to level up. Please tell me again how this is enjoyable? I can completely sign this post.
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Post by truechill on Jan 25, 2017 15:52:11 GMT -5
Some wordy by Pix about the new MM: warrobots/new-matchmaking-what-it-is-all-about-and-whats-next-69698fcc7929#.brqq72qn9" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">medium.com/ warrobots/new-matchmaking-what-it-is-all-about-and-whats-next-69698fcc7929#.brqq72qn9 Sounds good. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 26, 2017 6:16:48 GMT -5
+Clubbers got an ironic taste of their own medicine Wish that was true. The real hardcore clubbers running 2/12 hangars can now slap their weapons on heavy robots and be pretty competetive with 7/12ish lineups (heavy robot upgrade from 6 to 7 is typically just over a day). Stock robots (Griffs, Leos, even Natashas) will do the trick here.
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Post by hazmatt on Jan 26, 2017 6:53:57 GMT -5
I hope pix starts tracking beacon liberations and captures and uses those figures in the new Matchmaking. I'm tired of being teamed with idiots that never cap a beacon. I can have 6+ caps in a match and the rest of my team has 2 combined. That makes it hard to win with 3+ players on the other team capping beacons evenly.
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Post by Trogon on Jan 26, 2017 9:07:45 GMT -5
For whatever reason, my experience with the Android change has been mostly "meh". Main thing I've noticed is that the competition seems to be better on average, which is a good thing. It's like night and day compared to the crazy madness that I'm still seeing on iOS. Weird. Regretfully I must revise my initial assessment. The crap has come to Android for me now. I played solo for 1.5 hours last night and did not win a single game. Top tier everywhere. Fun times.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 26, 2017 11:54:56 GMT -5
For whatever reason, my experience with the Android change has been mostly "meh". Main thing I've noticed is that the competition seems to be better on average, which is a good thing. It's like night and day compared to the crazy madness that I'm still seeing on iOS. Weird. Regretfully I must revise my initial assessment. The crap has come to Android for me now. I played solo for 1.5 hours last night and did not win a single game. Top tier everywhere. Fun times. I saw the same last night, but every one of the major mismatches involved squads... and I saw a LOT more squads than previously over the past few days. Even if the squad was small, like 2 people, they were maxed, and if the other team didn't have squads there was usually one player that was max or close to max. It did seem that the majority of the non-squadders were around my competitive level. I have asked others in my clan if they saw the same, but so far I only know of one that was seeing the same thing around the time I was... makes me wonder if at low population times, fillers of any level get added in to any squad matches. Just curious if anyone else's badly matched games have any squads on either side... that seems to be the wildcard in my matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 13:10:21 GMT -5
Will start by saying, I am not ranting. I will suck it up, buttercup.
But my experience on Android has been different than what I read about iOS. Instead of initial craziness, followed by gradual settling, Android changes for me started slowly, with good, but increasingly tough matchups over the past few days. Win rate dropped into the high 50-60% range. All good.
But last night, for the first time since I started playing 2 months ago, I failed to finish a task. Got 8/10 wins. Must have lost about 25 times, and they were not even close. all Blue meched out every game. Lost 3 more times this morning before work. And these losses are bad. Reds are marching into our spawn and vaporizing my team within maybe 3 minutes. Sometimes squads, sometimes not, but always level 10 plus bots wearing 10/11 weapons. My damage has dropped to 330k average, kills down to 2.5, and win rate at 40%.
Hoping the past 24 hours were just a bump in the road and not the new norm.
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Post by g384 on Jan 26, 2017 14:35:58 GMT -5
I saw the same last night, but every one of the major mismatches involved squads... and I saw a LOT more squads than previously over the past few days. Even if the squad was small, like 2 people, they were maxed, and if the other team didn't have squads there was usually one player that was max or close to max. It did seem that the majority of the non-squadders were around my competitive level. That's the same for me. Maxed squads on the enemy team and one solo maxed in my team. All others are around my level 6/8, 7/9. Ain't fun.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jan 26, 2017 17:02:29 GMT -5
* I'm on Android. * My hanger 6/8-9 heavys. - 7 weps left to get all 9's + a lvl 7 Galahad & Carnage
I had my win rate up to 62% at start of yesterday & started my new (Win 8 task). I was Rollin Hard at 7/8 Wins! Then I slammed the wall and lost 3 straight. I was hoping to get back into 70's win rate. I did see a mix of bots & some clans running w some 12/12.
I know competition is getting better overall w the occasional max 12/12 reds, but usually they have been on both sides. I did also see a level 15 & 20 pilot on my team one match (whew, that must have been brutal for them)
I.am just trying to role with it all! + Battles have way more competition + Battles usually last close to 7-8 mins + I am improving my game (awareness) dont want to step out in front of lvl 1w weps!!
Going to be trying to look for the good during the conversion.
Just my thoughts, yours may differ
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 26, 2017 19:13:09 GMT -5
Biggest frustrations are not loses, but wins where I fail to make ANY Au. There is always one other light bot hangar with better light bots. I'm paying for my stubbornness. New hangar soon.
Secret Silver lining: Not knowing bot levels by tier anymore. That Leo may be a 12/12 BAMF, or a 6/5 creampuff. Recon matters.
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Post by g384 on Jan 27, 2017 2:20:35 GMT -5
I quit today. After 4 days of constantly losing against 12/12 bots and teammates only camping and doing nothing this game has really turned into crap. Befor new MM I had a constant win rate of around 60/70% now I am under 10% because I get blown from the map within minutes by hi level players. So instead of getting farmed by geps I am now getting farmed by 12/12 .... well done pix and bye!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 3:13:50 GMT -5
By way of update, yesterday may have been just a speed bump, or maybe I have finally convinced the mm that my 6/7 heavy hangar won't compete vs all 10/11 guys.
Today's games were about 50/50 for me, but all were competitive and I felt I contributed significantly in every match. Lowest bots I faced are still around level 8-10, but I can handle being *almost* on equal footing.
Hope others see improvement as well.
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Post by ronin on Jan 27, 2017 10:10:39 GMT -5
By way of update, yesterday may have been just a speed bump, or maybe I have finally convinced the mm that my 6/7 heavy hangar won't compete vs all 10/11 guys. Today's games were about 50/50 for me, but all were competitive and I felt I contributed significantly in every match. Lowest bots I faced are still around level 8-10, but I can handle being *almost* on equal footing. Hope others see improvement as well. Yes, I honestly think game have become better. I am still not sure if I dare to try and change any of my bots (when I tried it yesterday I was against lvl 12 bots with lvl12 weapons) but if I do not make any changes things look pretty good. But I do feel sorry for these people who have only 3 slots and lvl 10-12 bots with high lvl weapons.. I have a feeling that they are in HUGE disadvantages.
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