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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Jan 23, 2017 11:46:55 GMT -5
Congratz on your promotion to Moderator!
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 23, 2017 12:01:50 GMT -5
Fιεχροιητ™ Hey thanks! I've gotten so much out of this place, nice to be able to help in return
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 23, 2017 12:16:53 GMT -5
Android pilots - good luck with the transition on the new MM. Like others have said, hang in there, don't try to understand it too much, just play.
Hope your experience is better than the IOS one. At least if you've been following along, you have some idea of what is coming.
I would say my matches as of today running a 6/9 heavy hanger at 50-60% win rate are getting better after 5 days in. As others have said, fewer 12/12 pilots in random squads. Still can't run squads of 6 without pulling in 12/12 squads but we have learned to adjust a bit when we can by running with two 12/12 pilots and. the rest of us lvl 9-10 wep pilots. We only lost to top tier clan squads this morning with this approach but now my stupid win rate is 78% so I will have to solo and get kicked for awhile to get it back to normal range. Now to just rent some 12/12 pilots when needed to squad.....I see a new business model for top tier pilots to rent their services to us middling folks.
Cheers and best wishes!
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Post by jazzykat on Jan 23, 2017 12:29:44 GMT -5
played a few matches. One of the matches I lost their top spot was 11/12 heavies with a 48% wins. For reference, I have 6/8 heavies.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 23, 2017 12:33:26 GMT -5
Fιεχροιητ™ Hey thanks! I've gotten so much out of this place, nice to be able to help in return Thread detour Dredd77....thank you for stepping up to moderate. Appreciate all you and the other moderators have already done now and in the past to keep us inline and on task. Back to MM discussion
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 12:50:08 GMT -5
played a few matches. One of the matches I lost their top spot was 11/12 heavies with a 48% wins. For reference, I have 6/8 heavies. I am seeing stuff like this too. My approach has been to play whatever is put before me, but these games are so poor that they are actually encouraging me to just tank and build my score up from zero because everything is in too much flux atm.
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Post by funyun on Jan 23, 2017 13:11:08 GMT -5
Android pilots - good luck with the transition on the new MM. Like others have said, hang in there, don't try to understand it too much, just play.Hope your experience is better than the IOS one. At least if you've been following along, you have some idea of what is coming. I would say my matches as of today running a 6/9 heavy hanger at 50-60% win rate are getting better after 5 days in. As others have said, fewer 12/12 pilots in random squads. Still can't run squads of 6 without pulling in 12/12 squads but we have learned to adjust a bit when we can by running with two 12/12 pilots and. the rest of us lvl 9-10 wep pilots. We only lost to top tier clan squads this morning with this approach but now my stupid win rate is 78% so I will have to solo and get kicked for awhile to get it back to normal range. Now to just rent some 12/12 pilots when needed to squad.....I see a new business model for top tier pilots to rent their services to us middling folks. Cheers and best wishes! Funny, the reason I sought this place out was to understand how the game worked. Now its becoming apparent that Pixonic really does not want people to figure it out and just wants everyone to have a 50% win rate.
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Post by crave1ne on Jan 23, 2017 13:19:46 GMT -5
I'm on Android, and i swear we got hit before today. I've been playing my 4/6-7 hangar for the past week and have seen nothing but heavies in every battle. This past weekend i started seeing Galahads in with us. my hangar is straight up a HB-Last Stand and I'm playing games with guys in HS all the time.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 23, 2017 13:21:26 GMT -5
Android pilots - good luck with the transition on the new MM. Like others have said, hang in there, don't try to understand it too much, just play.Hope your experience is better than the IOS one. At least if you've been following along, you have some idea of what is coming. I would say my matches as of today running a 6/9 heavy hanger at 50-60% win rate are getting better after 5 days in. As others have said, fewer 12/12 pilots in random squads. Still can't run squads of 6 without pulling in 12/12 squads but we have learned to adjust a bit when we can by running with two 12/12 pilots and. the rest of us lvl 9-10 wep pilots. We only lost to top tier clan squads this morning with this approach but now my stupid win rate is 78% so I will have to solo and get kicked for awhile to get it back to normal range. Now to just rent some 12/12 pilots when needed to squad.....I see a new business model for top tier pilots to rent their services to us middling folks. Cheers and best wishes! Funny, the reason I sought this place out was to understand how the game worked. Now its becoming apparent that Pixonic really does not want people to figure it out and just wants everyone to have a 50% win rate. Remember, there was an established MM that everyone was geared for. Now, it's brand new. NOTHING that used to matter is having an effect. Turmoil. That is the word that best describes how things are going to be for a while if iOS is the model to follow. It is a complete change from the ground up. Deffo not an overnight change. Will it get better? Supposed to. How long will it take? Very good question. Hopefully the iOS guys that have been objective about the whole thing will continue to update us, maybe give an idea as to what it takes to stay competitive. Here's hoping. Pix has been pretty closemouthed for a while even on the old system, but they did disclose to a few people who disseminated the info out to us. I imagine, once some concrete info is gained, that we will get a little guidance. For now, it is wacky and very unlikely to provide good games. As everyone logs in and gets an Elo score/rating established, maybe it will act as it was meant to.
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Post by crave1ne on Jan 23, 2017 13:23:25 GMT -5
oh, and forgot to mention. This started happening right after i upgraded to 2.5. At first I wasn't seeing many players with their mag/gep set ups. But I played two matches today that still had 4 players on the field with either mag/geps, or aphid/geps. I refuse to purchase mags because i can't stand the way they sound after hearing repeated rapid fire for 10 min straight from these seal clubbers. Now I'm starting to hate aphids with this new bump. Not only geps, griffins, fricken patton's with aphids..... so annoying!!!
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 23, 2017 13:23:26 GMT -5
don't try to understand it too much, just play. Funny, the reason I sought this place out was to understand how the game worked. Now its becoming apparent that Pixonic really does not want people to figure it out and just wants everyone to have a 50% win rate. the reason I said this is that the new MM is still being sorted out. The advice on this forum is adjusting to the new realities, but that will also take some time as I'm sure Pixo will keep tweaking but not talking. So the new advice on the forum is to rethink a lot of the things that used to give pilots competitive advantage equipment wise based on the old "tier" structure....weps +2 vs bots, hanger scores where you could figure out equivalency on light/med/heavy bots and weps, etc. Now keep bots and weps close (within 1), but weps still leading, balanced hangers are even more important as dominant equipment is less likely or useful at lower levels, and you can play whatever you want without penalty but also without choice of competition. So don't think that the forums are useless, it is just a period of adjustment as well on the site. New advice is springing up everywhere - just have to sort thru the complaints to find it sometimes (and I'm guilty of sharing both).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 15:15:37 GMT -5
Only 5 matches played today (small sample size, I know), but all have been good competitive bouts. No one getting more than 600k damage or so. There are some higher level bots out there (level 9 stalker and level 8 rhino on red my last match), but nothing overwhelming. I am still seeing plenty of punisher/molot clad Griffs. I think the new MM has quickly identified me as a pud-knocker, and is leaving me alone to remain in my normal confines of lowish silver pilots.
Hope everyone weathers the storm okay.
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Post by FunkenA on Jan 23, 2017 16:02:55 GMT -5
my matches have been so out of whack that I started turning my bot backwards and walk up and down then battlefield not taking a single shot.
My protest.. I want competition closer to my lvl not extremes upwards and downwards, and I sure as hell don't want to wait another year before I have my 5 lacelots with lvl 12 weps so I can finally be against equal competition at the top instead of the extreme hodge podge were seeing now
BUT I can see my ability to farm is probably coming ot an end., and that will take the joy out of the game. I play to upgrade and advance... Playing to just be challenged is not why I play. I like building exapanding and upgrading as the fruits of my playing
I don't think this new MM will match my hope and expectations reading thru others experience on IOS
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 16:21:12 GMT -5
I can't say about yesterday, but I definitely have seen it today. But no worries I made it through the iOS "Big Change" I'll make it through this one too. I have been running my low silver tier in android and had consistently been matched against lvl 8 bots and lvl 6 to 8 weapons.
Silver tier all level 4 bots, lvl 9 weapons. 2 boa's, 2 vityaz's and a golem. Getting ready to load low gold. All level 7 bots with lvl 9 weapons to see the results of that change.
But still getting kills, beacons and causing damage. And the Old man is still having fun.
Old man wanders off and is heard mumbling" Now why is it I am I playing both platform again?"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 17:08:23 GMT -5
Just ran my low gold hangar for a couple of battles. Some lvl 9 bots with lower level weapons.
Some like fuzzy waffle and his Cossacks, just poured syrup on them and had a nice snack.
Old man thinking he should head to kitchen and see what else there is to eat.
Old man rambles off and yells out, "Old woman! What's for dinner? I'm hungry. Just had a snack and it wasn't enough."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 17:14:46 GMT -5
dangit - I see the same with my silver hangar on Android... My 2/8 meds vs 8/6-7-8 heavies. After a streak of losses I took a different approach and loaded up my light bots with Ecus. Starting opposition didn't look much different. 5 wins and 25 gold later, and I'm with 10/10 heavies. Since I did zero damage in those games, it looks like winning is all that counts as neither my hangar nor my offensive output would warrant me being stuck with the big boys.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 17:37:12 GMT -5
dangit - I see the same with my silver hangar on Android... My 2/8 meds vs 8/6-7-8 heavies. After a streak of losses I took a different approach and loaded up my light bots with Ecus. Starting opposition didn't look much different. 5 wins and 25 gold later, and I'm with 10/10 heavies. Since I did zero damage in those games, it looks like winning is all that counts as neither my hangar nor my offensive output would warrant me being stuck with the big boys. My best advice I can give you, is to pick the toughest bots you have with your highest lvl weapons and run that hangar consistently. It will work out over time. You just have to be patient. I know it is rough at first. But it will work out. I have totally given up on the tier concept in the iOS platform and have already dropped my silver tier in Android and am playing my low gold tier. Yes I will miss that part and of course loading my lvl 1 Cossacks with lvl 1 gau-t's in both platforms and just hopping around for a diversion from the bigger guys. But it seems that is the way the future will be. In IT we always told someone when we rolled out a new platform or system, that change is good. Even with all the gripes and negative comments, sooner or later everybody was happy and didn't know what they would do without it. Old man sure is glad he is retired.
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Post by truechill on Jan 23, 2017 18:40:37 GMT -5
Are you guys sure the MM changed for android? I am not seeing any difference. I run an almost 4/8 medium bots hanger (still have some upgrading to do) and I am still seeing about the same competition. In the bulk of my games run into 6/5 heavies, Gepards, the occasional WSP bot, and a whole lot of terrible hangers piloted by confused players. Mileage varies from time to time. There is the occasional absurdly strong or weak hanger. I haven't seen any change in the norm today. The only real significant change I noticed was that after 2.5 Gepards became a bit easier to deal with. My hanger and my last match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 18:57:12 GMT -5
I'm definitely sure my low silver tier has never seen low gold tier before. And it hurts so bad. Been looking at all profiles for both teams after a battle, and definitely it's here.
But I'm glad you aren't seeing yet, maybe you with your hangar, stats and whatever else it figures in are in a somewhat balanced state already.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 23, 2017 19:08:06 GMT -5
Are you guys sure the MM changed for android? I am not seeing any difference. I run an almost 4/8 medium bots hanger (still have some upgrading to do) and I am still seeing about the same competition. In the bulk of my games run into 6/5 heavies, Gepards, the occasional WSP bot, and a whole lot of terrible hangers piloted by confused players. Mileage varies from time to time. There is the occasional absurdly strong or weak hanger. I haven't seen any change in the norm today. The only real significant change I noticed was that after 2.5 Gepards became a bit easier to deal with. My hanger and my last match. Truechill, I am seeing the same thing... Except I am running 7/9 mediums and a 9/9.5 light. Some of my clan mates are seeing crazy matchups, some aren't. Something has changed... just not sure how many people are affected yet... may be a phased rollout like someone said in another post... or... IDK. BTW, my win % is in the mid 60s. *shrugs*
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jan 23, 2017 19:27:35 GMT -5
I have played around 17-20 battles today & there were definitely some wild swings in the reds & blues. I have a 6/8-9 heavy hanger. I saw some Cossacks flying around in some & some 12/12 hangers in others. I would say it is here. I broke 500k ave dam @ 80% win rate, got into low-med 80's win rate last week. This is were MM has usually started beating me down & that started yesterday for me. Then today one of my tasks I was 30 Au / 8 wins. Took me around 15 matches. My win rate was somewhere in 60's. Was looking at my blues & many had win rates of 35% - 45%. I could not win many battles, way frustrating!! I am now around 56% ?poo-poo?ty!! *On a positive note today - broke my high score from 917k up to 938k!!! *Was able to hold my own with some TT pilots in a Battle, we beat REACTOR from Iron Smiles: Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment DeletedTry to look for the positives fellow pilots!! Hopefully we will all have better, more competitive matches soon!! See you on the battlefield!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 19:31:23 GMT -5
When running low silver in Android my win % was 80 or slightly higher. When running low gold, it would drop to between 70 and 72. It has now dropped to 66% which is fine. And some of my battles have been tougher than I can remember.
I have 1500 victories and a 5 slot hangar, level 30 player, so I don't know if any of that factors in.
But definitely being one of those nasty random players, I have seen a difference today in players from both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 19:32:33 GMT -5
truechill it has definitely changed for me today. Was running 2/8 mediums with 88% win rate. First match today a 10/7 Rajin with 2 Zeus hunkered down on the center beacon on Springfield while his trident carnage teammates pounded anyone trying to close. Played around 7 matches where the top guy had at least one level 10 bot (there was a 12/9 stalker in there somewhere), only won 2. Decided to change things up with lights with ecus to steal beacons. Opposition only got stronger as I helped my team win. Last battle I was 4/3 lights and the top enemy was 10/10 heavies. Hard to enjoy the game under these circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 21:32:25 GMT -5
I didn't see it at all earlier today, but my last batch of matches have been interesting. I was back up to a 78% earlier today and while I had a few close matches nothing stood out. I'm running a pair of 2/10 Geps (Aph/DB) and three 4/8 TT/TO Boas. It happened over maybe half a dozen matches. I started seeing an increase in bot/weapon levels until now I'm facing 6/8 mediums to 9/9 heavies (no Fury/Lance/Gal/Rhino though). Most of the fights have been relatively close. At my 'tier' the lower the bot/weapon level the higher the win rate and vice versa. There's only been a couple where we were mostly rolled over. I've finished all my daily tasks, and am still placing top 3 damage, and scoring beacons with a 72% win rate.
Where the old MM matched you against an average weapon level and some bot level. The new one, at first glance, seems to go almost entirely with my highest mid/heavy weapon value. I have level 10's on my lights, but haven't seen any other level 10 weapons yet. I haven't seen what was my average weapon level on other bots either. Everyone seems to have my highest/highest-1 med/heavy weapon. The weapon advantage generally associated with making a build more glassy seems to be the target of this aspect of the change.
Also, it really appears that unless you're a very dodgy and positional player you should match bot level to weapon level to help optimize your survivability. My Boas have really been my saving grace. Their naturally higher HP and only 4 level gap between bot/weapon levels has allowed me to use my wall hugging ways to stay alive a bit longer while taking advantage of some situations. I try to be positional, so I'm going to look at this time frame, as an opportunity to improve that aspect of my play while I get my bot levels up.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 24, 2017 6:46:37 GMT -5
For all the whining and mashing of teeth, I'm loving the variety and challenge. Plus I am still getting Au, though not as much. From the iPhone players reports, I think Pix must have increased how much hangar score effects matches,because while my 5/9 light bot hangar (bottom rung of Last Stand) is seeing plenty on 8/8 and 8/9 heavies and galahads (to include rhinos and lancelots)I have not faced any 12/12 heavy hangars like was reported for iOS users.
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Post by truechill on Jan 24, 2017 8:11:29 GMT -5
I wanted to provide an update because I think things have definitely changed since yesterday. I played a four matches this morning and it seems like it is a completely different world now. The first match caught me off guard. The number of WSP bots and WSP/AU weapons was significantly higher. At the end of the match I noticed slightly higher than normal bot levels and weapons. What was the most interesting was that I immediately noticed a higher caliber of play from my opponents. Better use of cover, corner shooting, and all sorts of other things I rarely see. I won all four matches but the last match was a bit insane. I didn't get top damage and I even got mech'd out. It was pretty exciting. It went down to the wire with a sliver of capture bar for both teams. I should also add it was a 5v6 since we had a player bail at the start. This was the number 1 player on the Red team.... against my adorable little Boa hanger. =( (but to be honest this was the most extreme disparity I encountered out of the 4 games I played)
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Post by Desolator on Jan 24, 2017 9:04:54 GMT -5
SoCalGrndR. Same here except I was running 7/9 meds heavies in the last weeks with win rate 76-78%. Now I hover between 54-58% but the games are very exciting and challenging. Even when I am losing to more powerful players that have 10+ bot/weapon, I top their damage many times.
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Post by Trogon on Jan 24, 2017 9:35:55 GMT -5
One more anecdotal data point - so far on android I have not seen the same wild matchups that I saw (and still see) on iOS. Last night I would not have suspected anything was different on android. iOS this morning still threw my 6/7 hangar and 50% win rate in with 12/12s.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 10:37:09 GMT -5
I'm seeing the really unbalanced matchups now. Ive played enough that my rating should be somewhat established, which seemed to have put me in a place where bots (regardless of weight class) can be up to level 12 and weapons average around 7-8. I run 4/8 meds so basically everyone is much tougher than me even in the winnable matcges. But if I win 2 in a row, then I get this: Everyone in this match as way better gear than me, regardless of how ?poo-poo?ty their play is. Two opponents had max tridents and they just tore apart my level 4 bots like they were tissue paper. Again, I've played plenty of games at this point... this shouldn't be about figuring out where I belong. Honestly, it already has me pegged too high as it is. Nor is this about one random red establishing his rating... Everyone here was 9/9+ wsp/au heavies and the game made some attempt to balance the gear on the sides. It just seems like some basic sanity check is missing. The fact this keeps happening is frustrating and is encouraging me to drop / tank so I don't have to waste my time dealing with this ?poo-poo?.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 24, 2017 10:51:53 GMT -5
Android pilots - good luck with the transition on the new MM. Like others have said, hang in there, don't try to understand it too much, just play.Hope your experience is better than the IOS one. At least if you've been following along, you have some idea of what is coming. I would say my matches as of today running a 6/9 heavy hanger at 50-60% win rate are getting better after 5 days in. As others have said, fewer 12/12 pilots in random squads. Still can't run squads of 6 without pulling in 12/12 squads but we have learned to adjust a bit when we can by running with two 12/12 pilots and. the rest of us lvl 9-10 wep pilots. We only lost to top tier clan squads this morning with this approach but now my stupid win rate is 78% so I will have to solo and get kicked for awhile to get it back to normal range. Now to just rent some 12/12 pilots when needed to squad.....I see a new business model for top tier pilots to rent their services to us middling folks. Cheers and best wishes! Funny, the reason I sought this place out was to understand how the game worked. Now its becoming apparent that Pixonic really does not want people to figure it out and just wants everyone to have a 50% win rate. It's not that they want you at 50%, they don't want people to break it as soon as it's released. As they fix things, the people who like the status quo immediately try to break it again, and fixes like this cost time and money. They want what most of us want; a fair, level playing field.
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