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Post by googleme on Feb 2, 2017 10:37:12 GMT -5
Wait, so you're saying that someone who bails shouldn't lose MM score? Every time one team is starting to win you'll have several players quitting just to protect their MM score. Still not seeing how it's a fundamentally flawed MM because of this specific feature. I don't get how flawed pilots mean that the MM is flawed. Anyone who leaves should face tougher MM the next round basically. Penalize leaving early by making the next match harder. That is not what I said. The MM system should not "reward" players for loosing or leaving early. There is a difference. The old MM had major flaws but players leaving early was not on the scope we see now. I do not know what the solution should be. OK, we can shift the blame to flawed pilots. I can see how someone can see it that way. Seal clubbers could also be seen in the same light, as flawed pilots, playing within the rules but leveraging MM to their advantage. It takes two to make this issue - flawed pilots and flawed MM system for them to leverage. We are always going to have flawed pilots (I do not think we can make them leave). I know that some of the top pilots of the day are leaving early (I have discussed this issue with them). Pix attempted to fix the seal clubbing issue my changing the MM. They seem to see seal clubbing as a MM issue, but they have given us pilots who now leave early. I think that this will will get worse as word spreads just like gep/mags/aphid bots.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 2, 2017 13:45:30 GMT -5
i have said it earlier, what about you cannot leave until it is done? Also, i never get the point of leaving. you get nothing, you have wasted time on a no-reward battle, and if this gets implemented, people will lose resources. I think the idea of multiple matches is a good idea, but what about no matter what, a left bot gets replaced? The final thing, what about those who leave when all their bats get destroyed? what about then?
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 3, 2017 9:57:37 GMT -5
Currently you can start a game immediately after returning to hanger. That means some people can start (and effectively be in play) multiple matches at the same time.
Would a simple solution be that once you start a game proper, if you leave for whatever reason (wifi issues, mech'd out etc), you can't start another game until the last one is finished. Games are only 10 mins so it would penalise repeat leaves with essentially a time penalty and I'm sure would steady the flow of repeat leavers.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 3, 2017 10:09:18 GMT -5
Currently you can start a game immediately after returning to hanger. That means some people can start (and effectively be in play) multiple matches at the same time. Would a simple solution be that once you start a game proper, if you leave for whatever reason (wifi issues, mech'd out etc), you can't start another game until the last one is finished. Games are only 10 mins so it would penalise repeat leaves with essentially a time penalty and I'm sure would steady the flow of repeat leavers. not a bad idea
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maracas
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Post by maracas on Feb 3, 2017 21:56:07 GMT -5
it is not cost/time-effective from another point. why with my natasha, rodaka leo, griffin,boa will i fight against pilots with lancelots, galahads, fujis, carnage with aoe/plasma weapons, dont forget your allies mostly have spiral, thunder punisher or molot. oh and ally pilots just try to swarm while enemies get cover and attack from flanks. aside from losing (not getting eu) you will lose plenty of silver (cuz dmg u do will be below 300k giving you barely enough to fix bots making upgrading bots hard on the long run) they said MM will work properly in some days... well i still see cossacks and destrier as my allies agaisnt lancelots and carnages... i wont deny after i got my 5th slot i stop playing as much as i did, but with this change with the MM i barely play now... i got better games with winning rate below 40% (not like my enemies got weaker but allies bot got stronger and they were better pilots at that point) i dont know about you guys but i am seriously in this situation, why would i try to win a game with those kind of allies against those kind of enemies? (ofc not all of my allies hangar are cossack or destrier, it is more like 1-2 bots are those per ally, ignoring that only 1-2 have 5 slots and 1 or 2 only have 3 slots... and my enemies everyone has more than 3 slots and bots are all medium/heavy) i never played gold (i was farming for lancelot and fury), was it like that there? your ally cossack without shield trying to get enemies flags? i am not saying i am god at the game, pft i still lack awareness of my sides, or when i move with my allies i focus on killing, covering myself or trying to get flags and by the time i realized they are all dead, or some way or another i literally pull aggro from everyone when at my side or front they have a better target. i just hope that MM for clans is working as intended (because i believe there is the place where they get their money)
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haumiblau
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Post by haumiblau on Feb 12, 2017 6:37:01 GMT -5
I vote no, the reason is two times the new MM:
1. since the new MM my lags increases dramatically!
2. In the new MM i face too often 12/12 TT furies - why should i play them in open maps like springfield? I play 70% short range weps and have absolutely no chance to come close enough in this maps!
I think a lot of the yes voters are fury campers and they will indeed quit on the new map with their camper hangars!!!
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 12, 2017 9:07:10 GMT -5
Absolutely, any way to sour the urge to tank is welcome. Pix has to kick the Tankers right where it hurts: their ability to join and leave games almost seconds apart. The people who are tanking are ruining the game.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 12, 2017 11:02:45 GMT -5
@???C??ELDE?? absolutely disagree. There should be no penalty whatsoever for leaving early. The MM should just eject one player on the opposite team to keep the sides even.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 12, 2017 11:15:48 GMT -5
Attachment DeletedNo on penalties. Notice the little 1k by my connection icon? I live in the middle the woods with no WiFi. 1 out if 3 games puts me back at the hangar before I even get a shot off. Trust me. I'd rather be playing. Also, next time you get smoked by me, or I'm top of the match... Remember I did it on a 1G connection.. Heheh muhahahahahahahhahah
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 12, 2017 11:28:58 GMT -5
The people who are leaving the game could care less about any reward in the match they are in...The reward they want is to noob bash gold out of newer players after a 30-40 game tank streak. The people who do this are of course here to lobby for no penalties...Penalties would screw them royally. Penalties for terrible behavior in a game exists in all sports. Quite frankly its sadly needed here.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 12, 2017 14:01:09 GMT -5
Well I just had my 5 tanker game...Throw the goddam book at them.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 12, 2017 14:51:34 GMT -5
Well I just had my 5 tanker game...Throw the goddam book at them. Looks like 6 tankers to me
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 12, 2017 14:58:05 GMT -5
blastronaut , I stayed for every last HP. Couldn't make it 3 steps but I stayed. And you'll be eating it in a few weeks so... meh. I could have bailed, but that would make me well... you.
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Post by suntron on Feb 12, 2017 17:15:30 GMT -5
Let us hope Leagues will help. With bigger rewards the higher you go there is finally a reason to not tank. You would drop down the Leagues and get less rewards for a win. Current system is crazy, try and win every game then get matched so you are out gunned and get no reward or drop to get easy games but same reward as hard higher up games.
Also they were crazy to give coins to bottom place, you could spend 30secs playing to get 2 coins or up to 10 mins for up to 5. Duh you'd get much more coins by tanking quickly.
The only danger is they don't make the higher Leagues rewarding enough and Pix seem to be very tight with gold so I can see this happening.
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WorstAimEver
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Post by WorstAimEver on Feb 12, 2017 17:51:07 GMT -5
No, MM is fine.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 13, 2017 7:40:52 GMT -5
No on penalties. Notice the little 1k by my connection icon? I live in the middle the woods with no WiFi. 1 out if 3 games puts me back at the hangar before I even get a shot off. Trust me. I'd rather be playing. Also, next time you get smoked by me, or I'm top of the match... Remember I did it on a 1G connection.. Heheh muhahahahahahahhahah then you have faced little people with the aphids. suddenly your screen is shaking and you lose half health...
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 13, 2017 7:43:49 GMT -5
No on penalties. Notice the little 1k by my connection icon? I live in the middle the woods with no WiFi. 1 out if 3 games puts me back at the hangar before I even get a shot off. Trust me. I'd rather be playing. Also, next time you get smoked by me, or I'm top of the match... Remember I did it on a 1G connection.. Heheh muhahahahahahahhahah then you have faced little people with the aphids. suddenly your screen is shaking and you lose half health... Big heads... Small potatoes brotha.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Feb 13, 2017 7:46:37 GMT -5
@???C??ELDE?? absolutely disagree. There should be no penalty whatsoever for leaving early. The MM should just eject one player on the opposite team to keep the sides even. Of course you think that. You are a self identified tanker and dedicated seal clubber per your other posts. Your opinion is invalid.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 13, 2017 7:49:59 GMT -5
@???C??ELDE?? absolutely disagree. There should be no penalty whatsoever for leaving early. The MM should just eject one player on the opposite team to keep the sides even. Of course you think that. You are a self identified tanker and dedicated seal clubber per your other posts. Your opinion is invalid. Eject a player?!? That's bogus. If anything, add a player. I'd be pissed as hell to get booted server side cuz some P hole is dropping games
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 13, 2017 8:59:32 GMT -5
Of course you think that. You are a self identified tanker and dedicated seal clubber per your other posts. Your opinion is invalid. Eject a player?!? That's bogus. If anything, add a player. I'd be pissed as hell to get booted server side cuz some P hole is dropping games watch your profanity.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 13, 2017 11:59:58 GMT -5
Of course you think that. You are a self identified tanker and dedicated seal clubber per your other posts. Your opinion is invalid. Eject a player?!? That's bogus. If anything, add a player. I'd be pissed as hell to get booted server side cuz some P hole is dropping games If I got added to a match that was already 2 minutes in, I would eject immediately. However, if the lowest scoring player on my team got ejected because a red left the match, I would stay in.
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Axe
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Post by Axe on Feb 13, 2017 12:23:27 GMT -5
I've ranted about this problem before (http://war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/25234/thread) and seen it happen (look at the last match on Springfield in the YouTube video below). If you destroy your last bot, or otherwise elect to leave the match, that is easily accounted for by Pixonic. Losing a connection is a harder nut to crack because while it would be readily discernible who quit and who lost connection, savy players would quickly realize that they could simply switch their devices to Airplane mode killing their connection to the game. Nevertheless, those who actively elect to leave the game by destroying all their bots, or selecting the Menu > Leave Match option should be penalized if they do so before the initial countdown timer expires.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 13, 2017 13:17:48 GMT -5
Put a price on leaving the match...Daily taskings give you two free points per day then it costs you silver...then gold. As well, start tracking and displaying the stat. If I have 10 leaves (desertion) a week and you have a 1000...there might be a basis for sanction. Players with the lowest leaves and highest damages get extra gold. They need to reward staying and fighting not sandbagging and screwing other players.
If your leave rate is 2% and kept below 5% every week you get a reward of some sort that counters what tankers can "earn" ..
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Feb 13, 2017 13:24:46 GMT -5
@???C??ELDE?? absolutely disagree. There should be no penalty whatsoever for leaving early. The MM should just eject one player on the opposite team to keep the sides even. Of course you think that. You are a self identified tanker and dedicated seal clubber per your other posts. Your opinion is invalid. I would have a slight quibble with this. Everybody’s opinion is valid. The problem here is not the opinion, it’s the (lack of) reasoning behind the opinion — which is probably because the real reason is that they want to be able to continue gaming the system. If so, that’s obviously a self-serving reason that would clearly not be in the best interest of the game or the community.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 13, 2017 13:38:45 GMT -5
Put a price on leaving the match...Daily taskings give you two free points per day then it costs you silver...then gold. As well, start tracking and displaying the stat. If I have 10 leaves (desertion) a week and you have a 1000...there might be a basis for sanction. Players with the lowest leaves and highest damages get extra gold. They need to reward staying and fighting not sandbagging and screwing other players. If your leave rate is 2% and kept below 5% every week you get a reward of some sort that counters what tankers can "earn" .. are you sure they cost silver then gold? i have never seen the daily tasks cost anything but gold after the two free ones.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 13, 2017 13:56:18 GMT -5
Of course you think that. You are a self identified tanker and dedicated seal clubber per your other posts. Your opinion is invalid. I would have a slight quibble with this. Everybody’s opinion is valid. The problem here is not the opinion, it’s the (lack of) reasoning behind the opinion — which is probably because the real reason is that they want to be able to continue gaming the system. If so, that’s obviously a self-serving reason that would clearly not be in the best interest of the game or the community. People are complaining because leavers are causing uneven squads. I proposed a solution that would keeps squads even. I'd rather have someone leave than just sit idly in their bot at spawn, this is what would happen if Pixonic starts penalizing leavers without fixing the broken MM system.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 13, 2017 13:56:21 GMT -5
satmaster728 - was borrowing from that system and suggesting silver then gold...
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 13, 2017 14:07:43 GMT -5
People are complaining because leavers are causing uneven squads. I proposed a solution that would keeps squads even. I'd rather have someone leave than just sit idly in their bot at spawn, this is what would happen if Pixonic starts penalizing leavers without fixing the broken MM system. Tracking the leaving/idle stat is important here cause the ones with the similar leave/game idle percentages get matched together regardless of damage. The tankers and idle can tank and screw themselves . The guys with low leave/idle rates that actually play this game would battle each other again.
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[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Feb 13, 2017 14:11:02 GMT -5
I would have a slight quibble with this. Everybody’s opinion is valid. The problem here is not the opinion, it’s the (lack of) reasoning behind the opinion — which is probably because the real reason is that they want to be able to continue gaming the system. If so, that’s obviously a self-serving reason that would clearly not be in the best interest of the game or the community. People are complaining because leavers are causing uneven squads. I proposed a solution that would keeps squads even. I'd rather have someone leave than just sit idly in their bot at spawn, this is what would happen if Pixonic starts penalizing leavers without fixing the broken MM system. However, such activity would be a less efficient way of earning gold and silver than just playing the game. But Pixonic already uses a similar algorithm to decide whether to award coins during events, so they could very easily include this behavior when penalizing repeat leavers. The issue with kicking someone out on the other team is that it unnecessarily penalizes the person kicked out, and matches with fewer players are less likely to be balanced than full matches. Ever see a hockey game when there's a penalty on both sides, resulting in a 4-on-4? Small imbalances become magnified in that environment.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 13, 2017 14:14:56 GMT -5
People are complaining because leavers are causing uneven squads. I proposed a solution that would keeps squads even. I'd rather have someone leave than just sit idly in their bot at spawn, this is what would happen if Pixonic starts penalizing leavers without fixing the broken MM system. Tracking the leaving/idle stat is important here cause the ones with the similar leave/game idle percentages get matched together regardless of damage. The tankers and idle can tank and screw themselves . The guys with low leave/idle rates that actually play this game would battle each other again. Start penalizing idle bots and people will run their hangar full of lvl 1 unarmed destriers straight into the Red spawn. How do you penalize that scenario?
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