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Post by northempire on Oct 28, 2017 12:21:37 GMT -5
Why: Does Hellburner look like a Nissan product? Does any bot with storm look like its seeking a usb port? huh? What nissan product?
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Post by northempire on Oct 28, 2017 12:22:07 GMT -5
Why do these bots look almost the same, except for hardpoint placement? maybe because bots are all alike?
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Post by Kanshou on Oct 28, 2017 12:28:16 GMT -5
For a gun with 80% the damage-per-second of a thunder (and basically equivalent to one if you take its larger ammo clip into consideration), storm sure is TINY. Like a quarter the cross-sectional area, plus it has half as many barrels as thunder (8 v.s. 16), AND they're each smaller calibre than thunder's, suggesting its much less than half as powerful overall, but you'd be wrong to assume that perfectly logical conclusion, because Pix. The same people that think if you bolt two of a gun together, whether minigun or autocannon, you end up with something only 50% more powerful, despite adding 100% more gun. So, a tiny thunder you can barely see from range but that fits on a medium slot without really giving up any performance. This is definitely gonna be a component weapon. :/ Its not the size that matters, its how you use it. *Wink Wink
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Oct 28, 2017 12:44:19 GMT -5
Pix is missing out on the chance to release these redesigns as, in this case say, the New Boa. New bot. Same specs. Just new look. Same price. People who like the old look keep theirs, people who like the new look will buy them. People who gotta collect 'me all, will also buy at least one. The battlefield gains visual variety. It's a win/win all around.
Even if the new design allows a slightly offset heavy mount for whatever battlefield edge you can scrape out of it, who cares?
They could have done this from the beginning, no matter whether the bot was silver (Shutze, Golem, Destrier) or gold (Rog, Gepard, Fury)
I realize that in the case of the Golem the weapons mounts were shifted around. So what? You like the New Golem better, buy it! Old Golem? Buy it! It's not like Pix has to actually build these bots. It costs them nothing to have weapons and bots in the game that are less used.
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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on Oct 28, 2017 12:46:16 GMT -5
I'm torn. I do kinda dig the new look, but I'll miss the mailbox.
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Post by The VVatcher on Oct 28, 2017 12:47:15 GMT -5
I will probably miss the classic Boa look later but personally I couldn't look at the way it's legs were hitting the side skirts any longer. It needed a redesign imo. Would've been cool if they kept the WW2 era tank look intact though.
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Post by Amleth on Oct 28, 2017 13:03:31 GMT -5
The Storm delivers less than half the damage per shot of a Thunder: 4.600 dmg vs 10.100, at L8. Well, phew, that's a lot more reasonable. Might not be component after all. But I coulda sworn I read it was doing 8.xK in a thread from yesterday/the day before.
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Post by +DethHilt+ on Oct 28, 2017 13:44:22 GMT -5
Damn fugly!
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Post by absolut257 on Oct 28, 2017 14:15:17 GMT -5
I like the new Boa design much better but the medium shotgun weapon looks too small and soft.
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DataMeister
Destrier
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Post by DataMeister on Oct 28, 2017 16:56:44 GMT -5
I don't like the new Boa design. The old design looks like it belongs to the same manufacturer as the Leo and give is a unique style. New Boa looks too much like the Griffen and Rogotka. Maybe that's what they are going for though, a more unified set of "manufacturers". If so then I would assume the Leo will be next for a redesign.
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Post by Nexsan on Oct 28, 2017 17:01:27 GMT -5
War Robots has been losing its WW2 apocalyptic theme for awhile now and the redesign of the Boa is only continuing this futuristic trend.
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Post by anjian on Oct 28, 2017 21:18:02 GMT -5
Why do these bots look almost the same, except for hardpoint placement? You're not wrong. All the designs are starting to look a bit "samey". The Schutz, the nu-Boa, the Hover and Hellfire, all look like they were cut from the same cloth. My guess is there is some designer at Pix that was brought in after the old team left and is trying to put their own (ugly and homogeneous) stamp on the game. No. I actually like the new designs and I also think this pattern of designs already started happening before Pixonic was sold to mail.ru. Right about the time the Workshop bots were introduced as these were the first to embody the design trend. The "classic" bots which I also call the Silver bots, all appear to be based on modern planes and tanks that had legs attached to them. I think the only one there that came out pretty good was the Leo. The Natasha is based off a amphibous plane, one of the ones the firm Beriev makes. The war machines the robots were based from tend to be Russian, with the Cossack based of the Hind attack helicopter. The next wave of designs were the Workshop bots. No longer are they based off Russian war machines, they were much more animalistic in the way the torsos reflect heads of animals --- Carnage, Rhino and Stalker. I think this is where the new designer came in as since then, the torsos have become more curved and organic. IMO the original Bastion with its squared off looks and squared shields was done by the "first" designer, then rejected by the "second" designer to produce the Raijin with its curved shields. The Gunslinger bots may have already been designed before the Pixonic sale since they came soon after. Again, torsos with rounded carapaces. The torso of the Butch looks like the head of the Alien from that franchise. The Britbots in my opinion, were already sketched by the first designer, and the second designer took the original sketches as inspiration and worked from that. IMO the second designer is also a bit more anime inspired. The K-bots simply continued the trend, as you look closely at the torsos, they resemble heads especially the Kumiho, and the Haechi has a horn. The Inquisitor has a reptile head for its torso. Or is that a frog. The Stalker has a torso like a dragon, the Rhino has its horn and the Carnage's torso looks like the head of a snake, which is why one of its camouflages has the word "Snake" in it in Chinese. So the designs continue to have a more futuristic and organic look, IMO somewhere between anime and Battletech.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Oct 28, 2017 21:30:45 GMT -5
Why: Does Hellburner look like a Nissan product? Does any bot with storm look like its seeking a usb port? huh? What nissan product? Im getting a distinctly Juke vibe from it.
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Post by anjian on Oct 28, 2017 22:54:16 GMT -5
Hellburner looks to me like something Disney would pop up to put in a Star Wars movie.
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Post by anjian on Oct 29, 2017 4:43:38 GMT -5
Just my thoughts on the new content.
Hellburner --- People directly rush into it looking for death. Its actually a competent light bot if you want to fight for a while with it, instead of seeking early death.
People will make the habitual mistake of pressing the special ability botton because your thumb is close to it on screen or its become a habit of pressing the button with other mechs. There is this urge I get that pressing it would make me either run or dash, and when you do that you will actually end your life prematurely. Its way to easy to make that mistake, and I suggested that Pixonic should add a second press to the button in order to abort the self destruction.
It does not make sense to sell this as a gilded bot, no one wants a luxury bot to suicide in. This should be a cheap silver bot.
Hover --- Ex Glider, this mech is now much better than before, and I feel its ready to go live. But its not some OP piece or even a strong one. The bot sits somewhere between a Rogatka and a Griffin in capabilities and usefulness. Its fun to use, but its not going to merit a high expense. Its a grunt bot for me. I think this needs to go silver or workshop.
The Hover is most annoying when it gets to some peak or tower in the map, and chooses to rain death from above from its perch. That's where your teammate with sniper weapons or hydras best comes in.
Storm --- I think in its current state it either needs to increase damage slightly or have its dispersion cone narrowed considerably. It felt disappointing and I plan to remove it with later test sessions. Its also hard to justify this as a guilded weapon, I think they should just sell it for silvers or WSP to serve as a common grunt weapon.
Once again, the test server not including dash bots, inquisitor and new weapons, makes it hard to judge the mentioned content for a future environment.
If these shows up on the roulette and the component exchanges, they will dilute your chances of getting the strong bots and weapons.
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bluestreak
Destrier
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Post by bluestreak on Oct 29, 2017 5:51:56 GMT -5
Actually Pix should just make the old look of the Boa one of the possible skins. That'll satisfy both crowds. But I suppose it'll need more coding and the projectile collision is probably different for both models. In fact, the new model looks like it has a bigger side profile and a smaller front profile. Better for face to face confrontations.
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Post by thefalsehuman on Oct 29, 2017 7:57:19 GMT -5
So, should we all buy like 5 boas while we can in case boa "becomes" a bot priced in non-silver? Since I wasn't here, did Pix warn the users about the price change for Aphids from Silver to gold?
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Post by mechtout on Oct 29, 2017 11:40:45 GMT -5
not seeing why the boa needs an aerodynamic design. need to keep the tank look
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Post by anjian on Oct 30, 2017 1:14:23 GMT -5
Glider/Hover definitely has an aerodynamic design, or I should say, theme, to go along with its special ability. Storm looks different when it is on the game itself versus the model that's on the hanger.
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Post by anjian on Oct 30, 2017 5:12:18 GMT -5
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Post by TravLar on Oct 30, 2017 5:28:47 GMT -5
Boa's got a bit of this going on...
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Post by ManO' War on Oct 30, 2017 9:52:12 GMT -5
I like the new look - sleek and advanced and I'm sure a 2nd skin will follow. However, with the cost of the Golem being so cheap and the extra light hard point, it still makes more sense in my opinion to build a MKII Level 12 Golem for the role the Boa would fill. You can build a Golem to MKII Level 12 for about 32M Ag & 500 Au where as I believe its 44M Ag to take the current BOA to MKI Level 12. I've crushed a few Rhino's and other bots with this Golem below. Its hilarious entertainment when the Rhino runs out of Orkans and realizes I still have enough health to finish him off with the Thunder.
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Post by Refuse2GrowUp on Oct 30, 2017 10:40:44 GMT -5
Are these from a PTS (test server)? When will we see them in-game?
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 30, 2017 11:08:48 GMT -5
I don't mind the futuristic designs. It's like War Robots is mimicking real war, where designs start off bulky and cumbersome and are function over fashion, and as times move on, designs get sleeker. I kind like that new Boa look. Too bad they shot themselves in the foot with the Mk2 moniker. They could have easily released this as the Boa Mk2 or V2, and give it a special ability or and extra weapon slot, and then charge $300 to buy it.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 30, 2017 11:18:30 GMT -5
I'm all for keeping it the Toaster of Death. #savethetoaster #leaveourbotsalone
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 30, 2017 11:23:01 GMT -5
does it have special abilities? It can hover. Yup, that's it. It can fly straight up into the air (or at a slight angle), and rain death from above. Longer you hold the button the higher it goes. Seems like tulus and a pin would be better, as it's a bit too fragile for knife-fighting with storms. Is it not able to glide anymore? The first incarnation you could use about half of the ability to get in the air... and if you already had forward momentum you could stay in the air for a LOOOONG time and "glide" across a large distance. Made getting around in the moon map easy.
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Post by creepshow on Oct 30, 2017 11:59:27 GMT -5
It can hover. Yup, that's it. It can fly straight up into the air (or at a slight angle), and rain death from above. Longer you hold the button the higher it goes. Seems like tulus and a pin would be better, as it's a bit too fragile for knife-fighting with storms. Is it not able to glide anymore? The first incarnation you could use about half of the ability to get in the air... and if you already had forward momentum you could stay in the air for a LOOOONG time and "glide" across a large distance. Made getting around in the moon map easy. it works even better now. I was gliding all over springfield
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 30, 2017 13:49:33 GMT -5
Is it not able to glide anymore? The first incarnation you could use about half of the ability to get in the air... and if you already had forward momentum you could stay in the air for a LOOOONG time and "glide" across a large distance. Made getting around in the moon map easy. it works even better now. I was gliding all over springfield I feel like a lot of people dismiss it without seeing how it is best used. That thing would be decent support. It's not a quick attack bot in the sense of a Carnage or a Lance or even a Griff... but it can get to places that others can't, and can get over obstacles in a horizontal sense rather than a Vertical only one. A Hydra setup on one of those would be a royal PITA. Could find some un-hittable locations.
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Post by moflete on Oct 30, 2017 15:21:54 GMT -5
They are all starting to look alike. None looks ugly, but are loosing personality. The new boa is a nice bot, but should be named otherwise. I still like the old-look of the tough toaster.
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Post by Shahmatt on Dec 19, 2017 2:11:48 GMT -5
Does anyone know when this new design will kick in? I have not seen it in my version of the game.
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