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Post by WE034 on Jan 20, 2017 14:09:37 GMT -5
I guess it's "anecdotal" then.
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Post by Trogon on Jan 20, 2017 14:20:21 GMT -5
I really hope it's not based just on win %, because I've been on the winning side in some matches where we didn't win because of my 2/5 Schutzes but because of the 9/10 Lancelots on my team. To think my Elo rating might have gone up because of those matches is a little discouraging.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 20, 2017 14:30:27 GMT -5
I guess it's "anecdotal" then. an·ec·do·tal ?an?k?d?dl/ adjective (of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research. "while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact" Definitely true.
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Post by josette2 on Jan 20, 2017 14:39:44 GMT -5
So now can anyone post a screenshot of their recent match with the following. 1: full team sheet 2: your hangar (preferably a bronze tier hangar). 3: hangar of top damage in other team I feel half the people posting here are full of baloney.
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Post by WE034 on Jan 20, 2017 14:49:29 GMT -5
I think it is really hard for us to try and sketch this out with any level of granularity/fidelity given the level and quantity of indirect observations we are able to effort at this time. Trying to reverse engineer, heuristicly, the algorithm/algorithms used to calculate our standings under the new matchmaker is going to prove difficult. There are waaaay to many data points, over unknown times, at unknown calcuation points, used to find the prime coefficients with which the "percentage" is calculated. Who knows, given the anecdotal statement of just showing up and getting almost a "50% win", and given others simular observations at the other end of the spectrum (observation of inordinately high numbers of wins necessary to reach higher win percentages) there's a very real likelihood, for many reasons, of companding of our "percentages". lower scorers get a preceived bump up to give them the "attaboy" everyone wants, and the high performers get a "you could do better..." knock down. BOTH, could be effective in an effort from the standpoint of baiting and setting the hook to get players to spend money.
If he reads this, given his profession in statistical analysis, i thing perfectlygoodink would be a good person to weight in on this. If anyone can pin the tail on the donkey with this, it's probably gonna be him.
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Post by ivx on Jan 20, 2017 15:10:12 GMT -5
I really hope it's not based just on win %, because I've been on the winning side in some matches where we didn't win because of my 2/5 Schutzes but because of the 9/10 Lancelots on my team. To think my Elo rating might have gone up because of those matches is a little discouraging. Same here. Which is why Elo isn't meant for multiplayer games. They may have implemented additional things like damage, damage relative to others and/or hangar strength and so on into it to account for this. But not that it shows so far in any way, shape or form for me.
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Post by lilryry on Jan 20, 2017 15:34:37 GMT -5
This is my hanger And this is the bots I'm facing...it's pretty sweet
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Post by debasir on Jan 20, 2017 15:48:43 GMT -5
There is no reason to examine current system too close. This is a reset, scores and win percentage were way out of wack. This is the round-robin tournament to determine each players place in ranking for new system. Pretty confident the final product will include tiers. Seen a few players say it takes about 50 matches to find a happy place. Is it too much to ask to play your best hangar and make it count?
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Post by lilryry on Jan 20, 2017 15:52:56 GMT -5
There is no reason to examine current system too close. This is a reset, scores and win percentage were way out of wack. This is the round-robin tournament to determine each players place in ranking for new system. Pretty confident the final product will include tiers. Seen a few players say it takes about 50 matches to find a happy place. Is it too much to ask to play your best hangar and make it count? I've played more than 50 matches since new mm dropped and this is my best hanger, I've been playing less than 2 weeks. I win a few matches and then I'm placed against this level of bots and have to pretty much avoid the fight because I'm dead in 5 seconds
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Post by zman on Jan 20, 2017 16:01:18 GMT -5
This is my hanger And this is the bots I'm facing...it's pretty sweet Interesting. Those seem to be a bit out of place. But, not quite as bad as first glance, the 2/8 Gepard is really hurting you. The new MM's hanger strength calculation seems to be far more sensitive to high level weapons on low level bots. Also, I'm not sure it is penaizing Meds and Heavies as much as before. Now, you're still wildly outclassed by those bots, but having a better win record and likely more skill than the first guy makes sense to try and figure out where you two are independent of hanger strength. And the third, well is a very poor pilot, and I can see the MM wanting to see where each of you lands in relation to each other. I'd be shocked if you were still seeing matches that out of wack in a couple of days. My hanger strength is close to the last ones, but my Elo must be much higher because I'm not seeing anyone with as low as a hanger stregnth as you and aren't seeing that many with hanger strengths like the first either, most of my matches are aggainst people exceeding my 9/9.5, and I'm seeing a lot of 9/10-12/12. Were there any player in that match that were closer to you? What was the average hanger in that match? I'm wondering how much of this is just the system trying to place people and lowish hangers with good Elos seem to be bearing the brunt of that figuring out. Are you contributing to your matches? Placing top three at all?
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Post by Trogon on Jan 20, 2017 16:04:07 GMT -5
So now can anyone post a screenshot of their recent match with the following. 1: full team sheet 2: your hangar (preferably a bronze tier hangar). 3: hangar of top damage in other team I feel half the people posting here are full of baloney. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/30284/thread
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Post by josette2 on Jan 20, 2017 16:04:19 GMT -5
There is no reason to examine current system too close. This is a reset, scores and win percentage were way out of wack. This is the round-robin tournament to determine each players place in ranking for new system. Pretty confident the final product will include tiers. Seen a few players say it takes about 50 matches to find a happy place. Is it too much to ask to play your best hangar and make it count? I've played more than 50 matches since new mm dropped and this is my best hanger, I've been playing less than 2 weeks. I win a few matches and then I'm placed against this level of bots and have to pretty much avoid the fight because I'm dead in 5 seconds You have level 8 magnums the previous match make might've put you on bronze tier fighting new players(seal clubbing by definition lol) but with the new match make your enemies have almost the same weapon level as you (between 8-10) now try putting away those level 8 magnums and show us what enemies you get.
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Post by josette2 on Jan 20, 2017 16:09:17 GMT -5
So now can anyone post a screenshot of their recent match with the following. 1: full team sheet 2: your hangar (preferably a bronze tier hangar). 3: hangar of top damage in other team I feel half the people posting here are full of baloney. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/30284/threadHow about posting one of your own if you play in iOS it's not difficult. Furthermore the screenshots I see from that thread are people using low level bots with crazy high weapons. I dont see why a 2/11 gep hanger shouldn't be fighting against 12/12s.
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Post by Trogon on Jan 20, 2017 16:12:18 GMT -5
How about posting one of your own if you play in iOS it's not difficult. Furthermore the screenshots I see from that thread are people using low level bots with crazy high weapons. I dont see why a 2/11 gep hanger shouldn't be fighting against 12/12s. I can't right now, but I shoudn't need to, others have already done so. Besides I don't care that much about convincing you. Also, you apparently didn't look at the post I linked to (and the one following it), which was someone who ran 3/3 lights and was matched against 10/8 galahad, fujin, golem and gepard.
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Post by lilryry on Jan 20, 2017 16:12:42 GMT -5
This is my hanger And this is the bots I'm facing...it's pretty sweet Interesting. Those seem to be a bit out of place. But, not quite as bad as first glance, the 2/8 Gepard is really hurting you. The new MM's hanger strength calculation seems to be far more sensitive to high level weapons on low level bots. Also, I'm not sure it is penaizing Meds and Heavies as much as before. Now, you're still wildly outclassed by those bots, but having a better win record and likely more skill than the first guy makes sense to try and figure out where you two are independent of hanger strength. And the third, well is a very poor pilot, and I can see the MM wanting to see where each of you lands in relation to each other. I'd be shocked if you were still seeing matches that out of wack in a couple of days. My hanger strength is close to the last ones, but my Elo must be much higher because I'm not seeing anyone with as low as a hanger stregnth as you and aren't seeing that many with hanger strengths like the first either, most of my matches are aggainst people exceeding my 9/9.5, and I'm seeing a lot of 9/10-12/12. Were there any player in that match that were closer to you? What was the average hanger in that match? I'm wondering how much of this is just the system trying to place people and lowish hangers with good Elos seem to be bearing the brunt of that figuring out. Are you contributing to your matches? Placing top three at all? Yes I contribute, mainly avoid enemy bots and try to cap beacons when I'm badly outgeared, I actually do enjoy the matches with the new mm because they're closer but it just sucks hitting the wall of high level bots after a few wins
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Post by lilryry on Jan 20, 2017 16:16:42 GMT -5
I've played more than 50 matches since new mm dropped and this is my best hanger, I've been playing less than 2 weeks. I win a few matches and then I'm placed against this level of bots and have to pretty much avoid the fight because I'm dead in 5 seconds You have level 8 magnums the previous match make might've put you on bronze tier fighting new players(seal clubbing by definition lol) but with the new match make your enemies have almost the same weapon level as you (between 8-10) now try putting away those level 8 magnums and show us what enemies you get. I've swapped the mags fo lvl 5 pinatas and I get the same matches and if the new mm weighs 2/8's the same as 8/8's then its broken
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Post by josette2 on Jan 20, 2017 16:19:29 GMT -5
How about posting one of your own if you play in iOS it's not difficult. Furthermore the screenshots I see from that thread are people using low level bots with crazy high weapons. I dont see why a 2/11 gep hanger shouldn't be fighting against 12/12s. I can't right now, but I shoudn't need to, others have already done so. Besides I don't care that much about convincing you. Also, you apparently didn't look at the post I linked to (and the one following it), which was someone who ran 3/3 lights and was matched against 10/8 galahad, fujin, golem and gepard. There's a reason why I asked for 3 things. 1: full score sheet 2: your hangar in that battle 3: top damage of other team If I was on iOS believe me I'd be testing it. I can Easily post a screenshot of myself using a 1/3 hanger and post a screen shot of a 12/12 enemy hangar. without a full score sheet it's not a reliable.
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Post by josette2 on Jan 20, 2017 16:21:37 GMT -5
You have level 8 magnums the previous match make might've put you on bronze tier fighting new players(seal clubbing by definition lol) but with the new match make your enemies have almost the same weapon level as you (between 8-10) now try putting away those level 8 magnums and show us what enemies you get. I've swapped the mags fo lvl 5 pinatas and I get the same matches and if the new mm weighs 2/8's the same as 8/8's then its broken Note you have level 8 weapons. If they weighed in weapons more than bots it makes so much sense. No more seal clubbing
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Post by ivx on Jan 20, 2017 16:26:34 GMT -5
I have dozens - and counting, after every match - of screens of mismatches with full score sheets and full hangar screens of top 3 every match because I figured HG/TT people wouldn't believe me if I told them I'm still going against them with my mid-level lights and mediums.
If there's a convenient no-registration photo hosting or file sharing service out there I could package them into folders battle by battle, zip the total and post that.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 20, 2017 16:33:18 GMT -5
I can't right now, but I shoudn't need to, others have already done so. Besides I don't care that much about convincing you. Also, you apparently didn't look at the post I linked to (and the one following it), which was someone who ran 3/3 lights and was matched against 10/8 galahad, fujin, golem and gepard. There's a reason why I asked for 3 things. 1: full score sheet 2: your hangar in that battle 3: top damage of other team If I was on iOS believe me I'd be testing it. I can Easily post a screenshot of myself using a 1/3 hanger and post a screen shot of a 12/12 enemy hangar. without a full score sheet it's not a reliable. If I was in your position right now, I'd be gathering as much data as I could from your own matches. The stuff I track after every match (when I'm collecting): > Player level > Trophies > Victories > Hangar Slots > Bot levels > Highest wep level per bot > Bot types
That way you'll be prepared with a solid point of reference for when the MM update hits. Those of us on iOS had no warning, I was luckily to be in data collection mode the evening before.
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Post by lilryry on Jan 20, 2017 16:34:21 GMT -5
I've swapped the mags fo lvl 5 pinatas and I get the same matches and if the new mm weighs 2/8's the same as 8/8's then its broken Note you have level 8 weapons. If they weighed in weapons more than bots it makes so much sense. No more seal clubbing I'm not trying to seal club, I've only been playing the game for a short time and wanted to stay in lower tiers to save some mats to upgrade while I figured out how to play the game. Now fortunately I get to bang my head against 8/8's who have a 「dookie」ty win% so they can feel better about themselves because you know, everyone deserves to win 50% of the time...may as well hand out participation trophies while they're at it
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Post by debasir on Jan 20, 2017 20:53:28 GMT -5
I've played more than 50 matches since new mm dropped and this is my best hanger, I've been playing less than 2 weeks. I win a few matches and then I'm placed against this level of bots and have to pretty much avoid the fight because I'm dead in 5 seconds Unfortunately, players are dropping more frequently now. When it happens, MM grabs whoever is available. If you experience 'normal ' matches in between, probably what is happening. Kudos to you for playing it out.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 20, 2017 20:59:06 GMT -5
I really hope it's not based just on win %, because I've been on the winning side in some matches where we didn't win because of my 2/5 Schutzes but because of the 9/10 Lancelots on my team. To think my Elo rating might have gone up because of those matches is a little discouraging. The worst part is (if I understand the Elo scoring system) is that your score could go up quite a bit because maybe you were underpowered vs competition and were supposed to lose. If you are supposed to win and then win and same with lose/lose, then I understood your score doesn't move as much. If you were supposed to lose but you win, your score goes up more....opposite true for being stronger and losing, then score goes down quite a bit. I just don't understand how it works in in this game and I doubt Pixo will ever clarify the system.
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Post by lilryry on Jan 21, 2017 8:10:49 GMT -5
I just don't understand how it works in in this game and I doubt Pixo will ever clarify the system. Really hoping being punished for winning matches you shouldn't win this isn't the case because as you can see from these pictures I was extremely under powered and yet my team was able to win so essentially I will be punished for winning when I couldn't really do anything. Sad because before the mm update this was probably the most fun game I have found on iOS and was going to spend some cast to get 5th hangsr slot...now I don't really know because I'm punished for winning so really what's the point, guess I'll just have to start tanking matches The line up My hanger #1 on their team
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 25, 2017 8:40:42 GMT -5
I think we need to do a ton of research and work as a whole team, instead of arguing. We need to find what works in certain parts of the game, and we need to throw out everything we thought we knew about the MM.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 25, 2017 8:54:37 GMT -5
I think we need to do a ton of research and work as a whole team, instead of arguing. We need to find what works in certain parts of the game, and we need to throw out everything we thought we knew about the MM. Agree 100%. Players are throwing there glass cannon tier camping hangars out there over and over again and complaining it's not working. I'm 85% sure tier camping is no longer a thing and that bot levels have taken on a whole new significance. I chose to experiment with a light hangar and it worked great for about two days. Now I'm seeing lots of level 12 weapons on heavies and a level 5 destrier and schutze just don't last no matter how you play them. I am going to keep experimenting and switching bot and weapon combos, but like most players I am severly handicaped by having all my good weapons leveled way higher then any bots I have.
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