[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 19, 2017 10:00:50 GMT -5
I wonder why they don't update both servers at the same time? It's bugging me. Probably because it's less risky. If the MM crashes and burns or is broadly unpopular, they would have only antagonized about half of their user base (or whatever the breakdown is). If it works well, the half that gets it later won't mind as much (especially since this change was never officially announced), and also will likely be encouraged that the improvement is coming soon.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 19, 2017 10:03:59 GMT -5
APOLOGIES: PIX has just informed us that the new MM is NOT, I repeat, NOT on Android right now. This is a iOS only thing. Thank you for the clarification - it did seem like we IOS guys were having some vastly different experiences than most of the Android users yesterday. And to all those Android users who were telling us that we are over-reacting with our experiences like Goatraper - insisting that we are just complainers - because the new MM has been very pleasing to you or the changes you noticed were not that bad....you don't know poo poo. And the best were the Android users who used the force of their experience (even the silver tier guys with their few months of time in this game) to tell us all about how the new MM is fairing in their matches....that the "drastic" changes they saw were nothing to complain about - I extend the digit that is the neighbor of my index finger in your direction. We spent last evening squading with 6/9 to 9/10 heavies (we were about 70% win rate players) being matched up against 12/12 squads consistently....and the 12/12 players were 70-90% win rate so top tier clan players. My time telling pieces in the house are immaculate because we got our clocks cleaned! So somewhat the same experience this morning, but some matches are almost winnable as only 1-2 top tier players in a squad. The joy of running squads are now a problem as the NEW MM on IOS keeps putting us up against these TT squads even as our win rate drops below 50% with all the losses - and the silver is lousy so we are wondering how the heck we are going to keep paying for the upgrades to get to Top Tier. It is going to suck to just run solo all the time. We are going to give it some more time, but we are playing a lot less and everyone has said they have stopped investing in the game (no premium, have requested refunds). And there is a lot less interest in this next event as it is turning into a blatant money grab. Cheers - hang in there fellow IOS users!
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Post by Muhlakai on Jan 19, 2017 10:08:58 GMT -5
So you insult me and then agree with me? #Classy #DidntReadCarefully Doing better than the other guy removes pain, and they'll always seek that outcome with as limited a quantity of procedural pain as possible. If that means buying an OP Gep because it's an instant boost with no need to gain more skill, then that's what they'll do. Like I said, improvement wasn't what they wanted. Glad you agree. You seem unclear on the difference between means and ends. Dude, chill. I wasn't arguing means vs. ends. I was disagreeing with someone who was saying improvement was the fundamental motivation. You're being a jerk and we AGREE. #WokeUpOnTheWrongSideOfTheMM
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Post by Trogon on Jan 19, 2017 10:11:42 GMT -5
I feel like what was really needed was a better way to calculate hangar score, as well as a bit more weight placed on ability in calculating MM placement. So far, it feels like what we got is hangar score is now not weighing nearly enough, resulting in wild mis-matches in hangars being placed in the same match. The new system might just need the ratios of hangar score vs ability adjusted. Hopefully it's easy for pix to tweak that.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 19, 2017 10:13:56 GMT -5
Its totally gone to ?poo-poo? on android now. There's no balance at all. My allies look like they just entered bronze with their kwks and spirals and the enemies are full gep clans on the prowl or heavies decked with plasma and rockets. Someone remind me of why I want to play though this. It's not enjoyable. Wait - so the MM is setting things up so that the opposite team from just you is always stronger?
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Post by lilryry on Jan 19, 2017 10:15:04 GMT -5
I feel like what was really needed was a better way to calculate hangar score, as well as a bit more weight placed on ability in calculating MM placement. So far, it feels like what we got was hangar score is now not weighing nearly enough, resulting in wild mis-matches in hangar score. Exactly this, if everything is figured off of wins/loses it will just become an endless cycle of winning 3-4 then getting pwned 3-4 matches
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 19, 2017 10:15:20 GMT -5
I wonder why they don't update both servers at the same time? It's bugging me. Probably because it's less risky. If the MM crashes and burns or is broadly unpopular, they would have only antagonized about half of their user base (or whatever the breakdown is). If it works well, the half that gets it later won't mind as much (especially since this change was never officially announced), and also will likely be encouraged that the improvement is coming soon. They have officially announced that the MM changes are coming for months and even gave us the window for deployment....they just didn't officially announce they have been implemented - seems to be the typical Pix way. I agree it is less risky to deploy it by OS but "sneaking in" a change of this magnitude is crazy in my mind....huge change in the system by which matches are formed and seeing what the reaction will be without any formal notice is lousy communication. They know it will piss people off....surprising half the user base and leaving the other half wondering seems like an odd way to make such a dramatic change. So while I applaud Pixo for finally having the balls to make the changes to fix the system, I deplore their unwillingness to give us formal notice it has happened - their customer service people were willing to tell us the change was in when we asked about what we were seeing yesterday....why didn't they update their FB page with a brief announcement? Oh well, it's done and now to just see how it changes the game yet again.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 19, 2017 10:17:57 GMT -5
You seem unclear on the difference between means and ends. Dude, chill. I wasn't arguing means vs. ends. I was disagreeing with someone who was saying improvement was the fundamental motivation. You're being a jerk and we AGREE. #WokeUpOnTheWrongSideOfTheMM No, you're misquoting me so you can ignore at least half of what I've been arguing. There's a huge difference between me saying people don't want to improve for its own sake (because it's a means to an end, not an end), and you claiming I said people don't want to improve. People do want to improve (as I said, people compete) because they want the payoff, the end. Attainment of that end acts as an incentive. The new MM takes away the end (the payoffs, the high win rate, the gold and silver), that improvement as a player was a means to achieving.
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karljackson
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Post by karljackson on Jan 19, 2017 10:18:41 GMT -5
APOLOGIES: PIX has just informed us that the new MM is NOT, I repeat, NOT on Android right now. This is a iOS only thing. Thank you for the clarification - it did seem like we IOS guys were having some vastly different experiences than most of the Android users yesterday. And to all those Android users who were telling us that we are over-reacting with our experiences like Goatraper - insisting that we are just complainers - because the new MM has been very pleasing to you or the changes you noticed were not that bad....you don't know poo poo. And the best were the Android users who used the force of their experience (even the silver tier guys with their few months of time in this game) to tell us all about how the new MM is fairing in their matches....that the "drastic" changes they saw were nothing to complain about - I extend the digit that is the neighbor of my index finger in your direction. We spent last evening squading with 6/9 to 9/10 heavies (we were about 70% win rate players) being matched up against 12/12 squads consistently....and the 12/12 players were 70-90% win rate so top tier clan players. My time telling pieces in the house are immaculate because we got our clocks cleaned! So somewhat the same experience this morning, but some matches are almost winnable as only 1-2 top tier players in a squad. The joy of running squads are now a problem as the NEW MM on IOS keeps putting us up against these TT squads even as our win rate drops below 50% with all the losses - and the silver is lousy so we are wondering how the heck we are going to keep paying for the upgrades to get to Top Tier. It is going to suck to just run solo all the time. We are going to give it some more time, but we are playing a lot less and everyone has said they have stopped investing in the game (no premium, have requested refunds). And there is a lot less interest in this next event as it is turning into a blatant money grab. Cheers - hang in there fellow IOS users! Android MM has been exactly the way you described above, since Halloween update. I get same matches with all 3/8 Boa/Golems as I do with 8/9 med/heavy low gold hanger.
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Post by zman on Jan 19, 2017 10:20:17 GMT -5
I feel like what was really needed was a better way to calculate hangar score, as well as a bit more weight placed on ability in calculating MM placement. So far, it feels like what we got was hangar score is now not weighing nearly enough, resulting in wild mis-matches in hangars being placed in the same match. The new system might just need the ratios of hangar score vs ability adjusted. Hopefully it's easy for pix to tweak that. But, we don't know how important hanger score is yet. Here is an example, don't know if it is true or not yet. So, every starts out with Hanger score + default Elo score. Now, in the first match you could see lower hanger scores who have played and won a couple games, or a higher hanger on its first game, or even an even higher hanger that lost its first game or two. I mean, it could even be a really good high strength hanger that drew some crap draws and lost those couple games despite being good. It takes quite a bit of data depending on how they are breaking it down in a team game to really truly assess Elo score. Since we are in turbulant change, all of this is possible and is regularly happening in literally every single match that is being made. But, once the active players have played a few games over a few days we'll see much of that no longer happen. And when everyone plays more games it'll get more and more refined. The game will stratify, but until most players have at least played enough to get an Elo score that is reflective of their skill we have no idea how much hanger factors in yet. We need time and a calmed MM with relatively representative Elo scores before we can even begin to assess just how much Hanger Strength matters and how big of a swing your Elo score can cause. This is a team game, it can take dozens of games from each player over the course of at least a handful of days before the MM stratifies into relevant Elos. Until the system has enough data.
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crave1ne
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Post by crave1ne on Jan 19, 2017 10:21:12 GMT -5
APOLOGIES: PIX has just informed us that the new MM is NOT, I repeat, NOT on Android right now. This is a iOS only thing. Thank you for the clarification - it did seem like we IOS guys were having some vastly different experiences than most of the Android users yesterday. And to all those Android users who were telling us that we are over-reacting with our experiences like Goatraper - insisting that we are just complainers - because the new MM has been very pleasing to you or the changes you noticed were not that bad....you don't know poo poo. And the best were the Android users who used the force of their experience (even the silver tier guys with their few months of time in this game) to tell us all about how the new MM is fairing in their matches....that the "drastic" changes they saw were nothing to complain about - I extend the digit that is the neighbor of my index finger in your direction. We spent last evening squading with 6/9 to 9/10 heavies (we were about 70% win rate players) being matched up against 12/12 squads consistently....and the 12/12 players were 70-90% win rate so top tier clan players. My time telling pieces in the house are immaculate because we got our clocks cleaned! So somewhat the same experience this morning, but some matches are almost winnable as only 1-2 top tier players in a squad. The joy of running squads are now a problem as the NEW MM on IOS keeps putting us up against these TT squads even as our win rate drops below 50% with all the losses - and the silver is lousy so we are wondering how the heck we are going to keep paying for the upgrades to get to Top Tier. It is going to suck to just run solo all the time. We are going to give it some more time, but we are playing a lot less and everyone has said they have stopped investing in the game (no premium, have requested refunds). And there is a lot less interest in this next event as it is turning into a blatant money grab. Cheers - hang in there fellow IOS users! I can't help but wonder then why Ive been outmatched on Android as of late. this past week has been crazy. I've had a hangar of nothing but lvl3 bots, and the highest lvl weapon at 7. I just upgraded all of my bots to lvl 4's. Actually still in the process of getting my gep to a 4, and then upgrading all the pinatas to 6's. This past week I've been matched with Galahads, and rhinos left and right. I'm still in high bronze, possibly spilling over into a very low silver. My win rates have gone done significantly. I'm hoping its just a glitch while waiting for the new MM with the update. I just updated the app this morning. Played two games and still was outmatched.
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Post by zman on Jan 19, 2017 10:23:26 GMT -5
Its totally gone to ?poo-poo? on android now. There's no balance at all. My allies look like they just entered bronze with their kwks and spirals and the enemies are full gep clans on the prowl or heavies decked with plasma and rockets. Someone remind me of why I want to play though this. It's not enjoyable. Wait - so the MM is setting things up so that the opposite team from just you is always stronger? That is impossible. How can each person on each of two teams be facing a stronger team. It is absolutely impossible. But, it might match a stronger player with weaker teammates to balance the two teams and give each team a more equal chance of winning. I feel like what was really needed was a better way to calculate hangar score, as well as a bit more weight placed on ability in calculating MM placement. So far, it feels like what we got was hangar score is now not weighing nearly enough, resulting in wild mis-matches in hangar score. Exactly this, if everything is figured off of wins/loses it will just become an endless cycle of winning 3-4 then getting pwned 3-4 matches It is not being figured off of solely Win Losses, or at least I highly highly doubt that. And I've played enough to know that win three lose three isn't happening, I'm still maintaining a 70% win rate under the new MM. Think I stated 8-2 and then lost two clan games for a grand total of like 9-4.
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karljackson
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Post by karljackson on Jan 19, 2017 10:27:59 GMT -5
Thank you for the clarification - it did seem like we IOS guys were having some vastly different experiences than most of the Android users yesterday. And to all those Android users who were telling us that we are over-reacting with our experiences like Goatraper - insisting that we are just complainers - because the new MM has been very pleasing to you or the changes you noticed were not that bad....you don't know poo poo. And the best were the Android users who used the force of their experience (even the silver tier guys with their few months of time in this game) to tell us all about how the new MM is fairing in their matches....that the "drastic" changes they saw were nothing to complain about - I extend the digit that is the neighbor of my index finger in your direction. We spent last evening squading with 6/9 to 9/10 heavies (we were about 70% win rate players) being matched up against 12/12 squads consistently....and the 12/12 players were 70-90% win rate so top tier clan players. My time telling pieces in the house are immaculate because we got our clocks cleaned! So somewhat the same experience this morning, but some matches are almost winnable as only 1-2 top tier players in a squad. The joy of running squads are now a problem as the NEW MM on IOS keeps putting us up against these TT squads even as our win rate drops below 50% with all the losses - and the silver is lousy so we are wondering how the heck we are going to keep paying for the upgrades to get to Top Tier. It is going to suck to just run solo all the time. We are going to give it some more time, but we are playing a lot less and everyone has said they have stopped investing in the game (no premium, have requested refunds). And there is a lot less interest in this next event as it is turning into a blatant money grab. Cheers - hang in there fellow IOS users! I can't help but wonder then why Ive been outmatched on Android as of late. this past week has been crazy. I've had a hangar of nothing but lvl3 bots, and the highest lvl weapon at 7. I just upgraded all of my bots to lvl 4's. Actually still in the process of getting my gep to a 4, and then upgrading all the pinatas to 6's. This past week I've been matched with Galahads, and rhinos left and right. I'm still in high bronze, possibly spilling over into a very low silver. My win rates have gone done significantly. I'm hoping its just a glitch while waiting for the new MM with the update. I just updated the app this morning. Played two games and still was outmatched. My guess is that Android has been the MM tweak/test guinea pig since Halloween update. Once they settled on the first run configuration, IOS got the full update. At the same time, Android still has all the guinea pig tweaks/tests that are probably not that far off from what just hit IOS users.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 19, 2017 10:29:07 GMT -5
Thank you for the clarification - it did seem like we IOS guys were having some vastly different experiences than most of the Android users yesterday. And to all those Android users who were telling us that we are over-reacting with our experiences like Goatraper - insisting that we are just complainers - because the new MM has been very pleasing to you or the changes you noticed were not that bad....you don't know poo poo. And the best were the Android users who used the force of their experience (even the silver tier guys with their few months of time in this game) to tell us all about how the new MM is fairing in their matches....that the "drastic" changes they saw were nothing to complain about - I extend the digit that is the neighbor of my index finger in your direction. We spent last evening squading with 6/9 to 9/10 heavies (we were about 70% win rate players) being matched up against 12/12 squads consistently....and the 12/12 players were 70-90% win rate so top tier clan players. My time telling pieces in the house are immaculate because we got our clocks cleaned! So somewhat the same experience this morning, but some matches are almost winnable as only 1-2 top tier players in a squad. The joy of running squads are now a problem as the NEW MM on IOS keeps putting us up against these TT squads even as our win rate drops below 50% with all the losses - and the silver is lousy so we are wondering how the heck we are going to keep paying for the upgrades to get to Top Tier. It is going to suck to just run solo all the time. We are going to give it some more time, but we are playing a lot less and everyone has said they have stopped investing in the game (no premium, have requested refunds). And there is a lot less interest in this next event as it is turning into a blatant money grab. Cheers - hang in there fellow IOS users! I can't help but wonder then why Ive been outmatched on Android as of late. this past week has been crazy. I've had a hangar of nothing but lvl3 bots, and the highest lvl weapon at 7. I just upgraded all of my bots to lvl 4's. Actually still in the process of getting my gep to a 4, and then upgrading all the pinatas to 6's. This past week I've been matched with Galahads, and rhinos left and right. I'm still in high bronze, possibly spilling over into a very low silver. My win rates have gone done significantly. I'm hoping its just a glitch while waiting for the new MM with the update. I just updated the app this morning. Played two games and still was outmatched. This was me the last two weeks until I started focusing on leveling up the robots themselves. But my hangar is quite a bit different, so YMMV
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Post by Trogon on Jan 19, 2017 10:30:11 GMT -5
I feel like what was really needed was a better way to calculate hangar score, as well as a bit more weight placed on ability in calculating MM placement. So far, it feels like what we got was hangar score is now not weighing nearly enough, resulting in wild mis-matches in hangars being placed in the same match. The new system might just need the ratios of hangar score vs ability adjusted. Hopefully it's easy for pix to tweak that. But, we don't know how important hanger score is yet. Here is an example, don't know if it is true or not yet. So, every starts out with Hanger score + default Elo score. Now, in the first match you could see lower hanger scores who have played and won a couple games, or a higher hanger on its first game, or even an even higher hanger that lost its first game or two. I mean, it could even be a really good high strength hanger that drew some crap draws and lost those couple games despite being good. It takes quite a bit of data depending on how they are breaking it down in a team game to really truly assess Elo score. Since we are in turbulant change, all of this is possible and is regularly happening in literally every single match that is being made. But, once the active players have played a few games over a few days we'll see much of that no longer happen. And when everyone plays more games it'll get more and more refined. The game will stratify, but until most players have at least played enough to get an Elo score that is reflective of their skill we have no idea how much hanger factors in yet. We need time and a calmed MM with relatively representative Elo scores before we can even begin to assess just how much Hanger Strength matters and how big of a swing your Elo score can cause. This is a team game, it can take dozens of games from each player over the course of at least a handful of days before the MM stratifies into relevant Elos. Until the system has enough data. You're right it's too soon to know for sure. Right now it certainly FEELS like the balance is off. We'll see in a week or two.
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Post by lilryry on Jan 19, 2017 10:30:34 GMT -5
Wait - so the MM is setting things up so that the opposite team from just you is always stronger? That is impossible. How can each person on each of two teams be facing a stronger team. It is absolutely impossible. But, it might match a stronger player with weaker teammates to balance the two teams and give each team a more equal chance of winning. Exactly this, if everything is figured off of wins/loses it will just become an endless cycle of winning 3-4 then getting pwned 3-4 matches It is not being figured off of solely Win Losses, or at least I highly highly doubt that. And I've played enough to know that win three lose three isn't happening, I'm still maintaining a 70% win rate under the new MM. Think I stated 8-2 and then lost two clan games for a grand total of like 9-4. Hoping is settles down after enough matches but as of now I ran prob 20 matches last night and was severely out matched in probably 15 of them and today it's been win 2-3 then lose 5, and again it isn't losing that bothers me it's the fact I'm so severely out geared that I can't compete.basically I'm getting "clubbed" 50-60% of the time
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 19, 2017 10:35:59 GMT -5
That is impossible. How can each person on each of two teams be facing a stronger team. It is absolutely impossible. But, it might match a stronger player with weaker teammates to balance the two teams and give each team a more equal chance of winning. It is not being figured off of solely Win Losses, or at least I highly highly doubt that. And I've played enough to know that win three lose three isn't happening, I'm still maintaining a 70% win rate under the new MM. Think I stated 8-2 and then lost two clan games for a grand total of like 9-4. Hoping is settles down after enough matches but as of now I ran prob 20 matches last night and was severely out matched in probably 15 of them and today it's been win 2-3 then lose 5, and again it isn't losing that bothers me it's the fact I'm so severely out geared that I can't compete.basically I'm getting "clubbed" 50-60% of the time Gotta be frustrating, but give it time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 10:37:00 GMT -5
It's real ugly out there. Match after match ending in 3 or 4 min with entire teams abandoning after beacons go solid red or blue. I hate clubbers as much as anyone but this is stupid so far. Some deference has to be paid to overall hangar strength.
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Post by freightdawg on Jan 19, 2017 10:39:13 GMT -5
Never did seal clubbing still New to the game. My hanger is light to med bots 3/6 with some three heavies that I won in the Christmas special. My win rate is 60% and my competition is now med to heavy with 9/12. Can't compete at that level now. Can't build up what I have till I lose a bunch or buy gold, and not spending money.
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 19, 2017 10:42:12 GMT -5
Dude, chill. I wasn't arguing means vs. ends. I was disagreeing with someone who was saying improvement was the fundamental motivation. You're being a jerk and we AGREE. #WokeUpOnTheWrongSideOfTheMM No, you're misquoting me so you can ignore at least half of what I've been arguing. There's a huge difference between me saying people don't want to improve for its own sake (because it's a means to an end, not an end), and you claiming I said people don't want to improve. People do want to improve (as I said, people compete) because they want the payoff, the end. Attainment of that end acts as an incentive. The new MM takes away the end (the payoffs, the high win rate, the gold and silver), that improvement as a player was a means to achieving. OKAY!!!! Both of you take a time out! No more name calling and no more trying to "agree" or "clarify" anything. #hatesemantics However, SlowReflexes, I disagree with you that the MM takes away the "end". The high win rate, the gold, the silver, were NEVER meant to be so easily earned, especially by people exploiting the system by clubbing seals. Pix never had that as the "end". The improvement was meant to come from improving your hangar, improving your skill. Not earning win rates at the expense of new players and fooling themselves into thinking that they are "skilled" because they have a high win rate. Now if they were maxed and got a 100% win-rate, now THAT would be impressive. One of the seal clubbers who has been complaining even went as far as to say "the system is MEANT to be exploited!" when he was condemned on FB for complaining about the new MM. This is how far the deception has gone. The improvements you mentioned were false, a deception and never something that was meant to be the end-goal.
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Post by lilryry on Jan 19, 2017 10:49:20 GMT -5
Never did seal clubbing still New to the game. My hanger is light to med bots 3/6 with some three heavies that I won in the Christmas special. My win rate is 60% and my competition is now med to heavy with 9/12. Can't compete at that level now. Can't build up what I have till I lose a bunch or buy gold, and not spending money. I'm wondering how much the "spending money" thing factored into this, they essentially took away the ability to farm gold effectively so now people will have to buy gold to get the best weapons
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Post by zman on Jan 19, 2017 10:52:51 GMT -5
Never did seal clubbing still New to the game. My hanger is light to med bots 3/6 with some three heavies that I won in the Christmas special. My win rate is 60% and my competition is now med to heavy with 9/12. Can't compete at that level now. Can't build up what I have till I lose a bunch or buy gold, and not spending money. I'm wondering how much the "spending money" thing factored into this, they essentially took away the ability to farm gold effectively so now people will have to buy gold to get the best weapons Of course they took it away, it was people spending a bunch of time clubbing newbies and ruining their fun while not needing to spend money to get the good stuff. Literally something that does the opposite of make you money, and likely has a negative effect on your new player base is something that needs to be addressed.
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Post by lilryry on Jan 19, 2017 10:57:52 GMT -5
I'm wondering how much the "spending money" thing factored into this, they essentially took away the ability to farm gold effectively so now people will have to buy gold to get the best weapons Of course they took it away, it was people spending a bunch of time clubbing newbies and ruining their fun while not needing to spend money to get the good stuff. Literally something that does the opposite of make you money, and likely has a negative effect on your new player base is something that needs to be addressed. I mean, I've been playing for less than 2 weeks and I haven't really been clubbed until the last 24 hours
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Post by zman on Jan 19, 2017 11:00:24 GMT -5
Of course they took it away, it was people spending a bunch of time clubbing newbies and ruining their fun while not needing to spend money to get the good stuff. Literally something that does the opposite of make you money, and likely has a negative effect on your new player base is something that needs to be addressed. I mean, I've been playing for less than 2 weeks and I haven't really been clubbed until the last 24 hours Then you were very lucky. There were a good number of people playing that would be using highly optimized hangers full of Au and WP weapons and bots like Magnum Gepards etc with much higher level weapons than you could deploy like a 4/12 or a 3/9 etc and they would just steamroll matches and collect max rewards. That was Seal Clubbing or kind of Farming. The new MM will settle down and your matches will get better, and likely at your level it won't feel much different but will eventually guarentee you won't see a clubber.
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Post by lilryry on Jan 19, 2017 11:03:08 GMT -5
I mean, I've been playing for less than 2 weeks and I haven't really been clubbed until the last 24 hours Then you were very lucky. There were a good number of people playing that would be using highly optimized hangers full of Au and WP weapons and bots like Magnum Gepards etc with much higher level weapons than you could deploy like a 4/12 or a 3/9 etc and they would just steamroll matches and collect max rewards. That was Seal Clubbing or kind of Farming. The new MM will settle down and your matches will get better, and likely at your level it won't feel much different but will eventually guarentee you won't see a clubber. Hopefully things will settle down and I will be able to battle people my level again :/
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Post by zman on Jan 19, 2017 11:13:56 GMT -5
Then you were very lucky. There were a good number of people playing that would be using highly optimized hangers full of Au and WP weapons and bots like Magnum Gepards etc with much higher level weapons than you could deploy like a 4/12 or a 3/9 etc and they would just steamroll matches and collect max rewards. That was Seal Clubbing or kind of Farming. The new MM will settle down and your matches will get better, and likely at your level it won't feel much different but will eventually guarentee you won't see a clubber. Hopefully things will settle down and I will be able to battle people my level again :/ If you posted a screenshot of your hanger and your winrate etc also a screenshot of the weakest and the strongest opponents on each team it would helps see just how unbalanced your matches are. I would definitely give it some time, you'll end up facing appropriate opponents soon enough.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Jan 19, 2017 11:17:52 GMT -5
I'm king of the MF'ing hill on iOS when I run solo now. I don't get it. I don't have a clubbers hanger at all (L6/9 & M4/6, 1 TMGep and a variety pack of other Ag bots), but I have maintained a consistently high Win%. Then I went squad-ing with [2wik] and saw the massive "rubber-banding" that folks have been talking about for myself. Once again, 'bipolar' matches, we owned or got pwnd.
Think of your MM score more like a pendulum, always swinging back and forth. I believe what a lot of folks are seeing is more like wild swings, because everybody's rating is being adjusted up and down, and this early into the system, those changes are going to tend to be drastic.
There are no more tiers, so please stop pining about the loss of exploitable Bronze and Silver. It doesn't matter if you had 5 Gepards or a variety pack of bots. If you had level 4 bots with level 12 guns or some similar disparity, you were exploiting the matchmaker, and the only debate is over to what degree. Pixo is closing that loophole, finally, and I for one think they deserve a standing ovation for it.
For the rest of us that just wanna play, I know I can't stop the flaming, but please be patient. I'll see you on the battlefields.
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crave1ne
GI. Patton
Posts: 149
Karma: 56
Pilot name: crave1ne
Platform: Android
Clan: ŴIҜITT€ŇŞ [ധ¡к¡]
League: Gold
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Carnage
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Post by crave1ne on Jan 19, 2017 11:19:25 GMT -5
Jesus, was just up against Leo's Fujin ( or whatever those spider f!cking things are called), and what looked like Dest' with mags on them....
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Post by WE034 on Jan 19, 2017 11:29:34 GMT -5
I wonder why they don't update both servers at the same time? It's bugging me. Probably because it's less risky. If the MM crashes and burns or is broadly unpopular, they would have only antagonized about half of their user base (or whatever the breakdown is). If it works well, the half that gets it later won't mind as much (especially since this change was never officially announced), and also will likely be encouraged that the improvement is coming soon. A/B testing you think? Makes horse sense to me, think you're right Ink. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/B_testing
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pj
Destrier
Posts: 63
Karma: 20
Pilot name: iii-PJ
Platform: iOS
Clan: Lethal Injection
League: Expert
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Aphid Patton
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Post by pj on Jan 19, 2017 11:32:54 GMT -5
I've said it in another post and I'll say it again here. The new mm is challenging, It upsets the existing status quo that the player base has gotten accustomed. I run a balanced hangar, lvl 8 bots with lvl 8 weapons +/- 1. I've had to work to win in all my recent matches, it hasn't been easy. I played a game this morning where my entire team meched out leaving me to fight alone against 5 reds. Even though we took a strong lead by taking 4 out of 5 caps, I thought we had it in the bag until the realization kicked in that I wasn't getting any reinforcements. Reviewing the hangers of team mates and reds reveals no consistent pattern that indicates one side is getting an advantage. However the wins I've earned feel well deserved b/c I had to work for it. You can't camp all match just as you can't knife fight your way to a win. This just leads me to believe that Pix is pushing us to unlock the 5th slot, upgrade all weapons/bots evenly and diversify bots for a better chance at winning.
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