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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 15:37:49 GMT -5
My take on it is that the new MM was just released so everyone's rating starts out neutral or at 0. That is why you see 12/12 players matched up against low players. But, once everyone has played a decent amount of games to make their ratings go up or down, things will start to settle down and you will be matched more evenly. Unless you're actually an above average player. Then it's just a handful of matches before you're punished for a while.
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Post by zman on Jan 18, 2017 15:38:42 GMT -5
My take on it is that the new MM was just released so everyone's rating starts out neutral or at 0. That is why you see 12/12 players matched up against low players. But, once everyone has played a decent amount of games to make their ratings go up or down, things will start to settle down and you will be matched more evenly. Maybe it does start out at 0, but I think Hanger Strength still plays a factor. After three matches things seemed to be in right ballpard, after 6 it had honed in, after 8 it looks solid. I'll give it a week or so to reserve judgement, but so far so good. Interestingly enough losses haven't been forced on me, I'm still holding onto my mid 70% win rate. Well, to be truthful, I'm running slightly above average since the new MM dropped. The high end of my hanger is a 9/9.5 Lance, Low end is a 8/9 Carnage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 15:48:43 GMT -5
Stop complaining and start playing. Cheers to the rest of you. I don't think it's hit Android yet, but when it does I'm going to assume that the MM will force losses on me until my win rate goes down, since tiers have been abandoned. With that in mind I will probably start quitting, not out of rage, but as a time consideration. If I drop in, grab a beacon just to appear active for a minute to the system, and drop out only to immediately do the same in the next game I should be able to absorb the necessary losses fairly quickly. After all, I'm destined to lose regardless of skill, since I'm not 12/12 and if I'm destined to lose then so is my team, therefore I'm not actually griefing them. Do that 50 times to clear the board and then see what happens. I am on android. Yes tbe changes have taken place. Yes I am in a higher tier. I run what was once silver 6/8. A bit more challenging but I am surviving just fine. Not wining every game or loosing either. Just the right amount.
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Post by soulcoffr on Jan 18, 2017 16:23:18 GMT -5
Just ran a couple of random battles with the hangar I have here. Seemed to be just right. I wasn't getting creamed, nor were the red team a bunch of patsies.
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Post by soulcoffr on Jan 18, 2017 16:26:48 GMT -5
I think this change may make it more fun to try out different weapon arrangements and bot choices.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:27:38 GMT -5
I don't think it's hit Android yet, but when it does I'm going to assume that the MM will force losses on me until my win rate goes down, since tiers have been abandoned. With that in mind I will probably start quitting, not out of rage, but as a time consideration. If I drop in, grab a beacon just to appear active for a minute to the system, and drop out only to immediately do the same in the next game I should be able to absorb the necessary losses fairly quickly. After all, I'm destined to lose regardless of skill, since I'm not 12/12 and if I'm destined to lose then so is my team, therefore I'm not actually griefing them. Do that 50 times to clear the board and then see what happens. I am on android. Yes tbe changes have taken place. Yes I am in a higher tier. I run what was once silver 6/8. A bit more challenging but I am surviving just fine. Not wining every game or loosing either. Just the right amount. Seriously, it's been implemented? Honestly, I cannot tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:30:40 GMT -5
I am on android. Yes tbe changes have taken place. Yes I am in a higher tier. I run what was once silver 6/8. A bit more challenging but I am surviving just fine. Not wining every game or loosing either. Just the right amount. Seriously, it's been implemented? Honestly, I cannot tell. probably because you were doing well in your tier. not the best not The worst. Grats
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:31:39 GMT -5
I still can't believe it's been implemented for Android. Sorry, but the only losses I've had were completely reasonable. I haven't seen a single bot from a higher tier than my highest bot + the original win rate % adjustment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:34:56 GMT -5
Seriously, it's been implemented? Honestly, I cannot tell. probably because you were doing well in your tier. not the best not The worst. Grats Ummmm, I had a 90%+ win rate when it hit. I had also just upgraded one of my weapons, so that according to the original MM theories I would have bumped up to the bottom of the next tier, which is exactly what it seems I'm seeing. I've only lost a few matches and they were completely understandable. Typical stuff like beacon control. I had 1 match where I was #3 in damage. Otherwise, I've continued to take in 10 Au and currently have an 88% win rate. Edited to add the screenshot I just took. Had to switch to tablet.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 18, 2017 16:41:27 GMT -5
I feel it is a fair MM now. If you want to complain, ?female dog? and moan without video proof of the issue i will not listen or believe your complaint. Perhaps you just Don't have the skill to be using the bots and weapons you fast tracked for the tier you are in. My clan mates and I have played 30 matches this morning. I am running 6/8 leos and 6/8 griffs. We are definatly seeing gold tier members. But guess what? The teams are evenly spread. You get one player with top notch bots and a few who definatly do not. It comes down to your skill. You had a great score because you were using Gepard/aphid and you found it easy to kill players. Those players usually never gave much resitance, they were the same caliber of player as you or less. Welcome to the big leagues. We can dip,duck,dodge and dive ya. Perhaps using the gep for its intended purposes. Cap the beacons and chip the health. Learn how to use your robots and weapons. I'll say it again. If you want to complain, post a video of your game play and what your opponants were using. just from watching your movements I could probably tell you what tier you should be in. Cheers and good luck relearning how to use a full hanger of diffrent bots. What are you even talking about? The MM changes the iOS people are talking about aren't present on Android yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:43:43 GMT -5
What are you even talking about? The MM changes the iOS people are talking about aren't present on Android yet. That's what I thought. There was no way with what I've been seeing.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 18, 2017 16:52:00 GMT -5
What are you even talking about? The MM changes the iOS people are talking about aren't present on Android yet. That's what I thought. There was no way with what I've been seeing. I've seen normal matches in tiers 2, 3 and 5 today. Win rate of over 90% in those low and high Bronze matches, and somewhere in the 70's in high Silver (multiple Android devices and accounts in my household). So I suppose it's *possible* the new MM is on Android, I very much doubt it because I think it very likely I would be seeing 'business as usual' matches with my statistics.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 18, 2017 16:55:21 GMT -5
Maybe this is what I was seeing today. If it is I don't like it AT ALL. My main account is Android, but I have another on iOS that I play sometimes. I have a high silver hangar and a low bronze (2/5 lights) hangar in iOS. Today, every single time I tried to play my 2/5 lights, I was put into high silver matches. I tried multiple times off and on over a few hours, thinking it was the hangar switch delay bug. Now I'm not so sure. If this new MM makes it impossible for me to switch tiers easily for variety, I'm going to be liking this game a lot less. Maybe you can try using one account solely for one tier and the other solely for the other. If what folks said about ELO is any indication, repeatedly playing the bronze hangar long enough will get MM to eventually adjust.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:59:04 GMT -5
I didn't see much of a change, still paired up with the usual Natasha Raijin team. The best lineup I saw was 7 / 7 - 8 3x Lance + 2x Galahad. I run 6 / 8s
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 18, 2017 17:05:55 GMT -5
I don't think it's hit Android yet, but when it does I'm going to assume that the MM will force losses on me until my win rate goes down, since tiers have been abandoned. With that in mind I will probably start quitting, not out of rage, but as a time consideration. If I drop in, grab a beacon just to appear active for a minute to the system, and drop out only to immediately do the same in the next game I should be able to absorb the necessary losses fairly quickly. After all, I'm destined to lose regardless of skill, since I'm not 12/12 and if I'm destined to lose then so is my team, therefore I'm not actually griefing them. Do that 50 times to clear the board and then see what happens. I am on android. Yes tbe changes have taken place. Yes I am in a higher tier. I run what was once silver 6/8. A bit more challenging but I am surviving just fine. Not wining every game or loosing either. Just the right amount. Goatreaper - just my observation but the majority of the observations on drastic changes are coming from IOS players....A number of Android players on this forum and the FB page are saying they are not seeing the same types of changes. so either the android platform game had a better player system without the mismatches or the change has not hit Android, yet. The old MM always had hiccups sometimes, but what a lot of us lvl 30 pilots in IOS are seeing is full scale projectile vomiting with the scope of changes right off the bat....yes, it is settling down, but the initial 6-8 matches were so wildly different than yesterday that you would notice, like getting punched in the eye. My 6/9 heavy line up was routinely up against max players and hi tier gold clans in the initial matches but now has settled down a bit to more normal low/hi tier gold players.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 18, 2017 17:09:14 GMT -5
I didn't see much of a change, still paired up with the usual Natasha Raijin team. The best lineup I saw was 7 / 7 - 8 3x Lance + 2x Galahad. I run 6 / 8s What is your win rate? 45-60%? The other pilots on your team and red about the same win rate as you? im maintaining a 78% win rate with my 6/9 heavy line up with a clan squad so I'm seeing tougher competition (higher level bots/weps, more experienced pilots) than what I saw Yesterday - which makes sense to me based on what I understand about the Elo system.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 18, 2017 17:16:36 GMT -5
I'd like to challenge the logic here. It's the MM system. It can't match players from just one OS. If it did, a player in the same clan couldn't play together if they were using different operating systems. I couldn't play with my iPad buddy. Therefore, the update would need to happen for players of both OS.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 18, 2017 17:18:34 GMT -5
I feel it is a fair MM now. If you want to complain, ?female dog? and moan without video proof of the issue i will not listen or believe your complaint. Perhaps you just Don't have the skill to be using the bots and weapons you fast tracked for the tier you are in. My clan mates and I have played 30 matches this morning. I am running 6/8 leos and 6/8 griffs. We are definatly seeing gold tier members. But guess what? The teams are evenly spread. You get one player with top notch bots and a few who definatly do not. ... What are you even talking about? The MM changes the iOS people are talking about aren't present on Android yet. Our new clan is in Android, and one of the newer members who used to farm reports that his farming hangar got matched with other farmers. And Goat's hangar is High Silver, so he shouldn't be seeing Gold tier if it were still the old MM, as he said.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 18, 2017 17:23:29 GMT -5
I'd like to challenge the logic here. It's the MM system. It can't match players from just one OS. If it did, a player in the same clan couldn't play together if they were using different operating systems. I couldn't play with my iPad buddy. Therefore, the update would need to happen for players of both OS. Well, technically it could. Since iOS and Android players can't play each other, Pixonic is likely using different servers for them. There was no client side update, so they could easily have updated the software on the servers for one platform while leaving the other one unchanged. That would have been a less risky way to go about it, actually. But as I said before, one of our Android members says he can't farm anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 17:25:04 GMT -5
I'd like to challenge the logic here. It's the MM system. It can't match players from just one OS. If it did, a player in the same clan couldn't play together if they were using different operating systems. I couldn't play with my iPad buddy. Therefore, the update would need to happen for players of both OS. I have no idea what you're referring to here.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 18, 2017 17:39:01 GMT -5
Well, $***. Didn't know that. I'm guessing my buddy doesn't actually have an iPad, he just calls it that. Which wouldn't surprise me, he's a bit of a choad.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 18, 2017 17:39:14 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to play enough to evaluate it myself, but as I've said in other MM and ELO threads, I am very much in favor of this, as it is exactly the kind of change that I have been calling for ever since I joined this forum.
The inability to easily switch tiers is a drawback, but I think the benefit is well worth the cost. Me, I was pretty much only playing low Silver to squad with clanmates, greatly preferring the challenge of High Silver. As long as I can still hit tasks, I'm all good. I'm used to earning Gold slowly and gradually, and I like it that way. It feels like the way the game was intended to be experienced.
It kinda felt like there were two factions within Pixonic. All the cool parts were from the game designers and developers that really loved the game, and the broken MM felt like something the corporate suits asked them to throw in there. So, I'm rather pleasantly shocked. Usually the suits always win.
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Post by blognio on Jan 18, 2017 17:43:46 GMT -5
New players are finally, it seems.....safe. wait so can i still farm with thunder shutze 1/5
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Post by zman on Jan 18, 2017 17:49:49 GMT -5
What are you even talking about? The MM changes the iOS people are talking about aren't present on Android yet. That's what I thought. There was no way with what I've been seeing. With your hanger and winrate you won't have any doubt when the changes go into affect. It will be quite apparent. I'm pretty sure I said WFT out loud when I saw what was going on before it settled down.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 18, 2017 18:00:42 GMT -5
Any hope of actual confirmation from Pix? Rather than all of our guesses based on either observation in an imperfect environment for analysis or 2nd hand knowledge?
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Post by Desolator on Jan 18, 2017 18:02:18 GMT -5
I can confirm that the new MM is not on android yet. I've played few matches with my high bronze hanger and didn't notice any change. Also played HS/LG hanger with no change.
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Post by Desolator on Jan 18, 2017 18:03:06 GMT -5
Played these matched in the last couple of hours
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 18, 2017 18:04:57 GMT -5
That's what I thought. There was no way with what I've been seeing. With your hanger and winrate you won't have any doubt when the changes go into affect. It will be quite apparent. I'm pretty sure I said WFT out loud when I saw what was going on before it settled down. Ha! I had the same reaction of 「whiskey tango foxtrot」! Five games with my silver line up matched against top tier pilots and I knew the MM change was in....quick check of the forum confirmed others were seeing it. swapped into my lo gold line and squad'ed up and proceeded to get back to winning matches but they were definitely different players than what I've experienced until it started to settle down this afternoon. Got tossed into some matches with previous clan mates who only play top tier....we've never run across each other in matches for months. Oh well - just wish Pix would just say the change is in (they did respond that they changed MM to another player after he complained).
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 18, 2017 18:16:57 GMT -5
With your hanger and winrate you won't have any doubt when the changes go into affect. It will be quite apparent. I'm pretty sure I said WFT out loud when I saw what was going on before it settled down. Ha! I had the same reaction of 「whiskey tango foxtrot」! Five games with my silver line up matched against top tier pilots and I knew the MM change was in....quick check of the forum confirmed others were seeing it. swapped into my lo gold line and squad'ed up and proceeded to get back to winning matches but they were definitely different players than what I've experienced until it started to settle down this afternoon. Got tossed into some matches with previous clan mates who only play top tier....we've never run across each other in matches for months. Oh well - just wish Pix would just say the change is in (they did respond that they changed MM to another player after he complained). OK, so was that on iOS? The guy who got confirmation?
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Post by sweetpickle on Jan 18, 2017 18:20:48 GMT -5
This thread has gotten pretty long, I might be better off starting a new one , but I'll try. Does anybody know if there is still a WSP/gold bot penalty? I have run my Cossack hangar and my "silver" hangar. Not really seeing any difference. Still killing slow, bad heavies(6/5 to 6/10 reds for both hangars)
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