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Post by TravLar on Oct 3, 2017 3:51:21 GMT -5
I'm with WilsonK, give 'em (Pix) a chance. Sure they've made mistakes in the past but they've also made some really good changes. I'm holding thumbs.
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Post by novena on Oct 3, 2017 4:04:25 GMT -5
nice that what I call slapping players with sugar coated hands .. good job pixo
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Post by SuperHero on Oct 3, 2017 5:01:38 GMT -5
That's not an update. It's a recap. The big news will be in about a week's time.
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Post by f1amereaver on Oct 3, 2017 5:35:19 GMT -5
Pilots! I agree and let's everybody take a step back...calm yourselves...we can't fight against the red team if we are fighting amongst ourselves..! But I am the red team
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Post by Eurobercik on Oct 3, 2017 6:12:27 GMT -5
The problem is that there is no easy solution for this. The most important insult is that new bots/weapons are OP and not accessible to players, unless they'll pay insane amount of money. So it's very nice that they're adding new stuff, but I will get my first Ember in 2019, so I cannot really say I'm happy with that. Not to mention Haechi, who is so overpowered, that no other robot can compete him. However, if K-bots and stuff will be nerfed and accessible to everyone, "whales" will be angry. And if I would spent 300$ on a Haechi, I would be angry that after two weeks it's worthless. That would be just stealing.
So, now, what should Pixonic do? There is no right solution. But remember, that whales spent a great deal of money, not you. I just don't believe that K-bots and stuff will be ever accessible to normal players. When I finally get my Haechi, there'll be thousands of new OP bots.
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Post by hyderier on Oct 3, 2017 6:29:48 GMT -5
So, now, what should Pixonic do? There is no right solution. Sure there is. It's just a matter if will at Pix. I can give my terms to them: 1. Gimme a reasoable way to get all the new stuff by playing (max 3 months of playing 3 wins/day, like top Au bots are now), and I'll pay for premium to have silver for upgrading it. This was the case until WW bots, even until Dashes. 2. Make just some of less good the new stuff available, and I'll keep being content for the whales to shoot at, but will probably not pay for premium. 3. Make essentially none of the new stuff available (Jesse and Doc are kinda available but grind cost is ridiculous for their value), and I'll find new games. This is the situation now. Now it's up to them if they agree, or if I just go away. And while 1 player doesn't matter anything, I think my sentiment is shared by enough players that it matters.
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Post by _psychø on Oct 3, 2017 7:22:51 GMT -5
"The balance changes were deliberately minor so as not to upset the meta too much" buffing the trebs and hydras by 5% every month isn't minor.
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Post by Russel on Oct 3, 2017 8:44:48 GMT -5
"The balance changes were deliberately minor so as not to upset the meta too much" buffing the trebs and hydras by 5% every month isn't minor. Let's be honest, in EVERY battle there are at least 30~40 Tarans and Orkans, and only 3~10 Trebuchets, the most. Pretty often (Valley, DeadCity) there are even 0 Trebuchets. That's exactly the sign of one weapon being OP and another being underwhelming.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 3, 2017 8:48:52 GMT -5
Oh my god so much ?firetruck?ing whining in these threads. Literally this entire week everyone has been ?female dog?ing about how Pixonic hasn't been doing anything to address the issues and then they come out and say "Ok wow holy ?poo-poo? you guys are pissed ok yes we are working to fix this" and you people expect them to fix it in like a day. I swear to ?firetruck?ing god, the internet is ruining people; have just a tiny bit of patience and let them work it out. Obviously the fact that everyone in this thread took the time to reply in it means you haven't decided to drop the game and all of your bloody whining is just that, bloody whining. Yes, they've ?firetruck?ed their own game pretty hard, and if they don't fix it, it will probably fail. If it does, so be it, those are the consequences of their terrible management and utterly inept game balancing. But so what? Everyone in this thread is acting like they're entitled to this game. It's an iPad game you 「fake pee place」s, calm your ?firetruck?ing 「huge tracts of land」. Sorry, but can't agree with this. This isn't like Pix just introduced this stuff and needs time to tweak it. A lot of these issues have either been around for a long time or were trialed on the TS, where all the negative feedback they're getting now is exactly what they were given when it was being tested, which they completely ignored then just as they're brushing off now as just player perceptions. Black Market and Components (and the ridiculous prices for them both) are very new, and in my opinion, a grave miscalculation on their part. But that cat is already out of the bag, so all they can do now is damage control, and they're not doing a very good job at that, either. There's still a lot to like about this game, but they've done a lot to dislike. They have a demonstrated history of ignoring the input of their players. And instead of fixing what they've screwed up, they keep introducing more screw-ups. It's not like any of this stuff is recent -- it's a pattern that players are simply getting tired of. And kindly watch your language -- that kind for vitriol directed at members is not appreciated in the least.
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Post by _psychø on Oct 3, 2017 9:56:37 GMT -5
"The balance changes were deliberately minor so as not to upset the meta too much" buffing the trebs and hydras by 5% every month isn't minor. Let's be honest, in EVERY battle there are at least 30~40 Tarans and Orkans, and only 3~10 Trebuchets, the most. Pretty often (Valley, DeadCity) there are even 0 Trebuchets. That's exactly the sign of one weapon being OP and another being underwhelming. But when two fury trebs dominant a whole map, it's OP! Just like in FPS games, not many people use sniper rifles but they are pretty strong. The treb isn't underwhelming or weak, just not many people prefer sitting back and firing from 1100m.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Oct 3, 2017 10:07:31 GMT -5
The problem is that there is no easy solution for this. The most important insult is that new bots/weapons are OP and not accessible to players, unless they'll pay insane amount of money. So it's very nice that they're adding new stuff, but I will get my first Ember in 2019, so I cannot really say I'm happy with that. Not to mention Haechi, who is so overpowered, that no other robot can compete him. However, if K-bots and stuff will be nerfed and accessible to everyone, "whales" will be angry. And if I would spent 300$ on a Haechi, I would be angry that after two weeks it's worthless. That would be just stealing. So, now, what should Pixonic do? There is no right solution. But remember, that whales spent a great deal of money, not you. I just don't believe that K-bots and stuff will be ever accessible to normal players. When I finally get my Haechi, there'll be thousands of new OP bots. Well, I've said this in other posts but... to make everyone a tad bit happier, they could just GIVE, yes I said "GIVE" everyone one free dash. Or at least make a limit of ONE easily accessible through playing/grinding. The free players could at least have one in thier hangar to have fun piloting and battle other dashes with and the paying players would just get an extra one. I couldn't see anyone complaining if this happened.
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Post by arakos on Oct 3, 2017 10:13:55 GMT -5
I don't understand this... does it mean "per promotion" or 20% increase after 12 promotions?
Translation please
Arakos
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Post by Russel on Oct 3, 2017 10:17:53 GMT -5
I don't understand this... does it mean "per promotion" or 20% increase after 12 promotions? Translation please Arakos _initially_ they said it would be "additional 12 levels", you can check that in Fall roadmap video. But now they've double backed and willing only to make one, +20% promotion thingy.
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Post by Russel on Oct 3, 2017 10:25:19 GMT -5
Let's be honest, in EVERY battle there are at least 30~40 Tarans and Orkans, and only 3~10 Trebuchets, the most. Pretty often (Valley, DeadCity) there are even 0 Trebuchets. That's exactly the sign of one weapon being OP and another being underwhelming. But when two fury trebs dominant a whole map, it's OP! Just like in FPS games, not many people use sniper rifles but they are pretty strong. The treb isn't underwhelming or weak, just not many people prefer sitting back and firing from 1100m. I guess it's just a bad player, if he gets dominated by a Trebuchet Fury (or two). Usually, you just need a shield, and you can press all the campers back to spawn (Expert league team). Every weapon needs its time to shine. Right now Trebuchet can dominate on a few maps, and ONLY if it's backed up by some tough cannon fodder. It's the same with Hydra. Feels OP when my Jesse is being hit by one, but in Carnage it's not a big problem really. To be well-balanced weapon need to strike fear _in right conditions_ As an example I can ask you: which weapon is best - Orkan or Taran? The answer is not clear. It depends on player, map, bot, the enemy team and even time of the battle (I prefer Orkans late in the battle, and Tarans as an opening gun). However, if a new player asks you: What should I get 2xTaran or a Trebuchet, what would you recommend? And that's what makes weapon imbalanced. It's when 80% of players can use it in 80% of maps\bots and achieve good results; While Trebuchet is really situational.
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Post by arakos on Oct 3, 2017 10:27:55 GMT -5
I don't understand this... does it mean "per promotion" or 20% increase after 12 promotions? Translation please Arakos _initially_ they said it would be "additional 12 levels", you can check that in Fall roadmap video. But now they've double backed and willing only to make one, +20% promotion thingy. Oh, ok. So it's like a 13th level Thanks!
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 3, 2017 10:29:44 GMT -5
$225 for a Korean bot.
Are they on crack?
First Gold and Silver. Then WSP. Then IP. Now components...They need to get their 「dookie」 together. I think if I could convert 10,000 WSP to 5,000 Components and a 1:1 ratio for gold it would be better. Still double the cost of a Lancelot or Fury but at least some conversion.
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Post by hon_shu on Oct 3, 2017 10:55:16 GMT -5
That's not an update. It's a recap. The big news will be in about a week's time. Agreed. Yet it's the latest piece of information publicly available and published after the outcry on Friday. I have updated my original post accordingly to point this out.
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Post by f1amereaver on Oct 3, 2017 11:12:35 GMT -5
Speaking as a relativly new player, but one that has spent fair bit on this game in order to ' catch up' and be competative - (yes i am impatient) It feels like Pix have deliberatly devalued gold and is hanging on waiting for everyone with stockpiles to spend it on upgrades/skins etc. before they drop any way of converting gold to components
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Post by hurtbot on Oct 3, 2017 11:41:23 GMT -5
We are talking about a company whose leadership not only KNOWINGLY exploits people with mental illnesses, but also puts a great deal of time and energy into exploiting them more effectively. They KNOW there are people who are unable to stop themselves from maxing out their credit cards and/or buying bots instead of food. Now if that isn't a grown-up topic, kindly explain to me what you would call it. An insult to whales? Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean someone else is mentally ill because they do. Let's admit that 90% of the discussion isn't about the exploitation of whales. It's about the whales being able to exploit us because they are willing to spend a seemingly absurd amount to beat us. Well, statistically speaking it is FAR more likely that a whale is an addict than it is that they are just someone with enough disposable income to spend $1000 a month on a mobile game. But hey, let's ignore all the data collected by the mental health professionals... it's more important that they are using the money they should be spending on clothes and food to beat you at a mobile game.
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Post by amidf on Oct 3, 2017 11:52:18 GMT -5
An insult to whales? Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean someone else is mentally ill because they do. Let's admit that 90% of the discussion isn't about the exploitation of whales. It's about the whales being able to exploit us because they are willing to spend a seemingly absurd amount to beat us. Well, statistically speaking it is FAR more likely that a whale is an addict than it is that they are just someone with enough disposable income to spend $1000 a month on a mobile game. But hey, let's ignore all the data collected by the mental health professionals... it's more important that they are using the money they should be spending on clothes and food to beat you at a mobile game. Cite, please. The whales in CoC were often from oil-rich countries and were in national clans (personal observation only). Where are the data collected by mental health professionals on the proportion of ill people spending on mobile games?
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Post by hyderier on Oct 3, 2017 11:55:00 GMT -5
Speaking as a relativly new player, but one that has spent fair bit on this game in order to ' catch up' and be competative - (yes i am impatient) It feels like Pix have deliberatly devalued gold and is hanging on waiting for everyone with stockpiles to spend it on upgrades/skins etc. before they drop any way of converting gold to components If they wanted people to spend the Au stockpiles, they'd need to provide something of value to spend it on... But it appears the Au is now worth just it's Ag conversion ratio, and WSP is worthless. Even if they come up with some way to use WSP, you can bet it will not be available for free players.... How about filling up the bot currency after you have at least 5000 of the type, great saving opportunity, eh?
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Post by _psychø on Oct 3, 2017 11:57:54 GMT -5
But when two fury trebs dominant a whole map, it's OP! Just like in FPS games, not many people use sniper rifles but they are pretty strong. The treb isn't underwhelming or weak, just not many people prefer sitting back and firing from 1100m. I guess it's just a bad player, if he gets dominated by a Trebuchet Fury (or two). Usually, you just need a shield, and you can press all the campers back to spawn (Expert league team). Every weapon needs its time to shine. Right now Trebuchet can dominate on a few maps, and ONLY if it's backed up by some tough cannon fodder. It's the same with Hydra. Feels OP when my Jesse is being hit by one, but in Carnage it's not a big problem really. To be well-balanced weapon need to strike fear _in right conditions_ As an example I can ask you: which weapon is best - Orkan or Taran? The answer is not clear. It depends on player, map, bot, the enemy team and even time of the battle (I prefer Orkans late in the battle, and Tarans as an opening gun). However, if a new player asks you: What should I get 2xTaran or a Trebuchet, what would you recommend? And that's what makes weapon imbalanced. It's when 80% of players can use it in 80% of maps\bots and achieve good results; While Trebuchet is really situational. If you get crushed by trebs it doesn't mean that you're a Bad player, not all players use Bulgasaris and Lancelots. And it's true that it can be good only in some maps but that doesn't change the fact that you can deal up to 73k damage from somewhere you cannot be touched in two seconds. Same goes for the hydra, a Hydra Fujin can do over 40k damage with a single salvo from up to 600m, its even worse than trebuchet because you can barely hide from it if you don't have ancile shield! And I don't agree with the 80% usage makes the unbalance, it means that the specific bot or weapon is effective, people don't use the Griffin because it's OP as the Inquisitor but because it's good, people use tarans more than orkans because they're affordable in early game and pretty effective. However I can pretty much say that everything in the game is now overpowered due to the constant buffing to weapons.
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Post by Poopface on Oct 3, 2017 12:04:45 GMT -5
“You have spoken, loud and clear, and we have heard you. We are feeding your comments back to the Marketing and Dev Team.” Boy, that sure reads pretty ominously.
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Post by hurtbot on Oct 3, 2017 12:06:38 GMT -5
Well, statistically speaking it is FAR more likely that a whale is an addict than it is that they are just someone with enough disposable income to spend $1000 a month on a mobile game. But hey, let's ignore all the data collected by the mental health professionals... it's more important that they are using the money they should be spending on clothes and food to beat you at a mobile game. Cite, please. The whales in CoC were often from oil-rich countries and were in national clans (personal observation only). Where are the data collected by mental health professionals on the proportion of ill people spending on mobile games? I've posted links to multiple articles on here before. They aren't that hard to find. Google is your friend. Also, I've worked in healthcare for 25 years and I have actually seen and talked with these folks... Call it personal observation in a professional setting.
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Post by Russel on Oct 3, 2017 12:44:33 GMT -5
I guess it's just a bad player, if he gets dominated by a Trebuchet Fury (or two). Usually, you just need a shield, and you can press all the campers back to spawn (Expert league team). Every weapon needs its time to shine. Right now Trebuchet can dominate on a few maps, and ONLY if it's backed up by some tough cannon fodder. It's the same with Hydra. Feels OP when my Jesse is being hit by one, but in Carnage it's not a big problem really. To be well-balanced weapon need to strike fear _in right conditions_ As an example I can ask you: which weapon is best - Orkan or Taran? The answer is not clear. It depends on player, map, bot, the enemy team and even time of the battle (I prefer Orkans late in the battle, and Tarans as an opening gun). However, if a new player asks you: What should I get 2xTaran or a Trebuchet, what would you recommend? And that's what makes weapon imbalanced. It's when 80% of players can use it in 80% of maps\bots and achieve good results; While Trebuchet is really situational. If you get crushed by trebs it doesn't mean that you're a Bad player, not all players use Bulgasaris and Lancelots.And it's true that it can be good only in some maps but that doesn't change the fact that you can deal up to 73k damage from somewhere you cannot be touched in two seconds. Same goes for the hydra, a Hydra Fujin can do over 40k damage with a single salvo from up to 600m, its even worse than trebuchet because you can barely hide from it if you don't have ancile shield! And I don't agree with the 80% usage makes the unbalance, it means that the specific bot or weapon is effective, people don't use the Griffin because it's OP as the Inquisitor but because it's good, people use tarans more than orkans because they're affordable in early game and pretty effective. However I can pretty much say that everything in the game is now overpowered due to the constant buffing to weapons. Rhino, Galahad, Golem with ECU - everything goes well against Trebuchet-Gekko-Hydra. And every time I hear "someone can deal damage from long range where he couldn't be touched" I recall my Spring experience. I met and Ancilot. Magnum couldn't touch it due to armour, rockets couldn't damage it due to Ancile.. Guess what people said when I suggested it's freaking cheating? "Haha, stop whining, you are slacker, get yourself one and you will be honorable pilot". That's exactly the same situation. I WANT to be able to destroy Ancilot close range with Trebuchet Butch, but I can't. It's actually hilarious to see. Same goes about Hydra. Get a Thunder Carnage vs Hydra Fujin, and let's talk about "overpowered". Fujin won't live long enough to release 6 hydra missiles. Everything is "overpowered" in its own way. However due to some _strange_ reasons War Robots is perceived as a "close range shooter", and people really getting upset when something other than 350m can damage enemy bot (remember RDB rant or recent Zeus rant); and they think for some _strange_ reasons that ANY knife fighter should be able to take out ANY long range fighter. Honestly, how many salvos Trebuchet Butch could land at your bot at Yama? Three? And if you are in Rhino then two, probably. So in a duel when one side could only shoot _twice_ shots should be really painful, otherwise, it's just a decoration and not a weapon. P.s. and I wanted to point out that using Lancelot against sniper is a really bad idea. If you are open to discussion I can give you some advice to take them out with ZERO gold or $$ spent. If you just love CQC and think sniping should be out of game - play Beacon Rush, snipers are rare in those mode.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Oct 4, 2017 8:24:11 GMT -5
If Pix wanted to fix it, they would've already fixed it.
They themselves admit they've taken "unprecedented" flak for their recent moves. Okay; why is this a surprise to them? Isn't that what they employ market analysts for? Aren't those analysis what they base their marketing strategy off of?
So we're all supposed to believe, like the good little sheeple we are, that Poor Old Pixonic made a boo-boo. That, my friends, is sheer and utter CROCK. If it were true, the management at this business is so bad, they'd have gone bankrupt years ago. No; they did exactly what they intended, and they figured everyone was stupid enough to just go along with it. Except, then it blew up and they wound up with a bunch of poopla on their faces. And realized, "crap, we stepped too far and they hate us."
So now, their empty promise to "fix" their game is meaningless unless and until it becomes an actuality. Sure, they may roll out some changes that make things a little better. But what, precisely, would it entail to truly "fix" this game?
The Dash bots are broken. The MM is broken. The currency system is broken.
If you want to fix the Dash bots, remove one Dash charge and 10% HP. Easy. (Oh wait, except they'd piss off every whale who spent six gazillion dollars building a Dash hangar. Well, sorry Pix...you kinda shot yourself in the foot here.)
If you want to fix the MM, go back to a gear-based system that matches you up based on the highest two items (weapons and mechs) in your hangar. If your highest two are both L9, you'll be up against L9 gear. If your highest two are L12 and L8, you'll be matched against L10 gear, even if the rest of your stuff is L5. Under this system Tanking becomes nonexistent, and Clubbing becomes virtually impossible.
If you want to fix the currency system...well, that one is a royal mess. There's no simple fix. This mess, however, is also of Pixonic's own making. So, tough!
Now, if Pix wanted to make this right, if they truly gave a Rat's Hinder Parts about their player base...
We'd already have seen a patch for the 3.2 update. If the Components aren't ready, they should've just pulled them entirely until they are. There's any number of small fixes they could make that would show their intentions. Instead their offended reaction to the uproar they've caused indicates they are under the "this is our game and we'll do whatever the F we want with it and screw you" attitude.
So, is Pixonic being run by a bunch of morons who don't know how to run a business, and make well-intentioned mistakes on an epic scale? Or are they being run by a bunch of morons who think their players are too stupid to get pissed off when Pix humps the pooch?
Neither scenario is good. Words from Pix have become meaningless. I'd like to be able to give Pix the benefit of the doubt, but they had that before and they lost it.
Point of all this? Not a rant, though it may partly sound like one. All I'm doing is pointing out the obvious: there are simple fixes to this game, and Pixonic has lost their right to being considered innocent until proven guilty.
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 4, 2017 9:09:46 GMT -5
they aren't going to nerf the Haechi, after Whales are paying $225+ for them, and most are running 4-5, there's no way Pix will Nerf them... So Pix will let the whales play on their own, and all of the rest of us can enjoy our WSP/Gold bots :-)
Not sure what to do with 40k in gold now.
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Post by Trogon on Oct 4, 2017 9:48:22 GMT -5
If you get crushed by trebs it doesn't mean that you're a Bad player, not all players use Bulgasaris and Lancelots.And it's true that it can be good only in some maps but that doesn't change the fact that you can deal up to 73k damage from somewhere you cannot be touched in two seconds. Same goes for the hydra, a Hydra Fujin can do over 40k damage with a single salvo from up to 600m, its even worse than trebuchet because you can barely hide from it if you don't have ancile shield! And I don't agree with the 80% usage makes the unbalance, it means that the specific bot or weapon is effective, people don't use the Griffin because it's OP as the Inquisitor but because it's good, people use tarans more than orkans because they're affordable in early game and pretty effective. However I can pretty much say that everything in the game is now overpowered due to the constant buffing to weapons. Rhino, Galahad, Golem with ECU - everything goes well against Trebuchet-Gekko-Hydra. And every time I hear "someone can deal damage from long range where he couldn't be touched" I recall my Spring experience. I met and Ancilot. Magnum couldn't touch it due to armour, rockets couldn't damage it due to Ancile.. Guess what people said when I suggested it's freaking cheating? "Haha, stop whining, you are slacker, get yourself one and you will be honorable pilot". That's exactly the same situation. I WANT to be able to destroy Ancilot close range with Trebuchet Butch, but I can't. It's actually hilarious to see. Same goes about Hydra. Get a Thunder Carnage vs Hydra Fujin, and let's talk about "overpowered". Fujin won't live long enough to release 6 hydra missiles. Everything is "overpowered" in its own way. However due to some _strange_ reasons War Robots is perceived as a "close range shooter", and people really getting upset when something other than 350m can damage enemy bot (remember RDB rant or recent Zeus rant); and they think for some _strange_ reasons that ANY knife fighter should be able to take out ANY long range fighter. Honestly, how many salvos Trebuchet Butch could land at your bot at Yama? Three? And if you are in Rhino then two, probably. So in a duel when one side could only shoot _twice_ shots should be really painful, otherwise, it's just a decoration and not a weapon. P.s. and I wanted to point out that using Lancelot against sniper is a really bad idea. If you are open to discussion I can give you some advice to take them out with ZERO gold or $$ spent. If you just love CQC and think sniping should be out of game - play Beacon Rush, snipers are rare in those mode. The real sign that trebs and gekkos are OP, imo, is that where a year ago you might see one or two treb bots on your team on Yama, which seems about right, now you sometimes see FIVE treb or gekko bots and the start of the match. Treb was probably slightly underpowered a year ago, but imo it's now probably slightly too strong but not horrbily OP. Its power is balanced fairly well by the long charge time between full-power shots, which gives opponents a chance to reposition and time movements. I personally think the gekkos are more OP. You used to hardly ever see them, which was a good sign they were underpowered. But imo, the repeated buffs and the change in dynamic so that they now do full damage from the start instead of requiring time on target to "heat up", has made them pretty devastating for anything without a physical shield. Heck, even with a physical shield. I've had my Lancelot shield destroyed pretty darn quickly by two gekko bots targeting me simultaneously. I also think tarans and orkans have been buffed too much too. Tarans can almost eat through shields like butter now. And speed and jumping both used to be defenses against orkans, but now neither is because of the changes to the orkan dynamics.
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Post by Russel on Oct 4, 2017 11:38:37 GMT -5
The real sign that trebs and gekkos are OP, imo, is that where a year ago you might see one or two treb bots on your team on Yama, which seems about right, now you sometimes see FIVE treb or gekko bots and the start of the match. Treb was probably slightly underpowered a year ago, but imo it's now probably slightly too strong but not horrbily OP. Its power is balanced fairly well by the long charge time between full-power shots, which gives opponents a chance to reposition and time movements. I personally think the gekkos are more OP. You used to hardly ever see them, which was a good sign they were underpowered. But imo, the repeated buffs and the change in dynamic so that they now do full damage from the start instead of requiring time on target to "heat up", has made them pretty devastating for anything without a physical shield. Heck, even with a physical shield. I've had my Lancelot shield destroyed pretty darn quickly by two gekko bots targeting me simultaneously. I also think tarans and orkans have been buffed too much too. Tarans can almost eat through shields like butter now. And speed and jumping both used to be defenses against orkans, but now neither is because of the changes to the orkan dynamics. I am not being smartass or something, please hear me out. You are saying that a weapon is really OP if you SOMETIMES see five or more of that on SOME maps, and I agree. That is EXACTLY the situation with Taran, Magnum, Orkan, Thunder, and it was the same for 2017 year (don't know about earlier). Spawn on ANY map, look around. A lot of those in game. That is a good sign that weapon is OP. Trebuchet and Gekko are just entering this area, but no way they are even close to Taran\Orkan\Magnum trio yet. The thing is people perceive the game as a "Taran-Orkan shooter", and it is the BEST weapon used by everybody. Once again, it is THE BEST weapon for almost any situation. It is the real sign of OP one. I hope Taran-Orkan-Magnum will soon become "situational" soon, as well as any weapon. For me the good sign of the game where there's NO overpowered weapon exist is the case when new player ask you: "What's the best weapon\bot in game?" and you can't answer because there are NO best ones. Sorry for being old and grumpy, but that was the case in original MechWarrior. Some weapons were long range, some short, some overheats your mech, others were too big, yet again some weapon got ammunition supply too low... Eh, good old times :-)
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Post by Russel on Oct 4, 2017 11:50:31 GMT -5
If Pix wanted to fix it, they would've already fixed it. If it were true, the management at this business is so bad, they'd have gone bankrupt years ago. No; they did exactly what they intended, and they figured everyone was stupid enough to just go along with it. Except, then it blew up and they wound up with a bunch of poopla on their faces. And realized, "crap, we stepped too far and they hate us." The Dash bots are broken. The MM is broken. The currency system is broken. If you want to fix the Dash bots, remove one Dash charge and 10% HP. Easy. (Oh wait, except they'd piss off every whale who spent six gazillion dollars building a Dash hangar. Well, sorry Pix...you kinda shot yourself in the foot here.) If you want to fix the MM, go back to a gear-based system that matches you up based on the highest two items (weapons and mechs) in your hangar. If your highest two are both L9, you'll be up against L9 gear. If your highest two are L12 and L8, you'll be matched against L10 gear, even if the rest of your stuff is L5. Under this system Tanking becomes nonexistent, and Clubbing becomes virtually impossible. Point of all this? Not a rant, though it may partly sound like one. All I'm doing is pointing out the obvious: there are simple fixes to this game, and Pixonic has lost their right to being considered innocent until proven guilty. Sorry for cutting your post short, I agree pretty much, and to illustrate your point - I just remembered the Dash appearance on test server, couldn't stop laughing :-D Pix: Here's a new bot! It's like Rog, but it jumps horizontally! Whatd'ya think? Testers: Well, hm, we guess it's ok. It's really much like a Rog... Okay, diversity is good. Pix (scratching head): Well.. we heard your review and we changed bot a bit. Same HP, but we added third weapon slot. And made it slower to compensate, sure. Testers: Hmm, yeah, now it's not like Rog for sure; the only 3-med is a Fujin, but Fujin got the Ancile at least. Whoa! Wait a minute! this thing got active Ancile? And it can dash? And faster than a Fujin? No way, this bot is too powerful. Pix (hehehe): Oh, you say too powerful? Thank you for feedback, that will do. Sorry, we meant we will rebalance it. Yes. Let's just add second dash on top. Testers: No-no, we meant it was ALREADY pretty much better than the most of the bots in game. Pix: Sure, we heard you. LOOK A NEW COSSACK SKIN FOR CHEAP! Testers: Wooow! Look at that, shiny! End of play.
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