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Post by Kanshou on Sept 9, 2017 17:53:34 GMT -5
I'm in the middle of upgrading my Tarans. Should I stop and start upgrading Punishers? It seems to me that Punishers are a better investment due to its several uses as opposed to plasma.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 18:15:40 GMT -5
Gunboats are a one-of if you choose to run them. Bullets still have a hard time with Anciles. Carnage, Ancilot and Haechi aren't exactly rare to see. If you solo play a lot,and dont have five slots yet, stick with plasma, you can't guarantee that your teammates will be there to kill that Carnage /fujin you've just wasted half a minute popping the shield on, so you want to be able to kill them outright.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Sept 10, 2017 2:37:53 GMT -5
Punisher has more range than taran, but when you fighting plasma griffin from close range you will dead first before plasma griffin
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Post by _psychø on Sept 10, 2017 6:48:08 GMT -5
Use the both if you can, each one is better than the other at something.
Plasma can kill faster and it's more accurate.
Punishers have the range and can do solid damage, they're also better at taking out Lancelots especially without an Ancile.
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Post by _psychø on Sept 10, 2017 6:51:30 GMT -5
Gunboats are a one-of if you choose to run them. Bullets still have a hard time with Anciles. Carnage, Ancilot and Haechi aren't exactly rare to see. If you solo play a lot,and dont have five slots yet, stick with plasma, you can't guarantee that your teammates will be there to kill that Carnage /fujin you've just wasted half a minute popping the shield on, so you want to be able to kill them outright. I don't agree with you actually! Carnage's have no chance in front of my punisher Griffin, their shield is weak, and also Fujins, as long as you stay out of their range. Of course plasma works better for them though but bullets aren't horrible either! |
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Sept 10, 2017 7:01:26 GMT -5
Punisher Orkan Doc is a great two step to murder shielded enemies. Use Punisher Ts to shred target shield and then as your Punisher clip winds down, step in to 300m and destroy the target with Orkans.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Sept 10, 2017 8:59:07 GMT -5
Punisher Orkan Doc is a great two step to murder shielded enemies. Use Punisher Ts to shred target shield and then as your Punisher clip winds down, step in to 300m and destroy the target with Orkans. well did you hear something like splash |
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Post by jckidd on Sept 10, 2017 9:08:33 GMT -5
Run both if possible in a 5 slot hanger
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Sept 10, 2017 9:41:47 GMT -5
Silver always being an issue, I'd go with Tarans. I use 2 Taran setups (PDB Griffins), 2 Orkan setups (DB Griffin and Orkan Ancilot), and 1 Punisher setup (Tempest/Punisher Lancelot or Thunder/Punisher Lancelot) - so you can see I use both Tarans and Punishers, but I lean towards Tarans.
If you can, I'd say try both Tarans and Punishers, but I'd strongly push you to get two Tarans setups first --- I'm actually spinning up a 3rd Taran setup, as Tarans are the best weapons to deal with the Kumiho and Haechi both (its a toss up who wins 1-vs-1 if you are in a PDB Griffin if both of you are decent pilots).
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Post by Thunderkiss on Sept 10, 2017 9:49:11 GMT -5
Gunboats are a one-of if you choose to run them. Bullets still have a hard time with Anciles. Carnage, Ancilot and Haechi aren't exactly rare to see. If you solo play a lot,and dont have five slots yet, stick with plasma, you can't guarantee that your teammates will be there to kill that Carnage /fujin you've just wasted half a minute popping the shield on, so you want to be able to kill them outright. I agree with the one of theme, but punishers have zero problem with anciles. A mild inconvenience at worst. I destroy anciled bots with my punisher griff daily, no sweat. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 11:49:28 GMT -5
Gunboats are a one-of if you choose to run them. Bullets still have a hard time with Anciles. Carnage, Ancilot and Haechi aren't exactly rare to see. If you solo play a lot,and dont have five slots yet, stick with plasma, you can't guarantee that your teammates will be there to kill that Carnage /fujin you've just wasted half a minute popping the shield on, so you want to be able to kill them outright. I agree with the one of theme, but punishers have zero problem with anciles. A mild inconvenience at worst. I destroy anciled bots with my punisher griff daily, no sweat. Given the framing of the OP's question, it doesn't seem like they have a lot of gear at the moment. Small pool of gear usually means levels below 8 (which is where weapon damage starts to be effective ). Low level items/low league players run into more variance, where a set of lv 5/6 punishers will do very little vs a lv 7 carnage charging with thunders. While I agree that, at diamond+ where most gear is around lv 9, punishers can usually break anciles, their damage is still better placed elsewhere, and plasma is still the better investment for solo play due to burst DPS and a lack of cooperation. |
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Post by Kanshou on Sept 10, 2017 14:26:55 GMT -5
I agree with the one of theme, but punishers have zero problem with anciles. A mild inconvenience at worst. I destroy anciled bots with my punisher griff daily, no sweat. Given the framing of the OP's question, it doesn't seem like they have a lot of gear at the moment. Small pool of gear usually means levels below 8 (which is where weapon damage starts to be effective ). Low level items/low league players run into more variance, where a set of lv 5/6 punishers will do very little vs a lv 7 carnage charging with thunders. While I agree that, at diamond+ where most gear is around lv 9, punishers can usually break anciles, their damage is still better placed elsewhere, and plasma is still the better investment for solo play due to burst DPS and a lack of cooperation. Nice deduction! You are right about my weapons being below LV. 8. Both of my Tarans and Punishers mk2 are at LV.7. Taking in the advice from above, I'm going for Tarans as I rarely do squad play. Many thanks to everyone for the input. |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Sept 10, 2017 15:24:22 GMT -5
I agree with the one of theme, but punishers have zero problem with anciles. A mild inconvenience at worst. I destroy anciled bots with my punisher griff daily, no sweat. Given the framing of the OP's question, it doesn't seem like they have a lot of gear at the moment. Small pool of gear usually means levels below 8 (which is where weapon damage starts to be effective ). Low level items/low league players run into more variance, where a set of lv 5/6 punishers will do very little vs a lv 7 carnage charging with thunders. While I agree that, at diamond+ where most gear is around lv 9, punishers can usually break anciles, their damage is still better placed elsewhere, and plasma is still the better investment for solo play due to burst DPS and a lack of cooperation. I break lvl 10+ anciles with level 7/6 punishers. Underestimating punishers usually works out for the guy using them. |
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Post by Joopiter on Sept 10, 2017 15:33:27 GMT -5
It would seem to be the opposite, but you'll want to keep focusing on the tarans. AS you know, the punishers are on a lot of bots when you get them and I'm sure people use them in bronze and below, but once you hit gold, you have to have plasma. You're in Diamond so you know this all too well.
I'd say once you get 1 or 2 sets of tarans to a respectible level, say 10 or 11, then start leveling some punisher mk2's. The range is nice but it's real easy to close in on someone 100 yards away in a griffon and if you don't have a jump or a fast bot then the plasma will eat you up before your punishers will take them out. I'd actually recommend doing a molot build. For an 800m range weapon, they are very useful and do well at close range too. They are of course no where near as damaging as tarans but they are surprising painful when you get hit by them at 600 - 800m.
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Post by SunTsu on Sept 10, 2017 16:32:36 GMT -5
I run both.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 17:57:46 GMT -5
Tarans are WAY better than punishers, so just sell the punishers to upgrade the tarans. Simple.
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Post by _psychø on Sept 10, 2017 19:56:44 GMT -5
I agree with the one of theme, but punishers have zero problem with anciles. A mild inconvenience at worst. I destroy anciled bots with my punisher griff daily, no sweat. Given the framing of the OP's question, it doesn't seem like they have a lot of gear at the moment. Small pool of gear usually means levels below 8 (which is where weapon damage starts to be effective ). Low level items/low league players run into more variance, where a set of lv 5/6 punishers will do very little vs a lv 7 carnage charging with thunders. While I agree that, at diamond+ where most gear is around lv 9, punishers can usually break anciles, their damage is still better placed elsewhere, and plasma is still the better investment for solo play due to burst DPS and a lack of cooperation. I brought my punishers up in expert 3 when they were level 7! But yeah I agree with you, in lower levels, tarans do better. I'd also recommend trying them out, leveling up a few for a rhinonor a Griff, it has no harm except for the silver, I've dumped a ton of weapons after leveling them up to 9.. And you're welcome Kanshou! |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Sept 10, 2017 20:20:22 GMT -5
Tarans are WAY better than punishers, so just sell the punishers to upgrade the tarans. Simple. Foolishness. |
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Post by orkannnnnns on Sept 10, 2017 20:48:30 GMT -5
Tarans are WAY better than punishers, so just sell the punishers to upgrade the tarans. Simple. Foolishness. Uuuuhhhhhhhhhhh......... I SECOND THE THUNDERKISS MOTION I like how you are wild and crazy ArgoDog, taking a bold stand for your unique worldview, but the Conan-esque utterance "Foolishness" also happens to perfectly sum up my feelings regarding your suggestion! Hard to top for both accuracy and brevity! |
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Post by orkannnnnns on Sept 10, 2017 21:08:14 GMT -5
 Pardon me, let me qualify that. Punishers and Tarans have two disparate and clearly defined roles now. Tarans do reliable near-ceaseless damage to un-shielded/ancile-shielded persons (and WILL pop that lancelot shield in just a few more seconds, give or take level). But that fujin, that carnage, they're automatic TOAST. The Punisher, especially MKII, is an everyman that melts both anciles and physical shields starting at 500m. It gets really silly around level 11, like a lot of stuff in War Robots. Put that on a Rogatka. Let a little love in your damn life. I just hate to get pejorative, but if you were to sell your Puns to level your Tarans, I'd have to label you a Silly-Billy First Class, with Distinction. |
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Post by linearblade on Sept 10, 2017 21:47:16 GMT -5
Pardon me, let me qualify that. Punishers and Tarans have two disparate and clearly defined roles now. Tarans do reliable near-ceaseless damage to un-shielded/ancile-shielded persons (and WILL pop that lancelot shield in just a few more seconds, give or take level). But that fujin, that carnage, they're automatic TOAST. The Punisher, especially MKII, is an everyman that melts both anciles and physical shields starting at 500m. It gets really silly around level 11, like a lot of stuff in War Robots. Put that on a Rogatka. Let a little love in your damn life. I just hate to get pejorative, but if you were to sell your Puns to level your Tarans, I'd have to label you a Silly-Billy First Class, with Distinction. Actually it's quite refreshing. For example haechi with punishers bs orkancilot == probably shredded lance. Vs tarancilot ... calls of "screw ancilot it's so broken!! , pay to win!! Gah!!" Despite the fact you likely paid for your haechi hahahaha Nice to see punishers finally have a roll, and a darn good one, considering they are silver, in the game |
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Post by WilsonK on Sept 10, 2017 22:23:51 GMT -5
I'm in the middle of upgrading my Tarans. Should I stop and start upgrading Punishers? It seems to me that Punishers are a better investment due to its several uses as opposed to plasma. Call me biased (my signature and hangar) but Plasma really works well for me. Hit & Run with Plasma is definitely better imo, Punishers need a clear line of sight for firing, you might pop anciles well due to the large beehive bubble, but to deal actual and accurate damage you need to really have a clear shot, which a lot of them will be taking cover. Just my opinion.. |
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 10, 2017 22:35:43 GMT -5
You need both leveled up. Punishers are workhorse weapons. Good for all situations but excel at none. Tarans excel in most situations as long as they are 350m or less and dont have a physical shield.
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Sept 10, 2017 23:16:27 GMT -5
Start with Tarans and work your way back to punishers. Simple answer is dps, your high level tarans will pay for your punisher upgrades. Once your tarans hit level 9 I'd consider the puns again. Anything level 8 and over seems to be the true potential of weapons. For me, level 9 is the minimum sweet-spot.
That said I've had some fun with a pun/pin griff. Most bots shrug puns... till thier shield pops/breaks and... PINS INCOMING!
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Post by CPDDPC on Sept 11, 2017 1:11:10 GMT -5
You should not upgrade Punisher unless u have 3 or more LV8 Tarans.
I think the Punisher works best at LV10 or above, at LV8 and range from 300~500m, most of the time you have to empty your clip just to wear off an Ancile.
I tested it with my Griffin 8/8 Punisher and that's the result =,= I am upgrading all of them to LV10 now.
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Post by thypoonhunter on Sept 11, 2017 1:24:52 GMT -5
If the effective range is 300 m, the performance will be much higher than taran. However, because it can penetrate the ansail sufficiently with DB equipment, it is hard to say that it is a shrinking stuff. Of course, Taran is effective for holding energy shields other than Ancilot. Therefore Punisher is powerful as a meta, but it will not be effective for bots with high quality(health) of life like leo.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Sept 11, 2017 11:51:58 GMT -5
I'm in the middle of upgrading my Tarans. Should I stop and start upgrading Punishers? It seems to me that Punishers are a better investment due to its several uses as opposed to plasma. Call me biased (my signature and hangar) but Plasma really works well for me. Hit & Run with Plasma is definitely better imo, Punishers need a clear line of sight for firing, you might pop anciles well due to the large beehive bubble, but to deal actual and accurate damage you need to really have a clear shot, which a lot of them will be taking cover. Just my opinion.. How is that any different than plasma? The higher the punishers the faster those fatboys melt  |
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Post by Poopface on Sept 11, 2017 12:11:48 GMT -5
The higher the punishers the faster those fatboys melt And then you can make soap! |
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 12:16:02 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I prefer punishers to plasma. Why? They melt shields, and they hit corner firing foes. Because they spray in a cone, their weakness becomes advantage. Enabling you to target outside of center. Combined with 500 range you can effectively kite plasma spammers.
It works best on faster bots, who can keep enemies from closing. And if they do, they won't have shields of any sort antway
Also friendly orkan fire becomes very effective
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Post by Meep on Sept 11, 2017 12:29:14 GMT -5
You should not upgrade Punisher unless u have 3 or more LV8 Tarans. I think the Punisher works best at LV10 or above, at LV8 and range from 300~500m, most of the time you have to empty your clip just to wear off an Ancile. I tested it with my Griffin 8/8 Punisher and that's the result =,= I am upgrading all of them to LV10 now. Much of what is written in the thread is by people who have been playing long before the punisher buff. For new players remember WSP don't open until level 20 and you might be level 22+/- before you have enough points to buy your first Taran. |
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