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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 14, 2017 21:23:11 GMT -5
Hi guys
What is the best bait robot thus far?
1) Schutze with Ancile 2) Boa with Ancile + ECU 3) Natasha with Ancile + 2x ECU + 1x heavy weapon
I call it as bait robot since they're not that fast to cap beacon (they could but at slower pace than other light bot). Their roles is to become a bait for red to shoot and let other team members to shoot that distracted red.
Any other opinion?
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Post by Joopiter on Aug 14, 2017 21:35:23 GMT -5
Not sure why your baiting reds. Are you saying away from a beacon? I don't think I'd allocate a slot to that.
But if you insist, I'd say it needs to be fast, like an ecu/Taran Gareth. . Being slow and easy to catch sounds like bad bait.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 21:37:57 GMT -5
If you want something as bait, please choose the Ancile Lancelot. That thing will be the main thing that the reds will be targeting and you'd actually be a benefit to your team rather than a liability.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 14, 2017 21:41:02 GMT -5
Actually I've run Schutze + Ancile few times already. Got 2 wins, 1 near win, 2 loses (in BR and my league is Gold 3). Usually I tag along with the blue. Walking alone is indeed a bad bait.
So my next experiment is with Boa & Nat.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 14, 2017 21:44:15 GMT -5
If you want something as bait, please choose the Ancile Lancelot. That thing will be the main thing that the reds will be targeting and you'd actually be a benefit to your team rather than a liability. Ahhh.. Ancilot... I use that 5K gold to unlock 5th hangar slot. So it will takes time to buy him (unless if I win event prize)
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Post by WilsonK on Aug 14, 2017 21:55:02 GMT -5
Hi guys What is the best bait robot thus far? 1) Schutze with Ancile 2) Boa with Ancile + ECU 3) Natasha with Ancile + 2x ECU + 1x heavy weapon I call it as bait robot since they're not that fast to cap beacon (they could but at slower pace than other light bot). Their roles is to become a bait for red to shoot and let other team members to shoot that distracted red. Any other opinion? Triple beer keg Fury or Dual beer keg Raijin!
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 14, 2017 22:12:52 GMT -5
Hi guys What is the best bait robot thus far? 1) Schutze with Ancile 2) Boa with Ancile + ECU 3) Natasha with Ancile + 2x ECU + 1x heavy weapon I call it as bait robot since they're not that fast to cap beacon (they could but at slower pace than other light bot). Their roles is to become a bait for red to shoot and let other team members to shoot that distracted red. Any other opinion? Triple beer keg Fury or Dual beer keg Raijin! LOL. That is nice weapon combo. Or should I use naked Natasha (no weapon)?
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Post by WilsonK on Aug 14, 2017 22:26:37 GMT -5
Triple beer keg Fury or Dual beer keg Raijin! LOL. That is nice weapon combo. Or should I use naked Natasha (no weapon)? Nah... naked Natty looks hideous!! It's like a bald woman with four boobs on her rack! Just look at the front of Natty! Even a naked Schutze looks sexier, em' long legs!
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Post by Blight Thunder on Aug 14, 2017 22:31:20 GMT -5
Love the spider Leo as a bait bot. 3x Spirals to bring em all to you. Then have a thunder to melt em all down.
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Post by noobcake on Aug 14, 2017 22:45:02 GMT -5
Bait doesn't really work as well as you might like in higher leagues. You get pretty good at using the lock button to shoot the squishy Griffins hiding behind ancilots. That said, the twin ecu twin ancile Natasha works pretty well as a walking shield. Pair up with an ancilot and walk sideways in front for maximum effect. Alternatively, something annoying like a spiral or hydra setup can be awfully distracting. Generally the dpm of both strategies is so low though you might be more of a liability to your team.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Aug 14, 2017 22:51:12 GMT -5
Best bait bot was my son's Gareth. Spiral and Hydra. Man that thing got people mad... and then they couldn't catch it!
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 14, 2017 23:13:16 GMT -5
Love the spider Leo as a bait bot. 3x Spirals to bring em all to you. Then have a thunder to melt em all down. I can try this in my experiment. Since I'm still in lower league, there is no harm in trying few fun things.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 14, 2017 23:17:22 GMT -5
Bait doesn't really work as well as you might like in higher leagues. You get pretty good at using the lock button to shoot the squishy Griffins hiding behind ancilots. That said, the twin ecu twin ancile Natasha works pretty well as a walking shield. Pair up with an ancilot and walk sideways in front for maximum effect. Alternatively, something annoying like a spiral or hydra setup can be awfully distracting. Generally the dpm of both strategies is so low though you might be more of a liability to your team. urghhhh.. I wish to have another Ancile. Good suggestion for Nat. I got pretty good win rate at the moment. I have 5 slots, thus the reason of me experience things out (just consider of me having 4 slots - its basically the same). I do not agree with the liability part, with Ancile usually I tag along with team mate.. in theory I'm extending their health slightly longer (of course from rockets and bullets only)
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 14, 2017 23:18:44 GMT -5
Best bait bot was my son's Gareth. Spiral and Hydra. Man that thing got people mad... and then they couldn't catch it! LOL. Your son is genius! I can consider this if I have Hydra.
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Post by drone42 on Aug 15, 2017 0:10:32 GMT -5
Gepard with Aphids is a pretty good bait bot. It's not a tough bot, but a unexpected Aphid salvos tend to rather annoy the enemy. Its great on some maps such as Dead City and Moon, but maps with less cover like Canyon are basically death traps if something mean spots you.
Plasma Gareth is a good one as well. Decent damage, good speed, and a shield. Learning how to make best use of the shield is key to getting good mileage. Playing hide and seek with Fujins and Carnages can be rather fun.
Rogatka with Tulumbas. Not tried this yet as I haven't got a Rogatka at the moment, but it seems like it should be a pretty good harassment bot.
Stalkers make good bait bots, but pack less of a punch than others so I tend not to use them as much.
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Post by noobcake on Aug 15, 2017 0:50:25 GMT -5
Bait doesn't really work as well as you might like in higher leagues. You get pretty good at using the lock button to shoot the squishy Griffins hiding behind ancilots. That said, the twin ecu twin ancile Natasha works pretty well as a walking shield. Pair up with an ancilot and walk sideways in front for maximum effect. Alternatively, something annoying like a spiral or hydra setup can be awfully distracting. Generally the dpm of both strategies is so low though you might be more of a liability to your team. urghhhh.. I wish to have another Ancile. Good suggestion for Nat. I got pretty good win rate at the moment. I have 5 slots, thus the reason of me experience things out (just consider of me having 4 slots - its basically the same). I do not agree with the liability part, with Ancile usually I tag along with team mate.. in theory I'm extending their health slightly longer (of course from rockets and bullets only) The liability comes from a low damage output and poor territory control. The spydra setup has at least some value as an anti mid-range, a finisher, and it suppresses enemy movement. The downside is that the low damage output puts a lot of pressure on your team's knifers to pick up the slack. The build is also not good at taking or defending beacons. This translates into a risk that your team will mech out or lose due to beacons while you sit back picking off randoms from a safe place near home beacon. The twin ecu ancile Natasha helps your knifers but it is totally toothless and slow as heck. The enemy only needs to kill your buddy and there are ways of doing that. Flanking, shooting past you, or simply destroying your shield while out of your partners range. I'd go for something that is going to always be useful rather than sometimes good.
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Aug 15, 2017 0:57:22 GMT -5
If you want something as bait, please choose the Ancile Lancelot. That thing will be the main thing that the reds will be targeting and you'd actually be a benefit to your team rather than a liability. Hydra Ancilot. Try it to believe it. Im now a "public target" not by intention. Reds just seem to hate me. Gekko treb guns aphids tarans you name it. Im just a poor guy standing there wanting to pew x6 But I do agree with Darkangel, with good team mates it can do wonder!
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Post by Demosthenes on Aug 15, 2017 4:58:35 GMT -5
My 2 cents: best bait 'bot is a plasma Gary capping beacons. It seems to make me every red's idea of breakfast. It also has the advantage of (1) being fast and manoeuvrable; (2) caps beacons so helps the win that way too; (3) packs a punch - you can do a lot of damage with a Gary - so helps the win that way too.
What works to bait me: disco Patton, or anything with Trebs. Any red not capping beacons without appreciable firepower is an asset to blue - I want it to live as long as possible.
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Post by Menageryl on Aug 15, 2017 7:34:12 GMT -5
In my personal experience? I've never seen a combination draw fire and attention like my Stalker-Gekko combination. Gekkos tend to really bug people on their own. Add that to a really mobile, fast little mech moving all over the map, stealing beacons and taking pot shots at essentially ANY exposed enemy bot... Works wonders.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Aug 15, 2017 8:12:49 GMT -5
Bait bot? Orkan Rogatka all the way. Allow me to explain...
At the beginning of the game, every Treb sniper wants your Rogatkas bones. As long as you know this, you can very carefully (!) occupy enemy sniper targeting while capping the early beacons and your friendly snipers can take out the Treb Butches, Furys, or Treb Gekko Natashas. Not always an easy task, especially if your team drops with no snipers. In that case, just let the Lancelots, Galahads and other stronger/more protected bots blaze the trail.
It's also the PERFECT bot to bait RDB Griffins. Stand out in the open to draw their salvo at 500m and then simply jump over it. Try to land behind cover when you evade their Tulumbus because an experienced RDB pilot knows their only chance to get you is when you land. And finally when in range, only let off a few Orkan rounds, just enough until they jump. As soon as they land jump again and unload the whole salvo - they are absolutely HELPLESS. If you follow this, there is no real good reason why you should lose to an RDB or DB Griffin, unless you are significantly underlevelled, they have enemy assistance, or they perfectly judge their single jump to land behind cover with their teammates.
However, the main thing you don't want to be bait for are Plasma setups, or anything with Tarans or Zeus. Every bot has its counter, and the art of this game is getting your bots into situations which highlight what it is good at, and avoiding situations that accentuate its weaknesses.
No bots get in and out of situations as effectively as the Rogatka. The dashbots will rigorously challenge this, but they are yet to be released and may prove to be initially difficult to obtain. So give it your consideration. I know you were probably more interested in those Ancile troll bots, but with the Orkan Rog you can bait AND counterattack.
Is that suggestion too conventional to warrant your attention?
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 15, 2017 8:16:45 GMT -5
How about a Nat with 2 anciles and 2 ecu? Everybody with plasma and rockets will want a piece of that!
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Post by Poopface on Aug 15, 2017 10:38:36 GMT -5
I could see an Ancile/Ecu Boa as being halfway decent. Large health pool and isn't insanely slow. Could also be a meatshield/support mech to keep up with a variety of others. That being said, if you're playing as a random, your team is now a man down from a damage-dealing standpoint.
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Post by 7iquid on Aug 15, 2017 10:53:50 GMT -5
Zarnage every time for me as bait. I frequently end up with every single red bot hunting me down when I have been zapping away with 2 x level 10 Zeus.
It really seems to annoy the reds. Can't think why: all I'm doing is wrecking RDB griffs, getting past Rhino's shields, annoying Leo's, sniping shield bots and electrocuting stalkers and all from 600m.
Once I am on the "most wanted" list I try and kite away from beacons and generally be a pest or eject so my team can do something productive.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 15, 2017 11:32:35 GMT -5
The liability comes from a low damage output and poor territory control. The spydra setup has at least some value as an anti mid-range, a finisher, and it suppresses enemy movement. The downside is that the low damage output puts a lot of pressure on your team's knifers to pick up the slack. The build is also not good at taking or defending beacons. This translates into a risk that your team will mech out or lose due to beacons while you sit back picking off randoms from a safe place near home beacon. The twin ecu ancile Natasha helps your knifers but it is totally toothless and slow as heck. The enemy only needs to kill your buddy and there are ways of doing that. Flanking, shooting past you, or simply destroying your shield while out of your partners range. I'd go for something that is going to always be useful rather than sometimes good. Don't forget we're talking about bait bots here, not necessarily what's the best all-around useful team bot -- their objective is not to inflict damage or control territory, but rather to draw fire away from teammates and distract the enemy from controlling territory. I've inadvertently found myself in this situation, usually going after a beacon close to the enemy spawn but finding it too well protected to try to grab myself. If I see I have the attention of more than one red, I'll milk it for all its worth and let them chase me as far away from the action as possible. Best bot for this for me is the plasma Gareth -- it's fast, annoying, and I don't mind the eventual sacrifice because it's the lowest damage-dealer in my hangar. If I can't find another beacon to cap, I'll do the next best thing and drag reds around the field. At the very least I can keep a couple of reds out of the action for awhile; I might also get lucky and lead them closer to friendlies who'll take them out easier than I can; at best (and my favorite), I lead them close to spawn where I'll switch to the bot that will take them out myself (hello Mr Red, meet Mr Orkan). Again, I don't go looking for these opportunities specifically -- I don't have a designated 'bait bot' -- and I'm sure the higher you go in leagues, the fewer players will fall for this kind of shenanigans; but if I see them, that's how I try to take advantage of them.
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Post by Blight Thunder on Aug 15, 2017 11:43:26 GMT -5
Zeus Shutze
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Post by noobcake on Aug 15, 2017 12:02:04 GMT -5
The liability comes from a low damage output and poor territory control. The spydra setup has at least some value as an anti mid-range, a finisher, and it suppresses enemy movement. The downside is that the low damage output puts a lot of pressure on your team's knifers to pick up the slack. The build is also not good at taking or defending beacons. This translates into a risk that your team will mech out or lose due to beacons while you sit back picking off randoms from a safe place near home beacon. The twin ecu ancile Natasha helps your knifers but it is totally toothless and slow as heck. The enemy only needs to kill your buddy and there are ways of doing that. Flanking, shooting past you, or simply destroying your shield while out of your partners range. I'd go for something that is going to always be useful rather than sometimes good. Don't forget we're talking about bait bots here, not necessarily what's the best all-around useful team bot -- their objective is not to inflict damage or control territory, but rather to draw fire away from teammates and distract the enemy from controlling territory. I've inadvertently found myself in this situation, usually going after a beacon close to the enemy spawn but finding it too well protected to try to grab myself. If I see I have the attention of more than one red, I'll milk it for all its worth and let them chase me as far away from the action as possible. Best bot for this for me is the plasma Gareth -- it's fast, annoying, and I don't mind the eventual sacrifice because it's the lowest damage-dealer in my hangar. If I can't find another beacon to cap, I'll do the next best thing and drag reds around the field. At the very least I can keep a couple of reds out of the action for awhile; I might also get lucky and lead them closer to friendlies who'll take them out easier than I can; at best (and my favorite), I lead them close to spawn where I'll switch to the bot that will take them out myself (hello Mr Red, meet Mr Orkan). Again, I don't go looking for these opportunities specifically -- I don't have a designated 'bait bot' -- and I'm sure the higher you go in leagues, the fewer players will fall for this kind of shenanigans; but if I see them, that's how I try to take advantage of them. The liability of a baiting bot is that you are sacrificing real metrics like dpm and territory control in order to try to force baiting opportunities. The reds may not take the bait. Even if they do, yielding beacons and time in exchange for dragging them around might be less effective than just blasting them and taking the beacon instead. That is the liability of a baiting bot. What you are talking about is a well-balanced bot that can steal beacons, flank, assist, and bait when the opportunity to bait if it presents itself.
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Post by Kanshou on Aug 15, 2017 13:10:20 GMT -5
A juicy Natasha equipped with two Nashorns on a small map. You bet I'm coming for you you sack of silver.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 15, 2017 13:51:40 GMT -5
For me, the best bait bot is one that is low on health.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 15, 2017 19:33:50 GMT -5
after long thought.. i'm going to try Raijin + Ancile + Thunder. it certainly won't be liability to my team.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Aug 15, 2017 20:43:37 GMT -5
wow.. raijin + ancile + thunder proven to be best bait bot so far. managed to get 4 win, 1 lose. all players at same league/1 tier up/1 tier down ( the one we're losing consist players from diamond on both team) it is best bot setup to defend center beacon in BR mode. my raijin is at level 6, ancile level 6 and thunder level 5. it is time to level up!!
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