Closing in on 5000 gold

Don't get another galahad, it might rock but you can imagine using 3 of the same bots each day for every battle. It's gonna get pretty stale and boring fast. Get a fury or lancelot

I'll also chime in voting that Plasmahads, no matter how divine, should probably not represent more than half of your top hanger.

What *I'm* personally looking at for the time being is moving into a 2 Plasmahad, two death button, 1 trident carnage setup.
Right now I'm on 1 plasmahad, 2 rhinos (one DB, one plas), one tricarn, and an Orkan Rog. I'm rocking l6 mediums with l10 weapons and l6 heavies with l8 weapons. It works here, and I can honestly say that Rhinos handle plas a lot better than Griffins (from personal experience in terms of facing Griffs down).
It works, but I can't see the Rog staying relevant past this point, and since I don't want to cut any Orkans from my list (and still want a jump capable bot) I'll probably be looking to flip over to a db griff.



That all being said, have you tried 2x aphid/Taran Griffs?
You'd be able to stay away from other plas settups and would have pretty solid focus fire. The only *big* issue would be Gary.

Agree with this. Even in high silver/low gold, 2 orkans are not enough. I'd get 2-4 more orkans

Wow.

Lots of ideas and food for thought.

I do not like the idea of a fury. I am intending to play around with a trident crv natasha to see how well it works and if I could use it but I hate the idea of being in a slow lump of metal. When I have used Natashas before I have put a pair of thunders and mags on them and capped beacons.

I am going to hold off purchases until after the snowflake event and possibly after the next big update.

I am thinking however at this point that 5000 gold may approximately translate into 2 orkans and 4 aphids. I dread buying aphids if they are about to be nerfed though. (but I also dread upgrading my pinatas if they are going to be replaced by aphids).

I agree with the power runner strategy. I like to have something that can get there quick and hit hard close up. In silver I run a 5/9 shutze as a beacon capper that starts hunting when enough beacons are capped. It tends to get at least two other bots before being caught. after that I run Boas (tanks) and DB Vityez (ambush) and take beacons while hunting with them.

I generally have a midrange in each hanger. I generally don't use them well. (sometimes, not often).

While I don't think it's me, I think that a lancelot would fit my playing style a lot better than a fury.

They look big and slow to me though.

im running 4 Gala and 1 Fury, it might be boring but if you are playing to win and you want to do high damage then 4 Gala is not a bad idea

On that train of thought...
a Plasmahad is the best Galahad. I'd argue that there isn't a better plasma boat at this point.
But... you need Orkans too, and there are better Orkan vehicles, and I can't imagine packing less an 4 Orkans ever again (now that I own enough, that is).

Heishiro, what's your average damage right now with that hangar?  Also, how much if that average damage do you contribute to the Trident Fury alone?

I've wondered how much of the average damage for the pilots I see with Trident Furies in Top Tier is attributed to just the Trident Fury.

I average from 450-600K damage with my power runner hangar in TT and that's in the range for pilots without a Trident Fury.  This Christmas event has seen lower damage numbers in general, mostly due to lots of very quick wins due to more than normal quitters on the red team.  Quitters on the blue team seem to be up too - also resulting in quick losses.

My guess is that 1 Trident Fury is worth about and extra 100K to 200K on average damage (over whatever else is the 5th bot it replaces in your hangar) in a top tier hangar and I think your numbers go in line with that guess.  I've seen Phoenix and Adrian YouTube vids that show matches like yours with 800K-1M damage with a single Trident Fury, so it it easy to see why this 1 bot is OP (no other single bot could except maybe the Thunder Carnage could even come close to 1M).

I would also strongly advise you get and learn to play a TT Fury for Top tier. In top clans you'll see far more players with them in than without. Yes they are hard to play on some maps, but Canyons and Yamantau more than make up for it. I oscillate between ~550 and 800 avg damage and ~98 and ~60% win rate in top tier. More damage but lower win rates when I play solo, currently at ~600 and 96% wins.

Hanger guidelines for wins, squad play, all maps: 2-3 splash damage bots, 2-3 plasma, 0-2 Aphid. One, (two max) strong mid-range bots. Overall hanger speed should be medium to fast, shoot for roughly a Griffin's average speed.

Strongest bots: Galahad, Fury, Griffin, Lancelot. 2nd Tier: Rhino, Carnage, Patton (aphids only). Weapons: (Orkan + Pinata), (Taran + Magnum), (Tulumbas + Pin), Aphids (+ Orks/ Taran), Thunder, Trident, Zeus.

If you mix and match within the above you should do well once you learn the weapons/ bots. If you go outside of these guidelines you'll likely be compromising on some maps and reliant on your teammates. Given this you can make a strong top tier hanger with a number of different bots/ weapons combos depending on what you enjoy playing.

My most feared (strongest) bot combos currently: TT Fury, Plasma Galahad, Ork/ Plasma + Aphid Griffin, Death Button Griffin, Ork /Plasma + Thunder Lance, Aphid Patton.

I successfully use three Galahad, but I would not go to four- it'd be a bit too fast and fragile to Tridents IMHO, and the Galahad's weakness is the inability to tank (ie take center under fire) particularly in the presence of heavy splash. If we take 2x Plasma Galahad as a given, I would pair them with:

Plasma Death Button Galahad / TT Fury x2
Aphid+Taran Galahad / TT Fury x2
XX+Thunder Lance / Death Button Griffin / TT Fury
Aphid Ork Griffin x2 / TT Fury
Aphid Patton / Death Button Griffin / TT Fury
Aphid Patton / XX+Thunder Lance / TT Fury
Aphid Thunder Leo / XX+Thunder Lance / TT Fury

Note: all roads lead to the TT Fury, but you can sub in a Russian Death Button or Zeus/ Trident Carnage as a second (less good) choice. I would also think about de-prioritizing the Aphid options as I expect we will see far fewer (and more Lancelot) after the coming nerf. All IMHO of course.

I am de-prioritising Aphids.  I think I'm de-prioritising everything until the changes come through.  Better to save until we know more.

All the options you have given imply well over 5000 gold, that is fine, so I will have to have some other steps in between.

Therefore at the moment I will be concentrating on aiming for option 3 in your list.  Gal, Gal, Lance, DB Griffin, Fury.
(though I do like option one).

What I can make at present:
2 plasma galahads, 1 DB Leo or PDB Griffin or PDB Rhino, 1 DB Griffin, 1 trident natasha (and buy third trident). 

The Natasha is to get used to the basic idea of the fury.  I know it is not the same.  

I prefer the idea of thunder orkan lance, but I only have 2 orkans and that puts my gold bill well over 12000.  It may end up being a taran lance first.

I'd practice with a DB Griff and a DB rhino, once leveled. Move your midrange to Carnagetown. It's significantly easier to get the hang of.

I very much have a learners permit for the Rhino but I need to learn how to drive it so that I can learn how to counter it.

I have the carnage, the idea was to learn fury which I presumed a Natasha would be closer.  I will chop and change between the two I think.

Fair enough.  Perhaps then an increase of the Trident reload time from 10 seconds to 13-15 seconds.  The Trident is a free weapon (as all things WSP), so nerfing it should not be too much of an issue.