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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 3, 2017 20:11:57 GMT -5
Don't get another galahad, it might rock but you can imagine using 3 of the same bots each day for every battle. It's gonna get pretty stale and boring fast. Get a fury or lancelot i use 2 galahads every day and they never get stale . Galahad is one of the most fun bots to play in the game imo, along with the griffin, and cossack in low tiers
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Post by Cyklown on Jan 3, 2017 20:14:22 GMT -5
There has to be some basis on reality though. A bigger individual rocket should have a bigger splash. Aphids have been buffed as well as nerfed. In what little experience I have they have made a big difference over the last 6 weeks or so. Fair enough. Perhaps then an increase of the Trident reload time from 10 seconds to 13-15 seconds. The Trident is a free weapon (as all things WSP), so nerfing it should not be too much of an issue. But WSP serves to give top grade weapons that don't cost gold to keep things "fair" I'd say that, outside of the Fury, the trident is fair. Given the Fury's extreme map dependence, a better change would be to "fix" the fury. It's not like Trident Carnages are the problem, after all.
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Post by petevb on Jan 3, 2017 21:09:57 GMT -5
Weapons: (Orkan + Pinata), (Taran + Magnum), (Tulumbas + Pin), Aphids (+ Orks/ Taran), Thunder, Trident, Zeus. So does the Hellfire Rhino (Orkan/Magnum) stop being viable up in Gold or Top Tier? It, and the Rhino in general, has gotten less popular in Top recently. It still has a place (particularly effective against Galahad) but generally you see much less of it.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Jan 3, 2017 21:11:42 GMT -5
Fair enough. Perhaps then an increase of the Trident reload time from 10 seconds to 13-15 seconds. The Trident is a free weapon (as all things WSP), so nerfing it should not be too much of an issue. But WSP serves to give top grade weapons that don't cost gold to keep things "fair" I'd say that, outside of the Fury, the trident is fair. Given the Fury's extreme map dependence, a better change would be to "fix" the fury. It's not like Trident Carnages are the problem, after all. You are probably right. The Fury is the problem. The only way to nerf the bot would be to have 1 weapon blowoff start at 25% damage. Thats the only nerf you can place on a Fury since its speed and HP aren't critcal aspects of the bot. Well, maybe speedreduced to 22KPH would make it less able to enter a battle quickly or move to firing positions without significant time motoring. Attached is a match I just played (3 Trident Furies in the pic) - it was a similar situation on the red team. Mid and long range bots on both sides lobbed stuff a each other. I took the center beacon early and the reds never pressed center until this shot was taken and it was too late by then --- quite a boring win. Trident Furies are just bad for the game.
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Post by Heishiro on Jan 3, 2017 22:06:58 GMT -5
Attached is a match I just played (3 Trident Furies in the pic) - it was a similar situation on the red team. Mid and long range bots on both sides lobbed stuff a each other. I took the center beacon early and the reds never pressed center until this shot was taken and it was too late by then --- quite a boring win. Trident Furies are just bad for the game. that is a very common picture on how majority of match in gold tier ends in Yamantau. both team has the option to do the same, some just do it much better and win i dont think Trident Fury is bad for the game, they just works best on that map.
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Post by Scary Beast on Jan 4, 2017 0:55:06 GMT -5
If play with same bots always it will be boring. go for Lancelot.
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Post by Cyklown on Jan 4, 2017 1:21:07 GMT -5
But WSP serves to give top grade weapons that don't cost gold to keep things "fair" I'd say that, outside of the Fury, the trident is fair. Given the Fury's extreme map dependence, a better change would be to "fix" the fury. It's not like Trident Carnages are the problem, after all. You are probably right. The Fury is the problem. The only way to nerf the bot would be to have 1 weapon blowoff start at 25% damage. Thats the only nerf you can place on a Fury since its speed and HP aren't critcal aspects of the bot. Well, maybe speedreduced to 22KPH would make it less able to enter a battle quickly or move to firing positions without significant time motoring. Attached is a match I just played (3 Trident Furies in the pic) - it was a similar situation on the red team. Mid and long range bots on both sides lobbed stuff a each other. I took the center beacon early and the reds never pressed center until this shot was taken and it was too late by then --- quite a boring win. Trident Furies are just bad for the game. I hear you on the "hard to nerf" factor. For speed you'd have to make it absolutely unusable. But... a HP nerf would be quite manageable. If KWKs can take it down in a time efficient manner or if RBD Griffs can all it in tandem it might work- although that *miiiiight* just trigger a "who has the most" cascade where they attrition themselves too easily.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 4, 2017 2:28:40 GMT -5
There is always going to be an 'op' midrange bot unless midrange weapons themselves are nerfed significantly. Nerf the fury and more trident carnages and RDB griffins will enter the meta, which really doesnt seem like a good thing for pixonic .
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Post by Cyklown on Jan 4, 2017 10:22:00 GMT -5
There is always going to be an 'op' midrange bot unless midrange weapons themselves are nerfed significantly. Nerf the fury and more trident carnages and Russian Death Button griffins will enter the meta, which really doesnt seem like a good thing for pixonic . Well, Carnage midrange is inherently (he said with absolutely no bias whatsoever) since it's the one thing in the history of the game hosed by Gekko Pattons (ok, that and Cossacks). Fury's should be good- which is why a speed nerf would be tragic. It is theoretically possible to hit a balance point, and even if every Fury got replace with a RDB overnight it wouldn't break anything- it'd just mean that Plas Griffs, their natural predator, would see an uptick.
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Post by Deadalready on Jan 4, 2017 10:23:07 GMT -5
You should buy skins, multiple skins for all your bots!
XD
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Post by Cyklown on Jan 4, 2017 10:35:30 GMT -5
You should buy skins, multiple skins for all your bots! XD As someone who is planning on making a high silver hanger (probably 6/8 because of all of the l6 bots I have) for ag farming purposes, that Boa skin is both cheap and excellent. Now if only they'd make a Rog skin...
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Post by moody on Jan 4, 2017 16:48:48 GMT -5
Well now...
I am currently leveling my rhino from 4-5. I'll level it to 6 after that. Then it is the grind to keep upgrading weapons from 8 to 9.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 4, 2017 20:59:18 GMT -5
Funny to read this thread minutes after buying my first Fury.
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Post by supreme1394 on Jan 9, 2017 5:22:58 GMT -5
Don't get another galahad, it might rock but you can imagine using 3 of the same bots each day for every battle. It's gonna get pretty stale and boring fast. Get a fury or lancelot i use 2 galahads every day and they never get stale . Galahad is one of the most fun bots to play in the game imo, along with the griffin, and cossack in low tiers I agree, but 2 seems to be limit, I can't imagine using 3 of the same bots (right now I just use 2 griffins, every other bot is different). But each person to his own I guess, some just don't seem bored of running a full hangar of the same bot (beats me why, lol) Responding to the other forumers here talking about Fury, I agree it's a little OP right now (i'm using one myself). I would suggest either make the first weapon blow off faster or reduce it's hp a little. That would bring back balance to the game instead of furies everywhere in open maps. But hey gekkos are getting a nice buff, who knows this would be what it takes to counter the fury...
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 9, 2017 5:32:41 GMT -5
i use 2 galahads every day and they never get stale . Galahad is one of the most fun bots to play in the game imo, along with the griffin, and cossack in low tiers I agree, but 2 seems to be limit, I can't imagine using 3 of the same bots (right now I just use 2 griffins, every other bot is different). But each person to his own I guess, some just don't seem bored of running a full hangar of the same bot (beats me why, lol) Responding to the other forumers here talking about Fury, I agree it's a little OP right now (i'm using one myself). I would suggest either make the first weapon blow off faster or reduce it's hp a little. That would bring back balance to the game instead of furies everywhere in open maps. But hey gekkos are getting a nice buff, who knows this would be what it takes to counter the fury... make gekko patton great again! (Totally not because i have 8 gekkos XD.)
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Post by miatahead on Jan 9, 2017 11:38:33 GMT -5
I'd wait til v2.5 if you can. Otherwise, 2 more Orkans if you plan on making gold your primary area based on the current meta. A simple basic formula is to have 2 plasma, 2 db, 1 support.
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Post by moody on Jan 16, 2017 20:13:26 GMT -5
2x PDB Galahad, PDB Rhino, DB Griffin, Trident Natasha (or better Trident Carnage, easier to use well) is a solid lineup for the moment. You'll find the Carnage lasts a lot longer when you stay outside 500 meters and run flanking positions. You'll be strong on open maps (canyons, etc). If you're underpowered on Dead City or Powerplant swap the Rhino for a Griffin. I'm in favor of nerfing Aphids somewhat because I think they promote defensive play. So many Dead City games are now "step out from behind a wall, fire, step back, repeate". I do agree the game is swinging towards rang; some of that was neded (5x brawlers gets one-dimensional). However I would support nerfing mid-range rockets slightly (Tulu, Tridents) to keep a mix of skills. #1 nerf: hydras. What were they thinking? Just an update and future plan: I had a go with the setup given above. Natasha did not last long. It was replaced by Trident Carnage. I videoed myself for a few games and decided to give up on midrange while soloing. Carnage went to Thunder. I also have been playing with Rhino and did not have luck with plasma. swapped the griffin and rhino around. Tried the Hellfire rhino and liked it but that left me short on Magnums. Currently using: PDB Galahad, Taran/pinata galahad, PDB Griffin, Hellfire Rhino, thunder Carnage. I have bought an orkan and am levelling it (currently 7-8), so the second galahad will be a DB shortly. I have used DB galahad before and it works, but I prefer plasma. I don't like the PDB Griffin so I will be getting a fourth Orkan and changing over to: 2 x PDB Galahad, Hellfire Rhino, DB Griffin, Thunder Carnage. I am still not buying anything major (except orkans) until after updates hit.
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Post by petevb on Jan 16, 2017 22:36:36 GMT -5
Currently using: PDB Galahad, Taran/pinata galahad, PDB Griffin, Hellfire Rhino, thunder Carnage. changing over to: 2 x PDB Galahad, Hellfire Rhino, DB Griffin, Thunder Carnage. Sounds good overall. A couple comments: On the PDB Rhino- the Rhino is difficult to pilot, and most don't use it well at first. The key is to use shield up for mobility but fight it shield down using cover. Typically new players prefer DB because it lets them charge in and unload, but fighting a Rhino that way guarantees a very short half-life. I started with Orks on the Rhino as most do but graduated to plasma as I improved. Just suggesting that you give it time- it's not an easy bot to learn. On the Thunder Carnage I'd suggest that it will become more of a liability as you move up. PDB Galahad eat it for lunch and it's generally too fragile to run much in Top tier. Huge fun, but realize that you'll need to learn to play mid-range long term. Only the best players can run 5x brawlers in Top and not be a liability to their team in tough matches on open maps. The Trident Fury is the answer, but it's far tougher to play than most realize. I'd suggest you keep trying the Trident Carnage for practice to work towards it- good training wheels. I'd agree however that the need for range is less pronounced running solo, so you're likely fine for now. $.02
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Post by moody on Jan 16, 2017 22:53:24 GMT -5
Currently using: PDB Galahad, Taran/pinata galahad, PDB Griffin, Hellfire Rhino, thunder Carnage. changing over to: 2 x PDB Galahad, Hellfire Rhino, DB Griffin, Thunder Carnage. Sounds good overall. A couple comments: On the PDB Rhino- the Rhino is difficult to pilot, and most don't use it well at first. The key is to use shield up for mobility but fight it shield down using cover. Typically new players prefer DB because it lets them charge in and unload, but fighting a Rhino that way guarantees a very short half-life. I started with Orks on the Rhino as most do but graduated to plasma as I improved. Just suggesting that you give it time- it's not an easy bot to learn. On the Thunder Carnage I'd suggest that it will become more of a liability as you move up. PDB Galahad eat it for lunch and it's generally too fragile to run much in Top tier. Huge fun, but realize that you'll need to learn to play mid-range long term. Only the best players can run 5x brawlers in Top and not be a liability to their team in tough matches on open maps. The Trident Fury is the answer, but it's far tougher to play than most realize. I'd suggest you keep trying the Trident Carnage for practice to work towards it- good training wheels. I'd agree however that the need for range is less pronounced running solo, so you're likely fine for now. $.02 Trust me, when I do spend gold (or wsp) on a bot the thunder carnage will be first to go. It tends not to survive. (Nor does my PDB griffin). The rhino I do fight shield down from a corner more often than not. I will continue playing with setups and try tarans again. (Sometimes shield up is pertinant, had a battle a couple of days ago. ended up at point blank range against a plasma rhino and a trebuchet rajin. Through judicious use of shield and orkan I managed to get both of them and still had half health). I am going to keep the tridents leveled in line with the rest of my hanger (almost all 9's, the tridents are still 8's), and I have the third currently at lev 1 if I do get a fury.
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Post by moody on Jan 19, 2017 23:18:03 GMT -5
Just letting everybody know. I bought an orkan maybe a week ago. Today I ended up coughing up the 5000 and buying .....
A lancelot.
I'm not going to put it into action until it is levelled a bit. At which time my hanger is going to be:
2 plasma galahad 1 plasma rhino 1 Thunder orkan lancelot 1 Thunder Carnage.
When weapons are ready I will change the carnage over to a DB Griffin.
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Post by moody on Jan 19, 2017 23:30:33 GMT -5
And this is all because I can't stand the idea of buying a fury (at this time). Being a game this should be fun and I don't like the idea of having to buy a specific bot that doesn't do what I want to do just for the purpose of winning.
This is after having been told that the fury trident is a sure pass into the millie club.
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Post by Heishiro on Jan 20, 2017 0:50:04 GMT -5
And this is all because I can't stand the idea of buying a fury (at this time). Being a game this should be fun and I don't like the idea of having to buy a specific bot that doesn't do what I want to do just for the purpose of winning. This is after having been told that the fury trident is a sure pass into the millie club. not really a sure pass to milli club, fury is very map dependent to make a lot of damage. in open maps a treb can ruined your day. so sometimes lucky sometimes not
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Post by moody on Jan 20, 2017 5:07:57 GMT -5
And this is all because I can't stand the idea of buying a fury (at this time). Being a game this should be fun and I don't like the idea of having to buy a specific bot that doesn't do what I want to do just for the purpose of winning. This is after having been told that the fury trident is a sure pass into the millie club. not really a sure pass to milli club, fury is very map dependent to make a lot of damage. in open maps a treb can ruined your day. so sometimes lucky sometimes not The point I was making was that while it would be nice, it isn't a good enough reason for me to spend 5000 au. Buffed Natasha does a pretty good job, (Unbuffed Natasha didn't. Plus I don't have to level a third trident.
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Post by Heishiro on Jan 20, 2017 5:13:13 GMT -5
i have a lance and a fury, but im not using my lance right now.. i still think that Fury is a better bot vs Naty, the use of 1 extra trident vs 2 pins. using fury your shot time and distance are all synchronized, compared to 500 meter pins and longer reload time. im sure we can always see a trident fury in top clan matches but im somehow sure no one will run a Natasha
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Post by moody on Jan 20, 2017 5:33:05 GMT -5
i have a lance and a fury, but im not using my lance right now.. i still think that Fury is a better bot vs Naty, the use of 1 extra trident vs 2 pins. using fury your shot time and distance are all synchronized, compared to 500 meter pins and longer reload time. im sure we can always see a trident fury in top clan matches but im somehow sure no one will run a Natasha True (or few). Trebs And geckos? one thing with this game. Patience and grinding are rewarded. If I want it I can get it one day.
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Jan 21, 2017 2:47:15 GMT -5
i have a lance and a fury, but im not using my lance right now.. i still think that Fury is a better bot vs Naty, the use of 1 extra trident vs 2 pins. using fury your shot time and distance are all synchronized, compared to 500 meter pins and longer reload time. im sure we can always see a trident fury in top clan matches but im somehow sure no one will run a Natasha True (or few). Trebs And geckos? one thing with this game. Patience and grinding are rewarded. If I want it I can get it one day. Other than wild west bots that is.
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Post by moody on Jan 21, 2017 8:37:06 GMT -5
True (or few). Trebs And geckos? one thing with this game. Patience and grinding are rewarded. If I want it I can get it one day. Other than wild west bots that is. True. Not personally really worried about them.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 21, 2017 20:16:19 GMT -5
Just letting everybody know. I bought an orkan maybe a week ago. Today I ended up coughing up the 5000 and buying ..... A lancelot. I'm not going to put it into action until it is levelled a bit. At which time my hanger is going to be: 2 plasma galahad 1 plasma rhino 1 Thunder orkan lancelot 1 Thunder Carnage. When weapons are ready I will change the carnage over to a DB Griffin. My Gold hangar is not that different. My observations, worth what you paid for 'em. Orkan/aphid Griffin is much more effective than pure DB, at least for me. DB rhino is easy to play. Plasma rhino can, in the right situation, do stupendous amounts of damage. But it loses 1 on 1 solo fights to pretty much everything.
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Post by moody on Jan 21, 2017 23:17:45 GMT -5
I am having trouble running lance. It has only been one day since levelling it to six. I don't feel like it plays like a boa - it feels more fragile than the Galahad.
I might try putting tarens on it to see how it goes.
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Post by FenixFall on Jan 22, 2017 13:32:59 GMT -5
My Lancelot definitely seems more fragile then my Galahad. Having three smaller shields mean you're more vulnerable to rockets then a Galahad. Also, I SWEAR the Lancelot has a lot less coverage than Galahad. Attacks always seem to miss the shield. Aphids in particular COMPLETELY ignore the shield even when struck directly in front. I assume they hit my head, unshielded. Also, I'm pretty sure that when one shield blows off, you're left with a huge gaping hole exposed to fire and the remaining two may not be blocking shots, depending on angles and what not.
I've been increasingly relying on my Galahad because of this. He just has one huge brick wall completely covering his front. Works great.
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