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Post by hackenschuh on Jul 20, 2017 4:54:28 GMT -5
this is how it looks in diamond. too much spread in leagues. the top player of reds got ~900000 dmg
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Post by SuperHero on Jul 20, 2017 5:03:08 GMT -5
Actually, you ARE talking about tankers. Read your own original post. You specifically mentioned your GF being in silver and playing against 12/12 opponents.You are partially facing this issue because some of the idiots who are maxed decided that it would be easier to earn tokens during this event by tanking and dropping down to your league when they should be Masters or Champs. I say this because you are saying your issues only started in July. Well, that's when the event started. There were already maxed tanking idiots, but the event has brought even more of them out. I dont really know what you mean. You think all 12/12 bots in diamond are tankers? I meant that the gameplay puts her together with diamonds, there are 12/12 bots! But the main problem is that the game causes the problem already by the big spread of leagues in mixing teams. I have the same problem in diamond league, beeing mixed with experts and gold. When I startet the game maybe 10 months ago, I had had big problems with tankers and clubbers and leavers. But the new league system made the gameplay better and more fair for me. tanking was not a massive problem anymore with the league system. But now they put me together with 3 to 4 leagues higher opponents. That is what I'm talking about. The tanking never stopped. You just happened to miss it. This forum is FULL of complaints about tankers. And yes, 12/12 in anything lower than expert (some might even say master) are tankers or seriously the worse maxed players ever. and FYI, the league system made tanking worse. Before that, there was no reason to tank. But it helped get rid of clubbers. As someone who monitors this forum, please trust me that tanking is everywhere in this game. If you have only been feeling it recently, then you are lucky.
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Post by hackenschuh on Jul 20, 2017 8:36:15 GMT -5
I dont really know what you mean. You think all 12/12 bots in diamond are tankers? I meant that the gameplay puts her together with diamonds, there are 12/12 bots! But the main problem is that the game causes the problem already by the big spread of leagues in mixing teams. I have the same problem in diamond league, beeing mixed with experts and gold. When I startet the game maybe 10 months ago, I had had big problems with tankers and clubbers and leavers. But the new league system made the gameplay better and more fair for me. tanking was not a massive problem anymore with the league system. But now they put me together with 3 to 4 leagues higher opponents. That is what I'm talking about. The tanking never stopped. You just happened to miss it. This forum is FULL of complaints about tankers. And yes, 12/12 in anything lower than expert (some might even say master) are tankers or seriously the worse maxed players ever. and FYI, the league system made tanking worse. Before that, there was no reason to tank. But it helped get rid of clubbers. As someone who monitors this forum, please trust me that tanking is everywhere in this game. If you have only been feeling it recently, then you are lucky. Ok, we missunderstood. I know that they are tanking now much, and there was tanking before the new league started. I know what you mean. I met enough last year with my 5/5 hangar. But thats not part of my thread. I do not understand, when I have leagues, than I have to play in my league. If not, I need no league. What I want to tell is I dont want have this heavy spreading of leagues when generating the teams. like the months before the event. Off course, this will not avoid tanking.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 20, 2017 9:18:07 GMT -5
Just an observation and I don't know if it applies... but... I have seen a lot more Silver and Gold accounts that aren't tankers, but have 12s.
They have very low victories and that leads me to think that they are new players.... not tankers.
Also, a LOT of them are using weapons that are absolutely crap if on par with the levels of the majority of Silver players, but maxed, are just...well, they might as well be tankers.
But again, they aren't.
Anyway, setups like 12/12 Hydra Fujins, 12/12 Zenit Fury. 12/12 Gekko Patton. I saw one that was a Boa with a freaking 12/12 KangDae + Hydra, and another that had 5!!! freaking 12/12 Pattons... 1 carrying Pinatas, 1 carrying spirals, 1 carrying gekkos, 1 carrying Noris, and 1 carrying Puns. I'm sorry, but a Silver account, again I'll say it for the 100,000th time, should not be able to have level 12 of anything. Nor should any of them have to face it.
So, what I am saying is, that these setups are good enough to dominate lower skilled/weaponed players, but if they go against even 6/6 hangars of someone who has a pretty good grasp on the game, they are equalized. It's not easy, but I have done it. So, again my point is not that they are there, but that they won't rise very fast and will be monsters in Silver against other, inexperienced Silvers. Even Golds. They are in setups that are very frustrating to play against while that low and that do enough damage to win battles, but not always, and if they are sitting back, spamming Hydras or Gekkos, they aren't getting beacons... they may end up staying in their league a lot longer than a normal, well rounded player, would.
Of course, I can only guess as to whether they are just whales, 2nd accounts of players that are Champs and have lots of waste money, or what, but they are there. Do I see Tankers? SURE! But I see a lot more of "legitimate" 10/12 to 12/12 hangars in Silver. (And yes, this is first hand when on my Silver account I made for squadding with folk in our clan that are Silver. It only has one weapon at 8, all the rest are 5,6, and 7. Like Silver should have.)
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Post by hyderier on Jul 20, 2017 12:48:01 GMT -5
And yes, 12/12 in anything lower than expert (some might even say master) are tankers or seriously the worse maxed players ever. There are whales who just buy Au and fet and upgrade anything they want. Assuming bought stuff and upgrades, an inexperienced player might get average +10 league points per battle. That's then something like 320 battles to get to Expert. Assuming no disconnects or just leaving early for RL, or anything else "catastrophic". And already Diamond is league where maxed hangar doesn't yet guarantee anything, you have to have enough skill to not be wiped out by lower upgrade level skilled players, so getting to Expert in 320 games can't be just bought with money. So you really have to look at amount of wins a player has before condemning them as tankers.
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Post by mandapan on Jul 21, 2017 19:38:29 GMT -5
"Broken" MM is why I have uninstalled this garbage. Not that Pixonic cares what it's users think about anything but if they're wondering where their user-base has gone, maybe my experience can offer some insight.
It's exactly like OP and responders have said. The MM is too uneven, and I don't for a second believe it's random because very often I'm on a team with everyone basically being at the same level as me, low... and everyone on the other team is very high level. Is this because of clans, or squads? I don't know. But it makes the game a miserable experience and frankly I'd rather grind my nose off with a cheese grater than be cannon fodder for the pay-to-win crowd anymore.
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Post by hackenschuh on Jul 22, 2017 3:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jul 22, 2017 4:15:34 GMT -5
Dear Pixo developers, please stop mixing the Teams in that way! my girlfriend is level 23 in silver with 6/6 hangar and hast to play against 12/12. For what it should it be good?!? That question is easily answered. Pixonic is a business and wants to make money. So if you are annoyed enough, you might buy some gold to speedup your upgrades 'til level 12. Any decent business wouldn't be p*ssing off their potential customer/player base with such a sh*tty matching algorithm and messed up way of ranking players and causing far too many to just quit playing once they get a load of the 「fluffernutter」t*rded way Pixonic does do their business. Happy customers spend more than angry ones. It's worked in every business model since the dawn of time.
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Post by psyflex on Jul 22, 2017 4:48:08 GMT -5
Any decent business wouldn't be p*ssing off their potential customer/player base with such a sh*tty matching algorithm and messed up way of ranking players and causing far too many to just quit playing once they get a load of the 「fluffernutter」t*rded way Pixonic does do their business. Happy customers spend more than angry ones. It's worked in every business model since the dawn of time. I totally agree with you. So i really don't get why Pixonic isn't doing any better. While the MM might be not too easy to adjust to find a good level, they still could fix the other problems and bugs and communicate better with their customers. I don't know why they don't have a butracker for example. People are reporting the same things again and again. If Pixo would list the most reported bugs on their site, along with a comment, whether they are currently looking into it, put it on their todo list or admit not being able to find the bug, at least the customers would know Pixo is caring about the problems. But no, they create new content instead and buf and nerf, while the game isn't working correctly for a part of their customers. And i don't even want to talk about the prices in the shop. Selling virtual, nonexistant, digital bots for more than 50$ ? LOL, seriously ? It's like throwing the money out of the window, but it apparently there are people that are willing to spend so much money, or Pixonic would have much lower prices.
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Post by hackenschuh on Jul 22, 2017 23:48:23 GMT -5
Any decent business wouldn't be p*ssing off their potential customer/player base with such a sh*tty matching algorithm and messed up way of ranking players and causing far too many to just quit playing once they get a load of the 「fluffernutter」t*rded way Pixonic does do their business. Happy customers spend more than angry ones. It's worked in every business model since the dawn of time. I totally agree with you. So i really don't get why Pixonic isn't doing any better. While the MM might be not too easy to adjust to find a good level, they still could fix the other problems and bugs and communicate better with their customers. I don't know why they don't have a butracker for example. People are reporting the same things again and again. If Pixo would list the most reported bugs on their site, along with a comment, whether they are currently looking into it, put it on their todo list or admit not being able to find the bug, at least the customers would know Pixo is caring about the problems. But no, they create new content instead and buf and nerf, while the game isn't working correctly for a part of their customers. And i don't even want to talk about the prices in the shop. Selling virtual, nonexistant, digital bots for more than 50$ ? LOL, seriously ? It's like throwing the money out of the window, but it apparently there are people that are willing to spend so much money, or Pixonic would have much lower prices. I also wondering about the prices. Thats a joke. I promise there are gamers playing this game and live in the third world and have 50$ a month to live. You dont need to spend money for that. You can farm enough gold and silver playing this game fair and with fun. What I have seen are much gamers with pushed hangars (for what ever it should be good) comes from Irak and such countries. 10/10's with 200 victories.
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Post by warrobotmaddog on Jul 24, 2017 13:26:27 GMT -5
I believe the "blew the locks" off the separate leagues for the event and they need to be re established. I am a blue player but still blew away a champion gold member/clan member. Made me feel good cause I am not a clan member and not a gold member.
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Post by warrobotmaddog on Jul 24, 2017 13:34:21 GMT -5
First this is a game if anyone has gone to PAX East tons of money is spent on games. Blizzard had two lambo's on display! so this is a business model of psychology. Get them to spend... if I can spend some money to prevent me from getting destroyed then that what I do..screw the rent money my landlord can wait. I have to win the game. I have done well but enjoy the game. play well my friends play well and maybe you will have 6 tempests!
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Post by hackenschuh on Jul 25, 2017 3:06:40 GMT -5
First this is a game if anyone has gone to PAX East tons of money is spent on games. Blizzard had two lambo's on display! so this is a business model of psychology. Get them to spend... if I can spend some money to prevent me from getting destroyed then that what I do..screw the rent money my landlord can wait. I have to win the game. I have done well but enjoy the game. play well my friends play well and maybe you will have 6 tempests! Hmm, ok, but I know the game good enough to know that maybe 50$ or 50€ will not change really my situation when I'm in gold with 7/7 hangar and being faced to experts. You tell the truth, its psychology, and many people seems to spend much money for this game. I would prefer to go to a good restaurant here in Berlin and have a good meal for 50€ instead of buying a bot, weapon or whatelse.
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Post by WilsonK on Jul 25, 2017 3:32:01 GMT -5
Dear Pixo developers, please stop mixing the Teams in that way! my girlfriend is level 23 in silver with 6/6 hangar and hast to play against 12/12. For what it should it be good?!? Just a game dude, chilllllll ~ Hahaha! Write a ticket in to Pix via the in-game support, and pray. Otherwise, you and your girlfriend could find other things to do, like, play with each other! Definitely more productive! Cheers, WilsonK.
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Post by hackenschuh on Jul 25, 2017 6:19:50 GMT -5
Dear Pixo developers, please stop mixing the Teams in that way! my girlfriend is level 23 in silver with 6/6 hangar and hast to play against 12/12. For what it should it be good?!? Just a game dude, chilllllll ~ Hahaha! Write a ticket in to Pix via the in-game support, and pray. Otherwise, you and your girlfriend could find other things to do, like, play with each other! Definitely more productive! Cheers, WilsonK. my gf stopped playing this game because of the unfair mm. so we have enough time to play other things ? yes, its just a game, like football, soccer and every other game in the world, and I dont get gray hairs because of it. But I thought to talk about things concerning the game is for what a forum existing.
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Post by racerx on Jul 25, 2017 19:23:11 GMT -5
Currently, it's a bit necessary for broad range of Leagues. If things go according to Pixonic's plans - weapon diversity being introduced to higher Leagues - the MM should tighten up relatively soon. Play a mostly defensive game and choose targets of opportunity. You'll soon find that your piloting skills will improve and when you check the After Action report you'll say, "Dang. I smoked a Diamond." You'll get better and won't even realize it .. I don't buy it. The matches should have the top 1/2 of the active players in a separate match from the lower 1/2. If there's a lack of players then either the teams should be smaller or some other way to make it work. The problem now is that it's not balanced for either the silvers, golds or diamonds.
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Post by WilsonK on Jul 25, 2017 21:00:57 GMT -5
Just a game dude, chilllllll ~ Hahaha! Write a ticket in to Pix via the in-game support, and pray. Otherwise, you and your girlfriend could find other things to do, like, play with each other! Definitely more productive! Cheers, WilsonK. my gf stopped playing this game because of the unfair mm. so we have enough time to play other things ? yes, its just a game, like football, soccer and every other game in the world, and I dont get gray hairs because of it. But I thought to talk about things concerning the game is for what a forum existing. Yeah I hear you, good to share though, even though the MM topic has been going in circles!
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Post by Firebeard on Jul 25, 2017 21:36:57 GMT -5
Here's the thing:
Gold and Diamond face Expert and Champion League(s). But Gold and Diamond also face Bronze and Silver League(s). This means; Bronze and Silver haven't a hope in hell of Winning more than 1 in 20 Matches - I know because I'm in Sliver and have the same same "Win 8 Battles" for 10 days, now!
It's gone from being absurd to becoming idiotic. I've lost 90% of my interest in the game and 100% of my reasoning to invest.
Pixonic better make some serious announcements and follow through or soon it'll be too late to save game because casual players are the anathema of guaranteed income.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jul 25, 2017 22:23:20 GMT -5
Here's the thing: Gold and Diamond face Expert and Champion League(s). But Gold and Diamond also face Bronze and Silver League(s). This means; Bronze and Silver haven't a hope in hell of Winning more than 1 in 20 Matches - I know because I'm in Sliver and have the same same "Win 8 Battles" for 10 days, now! It's gone from being absurd to becoming idiotic. I've lost 90% of my interest in the game and 100% of my reasoning to invest. Pixonic better make some serious announcements and follow through or soon it'll be too late to save game because casual players are the anathema of guaranteed income. First, this response of mine only concerns Android... I agree with the last sentence. The second to last sentence is just sh*tty luck most likely. Cr*ppy teammates ignoring beacons, unequal equipment, etc. Like kidney stones it passes. Bloody and painfully but it passes. The first paragraph is off just a little bit. While in Silver and Bronze I very rarely see Gold players. And if I do it's most probably due to a low player pool because it almost always takes a bit longer for the matches to begin. Once you hit Gold you are very rarely put back into Silver and Bronze matches. You're going to see Gold-Champion 99% of the time because Pixonic has said as much and it has always been my experience when I climb up there. I yo-yo up and down those ridiculous "league" rankings a lot because I'm not going to conform to what other players think I should play like or how I should play with it. I play how I want and I play with what I want, and if others have a problem with that I just laugh and think to myself, "What are they going to do about it?". The answer is nothing. Nothing is what they're going to do, nothing at all. They'll b*tch. They'll moan and groan. Or they'll quit playing. It's still nothing by any definition. There's one way to respond and that's to demand a fair matchmaking system from Pixonic. But that takes too much effort for most people. They can write and gripe here in far more words than it would take to just let Pixonic know their feelings in the in game Support page. But heaven forbid they actually ever use that particular feature. Especially in enough numbers that it might get Pixonic's attention.
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Post by DIeGo100% on Jul 25, 2017 22:46:25 GMT -5
Me gustaría que por.favor me prestasen atención. Mi nombre en el juego es Dark y mi ID es ED4LOA. Mande solicitud a varias legiones y me denegaron el acceso a sus legiones,cuando se supone que según el foro del juego aceptaban a compañeros nuevos. Llevo en este juego unos 10 días aprox. y me gustaría encontrar una legión española que me pudiera aceptar, si ven mi perfil tengo 2 grifis y un leo de nivel 6, y ayer conseguí el Carnage de nivel 1 que empiezo hoy a subir. Me gustaría recomendar que cuando cuelguen en el juego que aceptan a nuevos y los quieren con unos requisitos específicos lo pongan también. Como dije y sin incordiar, me gustaría estar en un clan español, me pueden ayudar? Ooo amigo estás en el lugar equivocado , aquí todos se comunican en inglés , pero puedes publicarte en Facebook, 10 días también es muy poco para que te acepten en una legión
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Post by Firebeard on Jul 25, 2017 22:54:29 GMT -5
Here's the thing: Gold and Diamond face Expert and Champion League(s). But Gold and Diamond also face Bronze and Silver League(s). This means; Bronze and Silver haven't a hope in hell of Winning more than 1 in 20 Matches - I know because I'm in Sliver and have the same same "Win 8 Battles" for 10 days, now! It's gone from being absurd to becoming idiotic. I've lost 90% of my interest in the game and 100% of my reasoning to invest. Pixonic better make some serious announcements and follow through or soon it'll be too late to save game because casual players are the anathema of guaranteed income. First, this response of mine only concerns Android... I agree with the last sentence. The second to last sentence is just sh*tty luck most likely. Cr*ppy teammates ignoring beacons, unequal equipment, etc. Like kidney stones it passes. Bloody and painfully but it passes. The first paragraph is off just a little bit. While in Silver and Bronze I very rarely see Gold players. And if I do it's most probably due to a low player pool because it almost always takes a bit longer for the matches to begin. Once you hit Gold you are very rarely put back into Silver and Bronze matches. You're going to see Gold-Champion 99% of the time because Pixonic has said as much and it has always been my experience when I climb up there. I yo-yo up and down those ridiculous "league" rankings a lot because I'm not going to conform to what other players think I should play like or how I should play with it. I play how I want and I play with what I want, and if others have a problem with that I just laugh and think to myself, "What are they going to do about it?". The answer is nothing. Nothing is what they're going to do, nothing at all. They'll b*tch. They'll moan and groan. Or they'll quit playing. It's still nothing by any definition. There's one way to respond and that's to demand a fair matchmaking system from Pixonic. But that takes too much effort for most people. They can write and gripe here in far more words than it would take to just let Pixonic know their feelings in the in game Support page. But heaven forbid they actually ever use that particular feature. Especially in enough numbers that it might get Pixonic's attention. I'm fairly easy going. I understand the low Player Pool aspect. But 8/10 games is Gold/Diamond. I'm not kidding about the " Win 8 Battles," either. I don't mind Losing, nobody does but Losing 9/10 Matches consistently is too much. I can't even Win the three 'Bonus Silver Matches. This is a regularity since the new algorithm. It's unfortunate but I truly have lost most, if not dang near all incentive to play or pay. I hope Pixonic tightens the MM soon because it's looking pretty grimm ..
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Post by mandapan on Jul 25, 2017 23:52:56 GMT -5
... There's one way to respond and that's to demand a fair matchmaking system from Pixonic. But that takes too much effort for most people. They can write and gripe here in far more words than it would take to just let Pixonic know their feelings in the in game Support page. But heaven forbid they actually ever use that particular feature. Especially in enough numbers that it might get Pixonic's attention. My thought is it would be more effective to make an alternative and get people playing it. Collectively it creates a larger voice and something they can't ignore. Also it can act as a test bed for new concepts. I added a thread to Off-Topic with some ideas. I'm working on it, between other projects.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jul 26, 2017 1:59:39 GMT -5
... There's one way to respond and that's to demand a fair matchmaking system from Pixonic. But that takes too much effort for most people. They can write and gripe here in far more words than it would take to just let Pixonic know their feelings in the in game Support page. But heaven forbid they actually ever use that particular feature. Especially in enough numbers that it might get Pixonic's attention. My thought is it would be more effective to make an alternative and get people playing it. Collectively it creates a larger voice and something they can't ignore. Also it can act as a test bed for new concepts. I added a thread to Off-Topic with some ideas. I'm working on it, between other projects. Yeah, me too... war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/9323/match-maker-fix
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