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Post by dreamslayer28 on Jul 11, 2017 6:41:47 GMT -5
Opposite opinion here. Multiple posts on FB with guys getting their accounts locked out. When they message Pix they're being told their account was locked due to behavior that runs contrary to Pix's expectation of how the game should be played. While I'm not against it, it seems very irresponsible on Pixonic's part. People spend money on this game. And if they get their account locked for something there are no rules against, they would likely be able to get their money back. For the sake of not making the problem bigger with their solution, they need to just adopt a strategy of transparency. Actually tell the players specifically what is against the rules. Put an option in game that you one-time have to agree to the terms. Then implement, and actually enforce consistently, a reporting system. I've always felt the easier solution is to just increase per game rewards as you move up in leagues (mainly silver). The only way to rid the game of tankers is to remove their incentive (easy resources). Then you'd be left with a much much smaller pool of tankers that do it simply to troll. This. Fair-playing players do not need to be punished for circumstances that they did not create.
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Jul 11, 2017 6:45:08 GMT -5
Where have you guys been seeing stories of Pixonic banning players for disruptive in game behavior? I've looked online and haven't seen any verifiable cases of this being true..even on reddit. There's entire clans out there who derive their vast wealth and champ league status from gaming Pixonic's idiotic matchmaking league system. I still see leavers, tankers, and faders everywhere in game so I doubt Pixonic is having any real effect on this even if it turns out to be true they are doing something. For once, I want Pixonic to be like Blizzard when it comes to player behavior: Just implement drastic measures. If bans are needed, then so be it. Or put players into a list then ban them in waves like Valve does.
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Post by llama4president on Jul 11, 2017 7:13:11 GMT -5
Where have you guys been seeing stories of Pixonic banning players for disruptive in game behavior? I've looked online and haven't seen any verifiable cases of this being true..even on reddit. There's entire clans out there who derive their vast wealth and champ league status from gaming Pixonic's idiotic matchmaking league system. I still see leavers, tankers, and faders everywhere in game so I doubt Pixonic is having any real effect on this even if it turns out to be true they are doing something. For once, I want Pixonic to be like Blizzard when it comes to player behavior: Just implement drastic measures. If bans are needed, then so be it. Or put players into a list then ban them in waves like Valve does. You can't compare Pixonic to Blizzard, both for a negative and a positive reason. Pixonic is much smaller, and the player target is far more casual, hence it means it can't afford to ban tons of people like some are uncaringly asking. The game is free, attracting lots of new players, and making new accounts has 0 cost, while on Blizzard games you are needed a License key. Pixonic on the other side is Adaptable and Versatile, has demonstrated to be able to change the gameplay drastically if needed, just think of the passage from the old to the new MM, some months ago, they could do again such big changes in a couple of months or in some quarters, while that would be hard to implement in consolidated games like Blizzard ones. Drastic measures for Blizzard means they get to keep the spent money, as it was payed on advance. On War Robots instead Pixonic would just hurt their earnings as could be banning possibly financing people. That's why infact they made the LQ instead of mindlessly banning tons of people, because in LQ those people would be able to play(and possibly spend money). And i feel that choice was golden marketing-wise. It's badly implemented though, as it lets tankers slip through the LQ requirements, leaving the far bigger part of tankers out of LQ.
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Post by llama4president on Jul 11, 2017 7:53:40 GMT -5
Thanks! is it already implemented in the game or is it a draft for when it will be added? Dunno bud, I googled it and found it. I'm sure Pix could easily add a link to it from within the app. As far as I know, it looks like it's their active ToS for using War Robots. Btw, i don't think it's active yet, i have never been prompted the ToS agreement, hence they will do it in a future update. But it's good to see they have finally done a draft, some months ago they didn't have even a single trace of it, and luckily they moved pretty fast since our beardy friend Dredd77 adviced them, a couple of months ago, to take action toward that direction.
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Post by agentorange on Jul 11, 2017 8:14:12 GMT -5
A lot of words when the problem is quite clear and simple.
Pixonic.
Never one time have they used the EXP bar for what it historically been used for in games. Comes up with league tier based "fix" that allows extreme deleveling. To this day max hangars are allowed into some of the lowest tiers. Creates the LQ with ultra vague entry and exit parameters. Many have no idea they are even in it. Allows top tankers to climb league ladder entirely separate from main group yet share rankings.
Why? Total idiots dont make 30m software sales. And deep pocketed purchasers dont care about fairness over making money. It because this method makes the most money. The ones who buy $50 Magnums abuse lesser players. thats why they pay over earn. to get the jump on the less fortunate.
Its really quite clear. Its the IAP way and all the games now are doing it...
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Post by Vectivus on Jul 11, 2017 11:50:12 GMT -5
Where have you guys been seeing stories of Pixonic banning players for disruptive in game behavior? I've looked online and haven't seen any verifiable cases of this being true..even on reddit. There's entire clans out there who derive their vast wealth and champ league status from gaming Pixonic's idiotic matchmaking league system. I still see leavers, tankers, and faders everywhere in game so I doubt Pixonic is having any real effect on this even if it turns out to be true they are doing something. For once, I want Pixonic to be like Blizzard when it comes to player behavior: Just implement drastic measures. If bans are needed, then so be it. Or put players into a list then ban them in waves like Valve does. This. Problems need to be stomped, and hard. People learn by experience and example. Make an example of those who purposefully wreck the game of others for their own ends, and other people will see that and fall in line.
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Post by tonyfla on Jul 11, 2017 12:09:31 GMT -5
For once, I want Pixonic to be like Blizzard when it comes to player behavior: Just implement drastic measures. If bans are needed, then so be it. Or put players into a list then ban them in waves like Valve does. This. Problems need to be stomped, and hard. People learn by experience and example. Make an example of those who purposefully wreck the game of others for their own ends, and other people will see that and fall in line. Hmmm...I suddenly want to grow a tiny mustache and give loud angry speeches in German. (Just firetrucking wit' ya. Mostly. ?)
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Post by Russel on Jul 11, 2017 14:36:01 GMT -5
A lot of words when the problem is quite clear and simple. Pixonic. Never one time have they used the EXP bar for what it historically been used for in games. Comes up with league tier based "fix" that allows extreme deleveling. To this day max hangars are allowed into some of the lowest tiers. Creates the LQ with ultra vague entry and exit parameters. Many have no idea they are even in it. Allows top tankers to climb league ladder entirely separate from main group yet share rankings. Why? Total idiots dont make 30m software sales. And deep pocketed purchasers dont care about fairness over making money. It because this method makes the most money. The ones who buy $50 Magnums abuse lesser players. thats why they pay over earn. to get the jump on the less fortunate. Its really quite clear. Its the IAP way and all the games now are doing it... You can't buy all the way up in this game. There is a skill involved (at least currently)
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Post by agentorange on Jul 11, 2017 15:06:16 GMT -5
well yes but once you have a little of it would not a mag or two give quite the edge against those who have none? who else but a mid teen exp player who thinks his snot is hot is gonna buy an entry level WP weapon? why is it fairly common to see a painted lance in a lvl 25 hangar when its impossible for a new pilot to save every last coin earned to buy it?
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Jul 11, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -5
There's a difference between buying a weapon earlier in your pilot career that provides a temporary advantage and dropping league points to harvest newbs in lower tiers.
Buying mags (or whatever they put on sale) eventually diminishes as you climb the league ladder and face similarly equipped players. Dropping leagues has no equalizer over the long run.
One promotes a temporary advantage (buying premium gear early on), one does not (tanking players never normalize against competition, they increase their advantage over time).
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Post by Russel on Jul 11, 2017 16:34:47 GMT -5
There's a difference between buying a weapon earlier in your pilot career that provides a temporary advantage and dropping league points to harvest newbs in lower tiers. Buying mags (or whatever they put on sale) eventually diminishes as you climb the league ladder and face similarly equipped players. Dropping leagues has no equalizer over the long run. One promotes a temporary advantage (buying premium gear early on), one does not (tanking players never normalize against competition, they increase their advantage over time). Same way with buying gold to speed up upgrades. You are skipping initial stage of the game, just move into mid-game faster. It's not a "cheat" or "unfair advantage".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 17:32:04 GMT -5
I'd just like to add to something very common that isn't malicious tanking but definitely screws the team over:
Kids. I'll be playing and my 2 year old daughter will sit by me and politely ask if she can have a turn next. Which of course I let her, can't expect her to learn to share if I'm not willing to do it myself. So now there's a toddler on your team who only operates the right side of the screen to fire in circles. Sorry guys, I know it hurts the matches, and especially infuriating since I'm in diamond league and you expect better. But she does ask nicely
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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on Jul 11, 2017 20:52:09 GMT -5
Easiest solution to tanking is....
STOP REWARDING IT
No need to punish, banish, or any other punitive "-ish". Just take the profit out of it.
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Jul 11, 2017 21:09:57 GMT -5
Easiest solution to tanking is.... STOP REWARDING IT No need to punish, banish, or any other punitive "-ish". Just take the profit out of it. Well, as I said in previous threads, here is what I think would be a good* solution. 1. Make LQ clear: Once you are dropped there, players should win between 5-9 matches, depending on the severity of the offense. Repeated offenders can get additional sanctions. 2. Make it zero rewards: Players will realize that there is no benefits to tanking and will reduce instance of such behavior. 3. Make MM proper: Pix has been fixing this department for quite a long time, it is better now than before. 4. Apply heuristics: Start with a report system to collect data. Once common patterns are set, place an autosystem into the game that will detect these guys and place them presto. 5. Incentivize positive behavior. These will take time, effort and resources on Pix's part. However, if they would be able to implement these things, it would certainly help in deterring, if not eradicating, said negative behavior (i.e. tanking, fading, etc.) TL;DR: Make it clear what is bad, act firmly on it and don't forget about the good players.
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Post by llama4president on Jul 12, 2017 1:16:09 GMT -5
Tried a few weeks ago a game called Clash Royale. It has a league system similar to this one, but it did put focus on the league rewards.
The rewards in that game are tied to some chests, with random rewards. The higher the tier, the better the chests. That is really an example on how to put the carrot on the league system, if they want people to push as far as they can.
That would improve competition and gameplay.
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Jul 12, 2017 1:46:14 GMT -5
Tried a few weeks ago a game called Clash Royale. It has a league system similar to this one, but it did put focus on the league rewards. The rewards in that game are tied to some chests, with random rewards. The higher the tier, the better the chests. That is really an example on how to put the carrot on the league system, if they want people to push as far as they can. That would improve competition and gameplay. Welcome to electronic sports, bro
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Post by hyderier on Jul 12, 2017 2:20:29 GMT -5
Let's take a player who already advanced to Gold, and drops back to Silver, that player will suffer decrease in silver payouts until he climbs back to his highest tier benchmark. Each league tier will warrant a 1-5% decrease in silver payouts, which means if your benchmark is Gold 1, and you drop to Silver 1, that's three tiers away, and results in 3-15% decrease in silver payouts etc. Any thoughts? Well, it would stop people from wanting to go up in leagues. Massive problem 3 months down the road, with Silver getting klogged up by players who make sure they don't go up, until they have highly leveled hangars. Then there'd be another klog-up probably in Diamond.
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Post by llama4president on Jul 12, 2017 2:36:05 GMT -5
Let's take a player who already advanced to Gold, and drops back to Silver, that player will suffer decrease in silver payouts until he climbs back to his highest tier benchmark. Each league tier will warrant a 1-5% decrease in silver payouts, which means if your benchmark is Gold 1, and you drop to Silver 1, that's three tiers away, and results in 3-15% decrease in silver payouts etc. Any thoughts? Well, it would stop people from wanting to go up in leagues. Massive problem 3 months down the road, with Silver getting klogged up by players who make sure they don't go up, until they have highly leveled hangars. Then there'd be another klog-up probably in Diamond. If something like this would be implemented it would greatly penalize Solo play. When i squad in clan, with mixed league hangars, i inevitably go up in leagues. When i return to solo play i obviously go down accordingly to my hangar/skill level. I for once would stop playing in Guild squads, if that would mean screwing my solo play. It would mean that i wouldn't be able to play alone anymore if i would stick to the mixed league squads. I like flexibility and wouldn't like to lose the freedom to play squad or solo whenever i want.
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Post by Russel on Jul 12, 2017 2:37:54 GMT -5
Tried a few weeks ago a game called Clash Royale. It has a league system similar to this one, but it did put focus on the league rewards. The rewards in that game are tied to some chests, with random rewards. The higher the tier, the better the chests. That is really an example on how to put the carrot on the league system, if they want people to push as far as they can. That would improve competition and gameplay. Oh man, here goes your mortgage, sorry to hear that :-D P.s. it's one of the most expensive games out there, once you are "in".
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Post by BLYTHE on Jul 12, 2017 3:26:18 GMT -5
I'd just like to add to something very common that isn't malicious tanking but definitely screws the team over: Kids. I'll be playing and my 2 year old daughter will sit by me and politely ask if she can have a turn next. Which of course I let her, can't expect her to learn to share if I'm not willing to do it myself. So now there's a toddler on your team who only operates the right side of the screen to fire in circles. Sorry guys, I know it hurts the matches, and especially infuriating since I'm in diamond league and you expect better. But she does ask nicely I understand that there are instances that might be misconstrued as deliberate tanking or fading--kids using your account, AFK, connection issues, etc. It's difficult to write an algorithm that will make a determination that a person is tanking/fading since it's fuzzy (literally) logic and not boolean. It doesn't make it any less frustrating though when (in Master's no less) you turn during countdown and spy a cossack with molots to your right. You lose, naturally, check the stats and he's got 4K wins and is running 5-Lvl 1 grasshoppers and a whopping 120K ave damage. If that's not suspicious then I shouldn't have any qualms getting my wife's prescription filled by B. Cosby.
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Post by llama4president on Jul 12, 2017 5:29:16 GMT -5
Tried a few weeks ago a game called Clash Royale. It has a league system similar to this one, but it did put focus on the league rewards. The rewards in that game are tied to some chests, with random rewards. The higher the tier, the better the chests. That is really an example on how to put the carrot on the league system, if they want people to push as far as they can. That would improve competition and gameplay. Oh man, here goes your mortgage, sorry to hear that :-D P.s. it's one of the most expensive games out there, once you are "in". Oh lol, don't worry i did quit for that reason just after 2 weeks. Also it doesn't reward activity because daily activity is ccapped and that is bad for me.
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Post by Russel on Jul 12, 2017 5:40:56 GMT -5
Oh man, here goes your mortgage, sorry to hear that :-D P.s. it's one of the most expensive games out there, once you are "in". Oh lol, don't worry i did quit for that reason just after 2 weeks. Also it doesn't reward activity because daily activity is ccapped and that is bad for me. Whenever people start whining about War Robots being pay-to-win, I just go and talk to some Clash' playing friends. And then all of a sudden paying $50 for a Hydra feels like a good deal.
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Post by Vectivus on Jul 12, 2017 9:36:48 GMT -5
I'd just like to add to something very common that isn't malicious tanking but definitely screws the team over: Kids. I'll be playing and my 2 year old daughter will sit by me and politely ask if she can have a turn next. Which of course I let her, can't expect her to learn to share if I'm not willing to do it myself. So now there's a toddler on your team who only operates the right side of the screen to fire in circles. Sorry guys, I know it hurts the matches, and especially infuriating since I'm in diamond league and you expect better. But she does ask nicely Is there a reason you can't make her her own account?
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Post by Vectivus on Jul 12, 2017 9:44:30 GMT -5
This. Problems need to be stomped, and hard. People learn by experience and example. Make an example of those who purposefully wreck the game of others for their own ends, and other people will see that and fall in line. Hmmm...I suddenly want to grow a tiny mustache and give loud angry speeches in German. (Just firetrucking wit' ya. Mostly. ?) Hey, the douchebags out there ruining games on purpose, for whatever reason, are the Commies; just consider me a vengeful, fed-up Uncle Sam. 'MERICA!!!!!!
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