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Post by Firebeard on Jul 10, 2017 12:32:34 GMT -5
Just because the keys are in the Ferrari and the motor's running does not mean you can drive away with it. Pixonic has stated and implied, on numerous occasions, that they are taking measures to address the issue of "Tanking." They do not condone the behaviour. The Player base does not accept it, either. I will find the ToS, again .. They have never stated any of this in game. And I would venture to guess that the majority of the players in the game do not look at Reddit/forums/Facebook pages to find all of this obscure information Pixonic releases. They're inconsistent in what little communication they have with the players. I spend a lot of time outside of the game, and I don't even know where all the stuff they release gets put up. As far as your real life scenario. Say America bans cigarettes tomorrow, and the penalty is death. People have always frowned upon smokers and smoking, but it's never been illegal. Oh and by the way, the government only tells people that happen to be part of city councils, and nobody else in the country knows about the new law. The next day, the Government begins executing people that smoke, and doesn't tell them why even then. They're just dead. Only way to find out is if a family or friend contacts the government asking why. And even then, the only people that know are those family and friends, and any direct person they happen to tell. In this example, we are one of the city councils. We know about it. But the players in the game represent everyone else. Doing something that's been frowned upon forever, but never actually against any rules. And again, if there is a ToS that is not available within the app, it doesn't apply. You can expect every single player to Google War Robots ToS to find some rules written on some outside medium. Ummm .. you're kidding, right? Pixonic wrote about "upcoming changes to the LQ" recently and just last week Pixonic stated further changes to enhance the punishment of LQ, on their Blog, to which they posted links to in-game. It's consistently implied.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 12:37:32 GMT -5
Don't forget that this system in place does grab up the tankers which is good but it also grabs up people who think they are playing within the rules and are sent to the LQ which is very bad.
For example people who skip certain maps because they don't have the proper hanger or people that skip maps because they hate certain maps or people playing on sketchy wifi or people doing event tasks and leave the match early to go to the next match or people who get a lot of texts or calls.
These people aren't malicious and dont have nefarious intentions like most tankers. If Pix was clear and warned that leaving any game at any time except after you meched out will count against you we would have a lot less upset people stuck in the LQ thru no fault of their own.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 12:47:24 GMT -5
They have never stated any of this in game. And I would venture to guess that the majority of the players in the game do not look at Reddit/forums/Facebook pages to find all of this obscure information Pixonic releases. They're inconsistent in what little communication they have with the players. I spend a lot of time outside of the game, and I don't even know where all the stuff they release gets put up. As far as your real life scenario. Say America bans cigarettes tomorrow, and the penalty is death. People have always frowned upon smokers and smoking, but it's never been illegal. Oh and by the way, the government only tells people that happen to be part of city councils, and nobody else in the country knows about the new law. The next day, the Government begins executing people that smoke, and doesn't tell them why even then. They're just dead. Only way to find out is if a family or friend contacts the government asking why. And even then, the only people that know are those family and friends, and any direct person they happen to tell. In this example, we are one of the city councils. We know about it. But the players in the game represent everyone else. Doing something that's been frowned upon forever, but never actually against any rules. And again, if there is a ToS that is not available within the app, it doesn't apply. You can expect every single player to Google War Robots ToS to find some rules written on some outside medium. Ummm .. you're kidding, right? Pixonic wrote about "upcoming changes to the LQ" recently and just last week Pixonic stated further changes to enhance the punishment of LQ, on their Blog, to which they posted links to in-game. It's consistently implied. You're basically reiterating what I'm saying, so I have to assume you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Or you think that your hatred for tankers justifies any sort of action that serves your purpose. They write stuff in a blog. That's outside of the game. Sure, there's a link to the game, in a menu that hardly anyone goes to, and even fewer people actually use to go to an outside source. Our forum is also linked in the game, and has been for a couple months now. Guess what, we average 4K viewers a day. And outside source with a link that you have to find in the game is not a reasonable way to implement the rules. It is extremely easy to write a ToS, write in a pop up window that must be agreed to before playing a game, and problem is solved. Then people know the rules and can be banned accordingly. If you don't tell the players to rules, you can't enforce them. Justifying punishment without any knowledge of rules is just a different form of bad morality from tanking.
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Post by Firebeard on Jul 10, 2017 12:55:49 GMT -5
Ummm .. you're kidding, right? Pixonic wrote about "upcoming changes to the LQ" recently and just last week Pixonic stated further changes to enhance the punishment of LQ, on their Blog, to which they posted links to in-game. It's consistently implied. You're basically reiterating what I'm saying, so I have to assume you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Or you think that your hatred for tankers justifies any sort of action that serves your purpose. They write stuff in a blog. That's outside of the game. Sure, there's a link to the game, in a menu that hardly anyone goes to, and even fewer people actually use to go to an outside source. Our forum is also linked in the game, and has been for a couple months now. Guess what, we average 4K viewers a day. And outside source with a link that you have to find in the game is not a reasonable way to implement the rules. It is extremely easy to write a ToS, write in a pop up window that must be agreed to before playing a game, and problem is solved. Then people know the rules and can be banned accordingly. If you don't tell the players to rules, you can't enforce them. Justifying punishment without any knowledge of rules is just a different form of bad morality from tanking. The Criminal Code is written in a Book kept in Libraries, Police Stations and Courthouses. Does that mean Laws don't exist? Let me quote Article 2 of the Criminal Code:/[Ignorance of the Law is no exception. It is the citizen's responsibility to learn the Laws and Policies of the land ..] Pixonic just needs to grant access. Which they do. Your argument is invalid.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 12:59:38 GMT -5
You're basically reiterating what I'm saying, so I have to assume you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Or you think that your hatred for tankers justifies any sort of action that serves your purpose. They write stuff in a blog. That's outside of the game. Sure, there's a link to the game, in a menu that hardly anyone goes to, and even fewer people actually use to go to an outside source. Our forum is also linked in the game, and has been for a couple months now. Guess what, we average 4K viewers a day. And outside source with a link that you have to find in the game is not a reasonable way to implement the rules. It is extremely easy to write a ToS, write in a pop up window that must be agreed to before playing a game, and problem is solved. Then people know the rules and can be banned accordingly. If you don't tell the players to rules, you can't enforce them. Justifying punishment without any knowledge of rules is just a different form of bad morality from tanking. The Criminal Code is written in a Book kept in Libraries, Police Stations and Courthouses. Does that mean Laws don't exist? Let me quote Article 2 of the Criminal Code:/[Ignorance of the Law is no exception. It is the citizen's responsibility to learn the Laws and Policies of the land ..] Pixonic just needs to grant access. Which they do. Your argument is invalid. You're also granted a lawyer, bail, and are innocent until proven guilty. You're try too hard to compare to the real world to make an invalid stance valid. You cannot enforce rules when there are no rules.
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Post by pirateb0t on Jul 10, 2017 13:03:23 GMT -5
This stuff about pixonic banning players for playing "not according to honorable reasons" sounds like a war robots urban legend. It sounds like you guys are being trolled. In every other match there's still guys who tank or fade even at expert 3. Less than diamond or gold..sure but not dramatically so.
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Post by Firebeard on Jul 10, 2017 13:04:22 GMT -5
The Criminal Code is written in a Book kept in Libraries, Police Stations and Courthouses. Does that mean Laws don't exist? Let me quote Article 2 of the Criminal Code:/[Ignorance of the Law is no exception. It is the citizen's responsibility to learn the Laws and Policies of the land ..] Pixonic just needs to grant access. Which they do. Your argument is invalid. You're also granted a lawyer, bail, and are innocent until proven guilty. You're try too hard to compare to the real world to make an invalid stance valid. You cannot enforce rules when there are no rules. Do you read what you write? No Rules .. they're implied. There is a ToS. There is access to such information. Simply because it is not conveniently placed in your hands does not mean they don't exist.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jul 10, 2017 13:18:52 GMT -5
I'll admit that I've considered it on numerous occasions. The lone thing that keeps me from doing it is that it screws over the other players on my team and it's not fair to do to them. It's especially obnoxious since we have the event going on now where you're required to win in order to progress. I also find it to be pretty infuriating that approaching half of my losses since the event started are due to people fading or tanking. 6 days and many hours of gameplay in and I just got to the final stage of the Aphid step this morning before work. Me too. I'm also working towards Aphid. I actually DID tank for a week in the previous event, partly for the reasons you stated. I did not tank before and haven't tanked since. There is something about these events that just makes matchups unbearable sometimes.
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Post by Russel on Jul 10, 2017 13:19:33 GMT -5
They're inconsistent in what little communication they have with the players. What? Pixonic got this shiny stuff called "communication with player"? The next day, the Government begins executing people that smoke, and doesn't tell them why even then. Reminds me of a country; several, to be honest, but :-X And again, if there is a ToS that is not available within the app, it doesn't apply. You can expect every single player to Google War Robots ToS to find some rules written on some outside medium. Yeah, you just need to use Raijin to climb the dam on the Springfield, fall off to the other end, and use three shots of the Tempest to unlock the key which you should take to the big antenna on the Yamantau, near the radar tower with your lvl12 Destrier, and there are the rules. I could not believe you haven't found them yet.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Jul 10, 2017 13:20:57 GMT -5
@mij. I understand what you're saying, but it still doesn't wash for me.
By your logic one could argue using 3rd party hacks isn't explicitly banned per a formal EULA, hence they're allowed. I'm sure we can agree that (even though no formal in writing EULA exists) that a players account can and would be banned for such actions. Speed hacks in the past were a perfect example of players getting their accounts killed.
Take Pokemon Go as another instance. Players using GPS spoofing had their accounts perma banned when caught. The developer's didn't spell out that gps spoof was banned, but they still acted upon it when found.
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Post by Russel on Jul 10, 2017 13:23:01 GMT -5
I'll admit that I've considered it on numerous occasions. The lone thing that keeps me from doing it is that it screws over the other players on my team and it's not fair to do to them. It's especially obnoxious since we have the event going on now where you're required to win in order to progress. I also find it to be pretty infuriating that approaching half of my losses since the event started are due to people fading or tanking. 6 days and many hours of gameplay in and I just got to the final stage of the Aphid step this morning before work. Me too. I'm also working towards Aphid. I actually DID tank for a week in the previous event, partly for the reasons you stated. I did not tank before and haven't tanked since. There is something about these events that just makes matchups unbearable sometimes. Okay, guys, I need your opinion once again. During "Kill" tasks I go full kamikaze, killing 1~2 bots with each of mine, then I mech out at 4~6 minutes and leave the game. Pretty similar goes for "Beacon" - I go for beacon with a slight chance of capturing, then I go for enemy beacon, trying to shoot everything in sight. The result is I just drained from Diamond1 to Gold1. Is this tanking?
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Post by Russel on Jul 10, 2017 13:26:54 GMT -5
@mij. I understand what you're saying, but it still doesn't wash for me. By your logic one could argue using 3rd party hacks isn't explicitly banned per a formal EULA, hence they're allowed. I'm sure we can agree that (even though no formal in writing EULA exists) that a players account can and would be banned for such actions. Speed hacks in the past were a perfect example of players getting their accounts killed. Take Pokemon Go as another instance. Players using GPS spoofing had their accounts perma banned when caught. The developer's didn't spell out that gps spoof was banned, but they still acted upon it when found. We must differentiate "conscious tanking" and, say "map skipping" of a newbie player. During my first two weeks in game I skip a map if it was same map twice in a row. I wanted to play once in every map. This is not tanking by any means, but now it would be considered one. And probably would be banned. I am curious person by my nature, so I would look out for some information on that... But I perfectly can see new players who are not invested so deeply into the game. They skip some maps, end up in LQ and it's not a good thing. I say Pixonic are doing 「dookie」ty job in communications.
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Post by Poopface on Jul 10, 2017 14:04:44 GMT -5
Me too. I'm also working towards Aphid. I actually DID tank for a week in the previous event, partly for the reasons you stated. I did not tank before and haven't tanked since. There is something about these events that just makes matchups unbearable sometimes. Okay, guys, I need your opinion once again. During "Kill" tasks I go full kamikaze, killing 1~2 bots with each of mine, then I mech out at 4~6 minutes and leave the game. Pretty similar goes for "Beacon" - I go for beacon with a slight chance of capturing, then I go for enemy beacon, trying to shoot everything in sight. The result is I just drained from Diamond1 to Gold1. Is this tanking? For starters, I'll repost the second definition of "tanking" from our Glossary. By that definition (and the one I tend to hold to), what you're doing isn't tanking. I agree with your definition that you're being a kamikaze. Is it good to do? I find it somewhat distasteful since it's marginally selfish. That being said, I'm certainly not going to judge you for it. On the spectrum of "distasteful", I put it somewhere between "eating zucchini" and "cleaning the bathroom" which is far above "using an emery board on my nails." Regarding the Beacon thing, I see that as being a bit worse if you're taking on a "eff it. It's beacons or bust" approach and end up suiciding early on in the match once you can't easily get beacons any more. Ultimately, for me, if someone is being overly selfish (moral compass alert!) that's what I have issue with, regardless of the application ingame. Whether it's fading, tanking, a kamikaze approach, or being beacon ?female dog? each has their own rating on the meter for how selfish an act it may or may not be. As others say, "IMO, YMMV"
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 14:18:24 GMT -5
I'm just going to cut my argument short, because it's just an endless circle.
Why are you so adamantly against having rules in writing that are required to be agreed upon by players? That's literally the point you're arguing against. I've stated multiple times that I believe tankers should be dealt with. The only point we disagree on is I think rules should be written with acknowledgement required to play the game, and you think the rules shouldn't be available to the players. That standpoint makes no sense to me.
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Post by Russel on Jul 10, 2017 14:41:57 GMT -5
Okay, guys, I need your opinion once again. During "Kill" tasks I go full kamikaze, killing 1~2 bots with each of mine, then I mech out at 4~6 minutes and leave the game. Pretty similar goes for "Beacon" - I go for beacon with a slight chance of capturing, then I go for enemy beacon, trying to shoot everything in sight. The result is I just drained from Diamond1 to Gold1. Is this tanking? For starters, I'll repost the second definition of "tanking" from our Glossary. By that definition (and the one I tend to hold to), what you're doing isn't tanking. I agree with your definition that you're being a kamikaze. Is it good to do? I find it somewhat distasteful since it's marginally selfish. That being said, I'm certainly not going to judge you for it. On the spectrum of "distasteful", I put it somewhere between "eating zucchini" and "cleaning the bathroom" which is far above "using an emery board on my nails." Regarding the Beacon thing, I see that as being a bit worse if you're taking on a "eff it. It's beacons or bust" approach and end up suiciding early on in the match once you can't easily get beacons any more. Ultimately, for me, if someone is being overly selfish (moral compass alert!) that's what I have issue with, regardless of the application ingame. Whether it's fading, tanking, a kamikaze approach, or being beacon ?female dog? each has their own rating on the meter for how selfish an act it may or may not be. As others say, "IMO, YMMV" Very good writeup, thank you! To make myself perfectly clear I will show you result of one of my yesterday's BEACON RUN, where I perform "it's beacon or bust" on Shenzen. Sometimes it's worse, sometimes it's better. That is, I'd say, a 7+ match on my grade from 1 (worst) to 10 (best) performance. During my worst performance it's 100~200K damage and 3~4 beacons.
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Post by llama4president on Jul 10, 2017 15:01:47 GMT -5
You're also granted a lawyer, bail, and are innocent until proven guilty. You're try too hard to compare to the real world to make an invalid stance valid. You cannot enforce rules when there are no rules. Do you read what you write? No Rules .. they're implied. There is a ToS. There is access to such information. Simply because it is not conveniently placed in your hands does not mean they don't exist. Would you be so kind to link it or give even a screenshot of this ToS. Since i started playing i reinstalled like 30 times, and i have not seen a single trace. If you would bring proof of its existance it would be the end of this Holy Grail search. btw, rules should be clear for everyone to know, more if they make a simple version of this rules accessible inside the game. About tanking, i don't believe in the stick. The stick won't solve anything, people will keep tanking and new players will do it again when will be their turn. The carrot is the solution, increasingly valuable battle rewards tied to league tiers. If balanced right, you won't see a single tanker in the game, you won't have to spare staff time to ban people, and again most of all, you won't have to say goodbye to any of your customers. The carrot is always the solution, the problem is that right now the carrot is on the tanking, take it away from there and put it on high leagues, and you would see people swarming there without even having to sweat
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Post by llama4president on Jul 10, 2017 15:04:45 GMT -5
I had no idea Russel , your ingame name really sucks heya 1526 how are u today? XD
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Post by Russel on Jul 10, 2017 15:08:44 GMT -5
I had no idea Russel , your ingame name really sucks :P heya 1526 how are u today? XD I said it before, I say it again. It is an old Mayan name, like "Covfefe". It got a hidden meaning. As far as I remember it's something similar to "Remember not to take in-game advice, ever, or you might not be able to change the name later for free"
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Post by llama4president on Jul 10, 2017 15:28:19 GMT -5
This is how i feel is the difference between the stick and the carrot. With the stick there is a lot of unefficient work to do, going toward the most hard direction. With the carrot instead...
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Post by Poopface on Jul 10, 2017 15:52:42 GMT -5
This is how i feel is the difference between the stick and the carrot. With the stick there is a lot of unefficient work to do, going toward the most hard direction. With the carrot instead... So you're saying that you have three idiot women trying to operate the stick? No wonder we still have so much tanking, still.
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Post by llama4president on Jul 10, 2017 16:03:36 GMT -5
This is how i feel is the difference between the stick and the carrot. With the stick there is a lot of unefficient work to do, going toward the most hard direction. With the carrot instead... So you're saying that you have three idiot women trying to operate the stick? No wonder we still have so much tanking, still. Wouldn't say in those dire terms, but certainly fighting tanking through repression is like to turn a pole on its wrong rotation axys You put the carrot on the leagues, and people will be attracted toward the higher ones. there are many solutions to the tanking problem. Reporting, checking the player, banning or putting in LQ, this done for the hundreds and maybe thousands players that tank. There are possibly even paying customers among them. Or you could put rules in the game, trying to sensitize players toward a correct behaviour, hoping for their good will. Or you could reduce the rewards for those tanking under certain rules, which will have to be updated once tankers find new exploits. Or you could put a carrot of the rewards in the league system, making players DESIRE to reach their highest possible league, as there they will farm much better than in tanking. And this solution would require really the least energy possible from the Pixonic staff, meaning just coding time, and 0 support time wasted on banning possibly paying people. They would heal the condition of the player base on top of that.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jul 10, 2017 16:47:58 GMT -5
Me too. I'm also working towards Aphid. I actually DID tank for a week in the previous event, partly for the reasons you stated. I did not tank before and haven't tanked since. There is something about these events that just makes matchups unbearable sometimes. Okay, guys, I need your opinion once again. During "Kill" tasks I go full kamikaze, killing 1~2 bots with each of mine, then I mech out at 4~6 minutes and leave the game. Pretty similar goes for "Beacon" - I go for beacon with a slight chance of capturing, then I go for enemy beacon, trying to shoot everything in sight. The result is I just drained from Diamond1 to Gold1. Is this tanking? Tanking seems to have evolved somewhat to represent any style of play that seeks benefit for yourself, without consideration of the gaming/playing experience of other players ( Poopface summed this up really well). In the literal sense, no, you are not deliberately reducing your ranking (tanking). However, the goal of this style of play does not consider the playing experience of your teammates at all. This is not a judgement, it's a fact. For that reason some may believe it to exhibit everything that tanking represents, and may even call it as such. Whenever someone uses the word tanking, I usually try to interpret it in terms of context. When someone rants about 'tanking', they are not so much upset about the fact players are manipulating their rankings. They are upset that players inconvenience others in order to convenience themselves. I think 'tanking' is often the word they use to encompass all forms of this injustice.
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Post by Russel on Jul 10, 2017 16:54:39 GMT -5
llama4president: I can almost agree with you, as long as "carrot" is NOT Gold\Silver things. I honestly think that resources are generated in enormous amount (as I said earlier, it is very possible to make 3K+ gold per month and 50M+ Silver, which is more than enough for a casual player). More would spoil the players. So what I actually could think of are such things as: - Second upgrade queue - Hangar presets - Access to more maps (premium maps only for higher leagues) - Heck, even access to premium or custom Paintjobs in higher leagues - Or some crazy 「dookie」 light projecting headlights (we've seen them in FanArt and ads video, so why the hell not?) Or something like that. If you think long enough about why rewarding with Gold\Silver is bad you understand that once at some point (Diamond?) some players would be rewarded more, a gap would be formed, where it would be easier for a higher league players to buy\upgrade stuff, and it would be a lot harder for top Gold players to reach the Diamond (you remember that being Gold1 you are placed against some Diamond players, right?) So that would create same disbalance as now, where you will literally hit 12\12 wall trying to get into Diamond.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Jul 10, 2017 17:00:03 GMT -5
For those requesting the Pix ToS, I posted it into the News section (as it's pretty long).
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Post by Russel on Jul 10, 2017 17:11:50 GMT -5
Okay, guys, I need your opinion once again. During "Kill" tasks I go full kamikaze, killing 1~2 bots with each of mine, then I mech out at 4~6 minutes and leave the game. Pretty similar goes for "Beacon" - I go for beacon with a slight chance of capturing, then I go for enemy beacon, trying to shoot everything in sight. The result is I just drained from Diamond1 to Gold1. Is this tanking? Tanking seems to have evolved somewhat to represent any style of play that seeks benefit for yourself, without consideration of the gaming/playing experience of other players ( Poopface summed this up really well). In the literal sense, no, you are not deliberately reducing your ranking (tanking). However, the goal of this style of play does not consider the playing experience of your teammates at all. This is not a judgement, it's a fact. For that reason some may believe it to exhibit everything that tanking represents, and may even call it as such. Whenever someone uses the word tanking, I usually try to interpret it in terms of context. When someone rants about 'tanking', they are not so much upset about the fact players are manipulating their rankings. They are upset that players inconvenience others in order to convenience themselves. I think 'tanking' is often the word they use to encompass all forms of this injustice. That is one more definition of "tanking" today :-) For me "tanking" is "doing something to deliberately take advantage of less skilled players"; but I guess it's pretty much same as "sealclubbing" in that sense. Anyways, here is the great grey area in my opinion. Where do I draw the line between "duty" and "game"? What extent can I go to have fun while not ruining it for other players? As an example - it would be no fun for me to wait until everything is upgraded to, say 9\9 (actual levels don't matter) before bringing it into the game. And sometimes I play while waiting in the queue, with possibility of abandoning the game due to change of pace in service. Or I play using 3G, knowing that it is not ideal in our country. Or my wife could remove me from the game completely by some family matter during the game in progress. Everything listed above is not a "force-majore" situations, and I know that some of these can force me to play poorly or leave the game altogether. I believe that everybody should draw the "moral line", so to say; and there is no single correct answer. For me the line is the fact that I am going to deliberately exploit less experienced players to get my task done. That is, I allow myself to bring wacky builds into the battle, or server my needs first; But I usually try my best to help the team - so if I'm capping beacon - I fight reds while doing so, not ignoring them (but I would not shoot my rockets at Ancile far away); if I'm aiming for the kill - I help my teammates and cap occasional beacon or five, if I am heading that direction (but I am NOT going farm on Springfield). Having said that I would be pleased if everybody would present their honest opinion on "Where is the line of tanking for you?" question.
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Post by llama4president on Jul 10, 2017 17:19:49 GMT -5
For those requesting the Pix ToS, I posted it into the News section (as it's pretty long). Thanks! is it already implemented in the game or is it a draft for when it will be added?
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Jul 10, 2017 17:21:27 GMT -5
Tanking seems to have evolved somewhat to represent any style of play that seeks benefit for yourself, without consideration of the gaming/playing experience of other players ( Poopface summed this up really well). In the literal sense, no, you are not deliberately reducing your ranking (tanking). However, the goal of this style of play does not consider the playing experience of your teammates at all. This is not a judgement, it's a fact. For that reason some may believe it to exhibit everything that tanking represents, and may even call it as such. Whenever someone uses the word tanking, I usually try to interpret it in terms of context. When someone rants about 'tanking', they are not so much upset about the fact players are manipulating their rankings. They are upset that players inconvenience others in order to convenience themselves. I think 'tanking' is often the word they use to encompass all forms of this injustice. That is one more definition of "tanking" today :-) For me "tanking" is "doing something to deliberately take advantage of less skilled players"; but I guess it's pretty much same as "sealclubbing" in that sense. Anyways, here is the great grey area in my opinion. Where do I draw the line between "duty" and "game"? What extent can I go to have fun while not ruining it for other players? As an example - it would be no fun for me to wait until everything is upgraded to, say 9\9 (actual levels don't matter) before bringing it into the game. And sometimes I play while waiting in the queue, with possibility of abandoning the game due to change of pace in service. Or I play using 3G, knowing that it is not ideal in our country. Or my wife could remove me from the game completely by some family matter during the game in progress. Everything listed above is not a "force-majore" situations, and I know that some of these can force me to play poorly or leave the game altogether. I believe that everybody should draw the "moral line", so to say; and there is no single correct answer. For me the line is the fact that I am going to deliberately exploit less experienced players to get my task done. That is, I allow myself to bring wacky builds into the battle, or server my needs first; But I usually try my best to help the team - so if I'm capping beacon - I fight reds while doing so, not ignoring them (but I would not shoot my rockets at Ancile far away); if I'm aiming for the kill - I help my teammates and cap occasional beacon or five, if I am heading that direction (but I am NOT going farm on Springfield). Having said that I would be pleased if everybody would present their honest opinion on "Where is the line of tanking for you?" question. I don't consider this tanking. tanking is when your goal is to loose league points to drop. You however have the goal to kill(or cap) as much bots(beacons) as possible. You objective (primarily) is not to loose.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Jul 10, 2017 19:42:21 GMT -5
For those requesting the Pix ToS, I posted it into the News section (as it's pretty long). Thanks! is it already implemented in the game or is it a draft for when it will be added? Dunno bud, I googled it and found it. I'm sure Pix could easily add a link to it from within the app. As far as I know, it looks like it's their active ToS for using War Robots.
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Post by tonyfla on Jul 11, 2017 4:15:10 GMT -5
It's pretty simple. You can play by one of three rules:
1) Don't be a 「wee-wee」.
2) Be a 「wee-wee」.
3) Don't care if you're being a 「wee-wee」 or not.
If you're doing something that makes you fret about it, then you already know the answer: yep, you're being a 「wee-wee」. Only thing that matters after that is which rule you wanna play by.
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Post by WilsonK on Jul 11, 2017 4:26:33 GMT -5
Opposite opinion here. Multiple posts on FB with guys getting their accounts locked out. When they message Pix they're being told their account was locked due to behavior that runs contrary to Pix's expectation of how the game should be played. While I'm not against it, it seems very irresponsible on Pixonic's part. People spend money on this game. And if they get their account locked for something there are no rules against, they would likely be able to get their money back. For the sake of not making the problem bigger with their solution, they need to just adopt a strategy of transparency. Actually tell the players specifically what is against the rules. Put an option in game that you one-time have to agree to the terms. Then implement, and actually enforce consistently, a reporting system. I've always felt the easier solution is to just increase per game rewards as you move up in leagues (mainly silver). The only way to rid the game of tankers is to remove their incentive (easy resources). Then you'd be left with a much much smaller pool of tankers that do it simply to troll. ^ Highlighted in bold, HUGE YES!! I mean come on, makes sense right guys? If you advance to higher leagues, the gold reward is "higher" so your after battle rewards should go up unanimously. Of course to support newer players and those climbing leagues for the first time, they will not be affected by this "filter". Let's take a player who already advanced to Gold, and drops back to Silver, that player will suffer decrease in silver payouts until he climbs back to his highest tier benchmark. Each league tier will warrant a 1-5% decrease in silver payouts, which means if your benchmark is Gold 1, and you drop to Silver 1, that's three tiers away, and results in 3-15% decrease in silver payouts etc. Any thoughts?
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