lch1
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Post by lch1 on May 22, 2017 8:36:39 GMT -5
Hello. How much costs speed up upgrades for 1 hour or for 1 day in gold? Thx.
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Post by MCYL on May 22, 2017 8:38:52 GMT -5
How much costs speed up upgrades for 1 hour or for 1 day in gold? The rate varies for 1hr its 25 gold but one day isn't 600, somewhere closer to 300. So it's up at the higher levels where upgrading with gold is worth its while. |
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lch1
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Posts: 47
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Pilot name: lch1
Platform: Android
Clan: CZ&SK
League: Silver
Server Region: Europe
Favorite robot: Lancelot, Carnage, Galahad
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Post by lch1 on May 22, 2017 8:47:19 GMT -5
Thx. Does someone know formula for it?
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Post by Scuzzbopper on May 22, 2017 8:57:13 GMT -5
It is common wisdom not to do this. I have never seen a published statement on the formula.
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lch1
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Platform: Android
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League: Silver
Server Region: Europe
Favorite robot: Lancelot, Carnage, Galahad
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Post by lch1 on May 22, 2017 9:04:25 GMT -5
I know it. But I actually have all I wanted for gold and what I need is upgrade it. I only collecting information about it now.
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Post by moody on May 22, 2017 20:33:16 GMT -5
Using gold to speed upgrades will CHEW through your silver.
Silver is more important than gold long term.
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on May 22, 2017 20:50:00 GMT -5
I actually calculated it once, it's something like 350 for the first 24 hours and 110/day after that. So you're really paying over 3x the cost for the first day of speedup.  |
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Post by MCYL on May 22, 2017 20:51:59 GMT -5
I actually calculated it once, it's something like 350 for the first 24 hours and 110/day after that. So you're really paying over 3x the cost for the first day of speedup. Might be worth it for my final push past 10 when I get to it. |
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Post by noobcake on May 22, 2017 21:24:01 GMT -5
Don't do it. The problem with speeding up your upgrades is that you run out of silver faster. You might be thinking "but I have over 150 million silver. Why should I care?" Because level 10 is the tipping point where you can't make silver fast enough to keep up. Unless you have over a billion silver, don't speed it up. You will probably need the gold to convert to silver.
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Post by moody on May 22, 2017 21:58:49 GMT -5
Don't do it. The problem with speeding up your upgrades is that you run out of silver faster. You might be thinking "but I have over 150 million silver. Why should I care?" Because level 10 is the tipping point where you can't make silver fast enough to keep up. Unless you have over a billion silver, don't speed it up. You will probably need the gold to convert to silver. Yep I have 120mil silver, but I'm doing lev 10 upgrades. It is not going to last long. |
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chimerith
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Post by chimerith on May 22, 2017 23:17:27 GMT -5
Don't do it. The problem with speeding up your upgrades is that you run out of silver faster. You might be thinking "but I have over 150 million silver. Why should I care?" Because level 10 is the tipping point where you can't make silver fast enough to keep up. Unless you have over a billion silver, don't speed it up. You will probably need the gold to convert to silver. I disagree, but would like to hear your algorithm for converting Au->Ag. Thought experiment on spending 750 Au: Scenario A: shave a week off of upgrades (if carefully spent). That can take a Taran from level 9-12. Let's say that earns you 5K Ag more per match from improved damage/survivability. At 10 matches a day for 6 days, that's 300K Ag extra. Scenario B: buy/sell an Aphid and get 300K Ag. I'm mostly bull「dookie」ting these numbers -- in fact tweaked them to come out equal so they're easier to critique -- but they seem plausible to me. Given A vs. B, I'd rather start blasting people today than next week. In a rather egregious case: through some lucky spins during the event, I came out 15K Au ahead. (plus 3 lances, 4 rogs, a garry, a galahad, and tons more). I also had >200K Ag burning a hole in my pocket. So I went ahead and rushed a bunch of things to level 12 (ancile, orkan, 2 tarans, thunder, trident) plus boosted other things to play with. Probably 3-4 months saved. The game is rather different now, and I'm still climbing leagues, hoping to get to Master. |
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Post by moody on May 22, 2017 23:49:39 GMT -5
Don't do it. The problem with speeding up your upgrades is that you run out of silver faster. You might be thinking "but I have over 150 million silver. Why should I care?" Because level 10 is the tipping point where you can't make silver fast enough to keep up. Unless you have over a billion silver, don't speed it up. You will probably need the gold to convert to silver. I disagree, but would like to hear your algorithm for converting Au->Ag. Thought experiment on spending 750 Au: Scenario A: shave a week off of upgrades (if carefully spent). That can take a Taran from level 9-12. Let's say that earns you 5K Ag more per match from improved damage/survivability. At 10 matches a day for 6 days, that's 300K Ag extra. Scenario B: buy/sell an Aphid and get 300K Ag. I'm mostly bull?poo-poo?ting these numbers -- in fact tweaked them to come out equal so they're easier to critique -- but they seem plausible to me. Given A vs. B, I'd rather start blasting people today than next week. In a rather egregious case: through some lucky spins during the event, I came out 15K Au ahead. (plus 3 lances, 4 rogs, a garry, a galahad, and tons more). I also had >200K Ag burning a hole in my pocket. So I went ahead and rushed a bunch of things to level 12 (ancile, orkan, 2 tarans, thunder, trident) plus boosted other things to play with. Probably 3-4 months saved. The game is rather different now, and I'm still climbing leagues, hoping to get to Master. I think the big thing to worry about is running out of silver. If I rushed things I could go through about a quarter of my silver in a day or two. (and be out of gold). If I had more gold I could be out of silver in no time flat. |
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Post by noobcake on May 23, 2017 0:26:12 GMT -5
Don't do it. The problem with speeding up your upgrades is that you run out of silver faster. You might be thinking "but I have over 150 million silver. Why should I care?" Because level 10 is the tipping point where you can't make silver fast enough to keep up. Unless you have over a billion silver, don't speed it up. You will probably need the gold to convert to silver. I disagree, but would like to hear your algorithm for converting Au->Ag. Thought experiment on spending 750 Au: Scenario A: shave a week off of upgrades (if carefully spent). That can take a Taran from level 9-12. Let's say that earns you 5K Ag more per match from improved damage/survivability. At 10 matches a day for 6 days, that's 300K Ag extra. Scenario B: buy/sell an Aphid and get 300K Ag. I'm mostly bull?poo-poo?ting these numbers -- in fact tweaked them to come out equal so they're easier to critique -- but they seem plausible to me. Given A vs. B, I'd rather start blasting people today than next week. In a rather egregious case: through some lucky spins during the event, I came out 15K Au ahead. (plus 3 lances, 4 rogs, a garry, a galahad, and tons more). I also had >200K Ag burning a hole in my pocket. So I went ahead and rushed a bunch of things to level 12 (ancile, orkan, 2 tarans, thunder, trident) plus boosted other things to play with. Probably 3-4 months saved. The game is rather different now, and I'm still climbing leagues, hoping to get to Master. You are thinking that a better weapon will net more damage and thus more silver. In the short run a better hangar will net more damage but it is the silver win bonus that will really boost silver generation. The problem is that this only lasts a few games before your win rate reverts to the mean. Also, average damage and win rate does not increase significantly from a single weapon level and is mostly offset by harder opponents. Now, with that out of the way, let's look at your thought experiment . Player A would need to start with 35 million silver and over 2100 Au in order to upgrad from 9-12. That should buy 3 aphids or 900k silver. If both players start with the same starting values, player B pulls ahead by a wide margin. |
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Post by moody on May 23, 2017 0:53:59 GMT -5
I disagree, but would like to hear your algorithm for converting Au->Ag. Thought experiment on spending 750 Au: Scenario A: shave a week off of upgrades (if carefully spent). That can take a Taran from level 9-12. Let's say that earns you 5K Ag more per match from improved damage/survivability. At 10 matches a day for 6 days, that's 300K Ag extra. Scenario B: buy/sell an Aphid and get 300K Ag. I'm mostly bull?poo-poo?ting these numbers -- in fact tweaked them to come out equal so they're easier to critique -- but they seem plausible to me. Given A vs. B, I'd rather start blasting people today than next week. In a rather egregious case: through some lucky spins during the event, I came out 15K Au ahead. (plus 3 lances, 4 rogs, a garry, a galahad, and tons more). I also had >200K Ag burning a hole in my pocket. So I went ahead and rushed a bunch of things to level 12 (ancile, orkan, 2 tarans, thunder, trident) plus boosted other things to play with. Probably 3-4 months saved. The game is rather different now, and I'm still climbing leagues, hoping to get to Master. You are thinking that a better weapon will net more damage and thus more silver. In the short run a better hangar will net more damage but it is the silver win bonus that will really boost silver generation. The problem is that this only lasts a few games before your win rate reverts to the mean. Also, average damage and win rate does not increase significantly from a single weapon level and is mostly offset by harder opponents. Now, with that out of the way, let's look at your thought experiment . Player A would need to start with 35 million silver and over 2100 Au in order to upgrad from 9-12. That should buy 3 aphids or 900k silver. If both players start with the same starting values, player B pulls ahead by a wide margin. Yep. Better weapons have not increased my silver intake by very much. It's there but it's not a major factor. |
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chimerith
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Post by chimerith on May 23, 2017 2:19:12 GMT -5
Now, with that out of the way, let's look at your thought experiment . Player A would need to start with 35 million silver and over 2100 Au in order to upgrad from 9-12. That should buy 3 aphids or 900k silver. If both players start with the same starting values, player B pulls ahead by a wide margin. Ah yes. I tweaked the numbers too much and got sloppy. Should have looked up the costs. Taran 12 takes 3d13h, so costs 630 Au to rush. That's almost 300K Ag there. Still doesn't seem like much, a couple games to make up the Ag vs. a week of dailies to earn the gold. Suppose it adds up after a while. Still, the 15K Au I spent would only net me 6M Ag. And otherwise 200M Ag would have taken me weeks to actually spend. So perhaps there's a one-time opportunity for players making the transition from Au-limited to Ag-limited game play. Holy crap, looking through the Wiki, I was just reminded that you can outright buy silver for gold starting at 250 Au -> 500K Ag ratio. I remember thinking that was the dumbest microtransaction when I started playing a few months ago. So the 2100 Au -> 4.2M Ag, which is much nicer. And my 15K Au -> 30M Ag, which is Taran 10->12. Still happy with my decision, but maybe I would have stopped a bit sooner. Or maybe not. I have little sense yet for how much Ag I can earn in a day, |
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Post by noobcake on May 23, 2017 2:50:52 GMT -5
My average damage is 531k in masters II. Unfortunately, the highest damage games are typically losses that don't benefit from the silver win bonus. I estimate a range of about 250 to 500k silver per game with premium. The average is probably about 350k silver per game or about 1m every 3 games. If an aphid costs 9 million silver to go from level 10 to 11 in 2 days and 2 hours, I would need to play 27 games in 2 days. That works out to 13.5 games per day and, if we assume 8 minute games, about 1 hour and 48 minutes per day--with premium purchased. I'm already struggling to pay for level 11 with the paid premium bonus and I can't even imagine how I'll get the silver for level 12.
Take my advice--save your silver. Especially if you can't or won't buy premium.
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Post by chimerith on May 23, 2017 2:59:49 GMT -5
You are thinking that a better weapon will net more damage and thus more silver. In the short run a better hangar will net more damage but it is the silver win bonus that will really boost silver generation. The problem is that this only lasts a few games before your win rate reverts to the mean. Also, average damage and win rate does not increase significantly from a single weapon level and is mostly offset by harder opponents. The win rate bonus is nice, but I'd already discounted that as being significant in this scenario. Only way you're going to take advantage of that involves some controversial strategies. So I went to look up actual formula for silver farming (er, grinding) and am not finding anything. Vauge references about it on the wiki. And the "Silver" page itself is just a search about what you an buy with silver. Aha! Finally found the right incantation. For those wondering, regression analyses have determined that it's deep voodoo. Now I'm curious to get my hands on enough data to give it a try, but if it really does rely heavily on bot/weapon levels in the skirmish, then could be too many variables to get it to converge. |
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