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Post by Dredd77 on Mar 25, 2017 19:43:49 GMT -5
Coming out of a recent conversation in a different thread, is there any evidence to support the assertion that one platform is "harder" than the other, in terms of leagues, etc?
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 25, 2017 19:49:30 GMT -5
"You know son, there's a war coming.."
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Post by iKyuubey on Mar 25, 2017 20:01:31 GMT -5
iOS and Android doesn't play in the same servers?
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Post by zer00eyz on Mar 25, 2017 20:19:10 GMT -5
I would guess just based on AGE of players that Android is more competitive, but that will narrow over time.
I would assume that android also has the larger player base (positioning in play store never mind iPhone vs android installs)
Really though when were talking about hangers if we DONT identify the platform, things will get confusing quickly, with android players seeding lower for the same hanger.
There are plenty of people who use both and should be able to chime in with more concrete data and experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 20:24:15 GMT -5
Android has the advantage because they can ise emulator which can drastically improve their performance by having more accurate shots and the ability to easily shoot a chosen number of weapons at once.
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Post by morel22 on Mar 25, 2017 20:28:19 GMT -5
Started playing the game with a friend about 3 weeks ago. He started 3 days before me on iOS and recommended the game for me.. Since then I got really hooked to it. Already invested 200€ in the game and bought a Lancelot, 4 orkans and opened the fifth slot.. Invested gold in buying some Wp and upgrade time as well. The latter move being a little short-sighted and intolerant on my behalf.
My friend invested nothing so far. He has a 3 slot hangar with one Leo, a Golem and the third spot another Leo or a Natasha I think (not sure about third slot but it is definitely something very standard)
He only has a Thunder up to level 8 other than that all at or below 6.. And he's already in gold 2 and advancing to gold 1..
Meanwhile I'm playing it like 10x more often than him and invested all of the above and struggling hard to reach gold.. Currently silver 1 and need 100 points for gold.. Went as far as 35 points short of gold..
I asked him to share the hangars of his teammates and opponents and there is a huge difference between his and mine..
Now it could be that I'm getting tougher competition because I upgraded very fast and playing with a considerably better hangar than his. However the new MM is more performance rating reliant, otherwise I wouldn't be getting hangars that much stronger than mine. And he's been getting hangars always same level as his.. Only now it's starting to get tough for him..
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Post by AnimalsCS on Mar 25, 2017 20:35:08 GMT -5
Theoretically if there is not a significant difference in the amount of outside money spent on the game between platforms there should be the same difficulty level on both. Besides emulators possibly being better than mobile controls people should face others with similar combinations of skill and hangar levels and therefore face similar difficulty. Since there are more people on Android platforms that means that the same level bots will be in a different league (silver vs gold, etc.) but the difficulty should be the same. However given MM faults, emulators, possible difference in tendency to spend money, etc. it is entirely possible that there is a difficulty gap.
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Post by morel22 on Mar 25, 2017 20:37:19 GMT -5
And of you think a about it, it makes complete sense.
Worldwide iOS has around 15% market share (Google it).. The rest almost all Android.. Even if iOS had one year in advance over Android with War Robots, there is a huge gap in target audience.. After one year in Android, the game user base should reflect the actual market share.. That is there are 5.5 more players in Android than on iOS. This could easily result in such gap between the respective leagues.
Now in the US the gap is not as big between the two platforms. So it is harder for you to mark this difference. But worldwide it is so..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 20:43:15 GMT -5
I play both everyday. iOS seems like it is easier matches. But I'm further along on my Android (lvl 29 on android, lvl 24 iOS). So I'm not certain if that is the true reason.
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Post by morel22 on Mar 25, 2017 20:43:49 GMT -5
Android has the advantage because they can ise emulator which can drastically improve their performance by having more accurate shots and the ability to easily shoot a chosen number of weapons at once. More often than not I miss a significant chunk of my Ork or Tukimbas because I cant hold the pointer steady fixed at the center of the target. With mouse this could be eliminated. But on emulators one experience more lags, and lags are worse than accuracy problems.. Choosing weapons is a big advantage though.. I haven't yet been able to hit the right weapon all the time.. My finger hit the red button by mistake or doesn't hit any button at all. And it is impossible to hit the the bottom two weapons together. Even the upper two are very difficult to hit together. One has with touch to activate them in succession.
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Post by [NovR] Blase2k on Mar 25, 2017 21:02:44 GMT -5
Some thoughts from an Android and Windows only guy. * Play store - 10 million downloads, 1.5 million have rated it (4.6 stars) How does IOS compare? * Equivalent hangers appear to be placed about 2 or 3 leagues higher on IOS.
(flamesuit on) So, from the guy who admittedly can't stand nanny Apple, Android is tougher as it takes a higher hanger to be in the same league as IOS. We're tougher!!! (flames suit off)
Or more likely, if IOS has a different player base quantity or hanger level distribution among players the league levels don't match.
As a one platform only player I concede my knowledge consists of maybe almost half of what is wanted here....
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 25, 2017 21:11:11 GMT -5
I see quite alot of Diamond+ players posting stuff here about their hangar being 9/9 on iOS, wich is almost impossible reaching D+ on Android without alot of persistance or squad play, so.... Android is harder IMO.
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Post by snk on Mar 25, 2017 21:20:42 GMT -5
They are all the same, you will be matched against around your combat stats (include skill) opponent. Skilled 4 slot 8/8 will play against avg skilled 5 slot 10/10, or vice versa. If you mean how hard getting into champions league? May be Android as others mentioned.
some games, iOS and android can play together in a server, why not War Robots?
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Post by Deadalready on Mar 25, 2017 21:23:58 GMT -5
There's more people on the android servers, furthermore there's more variety of devices in use when it come to android.
From my point of view it's harder to climb the ladder as there's more opponents. Different (vastly) devices means there could possibly be physical advantage? Based on the point of views about iOS vs android leagues the weapons you face lower on the android leagues very different.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 25, 2017 21:32:05 GMT -5
They are all the same, you will be matched against around your combat stats (include skill) opponent. Skilled 4 slot 8/8 will play against avg skilled 5 slot 10/10, or vice versa. If you mean how hard getting into champions league? May be Android as others mentioned. some games, iOS and android can play together in a server, why not War Robots? I'm afraid to say that this is far from being true. You get matched against players around your league points, if the MM fails to find a match quick enough, he will put you against OR with people leagues above or bellow you.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 25, 2017 22:22:28 GMT -5
Neither is "harder". There is just a difference in the avg. hangar strength you will face in a particular league depending on the platform.
It's pointless to compare the two.
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Post by anjian on Mar 25, 2017 22:33:31 GMT -5
Android has the advantage because they can ise emulator which can drastically improve their performance by having more accurate shots and the ability to easily shoot a chosen number of weapons at once. I use a touchscreen Chromebook that supports Google Play. Plays War Robots nicely on a large 12 to 13" screens and using an Intel processor to boot.
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Post by mechtout on Mar 25, 2017 22:44:44 GMT -5
Im 9/9 expert on ios, and 7/7 silver on android. So thinking android has more players or some factor to push players down, but i play ios more too
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Post by snk on Mar 25, 2017 22:56:54 GMT -5
They are all the same, you will be matched against around your combat stats (include skill) opponent. Skilled 4 slot 8/8 will play against avg skilled 5 slot 10/10, or vice versa. If you mean how hard getting into champions league? May be Android as others mentioned. some games, iOS and android can play together in a server, why not War Robots? I'm afraid to say that this is far from being true. You get matched against players around your league points, if the MM fails to find a match quick enough, he will put you against OR with people leagues above or bellow you. I agree with you that Diamond will sometimes match against Expert of Master, but this applies to both iOS and Android.
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Post by DIeGo100% on Mar 25, 2017 23:07:06 GMT -5
Coming out of a recent conversation in a different thread, is there any evidence to support the assertion that one platform is "harder" than the other, in terms of leagues, etc? By experiece playing on both platforms Android is always harder i dont know why, but battles are always more competitive . i think is because of amount of players
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 25, 2017 23:08:04 GMT -5
I'm afraid to say that this is far from being true. You get matched against players around your league points, if the MM fails to find a match quick enough, he will put you against OR with people leagues above or bellow you. I agree with you that Diamond will sometimes match against Expert of Master, but this applies to both iOS and Android. Yes, the MM follows the same system for both platforms, but as for level requisites, they are different.
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 25, 2017 23:43:02 GMT -5
I see quite alot of Diamond+ players posting stuff here about their hangar being 9/9 on iOS, wich is almost impossible reaching D+ on Android without alot of persistance or squad play, so.... Android is harder IMO. I play with 9/9 in Expert 2 but there are very few players with the same levels. Most are level 11 here, followed by 12 and 10. That said, android should be harder because they have more players.
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Post by morel22 on Mar 25, 2017 23:45:08 GMT -5
Some thoughts from an Android and Windows only guy. * Play store - 10 million downloads, 1.5 million have rated it (4.6 stars) How does IOS compare? 10 million badge on Play Store means any number from 10 millions to 50 millions.. It's a milestone rating for apps not an exact counter. On iTunes there is no such counter at all. So only Pix know how many apps are installed on both platform. All we know that at the end of 2016 they reached 30 million downloads overall.. By user ratings though, Android got 1.5 millions while iOS only got 88 thousands.. That's a huge difference but not a good reference for actual install rates at all..
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Post by cakeordeath on Mar 25, 2017 23:45:50 GMT -5
I don't play on iOS so take my opinion with a suitable dash of salt. I've seen nothing that leads me to believe playing the game is inherently harder on either platform. I have seen lots of evidence that the league seeding/sorting is drastically different and Android hangers tend to be much higher leveled in lower tiers but honestly everyone is in the same boat on each platform.
Just because a 9/9 hangar tends to sort as Diamond rather than Silver 1/Gold 3 doesn't mean it gets harder or easier matches. After all, all the rival players got sorted the same way so an average foe should be comparable in strength.
The easier access to higher leagues in iOS should eventually lead to gold being a little easier to come by (from league rewards) and thus an increase in gold currency gear in lower level hangars but again, everyone gets it so it's a level playing field.
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Mar 25, 2017 23:56:00 GMT -5
My android is dormant, so my opinion below would be perceived.
As some as mentioned above, Android has wider market, hence more players, therefore more competition, meaning harder.
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Post by morel22 on Mar 26, 2017 0:02:28 GMT -5
They are all the same, you will be matched against around your combat stats (include skill) opponent. Skilled 4 slot 8/8 will play against avg skilled 5 slot 10/10, or vice versa. If you mean how hard getting into champions league? May be Android as others mentioned. some games, iOS and android can play together in a server, why not War Robots? This is not true. Can't be true actually in case there is indeed significant difference in amount of active user between the two platforms. The competitiveness should be the same or very similar at least. As there is no reason why iOS or Andrpid players be more skilled than the other.. However, let's say you've got a 3 slot 6/6 hangar on both platforms, if there are let's say double as many players on Android than on iOS, then higher level players will have to spread over more leagues than on iOS, pushing you, the lower level player, down the league ratings. For example Android contains 1000 12/12 hangars. All these guys can't fit in one league, due to time played and skill difference. So these will spread over 4 leagues with an average of 250 each. 500 12/12 on iOS will have to spread then over 2 leagues. The reason for this is that on Android there is so more chance to find enough online players near your level. So let's say you're in gold 2, then its more probable to play against gold than on iOS. Same player on iOS will habe more weaker hangars than that on Android in order to fill the 12 slots. So he will advance more quickly and higher as there is more room to climb until reaching the climax for a certain hangar. Other than that, I have evidence myself. Not until I bought a Lancelot, Orkans, 5th slot and upgraded my weapons till I managed to climb from bronze 2 to Silver 1.. I invested real money for it. If it's based purely on skill I would have stayed in bronze.
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Post by morel22 on Mar 26, 2017 0:22:58 GMT -5
Just because a 9/9 hangar tends to sort as Diamond rather than Silver 1/Gold 3 doesn't mean it gets harder or easier matches. After all, all the rival players got sorted the same way so an average foe should be comparable in strength. The point of comparison comes in action when you reach your max. That is reach a league where players considerably outgun you so that no matter how skillful you are it becomes impossible to keep winning by yourself. This happens on Android sooner than on iOS.
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Post by morel22 on Mar 26, 2017 0:30:17 GMT -5
Then there is a completely different factor that comes in play which is mostly overseen.
Not all players invest similar times in the game. Some will play much more or less than others. To reach your max stage you need to play enough time and collect enough points to arrive there. If you play less on average than the majority it will take you more time to reach your fitting league.
On the way you will be matched with weaker opponents. Those weaker opponents will be delayed in their climb by this. Since Android has more players than iOS, probability of getting strong and not so active hangars is higher.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 26, 2017 0:33:02 GMT -5
Just because a 9/9 hangar tends to sort as Diamond rather than Silver 1/Gold 3 doesn't mean it gets harder or easier matches. After all, all the rival players got sorted the same way so an average foe should be comparable in strength. The point of comparison comes in action when you reach your max. That is reach a league where players considerably outgun you so that no matter how skillful you are it becomes impossible to keep winning by yourself. This happens on Android sooner than on iOS. Exactly. Playing as a 9/9 and being outleveled every match means that you have to play your best every game, and when you start facing people with higher levels AND same or higher skill, you cant climb anymore.
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Post by snk on Mar 26, 2017 0:54:44 GMT -5
The system will find a match for all players, and this should depend your league point. When your rating above your gears and skill you will find stronger opponents, when your rating is below your gears and skill, you will match with weaker opponents (that why some people tanking). This applies to both iOS and android. For example: if you are in android silver 2, you will be matched with brown, silver, gold player. If you are in iOS gold 2, you will be matched with silver, gold, diamond player.
Anyone know, why iOS and Android need two different server? Most game can join and play together.
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