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Post by spawnreaper on Mar 26, 2017 1:10:25 GMT -5
From what I saw in top 100 clan lvls I'd have to say android.
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Post by cakeordeath on Mar 26, 2017 1:47:03 GMT -5
Just because a 9/9 hangar tends to sort as Diamond rather than Silver 1/Gold 3 doesn't mean it gets harder or easier matches. After all, all the rival players got sorted the same way so an average foe should be comparable in strength. The point of comparison comes in action when you reach your max. That is reach a league where players considerably outgun you so that no matter how skillful you are it becomes impossible to keep winning by yourself. This happens on Android sooner than on iOS. It does indeed happen sooner on Android than iOS. My point was simply that it happens to everyone on the same platform in the same way. The experience is different in terms of league placement but we're still getting matched up with roughly similar foes so the game itself is no harder or easier. League progression is absolutely harder on Android. Gameplay in matches seems pretty similar given comparable hangars and skills.
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Post by zeus on Mar 26, 2017 3:29:29 GMT -5
Is Android tougher to advance than ios? Yes. They maintain a larger pool of players which should also indicate a larger presence of higher leveled players nested in that pool. Currently, I'm almost 9/9 in iOS D1 advancing E3, my 9/9 android peers are likely in gold advancing low diamond.. Should we find ourselves switched, I would likely be in gold and my counterparts in diamond. That's about the extent of it for the average player. It shows the horizons and ceiling of our current skill set and hangar levels. Is this tough advancement due to better players? It is more likely due to the saturated top level hangars.
Are android players better than iOS players? Possibly. One thing for sure, their top players are facing a wider cadre of maxed players. Rather than using better as the sole adjective, experienced may be a more proper one to the mix. With more brains engaged in the art of robotic warfare, there are bound to be more players who can surpass and pass on their abilities and tactics to their peers. The Chinese has a saying, the times makes heroes, often referring to how chaotic and non peaceful regimes tend to lead to people of upstanding skill sets or talents to reveal themselves or perhaps improve themselves in such circumstances till they are worthy to make a difference.
So I will posit that the average Android player may be better and more experienced than the average iOS player, but as we know, averages are merely a statistical constant of many. The individual is as always a possible variant of such constants. League wise, it is harder for an android player to advance at the same levels as his iOS peers, but I very much sincerely doubt that android players have harder games considering that iOS players may face a larger spectrum of banding due to a smaller pool of players. If anything, 9/9 android might get to play more even games against other 9/9 peers of even damage levels. Do 9/9 Android players consistently face 10/11/12 players as iOS 9/9s tend to do? I find myself playing them quite a bit even if our damage averages are at least 100k apart. Even the odd 12/12 isn't uncommon, possibly due to tanking though.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Mar 26, 2017 6:11:57 GMT -5
Dredd77, Coming from the thread that inspired this thread... The question posed in the thread title is too subjective and not really relevant to what we were discussing. It's not a matter of which os is "tougher". The question is about the discrepancies regarding league placement on the respective platforms. In Android world, I run a 9/9 hangar in Gold 2. I can speak from experience that my gear is par for the course in Android Gold. Gold 1 is mostly 10/10 hangers and above. In the other thread, you mentioned that your 6-year-old was playing in Gold, and that was enough for me to deduce (accurately, I might add...) that he was playing on iOS. I'm not trying to insult his abilities, but only a super talented, tactically brilliant 6-year-old would be able to hold his own against the competition I see every day in Android Gold. We can only speculate about why this discrepancy exists. A significantly larger player base is the most sound theory I can come up with. Regardless, it DOES exist, and that was the point that's been brought up repeatedly by Android players. A squad match-up between Android Gold and iOS Gold players would be an all-out slaughter by the Android team.
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Post by cakeordeath on Mar 26, 2017 6:54:41 GMT -5
Do 9/9 Android players consistently face 10/11/12 players as iOS 9/9s tend to do? I find myself playing them quite a bit even if our damage averages are at least 100k apart. Even the odd 12/12 isn't uncommon, possibly due to tanking though. Yes, they do regularly see 10+ players, in 4 slot hangars in their own league if they happen to have 5 slots and in a slightly higher tier that they frequently get matched with. Full 12/12 is fairly uncommon (usually a diamond player) but mixed 10-12, sure. 9/9 is about Silver 1 if 4 slot or Gold 2/3 if 5 slot, typically. 4 slot Gold hangars are mostly 10+ and Gold 1 is typically 10+ 5-slot. Matches ideally have players within a specific league +/- 1 (e.g. all Silver or Silver 1+Gold 2/3). Seeing a player two leagues over or under the average is not uncommon. Three leagues over or under the average is unusual (e.g. a Bronze 2 or Gold 2 in a Silver 2 average game) but not unheard of. I've been matched against everything from Diamond 1 (full 12/12 meta build hangar) to a 6/5 Ag bot Private league player while in Gold 3. Admittedly those were dramatic outliers. Silver 3 to Diamond 3 have been the usual extremes, with Silver 2 to Gold 1 being typical.
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 26, 2017 7:07:19 GMT -5
Is Android tougher to advance than ios? Yes. They maintain a larger pool of players which should also indicate a larger presence of higher leveled players nested in that pool. Currently, I'm almost 9/9 in iOS D1 advancing E3, my 9/9 android peers are likely in gold advancing low diamond.. Should we find ourselves switched, I would likely be in gold and my counterparts in diamond. That's about the extent of it for the average player. It shows the horizons and ceiling of our current skill set and hangar levels. Is this tough advancement due to better players? It is more likely due to the saturated top level hangars. Are android players better than iOS players? Possibly. One thing for sure, their top players are facing a wider cadre of maxed players. Rather than using better as the sole adjective, experienced may be a more proper one to the mix. With more brains engaged in the art of robotic warfare, there are bound to be more players who can surpass and pass on their abilities and tactics to their peers. The Chinese has a saying, the times makes heroes, often referring to how chaotic and non peaceful regimes tend to lead to people of upstanding skill sets or talents to reveal themselves or perhaps improve themselves in such circumstances till they are worthy to make a difference. So I will posit that the average Android player may be better and more experienced than the average iOS player, but as we know, averages are merely a statistical constant of many. The individual is as always a possible variant of such constants. League wise, it is harder for an android player to advance at the same levels as his iOS peers, but I very much sincerely doubt that android players have harder games considering that iOS players may face a larger spectrum of banding due to a smaller pool of players. If anything, 9/9 android might get to play more even games against other 9/9 peers of even damage levels. Do 9/9 Android players consistently face 10/11/12 players as iOS 9/9s tend to do? I find myself playing them quite a bit even if our damage averages are at least 100k apart. Even the odd 12/12 isn't uncommon, possibly due to tanking though. Unless somehow the top players in iOS often go in a sabbatical, or the matchmaker keep feeding them low level players, our top players should be equal to Android top players in skill. Many of them have been playing for a long time and against each other, top clan versus top clan. The difference is the number of top players in Android outnumbers iOS. If the top 100 in Android played total of 100k games against a pool of 500k skilled players and the iOS top 100 players played 100k games in a pool of 250k skilled players, they still played the same amount of high quality games. JMO It's different in the lower tiers. Their Gold players will crush our Gold Players, but that's because their Gold is more on par to our Diamond. Our Gold is probably Bronze to them. It's true that we rank up faster than they can because they have a larger pool of players to get through. The grueling climb will gain them lots of experience, BUT it also mean that we'll have more time playing in top tier because we'll get there first, gaining lots of experience there.
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b4you
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Post by b4you on Mar 26, 2017 11:43:58 GMT -5
iOS player. What I suspect.
The iOS smaller player base means you are more likely to play matches that are +/-4, 5, 6. So if you are iOS D2, it's much more likely to see M2 and S2 than on Android. I suspect there is more tanking on Android due to matches generally being equal, whereas on iOS the large range means sometimes you out gear the reds and sometimes under gear.
With the old League scoring system, the better players (at least the players who understood damage is king) could climb quickly. iOS had it easier because of the smaller player base and larger range. On the flip side, iOS players with mid tier gear could easily climb to a spot where they regularly saw uneven matches. Ex. My 6/8 hanger in D1 regularly facing an average of 10/10.
iOS D3-1 is 8/8-10/10 whereas it sounds like Android S3-D1 is 8/8-10/10. The new scoring system pretty much locks players into place with MM trying to create 50% win rates. I suspect most people won't climb more than 1-2 rungs (S3 to S1). Your 5 seed matches will really matter.
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Post by sonofsam on Mar 26, 2017 11:48:29 GMT -5
From the numbers I've seen posted around this forum (I haven't checked any out myself) Android seems to have somewhere between double and triple the players iOS has. I'm sure that both platforms have roughly the same percentage of tankers (xx% of people are going to tank/ditch regardless of platform).
This means that Android has 2-3x the number of tankers playing silver and down. I believe this makes starting out on Android much harder and is the reason that it takes a more advanced hanger to reach gold+. It's not that the game itself is harder in any way it's that a 7/7 hanger playing in silver 2 is much more likely to run into someone tanking a 10/10 hanger forcing the 7/7 guy down. This puts more people upgrading to 8/8 8/9 trying to overcome the tankers in silver who in turn beat down other hangers, that would move up on ios, back into silver again.
I run with clan members slot on Android and play in gold 2+. When I'm there I don't face much higher levels than I do while solo in silver 2-3. They are more consistently 8/9-10/10 and almost everybody has a hanger with 3+ bots at this level but usually not higher. I see the same levels in silver but usually only about 20-25% of silver players are that high.
So to summarize I think starting out on Android is tougher but after a certain point both systems are pretty much the same.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 26, 2017 13:53:58 GMT -5
I can't say for sure, but after watching a LOT Of ios video play, I sure wish there were more people on android playing the way they do on ios. It'd sure make me look a WHOLE lot better than I do sometimes.
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Post by snk on Mar 26, 2017 23:20:01 GMT -5
From the numbers I've seen posted around this forum (I haven't checked any out myself) Android seems to have somewhere between double and triple the players iOS has. I'm sure that both platforms have roughly the same percentage of tankers (xx% of people are going to tank/ditch regardless of platform). This means that Android has 2-3x the number of tankers playing silver and down. I believe this makes starting out on Android much harder and is the reason that it takes a more advanced hanger to reach gold+. It's not that the game itself is harder in any way it's that a 7/7 hanger playing in silver 2 is much more likely to run into someone tanking a 10/10 hanger forcing the 7/7 guy down. This puts more people upgrading to 8/8 8/9 trying to overcome the tankers in silver who in turn beat down other hangers, that would move up on ios, back into silver again. I run with clan members slot on Android and play in gold 2+. When I'm there I don't face much higher levels than I do while solo in silver 2-3. They are more consistently 8/9-10/10 and almost everybody has a hanger with 3+ bots at this level but usually not higher. I see the same levels in silver but usually only about 20-25% of silver players are that high. So to summarize I think starting out on Android is tougher but after a certain point both systems are pretty much the same. If Android has same % of tanker as iOS. You has the same % matched with tanker like everyone in iOS. I am sure no matter which league you are in, you will be matched with the same system as iOS. If you are talking about going from silver to Diamond, you are right, Android should be more harder to join higher league.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 26, 2017 23:43:51 GMT -5
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