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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 5:29:00 GMT -5
Good morning, dear warriors. I want to replace my Haechi with something else, because it's useless for me. I was running it with 3x Orkan/3x Taran.
- its unacceptably slow - it takes years to walk around walls because it cannot jump - every jumper wins because of hiding behind walls and killing me from the air - no chance to move from one hidden place to the other in open area - absolutely useless for beacons - energy shield doesn't help since most of enemies use laser weapons - Orkan/Taran are useless now because of ridiculous 300m/350m
I hate Haechi every time I need to spawn it after all other bots are dead. It must end today and now.
Replacing options:
- Pursuer (3x Halo) - Spectre (4x Scourge) - Falcon (3x Ember)
Money is not a problem. Any advice?
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 5:39:56 GMT -5
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Post by TheSureShot on Jan 14, 2019 5:53:25 GMT -5
I have both but I’d have to say I do better with the Pursuer even though it is less useful with the Quantum Radar available. The Falcon is a beast and currently is probably more popular in today’s meta (maybe). I think you would most likely be happy with either but YMMV.
I know this is not one of the choices but the Greek bots seem pretty popular right now. Also there are the new Chinese bots becoming available soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 6:00:14 GMT -5
I have both but I’d have to say I do better with the Pursuer even though it is less useful with the Quantum Radar available. The Falcon is a beast and currently is probably more popular in today’s meta (maybe). I think you would most likely be happy with either but YMMV. I know this is not one of the choices but the Greek bots seem pretty popular right now. Also there are the new Chinese bots becoming available soon. Thank you. I already got Ares, but the other two greek bots are too slow for me. Do you know when the chinese dragon bots will be available?
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Post by TooSchoolForCool on Jan 14, 2019 6:07:59 GMT -5
Good morning, dear warriors. I want to replace my Haechi with something else, because it's useless for me. I was running it with 3x Orkan/3x Taran. - its unacceptably slow - it takes years to walk around walls because it cannot jump - every jumper wins because of hiding behind walls and killing me from the air - no chance to move from one hidden place to the other in open area - absolutely useless for beacons - energy shield doesn't help since most of enemies use laser weapons - Orkan/Taran are useless now because of ridiculous 300m/350m I hate Haechi every time I need to spawn it after all other bots are dead. It must end today and now.
Replacing options: - Pursuer (3x Halo) - Spectre (4x Scourge) - Falcon (3x Ember) Money is not a problem. Any advice? Thank you. falcon, but the money is no problem is what got us here in the beginning. It used to not matter what bot you got because all were equal in one way or another. Sure mag gepard ruled the roost once, but it was never a problem against a boa. I am running a Leo, I went from haechi and worked backwards. I have the weapon levels to sustain it (getting close to 12 avg) To answer your question, falcon. It has the highest usable health pool. If money is no problem then you can mark 2 it and make real use of it. Avenger/orkans, or whatever the heavy variant of orkans are is the best use of this bot, I didn’t consult stats this time but I know from experience that will be your longest lasting and most useful bot among the three as well as the most useful setup. I’m currently getting my third ember for falcon which is another highly deadly setup as long as the red doesn’t realize you’re shooting at them for about four seconds. It will just melt them and has good DPS But then again I’m still not running it until they allow me change position of module button and vicariously all buttons. Matchmaker makes 50/50 win/lose battles for solo so unless you’re squadding it doesn’t matter one bit what you run. Leagues are merely aesthetic as I’m in border of master/champ with all old school bots and been here since modules began. Of note, Bulgasari tarans is very viable, you just have to be very careful about letting map cover absorb the damage your shield should. Basically avoid damage wherever possible. But then again same for haechi. Haechi still works just fine, I mean I seriously use a boa in place of a haechi o once had at 4990 or master 1 border with champ. So if I can make a boa work, you can make a haechi work better than you are now. Always have a dash available, know what’s around that corner before walking into it, etc. That’s just my thoughts, the ravings of a crazy genius.
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Post by Estoplast on Jan 14, 2019 7:41:38 GMT -5
Haechi works just fine for me. Currently at ~7k cups.
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Post by White1Golf on Jan 14, 2019 7:53:05 GMT -5
Haechi works just fine for me. Currently at ~7k cups. Can confirm, Haechi working great in my ~850k avg./~7k cups hangar as well.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 14, 2019 8:01:21 GMT -5
I have all three. My Falcon is Avenger/Exodus at L9 and it's a lot of fun. My Spectre is L9 with L10 Orkans. My Pursuer is L9 with L9 Sparks. If you could only get one bot, honestly, I'd say go for Mercury with Avenger/Gust or Halo. This is hands down my most dangerous bot in all 3 of my hangars.
Haechi, while still good if played right, is really hard to use now. I shelved both of mine ages ago.
Or just come over to Mech Battle and have some fun!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 8:12:55 GMT -5
I have all three. My Falcon is Avenger/Exodus at L9 and it's a lot of fun. My Spectre is L9 with L10 Orkans. My Pursuer is L9 with L9 Sparks. If you could only get one bot, honestly, I'd say go for Mercury with Avenger/Gust or Halo. This is hands down my most dangerous bot in all 3 of my hangars. Haechi, while still good if played right, is really hard to use now. I shelved both of mine ages ago. Or just come over to Mech Battle and have some fun! Got Mercury (Ember/Halos), got Ares (Coronas/Halos), got Strider (Glory, Halos), got Rayker (Viper, Stings)... Need a jumper, runner or flying dragon bot
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 14, 2019 8:20:55 GMT -5
Hmm, why do you need a jumping bot? The Strider is so fast that it can get up ramps faster than a jumping bot and it won't be as exposed. You really need to be careful of jumping bots cause they will melt fast if you're not careful.
I'm hesitant to recommend the Falcon because I remember now that you think the Ares is weak. Maybe get a Bulwark?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 10:41:16 GMT -5
Hmm, why do you need a jumping bot? The Strider is so fast that it can get up ramps faster than a jumping bot and it won't be as exposed. You really need to be careful of jumping bots cause they will melt fast if you're not careful. I'm hesitant to recommend the Falcon because I remember now that you think the Ares is weak. Maybe get a Bulwark? I wish those flying dragons would come soon from China. Flying Haechi with built in Ember. Take my $$$
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Post by PixelPower6 on Jan 14, 2019 10:46:54 GMT -5
Shutze
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Post by bronzeknee on Jan 14, 2019 10:59:17 GMT -5
It must end today and now.
Money is not a problem. Instant gratification? The Haechi is an excellent robot, you're not playing it correctly.
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Post by PixelPower6 on Jan 14, 2019 11:56:26 GMT -5
It must end today and now.
Money is not a problem. Instant gratification? The Haechi is an excellent robot, you're not playing it correctly. Yes, thank you good sir.
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Post by go red on Jan 14, 2019 12:12:44 GMT -5
- Orkan/Taran are useless now because of ridiculous 300m/350m I don't have any bot on your list, but I do have a Haechi in my alt account, and I think in your case you may try Scourge Haechi?
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Post by TheSureShot on Jan 14, 2019 16:59:29 GMT -5
I have both but I’d have to say I do better with the Pursuer even though it is less useful with the Quantum Radar available. The Falcon is a beast and currently is probably more popular in today’s meta (maybe). I think you would most likely be happy with either but YMMV. I know this is not one of the choices but the Greek bots seem pretty popular right now. Also there are the new Chinese bots becoming available soon. Thank you. I already got Ares, but the other two greek bots are too slow for me. Do you know when the chinese dragon bots will be available? No one that I know of really knows when the next update with the new dragon bots will be out but being that they have been running them in the test server lately means to me that they are right around the corner.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jan 14, 2019 19:42:22 GMT -5
Why isn't Destrier in the poll?!!?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 1:55:56 GMT -5
It must end today and now.
Money is not a problem. Instant gratification? The Haechi is an excellent robot, you're not playing it correctly. Doesnt matter what reason. Maybe im not playing it correctly. Either way need to replace it.
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Post by >bobby_digital< on Jan 15, 2019 4:54:13 GMT -5
You want a swift bot? Hellburner. Fastest bot on the block.
You want a swift bot with a jump? Hover. Very few people play hover well. It’s fast on the ground and if fast in the air if you can learn to fly it well and it’s tanky to boot.
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Post by kukurukukuk on Jan 15, 2019 5:52:32 GMT -5
@summoning I know what you're talking about. For a long time the Haechi felt like the weakest bot in my hangar. Now I know that it clearly wasn't so.
What I really needed was some variety after running it for 10 months. Any bot could work, but keep in mind that every bot that you haven't tried already will take some practice to make the most of it.
If you post a hangar pic the advice that you'll get will be better, but I get the feeling that you're lacking in speed.
My thoughts:
The Strider and Pursuer are excellent at flanking and capping unattended beacons. The Spectre and Mercury are tried and tested shock bots. The Falcon is great at pushing and holding beacons or contested areas.
IMO you can't go wrong with any of them, provided you take the time to learn their strengths and limits.
After that, try the Haechi again and you'll be surprised at how good it actually is. It can do a bit of everything and be great - it just does not excel in any area in particular.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 7:00:29 GMT -5
kukurukukuk thanks for your answer. Here is my Hangar.
Haechi is the only bot I simply hate. Its terribly slow, its absolutely useless, its energy shield is a joke. It cannot run, cannot jump, its dashes are reloading insanely long. I'll replace it with Pursuer and will get rid of those useless Orkans.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 15, 2019 11:14:21 GMT -5
I think we would take you more seriously if you didn't try to circumvent the language filters.
Even though I don't use Haechis anymore myself, I still think the bot is pretty powerful. If anything, it's finally where it should be in terms of balance, which just goes to show how unbalanced it really was when it first came out.
If I cared enough about the game and saved up another 7500 gold, I could see myself running a dash only hangar, just for old times sake. Or, I might take a couple of my stealth bots out of my brawling hangar and take a trip down memory lane. I still remember when I won the Bulgasari when it first came out. My post is buried here on this forum somewhere. There was a definite rush on being one of the first to run a new bot.
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Post by snk on Jan 15, 2019 11:58:24 GMT -5
out of 3 bots i will probably pick Falcon with Avenger and Exodus. I still use Heachi, it isn't the best but still ok, just need to use the Dash at the right time.
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Post by TooSchoolForCool on Jan 15, 2019 16:35:18 GMT -5
kukurukukuk thanks for your answer. Here is my Hangar.
Haechi is the only bot I simply hate. Its terribly slow, its absolutely useless, its energy shield is a joke. It cannot run, cannot jump, its dashes are reloading insanely long. I'll replace it with Pursuer and will get rid of those useless Orkans. I would toss rayker like a bad habit. Needs 7kmh faster and 50 k more health. Either invader or falcon for that slot. You also need a second hanger for ranged bots. Trust me, you’ll appreciate the convenience. My second hanger was the best thing I ever purchased. Third and fourth hangers are just for keeping track of the other setups I have.
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Post by Rogue Meatpipe on Jan 15, 2019 16:42:30 GMT -5
I've relegated my Haechi to mobile artillery support, shielding for teammates, and hold positions. Your assessment of the bot holds true against current meta, but its mine, I paid for it, and I'll get every last kill possible until I resign at Champions League 10/10 meta. War Robots product requires designed obsolescence to keep it interesting... that's the paradox. Once I hit Champions League, it's not worth chasing meta unless Pix offers 1:1 exchange value deals... I forgot to mention I built a hangar for all maps which requires subordination roles to compensate. It works for me. If you got cash to splash for multiple hangars and you don't mind the fact that if Pix goes bankrupt without notice, then it's all good. Toss that puppy for a Mercury.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 15, 2019 17:14:34 GMT -5
I switched the role on Haechi after its last nerf, put some medium range weapons on it. It's still one of best bots by my thoughts, just not a brawler anymore.
To answer your question OP, i'd recommend Mercury before any of the bots in poll.
Edit: missed your hangar pic, and the fact you already have it, sorry,
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Post by bronzeknee on Jan 15, 2019 17:16:33 GMT -5
Instant gratification? The Haechi is an excellent robot, you're not playing it correctly. Doesnt matter what reason. Maybe im not playing it correctly. Either way need to replace it. It does matter the reason. You made it this way when you came up with a big list of reasons why the Haechi is weak, and the thread title lists it as useless. If we can show those aren't true, then it'd be smart to reconsider. Now, if you made a thread stating you were bored of the Haechi or it didn't fit your playstyle and you want a different robot, that's different. And that seems to the direction this is going, which is okay. So I think you should do a Scourge Spectre given the choices because you consider the Haechi slow. But if you're going to spend money, wait a bit and get the Ao Jun, it is very powerful and extremely fast in flight.
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Post by T34 on Jan 15, 2019 17:24:11 GMT -5
Good morning, dear warriors. I want to replace my Haechi with something else, because it's useless for me. I was running it with 3x Orkan/3x Taran. - its unacceptably slow - it takes years to walk around walls because it cannot jump - every jumper wins because of hiding behind walls and killing me from the air - no chance to move from one hidden place to the other in open area - absolutely useless for beacons - energy shield doesn't help since most of enemies use laser weapons - Orkan/Taran are useless now because of ridiculous 300m/350m I hate Haechi every time I need to spawn it after all other bots are dead. It must end today and now.
Replacing options: - Pursuer (3x Halo) - Spectre (4x Scourge) - Falcon (3x Ember) Money is not a problem. Any advice? Thank you. falcon, but the money is no problem is what got us here in the beginning. It used to not matter what bot you got because all were equal in one way or another. Sure mag gepard ruled the roost once, but it was never a problem against a boa. I am running a Leo, I went from haechi and worked backwards. I have the weapon levels to sustain it (getting close to 12 avg) To answer your question, falcon. It has the highest usable health pool. If money is no problem then you can mark 2 it and make real use of it. Avenger/orkans, or whatever the heavy variant of orkans are is the best use of this bot, I didn’t consult stats this time but I know from experience that will be your longest lasting and most useful bot among the three as well as the most useful setup. I’m currently getting my third ember for falcon which is another highly deadly setup as long as the red doesn’t realize you’re shooting at them for about four seconds. It will just melt them and has good DPS But then again I’m still not running it until they allow me change position of module button and vicariously all buttons. Matchmaker makes 50/50 win/lose battles for solo so unless you’re squadding it doesn’t matter one bit what you run. Leagues are merely aesthetic as I’m in border of master/champ with all old school bots and been here since modules began. Of note, Bulgasari tarans is very viable, you just have to be very careful about letting map cover absorb the damage your shield should. Basically avoid damage wherever possible. But then again same for haechi. Haechi still works just fine, I mean I seriously use a boa in place of a haechi o once had at 4990 or master 1 border with champ. So if I can make a boa work, you can make a haechi work better than you are now. Always have a dash available, know what’s around that corner before walking into it, etc. That’s just my thoughts, the ravings of a crazy genius. I’d pick the falcon too while stating the haechi is still OK. But the most valid remark is that it makes very little difference what a person runs (within reason – eg, not destriers) provided they don’t squad and don’t aim for legend league. Play whatever you like, don’t be concerned about your skill levels, even going as far as saying equipment levels (within reason) because the MM-er will provide you the same gaming experience and outcomes as most other players. If people can reach Champions League with 700-ish wins using an unspectacular hanger that is levelled 8/8 then that sort of speaks for the points raised.
If you are gunning for LL than look at what LL players are using while taking into consideration the effects of grandfathered gear.
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Post by foxypotato on Jan 15, 2019 18:16:13 GMT -5
Is this satire? This guy can't be for real. The Haechi was created as a p2w bot and is still insanely powerful with 3 Orkans. It's idot proof. Dash, kill, dash. You can try a Specter but you won't like that either. You will find that the HP is too low for you liking and the stealth is too short. It is not as easy to pilot as the Haechi. The Falcon is fairly balanced in that you either have low firepower and a lot of HP or a lot of firepower and low HP. You won't like that either. It's not a easy bot to pilot.
Gust Pursuer may be your best option. You can run around hiding behind walls and killing players that can't even fight back. Sounds like it is right up your ally. Also consider the Mercury. It's pretty OP right now with its long stealth duration.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 15, 2019 19:06:04 GMT -5
Is this satire? This guy can't be for real. The Haechi was created as a p2w bot and is still insanely powerful with 3 Orkans. It's idot proof. Dash, kill, dash. You can try a Specter but you won't like that either. You will find that the HP is too low for you liking and the stealth is too short. It is not as easy to pilot as the Haechi. The Falcon is fairly balanced in that you either have low firepower and a lot of HP or a lot of firepower and low HP. You won't like that either. It's not a easy bot to pilot. Gust Pursuer may be your best option. You can run around hiding behind walls and killing players that can't even fight back. Sounds like it is right up your ally. Also consider the Mercury. It's pretty OP right now with its long stealth duration. My guess is OP joined the game already after DIESS had broken the game, so he doesn't see Haechi as others do, who have been here before that. If that is the case here, his post makes perfect sense to me.
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