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Post by moody on Jan 15, 2019 22:44:46 GMT -5
It does amaze me that someone calls a haechi slow. But be that as it is - it isn't the bot it was when pix was calling it 'best of the best'. oh wait, that was only a couple of days ago.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jan 15, 2019 23:28:05 GMT -5
Surprised that the Carnage isn't in the poll.
The Carnage is an amazingly quick bot that moves at a whopping 40km/h. And it's OP Rush ability can give it 10secs of speed boost that lets it run at a staggering 66km/h!!
It's energy shield is the same as a Haechi, but it's almost so useless that you won't even notice having it around you.
The Carnage can tank a full blast from a Treb Fury!! How awesome is that!?!
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Post by Garbage game on Jan 15, 2019 23:51:53 GMT -5
Is this satire? This guy can't be for real. The Haechi was created as a p2w bot and is still insanely powerful with 3 Orkans. It's idot proof. Dash, kill, dash. You can try a Specter but you won't like that either. You will find that the HP is too low for you liking and the stealth is too short. It is not as easy to pilot as the Haechi. The Falcon is fairly balanced in that you either have low firepower and a lot of HP or a lot of firepower and low HP. You won't like that either. It's not a easy bot to pilot. Gust Pursuer may be your best option. You can run around hiding behind walls and killing players that can't even fight back. Sounds like it is right up your ally. Also consider the Mercury. It's pretty OP right now with its long stealth duration. My guess is OP joined the game already after DIESS had broken the game, so he doesn't see Haechi as others do, who have been here before that. If that is the case here, his post makes perfect sense to me. I joined after DIESS and think Haechi is still a very strong bot. Even after nerfs
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Post by rags on Jan 16, 2019 0:08:28 GMT -5
Thread of the year. dudes either the king of trolls or the king of noobs. bow before his majesty
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 1:25:25 GMT -5
Is this satire? This guy can't be for real. The Haechi was created as a p2w bot and is still insanely powerful with 3 Orkans. It's idot proof. Dash, kill, dash. You can try a Specter but you won't like that either. You will find that the HP is too low for you liking and the stealth is too short. It is not as easy to pilot as the Haechi. The Falcon is fairly balanced in that you either have low firepower and a lot of HP or a lot of firepower and low HP. You won't like that either. It's not a easy bot to pilot. Gust Pursuer may be your best option. You can run around hiding behind walls and killing players that can't even fight back. Sounds like it is right up your ally. Also consider the Mercury. It's pretty OP right now with its long stealth duration. My guess is OP joined the game already after DIESS had broken the game, so he doesn't see Haechi as others do, who have been here before that. If that is the case here, his post makes perfect sense to me. Thank you.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 16, 2019 2:36:09 GMT -5
Hiachi running Orkans or Terrans just aren't what they used to be after all these new options. Most people I know have ranged them 500M+. Storm, Punisher, Shocktrain, Hydra, Ion, and Scourge/Pulsar are all common sight now. Some have even turned thiers into "pie chuckers" keeping with the short ranged setups but going Vortex. Personally I ranged mine with Ions until I got Pulsar/Scourge combo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 2:50:14 GMT -5
Hiachi running Orkans or Terrans just aren't what they used to be after all these new options. Most people I know have ranged them 500M+. Storm, Punisher, Shocktrain, Hydra, Ion, and Scourge/Pulsar are all common sight now. Some have even turned thiers into "pie chuckers" keeping with the short ranged setups but going Vortex. Personally I ranged mine with Ions until I got Pulsar/Scourge combo. Do you think Orkans/Tarans will be more useful on Ao Guang?
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Post by ironstar on Jan 16, 2019 3:02:18 GMT -5
OP looking at you're hangar I'm seeing a distinct lack of tanky bots. I would toss the Rayker before the Haechi unless you feel it is a good bot for you. I see literally zero Raykers in high level clan battles. A few Blitz and maybe an invader every blue moon. Don't bother with the pursuer. I threw resources at one to get it to lvl 12 and less than a month later modules hit the live server instantly rendering it obsolete.
If I was you I would go for something with staying power. Either a Falcon (ember 2x exodus for close combat), a Mender (shotgun or Punisher T 2x shredder) or a Bulwark (2x avenger).
If you want a little background for my suggestions I'm playing in the 3rd ranked Android clan in S league and routinely reach 10K champion cups personally.
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 16, 2019 9:46:48 GMT -5
OP looking at you're hangar I'm seeing a distinct lack of tanky bots. I would toss the Rayker before the Haechi unless you feel it is a good bot for you. I see literally zero Raykers in high level clan battles. A few Blitz and maybe an invader every blue moon. Don't bother with the pursuer. I threw resources at one to get it to lvl 12 and less than a month later modules hit the live server instantly rendering it obsolete. If I was you I would go for something with staying power. Either a Falcon (ember 2x exodus for close combat), a Mender (shotgun or Punisher T 2x shredder) or a Bulwark (2x avenger). If you want a little background for my suggestions I'm playing in the 3rd ranked Android clan in S league and routinely reach 10K champion cups personally. Agreed in the main with this post though I'm on iOS.
Rayker is nearly useless. Pursuers though can still be useful but now require WAY more skill and brains than before.
Mender and Falcon are decent choices as is the Bulwark. But it also depends on your playstyle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:39:57 GMT -5
OP looking at you're hangar I'm seeing a distinct lack of tanky bots. I would toss the Rayker before the Haechi unless you feel it is a good bot for you. I see literally zero Raykers in high level clan battles. A few Blitz and maybe an invader every blue moon. Don't bother with the pursuer. I threw resources at one to get it to lvl 12 and less than a month later modules hit the live server instantly rendering it obsolete. If I was you I would go for something with staying power. Either a Falcon (ember 2x exodus for close combat), a Mender (shotgun or Punisher T 2x shredder) or a Bulwark (2x avenger). If you want a little background for my suggestions I'm playing in the 3rd ranked Android clan in S league and routinely reach 10K champion cups personally. Agreed in the main with this post though I'm on iOS.
Rayker is nearly useless. Pursuers though can still be useful but now require WAY more skill and brains than before.
Mender and Falcon are decent choices as is the Bulwark. But it also depends on your playstyle.
Thank you! I'll also try the new dragon bots as soon as they will be available.
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Post by Joopiter on Jan 16, 2019 11:28:35 GMT -5
Pursuer hands down. Maybe doesn't pull the damage numbers that a exodus, dragoon or avenger falcon may get, but it's effective on the map at doing decent damage and snagging beacons and most of all... it's the most fun to play.
I switched my 2 gust 1 halo pursuer over to a 3 halo pursuer about a month ago and it's a little monster.
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Post by killmall420 on Jan 17, 2019 1:35:10 GMT -5
I know it's old school but rog jumps and fast and cheep tell new bots are out or raven why do you you all seem to think the the newest bot is away better takes time to get real good with any bot
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 2:01:47 GMT -5
I know it's old school but rog jumps and fast and cheep tell new bots are out or raven why do you you all seem to think the the newest bot is away better takes time to get real good with any bot I was thinking about Orkan Rog many times. But can it survive longer than 30 seconds in the world of Shocktrains/Scourges?
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 17, 2019 7:40:40 GMT -5
It's called cover for a reason...
Honestly, I think the best bot for you is another god bot. Maybe the Hades or the Nemesis...wait, which one is the one with the ungodly fast cooldown for the shield? I think that was the Nemesis to compensate for only 2M weapons right?
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 17, 2019 9:08:17 GMT -5
I currently have two Rogs, they are fun to play and you have 0 chance of hitting the "Gold over skill" button. they have decent HP for a fast moving bot and a fast skill recharge.
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Post by killmall420 on Jan 17, 2019 10:02:27 GMT -5
You right but the bigest problem in this game is to many player just think I need to move up in ranking I could care less I know I'm a ok player with what I have ftp that said if I move up to fast my bot can't keep up hit that wall then the game is not fun you spend cash or 「female dog」 then quit the game this may sound bad but need the be said this is not pix falt you put your self in that spot not pix and yes I do agree they are money grabber and could help us a lot more not going to happen as long as we pay for the newest greatest stuff they gave us a good game you just have to know your place in the game it can stay fun for a long time
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Post by drovo1 on Jan 17, 2019 22:05:52 GMT -5
kukurukukuk thanks for your answer. Here is my Hangar.
Haechi is the only bot I simply hate. Its terribly slow, its absolutely useless, its energy shield is a joke. It cannot run, cannot jump, its dashes are reloading insanely long. I'll replace it with Pursuer and will get rid of those useless Orkans. I could see the puruser becoming an upgrade; before you ditch it for good, try it as your 1st bot out on shorter maps, as Ork-haechi is very good at grabbing center beacon and defending against any early comers; I know you do have the Strider for that purpose also, but the haechi shiled does help you survive long enough to grab center beacon on some of the maps. That early center beacon grab can often swing the difference in winning or losing the game. When you can grab center beacon and survive after that, it's a bonus. If you must add the puruser, I have a difficult time saying whether or not your hangar would be benefitted more by replacing the Rayker or the Haechi though, since I have no experience using that bot nor the weapons you have on it!
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 18, 2019 17:19:15 GMT -5
Hiachi was butt hurt in the resistance update as it got -resist to all types of damage, but since 4.5 Hiachi is back. Yes, it does have the weakest Ancile, but you must remind yourself this is an "inbuilt" Ancile, you don't loose a weapons slot to use it. Yes, it does skill recharge slow, but you must remember it recharges faster than some other dash bots. No, it cannot run, if it could it would be so broken, remember you are toting 3 medium weapons and an Ancile. And... as far as Orkans being useless... pfft please, they are the top burst rocket weapon in game damage wise. Use the Orkans on another bot, RANGE the Hiachi, failing you not owning any decent ranged mediums, mothball it for later, trashing it would be a huge mistake. As far as you being frustrated with it , I can understand, Hiachi is actually balanced, as are several other bots, problem is we have broken bots & weapons introduced. This makes other bots sub-par if you don't have the right stuff or levels, and this makes certain under powered bots totally useless. We all feel your pain, But Hiachi still has it's uses in this day and age. Is it super uber anymore? No, and that should be just fine with real gamers. BALACE ALL BOTS should be the post.
EDIT: Sorry to turn this into a balance issue from Hiachi's uses, but to be fair ALL bot's should be good at something & weak at something else. The "push this button" to out gold someone button has ruined any chance of that. And don't even get me started on the Greek bots Shield abilities….
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 17:22:45 GMT -5
I still like my Orkan / Haechi. I also run a Falcon and Spectre.
I guess it depends on how you use it. I use mine as an opener to support the first wave in DOM. I mostly brawl with my Inquisitor, Hades, and Falcon, keeping my Spectre for mid-range.
If money is no issue, than I'd go with the Orkan Spectre in your case.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 18, 2019 17:28:19 GMT -5
I still like my Orkan / Haechi. I also run a Falcon and Spectre. I guess it depends on how you use it. I use mine as an opener to support the first wave in DOM. I mostly brawl with my Inquisitor, Hades, and Falcon, keeping my Spectre for mid-range. If money is no issue, than I'd go with the Orkan Spectre in your case. He may play the Persuer better, I was just saying don't trash the Orkans or Hiachi.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 19, 2019 16:01:19 GMT -5
Surprised that the Carnage isn't in the poll. The Carnage is an amazingly quick bot that moves at a whopping 40km/h. And it's OP Rush ability can give it 10secs of speed boost that lets it run at a staggering 66km/h!! It's energy shield is the same as a Haechi, but it's almost so useless that you won't even notice having it around you. The Carnage can tank a full blast from a Treb Fury!! How awesome is that!?! Actually the Carnage Ancile is stronger than the Hiachi, Hiachi has the weakest "inbuilt" Ancile, Fujin has the strongest inbuilt Ancile, all this is balanced. problem comes in with broken weps & broken bots. Carnage needs a small speed increase OR small health boost, key point being here is SMALL. Pixonic has a history of adding imbalance & not fixing ALL ELSE to re-balance...they just nerf or add something stronger 1 month later....
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Post by moody on Jan 20, 2019 16:46:00 GMT -5
Surprised that the Carnage isn't in the poll. The Carnage is an amazingly quick bot that moves at a whopping 40km/h. And it's OP Rush ability can give it 10secs of speed boost that lets it run at a staggering 66km/h!! It's energy shield is the same as a Haechi, but it's almost so useless that you won't even notice having it around you. The Carnage can tank a full blast from a Treb Fury!! How awesome is that!?! Actually the Carnage Ancile is stronger than the Hiachi, Hiachi has the weakest "inbuilt" Ancile, Fujin has the strongest inbuilt Ancile, all this is balanced. problem comes in with broken weps & broken bots. Carnage needs a small speed increase OR small health boost, key point being here is SMALL. Pixonic has a history of adding imbalance & not fixing ALL ELSE to re-balance...they just nerf or add something stronger 1 month later.... If carnage only needed a small speed increase or small health boost then some players would use them in champion at least some of the time. Carnage really needs something more dramatic before it would be viable in the current meta. e.g. stronger again ancille and a small health boost.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jan 20, 2019 18:04:04 GMT -5
If carnage only needed a small speed increase or small health boost then some players would use them in champion at least some of the time. Carnage really needs something more dramatic before it would be viable in the current meta. e.g. stronger again ancille and a small health boost. Even a second Passive Module slot would make a huge difference. Dragoon Carnage is still viable if played carefully (Dragoon Bulwark is objectively better, even before considering the extra 2 Modules, but Carnage has features that can be used to its advantage), but that may be more a testament to Dragoons than to Carnage. Any other weapon (IMHO) puts it at a huge disadvantage in the current meta. Calamity might allow Carny to regain some of its lost glory though.
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Post by moody on Jan 20, 2019 18:33:01 GMT -5
If carnage only needed a small speed increase or small health boost then some players would use them in champion at least some of the time. Carnage really needs something more dramatic before it would be viable in the current meta. e.g. stronger again ancille and a small health boost. Even a second Passive Module slot would make a huge difference. Dragoon Carnage is still viable if played carefully (Dragoon Bulwark is objectively better, even before considering the extra 2 Modules, but Carnage has features that can be used to its advantage), but that may be more a testament to Dragoons than to Carnage. Any other weapon (IMHO) puts it at a huge disadvantage in the current meta. Calamity might allow Carny to regain some of its lost glory though. I think that the same could be argued for tridents at the moment - again a testament to the weapon rather than the bot.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Jan 20, 2019 23:00:58 GMT -5
kukurukukuk thanks for your answer. Here is my Hangar.
Haechi is the only bot I simply hate. Its terribly slow, its absolutely useless, its energy shield is a joke. It cannot run, cannot jump, its dashes are reloading insanely long. I'll replace it with Pursuer and will get rid of those useless Orkans. LOL Pursuer is garbage with Quantum Radar..but still buy one and come running to daddy in his Haechi Scourge so I can collect my silver ?
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Jan 20, 2019 23:03:31 GMT -5
kukurukukuk thanks for your answer. Here is my Hangar.
Haechi is the only bot I simply hate. Its terribly slow, its absolutely useless, its energy shield is a joke. It cannot run, cannot jump, its dashes are reloading insanely long. I'll replace it with Pursuer and will get rid of those useless Orkans. I would toss rayker like a bad habit. Needs 7kmh faster and 50 k more health. Either invader or falcon for that slot. You also need a second hanger for ranged bots. Trust me, you’ll appreciate the convenience. My second hanger was the best thing I ever purchased. Third and fourth hangers are just for keeping track of the other setups I have. Now the Rayker is one seriously useless bot...didn’t level mine past level 5. Absolute toilet, but I guess each to their own.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 21, 2019 7:59:07 GMT -5
I'd not choose a Rayker over the Hiachi, but it has it's uses in team play. Where as with the Rayker you need decent weapons & a decently leveled Rayker to solo, the Hiahi is fine soloing at any level minding your weapons range as compared to the bots level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 3:57:47 GMT -5
Thank you for your replies. I replaced my Rayker with Pursuer yesterday and got 3x new Gusts for it. Since Strider is my favorite bot, I enjoy the super fast Pursuer very much too. This silent hunter is very useful despite of Quantum Radar, because I barely meet people who got it. Wonderul to hunt Areses, Spectres and others. My Haechi will be replaced by Ao Jun or Ao Guang on the February 5th.
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Post by WattTron on Jan 22, 2019 15:56:30 GMT -5
I'll be at decision time soon too when my Mercury becomes a grownup bot. I wouldn't scrap him down yet, rather I would repurpose it with more modern weapons such as 3 coronas, more range and power than the orkans plus a chance to immobilize! Purple horizontal pulses are cool too
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Post by salieri on Jan 22, 2019 16:10:13 GMT -5
I can remember the days when I was using 2 haechies. One with Orkans One with tarans i ditched one of them but still this beast is waaaaay too far from being useless. Use it like Pop-Unload-Hide its energy shield feels like paper and its hp pool is very low he is not very fast too. He is like advanced carnage with dash instead of rush and a little bit more hp and shield so play it like a tharnage.
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