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Post by fbixxx on Dec 7, 2018 10:48:03 GMT -5
Hi guys
So basically I’m an old player, just returned to the game after a year of inactivity. Although having played for almost a week now I’m still overwhelmed with all the new robots and new weapons now and really need some advice to gain some competitive edge to the new game
I currently have 16M silver and 20M gold
My inventory is:
- 2 lancelots, 1 galahad, 2 griffins, 1 fury, 1 rogatka, 1 butch, 1 doc, all high levels
- 5 orkans, 4 tarans, 1 ancile, 2 thunders, 3 tridents, 3 trebuchets, 4 pinatas and 4 magnums all high levels
It’d be great if you can shed me some light with the new good combination for me, I see that some new weapons and robots can be purchased with gold now, I just dont really know what I should buy. Also, should I invest precious silver in workshop to acquire the parts?
Thank you so much!
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Post by Joopiter on Dec 7, 2018 11:01:50 GMT -5
What you're going to find out if you haven't already is another overwhelming issue of upgrade cost and time. Pix did a complete economy overhaul and made bots cheaper or easier to get, but made upgrades very difficult for the average player. Now, if you already owned bots or weapons before the new economy then their upgrades are grandfathered in.
What league are you in?
Believe it or not, what you're already thinking about running based on when you left will still probably be the way to go. At least until you can get some new gear leveled.
Ancilot w/ Tarans (the lance got a decent buff recently)
Lance Thunder/Orkans
DB Griff
Trident Fury (tridents were useless up to a couple weeks ago, last update made them relevant again, they fire like tulus)
Rog w/ Tarans or PDB Griff
Now please take this hangar with a grain of salt because they are some crazy bots out there now, but if you don't advance too high in the leagues then I think you can still have fun.
The doc w/ orkans used to be my favorite bot but it's lost a lot of advantage because of the newer options. You'll get annihilated trying to unload two separate salvos of orkans. FYI, they slowed down the orkan fire rate. If you really want to use him, then buy some tulumbas. Tulus have actually kept their usefulness up to champion league.
You can do what you want, but try not to give in and spend real money to get caught up. Pixonic has gone so ?fluffernutter?ing overboard with the pay to win requirements; you'll see what I mean when you get your first pursuer or mercury and try to level them.
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Dec 7, 2018 11:04:44 GMT -5
Leave, you were right the first time
And everything you had a year ago is mostly worthless so you’re almost starting over. Almost.
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Post by no pain 80 on Dec 7, 2018 11:18:08 GMT -5
i am guessing you meant 20k Au, right? then, i suggest you purchase a 2x avenger (2500 Au each) and a falcon (7500 Au), put your avengers on one of your lance and the other one to the main slot of your to-be-acquired falcon (thunders can go to the fangs/talons, and remember fangs out ability is to be used sparingly only). i believe you already run a tarancilot, use your remaining tarans with your avenger lance. tridents are now buffed, and work just like tulus with reload while firing mec. you might run trident fury, there are varying opinions on the reworked tridents, no consensus on its effectiveness and competitiveness yet. as to the last slot in your hangar, you can run a DB griffin, or orkan doc, depending on which is more fun and/or effective for you. and just an idea: you can also purchase a hover for 6500 Au if you are playing dom or br, and like capping/stealing beacons.
you are Ag broke, so I suggest you save it for upgrades, at least for a while. leveling 2x avengers to lvl.7 will cost you 6m Ag and take about 5 days. As to the falcon, leveling it to 7 will cost 10m Ag and take about 10 days. You can, however, speed the last two levels using Au (about 1100 Au), which will reduce the upgrade time by 7 days. in a week or so, you will have a more competitive hangar. As you win Ag, and restore your Ag funds, you can go for producing bots (stealth, dash, suppression of your choice based on your playstyle) in the new workshop. for a meta bot, it takes about a month, and drains about 30-40m Ag to produce in the ws. to reduce costs and speed it up, save your tokens and use the royale to flip cards: 150-200k tokens is almost guaranteed 1500 comps.
welcome back, good luck and have fun!
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Post by PixelPower6 on Dec 7, 2018 11:20:45 GMT -5
Boi, you are in for a heck of a lot of problems.
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 7, 2018 11:25:58 GMT -5
What you're going to find out if you haven't already is another overwhelming issue of upgrade cost and time. The did a complete economy overhaul and made bots cheaper or easier to get, but made upgrades very difficult for the average player. Now, if you already owned bots or weapons before the new economy then their upgrades are grandfathered in. What league are you in? That hangar would still work in Expert. Believe it or not, what you're already thinking about running based on when you left will still probably be the way to go. At least until you can get some new gear leveled. Ancilot w/ Tarans (the lance got a decent buff recently) Lance Thunder/Orkans DB Griff Trident Fury (tridents were useless up to a couple weeks ago, last update made them relevant again, they fire like tulus) Rog w/ Tarans or PDB Griff Now please take this hangar with a grain of salt because they are some crazy bots out there now, but if you don't advance too high in the leagues then I think you can still have fun. The doc w/ orkans used to be my favorite bot but it's lost a lot of advantage because of the newer options. You'll get annihilated trying to unload two separate salvos of orkans. FYI, they slowed down the orkan fire rate. If you really want to use him, then buy some tulumbas. Tulus have actually kept their usefulness up to champion league. You can do what you want, but try not to give in and spend real money to get caught up. Pixonic has gone so ?fluffernutter?ing overboard with the pay to win requirements; you'll see what I mean when you get your first pursuer or mercury and try to level them. Thanks, I’m in Expert now, actually I’m still the top damage around 60-70% of time, especially Fury Tridents usually get me 3–4 kills on average, but I can see that Galahad and Thunder/Orkans Lance are just punching bags now, DB Griffs lost its advantage and usually only get 1 kill, Ancilot tarans is doing fine I guess What would you advice me on new bots and weapons purchase, and workshop as well? I need new robot and weapon, I know that for sure |
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 7, 2018 11:27:05 GMT -5
Leave, you were right the first time And everything you had a year ago is mostly worthless so you’re almost starting over. Almost. Im just playing for fun now, no judgement held, unlike a year ago because Pix was too greedy, now its just for fun for me, a few games a day doesnt kill anyone |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 7, 2018 11:30:01 GMT -5
Don't invest in ANYTHING beyond upgrading your existing equipment until Pix releases the Modules onto Live server. From what I've seen, they will massively screw with the gameplay. So see what happens there before making any other decisions.
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Dec 7, 2018 11:30:44 GMT -5
Leave, you were right the first time And everything you had a year ago is mostly worthless so you’re almost starting over. Almost. Im just playing for fun now, no judgement held, unlike a year ago because Pix was too greedy, now its just for fun for me, a few games a day doesnt kill anyone That’s the only attitude that works with Pix. Have fun |
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 7, 2018 11:32:13 GMT -5
i am guessing you meant 20k Au, right? then, i suggest you purchase a 2x avenger (2500 Au each) and a falcon (7500 Au), put your avengers on one of your lance and the other one to the main slot of your to-be-acquired falcon (thunders can go to the fangs/talons, and remember fangs out ability is to be used sparingly only). i believe you already run a tarancilot, use your remaining tarans with your avenger lance. tridents are now buffed, and work just like tulus with reload while firing mec. you might run trident fury, there are varying opinions on the reworked tridents, no consensus on its effectiveness and competitiveness yet. as to the last slot in your hangar, you can run a DB griffin, or orkan doc, depending on which is more fun and/or effective for you. and just an idea: you can also purchase a hover for 6500 Au if you are playing dom or br, and like capping/stealing beacons. you are Ag broke, so I suggest you save it for upgrades, at least for a while. leveling 2x avengers to lvl.7 will cost you 6m Ag and take about 5 days. As to the falcon, leveling it to 7 will cost 10m Ag and take about 10 days. You can, however, speed the last two levels using Au (about 1100 Au), which will reduce the upgrade time by 7 days. in a week or so, you will have a more competitive hangar. As you win Ag, and restore your Ag funds, you can go for producing bots (stealth, dash, suppression of your choice based on your playstyle) in the new workshop. for a meta bot, it takes about a month, and drains about 30-40m Ag to produce in the ws. to reduce costs and speed it up, save your tokens and use the royale to flip cards: 150-200k tokens is almost guaranteed 1500 comps. welcome back, good luck and have fun! Thanks a lot man, exactly the kind of advice I’m looking for! I want to both working on the workshop and upgrade new weapons and bots, I dont mind it taking long ‘cos I only play a few games a day now To be honest I dont even know what the new bots and weapons are capable of doing now, I know the dash bots, they were there when I quit, but the newer ones are out of my world, I dont even know which is which in the battlefield haha. Could you give me some of the common combination in the battlefield now? |
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Post by kukurukukuk on Dec 7, 2018 11:33:07 GMT -5
Welcome back!
Sadly, the vast majority of traditional legacy gear (i.e. non-component) is outclassed by newer additions. Also, the economy has been reworked for the worst. All component gear has ridiculous upgrade times.
Check the wiki for details.
Based on what you have: - The Trident Fury is great as your primary midrange bot. The Trident firing mechanics have been reworked and it competes as one of the best midrangers currently in game. - The Ancile/Taran Lancelot is still a powerful bot. The Galahad, Griffin, Rogatka, Butch and Doc are ok since you have them, but I'd consider them placeholders until you get some better bots.
The latest patch made some previously component only bots and weapons available for Au. I would look into the bots first. The Inquisitor and Kumiho are very good, albeit costly to get at 7500 Au. They are also costly and time consuming to upgrade. You can easily equip them with what you already have.
It makes sense to invest in the Workshop only if you play enough to sustain both it and the new gear you will get. I haven't done the math but you needed around 30m Ag and more than a month to get any item in its previous iteration.
Have a look at these charts to get an idea of the relative power of each bot/weapon and some of the most effective builds out there:
My advice: don't worry too much about your league placement. Based on where you left, you may be in for tough matches at first. Accept the beatings and let the MM find your position in the leagues. Work from there by getting new gear and slowly building your hangar again.
Edit: forgot about the Avenger as no pain 80 said. It should be a good addition. |
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 7, 2018 11:33:13 GMT -5
Don't invest in ANYTHING beyond upgrading your existing equipment until Pix releases the Modules onto Live server. From what I've seen, they will massively screw with the gameplay. So see what happens there before making any other decisions. What modules are you talking about? |
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 7, 2018 11:39:13 GMT -5
It makes sense to invest in the Workshop only if you play enough to sustain both it and the new gear you will get. I haven't done the math but you needed around 30m Ag and more than a month to get any item in its previous iteration. My advice: don't worry too much about your league placement. Based on where you left, you may be in for tough matches at first. Accept the beatings and let the MM find your position in the leagues. Work from there by getting new gear and slowly building your hangar again.
Edit: forgot about the Avenger as no pain 80 said. It should be a good addition. What did you mean by play enough to sustain the workshop and the new gear? Does the workshop process or weapon I got from it have expiration date? I totally play for fun now, just a few games before sleep, no worries about anything at all, but never skip a match! |
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Post by Joopiter on Dec 7, 2018 11:45:19 GMT -5
What you're going to find out if you haven't already is another overwhelming issue of upgrade cost and time. The did a complete economy overhaul and made bots cheaper or easier to get, but made upgrades very difficult for the average player. Now, if you already owned bots or weapons before the new economy then their upgrades are grandfathered in. What league are you in? That hangar would still work in Expert. Believe it or not, what you're already thinking about running based on when you left will still probably be the way to go. At least until you can get some new gear leveled. Ancilot w/ Tarans (the lance got a decent buff recently) Lance Thunder/Orkans DB Griff Trident Fury (tridents were useless up to a couple weeks ago, last update made them relevant again, they fire like tulus) Rog w/ Tarans or PDB Griff Now please take this hangar with a grain of salt because they are some crazy bots out there now, but if you don't advance too high in the leagues then I think you can still have fun. What would you advice me on new bots and weapons purchase, and workshop as well? I need new robot and weapon, I know that for sure Best medium brawling weapons in the game are scourge and orkans followed closely by tarans. I'd definitely get some tulus bought and leveled. Splash is pretty critical since there's so many stealth bots the hide around corners. Scourges are brutal but do them after the tulus. Tulumbas are cheeeeap. Avengers are powerful and relatively inexpensive compared to other heavy weapons. Like K said above, it's gonna be preferable to a thunder. Thunders have been neglected by Pixonic. |
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Post by kukurukukuk on Dec 7, 2018 11:46:45 GMT -5
It makes sense to invest in the Workshop only if you play enough to sustain both it and the new gear you will get. I haven't done the math but you needed around 30m Ag and more than a month to get any item in its previous iteration. My advice: don't worry too much about your league placement. Based on where you left, you may be in for tough matches at first. Accept the beatings and let the MM find your position in the leagues. Work from there by getting new gear and slowly building your hangar again.
Edit: forgot about the Avenger as no pain 80 said. It should be a good addition. What did you mean by play enough to sustain the workshop and the new gear? Does the workshop process or weapon I got from it have expiration date? I totally play for fun now, just a few games before sleep, no worries about anything at all, but never skip a match! I just mean that both put a strain on your Ag. No expiration or something like that.
If you use the Workshop, you will need from 800k to 1.7m Ag each day for a month. |
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Post by no pain 80 on Dec 7, 2018 12:05:19 GMT -5
i am guessing you meant 20k Au, right? then, i suggest you purchase a 2x avenger (2500 Au each) and a falcon (7500 Au), put your avengers on one of your lance and the other one to the main slot of your to-be-acquired falcon (thunders can go to the fangs/talons, and remember fangs out ability is to be used sparingly only). i believe you already run a tarancilot, use your remaining tarans with your avenger lance. tridents are now buffed, and work just like tulus with reload while firing mec. you might run trident fury, there are varying opinions on the reworked tridents, no consensus on its effectiveness and competitiveness yet. as to the last slot in your hangar, you can run a DB griffin, or orkan doc, depending on which is more fun and/or effective for you. and just an idea: you can also purchase a hover for 6500 Au if you are playing dom or br, and like capping/stealing beacons. you are Ag broke, so I suggest you save it for upgrades, at least for a while. leveling 2x avengers to lvl.7 will cost you 6m Ag and take about 5 days. As to the falcon, leveling it to 7 will cost 10m Ag and take about 10 days. You can, however, speed the last two levels using Au (about 1100 Au), which will reduce the upgrade time by 7 days. in a week or so, you will have a more competitive hangar. As you win Ag, and restore your Ag funds, you can go for producing bots (stealth, dash, suppression of your choice based on your playstyle) in the new workshop. for a meta bot, it takes about a month, and drains about 30-40m Ag to produce in the ws. to reduce costs and speed it up, save your tokens and use the royale to flip cards: 150-200k tokens is almost guaranteed 1500 comps. welcome back, good luck and have fun! Thanks a lot man, exactly the kind of advice I’m looking for! I want to both working on the workshop and upgrade new weapons and bots, I dont mind it taking long ‘cos I only play a few games a day now To be honest I dont even know what the new bots and weapons are capable of doing now, I know the dash bots, they were there when I quit, but the newer ones are out of my world, I dont even know which is which in the battlefield haha. Could you give me some of the common combination in the battlefield now? stealth bots are very common. there are 4, excluding our old time friend stalker, of them at the moment: inquisitor, spectre, mercury and pursuer. i play mostly ffa, and just got promoted to master, so i usually encounter these bots: multiples most of the time. the most common builds for inquisitor (stealth/jump ability with 5sec stealth after landing), tarans with redeemer (heavy taran) or ember (heavy flamethrower); orkans with exodus (heavy orkan), or thunder, or avenger. for spectre (stealth/jump ability with 2sec stealth after landing), orkans build is by far the most common with some scourges (new lock-on energy teaser) and tulus. Mercury has stealthed jump with explosion upon landing (plus 5sec additional stealth), which is called helldive. it is very versatile bot, and very deadly because of its unique ability. the most common builds have thunder, avenger and ember in their heavy slots. In the arms, gust (light thunder, but way sharper vertical spread than thunder, so very effective even at mid-max range) and/or halo (energy gust with lock-down ability, will explain it below). Pursuer is more like an upgrade on stalker, some call it stalker on steroids. it has 10 sec stealth and 33% speed boost (88 km/h at lvl12, sec fastest bot after hellburner, 4th if you consider speed boosts of dashing strider and kumiho) upon activation. Only pursuers you will see are those with gusts, halos and their combinations. Watch your lances. these little beasts are quite deadly. most pursuer pilots use this so-called facehugging, for which the weapons on your lance can not hit them.
there are also suppression bots (raker, blitz and invader) which fires, or activate on landing, a shot (blast within a certain radius) that reduce your damage output by 75% for 5 sec.
Mender and weyland are the repairing bots. Weyland is like raijin, a spider bot, becomes stationary when its ability activated (like the bastion mode, but without damage boost). Mender is the mobile version, and most pilots use this little silver miner.
there are also greek bots now, they are new, and noone knows their full potential yet. they dont seem to overpowered to me, but we will see. their unique ability is this 'God' mode with impenetrable shield which absorbs the enemy fire, and shoots back using their built-in weapons. Please read about them in the wiki page. and lock-down weapons... there are 5 of them in 2 different classes: shredder(light energy punisher) and pulsar (medium energy punisher), halo (light energy gust), corona (medium energy storm) and glory (heavy energy taran). shredder and pulsar fire/discharge energy bullets. halo,corona,glory family shots energy arcs (horizontal) their unique ability is to immobilize the enemy bots with certain probabilities (almost each clip/burst is a guaranteed lockdown for 5 sec followed by 5 sec grace period) i hope this helps.
please read the wiki pages for more detailed descriptions and strategic and tactical uses of different builds.
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 7, 2018 12:18:16 GMT -5
Thanks a lot man, exactly the kind of advice I’m looking for! I want to both working on the workshop and upgrade new weapons and bots, I dont mind it taking long ‘cos I only play a few games a day now To be honest I dont even know what the new bots and weapons are capable of doing now, I know the dash bots, they were there when I quit, but the newer ones are out of my world, I dont even know which is which in the battlefield haha. Could you give me some of the common combination in the battlefield now? stealth bots are very common. there are 4, excluding our old time friend stalker, of them at the moment: inquisitor, spectre, mercury and pursuer. i play mostly ffa, and just got promoted to master, so i usually encounter these bots: multiples most of the time. the most common builds for inquisitor (stealth/jump ability with 5sec stealth after landing), tarans with redeemer (heavy taran) or ember (heavy flamethrower); orkans with exodus (heavy orkan), or thunder, or avenger. for spectre (stealth/jump ability with 2sec stealth after landing), orkans build is by far the most common with some scourges (new lock-on energy teaser) and tulus. Mercury has stealthed jump with explosion upon landing (plus 5sec additional stealth), which is called helldive. it is very versatile bot, and very deadly because of its unique ability. the most common builds have thunder, avenger and ember in their heavy slots. In the arms, gust (light thunder, but way sharper vertical spread than thunder, so very effective even at mid-max range) and/or halo (energy gust with lock-down ability, will explain it below). Pursuer is more like an upgrade on stalker, some call it stalker on steroids. it has 10 sec stealth and 33% speed boost (88 km/h at lvl12, sec fastest bot after hellburner, 4th if you consider speed boosts of dashing strider and kumiho) upon activation. Only pursuers you will see are those with gusts, halos and their combinations. Watch your lances. these little beasts are quite deadly. most pursuer pilots use this so-called facehugging, for which the weapons on your lance can not hit them.
there are also suppression bots (raker, blitz and invader) which fires, or activate on landing, a shot (blast within a certain radius) that reduce your damage output by 75% for 5 sec.
Mender and weyland are the repairing bots. Weyland is like raijin, a spider bot, becomes stationary when its ability activated (like the bastion mode, but without damage boost). Mender is the mobile version, and most pilots use this little silver miner.
there are also greek bots now, they are new, and noone knows their full potential yet. they dont seem to overpowered to me, but we will see. their unique ability is this 'God' mode with impenetrable shield which absorbs the enemy fire, and shoots back using their built-in weapons. Please read about them in the wiki page. and lock-down weapons... there are 5 of them in 2 different classes: shredder(light energy punisher) and pulsar (medium energy punisher), halo (light energy gust), corona (medium energy storm) and glory (heavy energy taran). shredder and pulsar fire/discharge energy bullets. halo,corona,glory family shots energy arcs (horizontal) their unique ability is to immobilize the enemy bots with certain probabilities (almost each clip/burst is a guaranteed lockdown for 5 sec followed by 5 sec grace period) i hope this helps.
please read the wiki pages for more detailed descriptions and strategic and tactical uses of different builds.
I really dont know how to thank you, if only I can 1000 thump up, great information, I'm sure I can find the rest on wikia, you're a life saver! |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 7, 2018 13:37:58 GMT -5
What you're going to find out if you haven't already is another overwhelming issue of upgrade cost and time. The did a complete economy overhaul and made bots cheaper or easier to get, but made upgrades very difficult for the average player. Now, if you already owned bots or weapons before the new economy then their upgrades are grandfathered in. What league are you in? That hangar would still work in Expert. Believe it or not, what you're already thinking about running based on when you left will still probably be the way to go. At least until you can get some new gear leveled. Ancilot w/ Tarans (the lance got a decent buff recently) Lance Thunder/Orkans DB Griff Trident Fury (tridents were useless up to a couple weeks ago, last update made them relevant again, they fire like tulus) Rog w/ Tarans or PDB Griff Now please take this hangar with a grain of salt because they are some crazy bots out there now, but if you don't advance too high in the leagues then I think you can still have fun. The doc w/ orkans used to be my favorite bot but it's lost a lot of advantage because of the newer options. You'll get annihilated trying to unload two separate salvos of orkans. FYI, they slowed down the orkan fire rate. If you really want to use him, then buy some tulumbas. Tulus have actually kept their usefulness up to champion league. You can do what you want, but try not to give in and spend real money to get caught up. Pixonic has gone so ?fluffernutter?ing overboard with the pay to win requirements; you'll see what I mean when you get your first pursuer or mercury and try to level them. Thanks, I’m in Expert now, actually I’m still the top damage around 60-70% of time, especially Fury Tridents usually get me 3–4 kills on average, but I can see that Galahad and Thunder/Orkans Lance are just punching bags now, DB Griffs lost its advantage and usually only get 1 kill, Ancilot tarans is doing fine I guess What would you advice me on new bots and weapons purchase, and workshop as well? I need new robot and weapon, I know that for sure Sticking my nose in here... With a whole wall of text 
Galas are useful again... but you have to drop them when the rockets are less. In my league, energy weapons are very prevalent. Of course there are times when rockets are thick but if you can drop the Gala when they are waning and the energy is waxing, it will do just fine. Also, battlefield awareness is more important than ever with all the stealth and very fast bots out now. It's almost a requirement to keep looking around you... even if you thought you were safe 5 seconds ago. Try to determine what the reds are using every second you aren't in a fight. It can save your life if you notice a Stealth icon shooting splash weapons in your general area.
DB Griff, unfortunately...has most definitely taken a big hit. Best you can do is take a very cautious approach to advancing on the enemy. OR... find a buddy that can tank for you and only engage from flanks or while the Reds are focused on them.
As far as what to get... man that is a lot harder to say then it used to be. Everything is in flux right now. Between the constant releases of new weapons/bots and the subsequent "balances" of existing weapons/bots, things are pretty fluid as far as the idea of the "best" things to get right now.
I will say this...
Having a shield is always worth it right now from my experience. From an Ancilot to a Bulgasari to a Strider with an ECU (they were pretty massively buffed a few updates ago at lower levels and the description on them now in game seems to point to them having a bit of damage resistance too... although I have not confirmed if it's just normal shield mechanics or something new.)
Notice the details on the right:
But yeah, if you don't have a good defensive ability a shield can help.
Weapons that I would/do use:
*Dragoons and Tridents (their is still some debate about this... but I've seen them more and had to reform plans of attack a lot when these show up, lately) and even Zeuses are being used effectively for MR platforms.
*The Molot family has been buffed and at higher levels are showing staying power if used well. Tempests are still viable, as well.
*Scourges and Sparks are still good. They are sorta meh at 600m but close in they melt stuff. With the lock-on mechanic they can help negate the advantages of dashing and speed boosts of the faster bots. But the 3 second lock-on time makes them risky to use in a brawling scenario. The high risk high reward aspect to them is what I prefer.
*Avenger is pretty damn good. It's not a beast but if you can utilize it at the right times it works... Puns and Pun-Ts are in the middle. Still usable but there are better things for the ranges they are best at. They do pair well with the Avenger on something like a Natty.
*Shotties - well... here is a perfect example of the flux comment I said earlier... Gusts have been weak, strong, and now they may be balanced... sorta hard to tell. All of these still do well point blank... but you have to have a bot that can get in quick and leave quick (Gust Persuer), or that is protected in some way (Storm Spectre). Either way, they are very high risk and medium to high reward. Useable... but if you don't like the old skool Carnage Thunder type of play, then move on to other weapons.
*Aphid family. This has always been a hate it or love it weapon family in the War Robots player base. I think the Vortex and Thermite work well enough in the right situations and on the right platform. I have recently started using a Spectre again by putting all Vortexes on it. Both bot and weapons were gathering dust until then. Well... I like it. I am still getting used to it... but even at levels 7 and 8 I can knock off a huge chunk of HP from level 12 bots and weapons with this build. Plus... the Spectre's super high jump height and pretty fast ground speed allow me to get the good angles (these weapons do better if fired from above their target)and to change positions fast if I am getting attention. Thermite Vortex Inq is less mobile but still deadly if used properly. Aphid Patton is still doable... but without a defensive ability (like the stealth jump of the prior options) it dies pretty quickly if caught.
*Plasma - Both the Redeemer and the Taran still work. I'd have no qualms with suggesting either... but note that the Redeemer has a very slow RoF but damn decent damage. It's NOT a larger Taran so don't expect it to shoot like one. Just like the Taran is not a larger Magnum... even though they are usually the best light synergistic choice for a Taran. I'm actually running a Golum right now that has an ECU on the light slot, Taran on the medium, and Redeemer on the Heavy. I Mk2 12-ed the Golum before the price to do so got all jacked up and it's surprising how well it holds up. The ECU is tough now and the corner shooting opportunities with the Golum are still good. Just have to watch out for Rockets.
*Hydra family builds - they work. I hate them. I'll let someone else talk about these. 
*Glue Guns (Root guns) - These are support weapons. Now that they have been *fixed* to what they should act like... they have a chance to glue an opponent in place but don't do a lot of damage in comparison to their normal counterparts. I think these should be used on builds solely focused on supporting by rooting the enemy, if at all, now. Before they were "bugged" and were locking every few shots... it was obv broken. Now... they work as they should and to get the type of performance that was experienced while they were "bugged" they would need to be grouped and highly leveled (the chance to glue is increased with level.) On a dedicated build this could be a good team bot... but if you are a loner...best to look over these for now.
*Rockets - both the 500m and the 300m families are still worth having and using. The light variants are weak but the medium and heavy variants are good. I like my Exodus + Ork Inquisitor. A lot. Tridents and Tulus are rocking right now... although that is partly due to the fact that they do 2x damage to the Aegis shield of a Bullwark.
*Corrosion weapons - Viper, Sting... etc. I don't have these and know little about their usage right now. I liked the few skirmishes I played featuring these... but I don't have enough experience to tell you whether they should be focused on or not.
*Artillery... well... I do see these, even in E2 and highly leveled, every now and again... but I can't say that they should be a focus for a modern hangar. They are more for a fun (read Troll) side project in my mind... but if used well at Mk2 12 they are definitely deadly no matter what anyone says. I still typically ignore the Reds using them and count the Blues that use then as an empty player slot unless they prove I should act otherwise.
As far as bots are concerned... man... that is more of a style question. There are many options... some are universally thought of as needed while others are niche that one player may rave over while the other thinks is garbage.
So... what type of playing style do you enjoy/do best at?
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Post by Robrero on Dec 8, 2018 12:12:41 GMT -5
Hi guys So basically I’m an old player, just returned to the game after a year of inactivity. Although having played for almost a week now I’m still overwhelmed with all the new robots and new weapons now and really need some advice to gain some competitive edge to the new game I currently have 16M silver and 20M gold My inventory is: - 2 lancelots, 1 galahad, 2 griffins, 1 fury, 1 rogatka, 1 butch, 1 doc, all high levels - 5 orkans, 4 tarans, 1 ancile, 2 thunders, 3 tridents, 3 trebuchets, 4 pinatas and 4 magnums all high levels It’d be great if you can shed me some light with the new good combination for me, I see that some new weapons and robots can be purchased with gold now, I just dont really know what I should buy. Also, should I invest precious silver in workshop to acquire the parts? Thank you so much! Lancelot - Avenger/Punisher Lancelot - Ancile/Taran Fury - Trident Inquisitor - Avenger/Orkan Kumiho - Orkan Use 20k gold to buy 2x Avenger - 5k Inquisitor - 7.5k Kumiho - 7.5k ->covers most ranges and roles ->should be viable in expert |
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Post by hyderier on Dec 8, 2018 12:27:47 GMT -5
but I can see that Galahad [...] are just punching bags now Once you can get some combination of Halo, Spark and Scourge/Corona/Pulsar/Ion for the Galahad, he's going to be a blast still. Especially with Pulsar+2xSpark, it has 600m range for all weapons, does lockdown, and can corner shoot... You can take on anything except Tridents, and usually keep your distance from Tulu Spectres etc. Quite viable for someone who doesn't want to spend unreasonable amounts of money on getting and upgrading the newer P2W bots. |
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Post by foxypotato on Dec 8, 2018 16:18:11 GMT -5
I think you are in great shape.
Old economy bots
Old economy weapons
A pile of gold
Play your existing hangar in your game mode of choice and grind some Ag. Use this Ag to aquire componet items you find interesting in the new workshop. Consider spending some gold on the heavy punisher, the Avenger, if it appeals to you.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Dec 8, 2018 16:34:23 GMT -5
Upgrade what you have as they will upgrade fast. If you are interested in new Bots/Weapons, I would advise trying them out in the X hanger or skirmish first to get used to the mechanics/layouts/skills of the bots first.
Anything new you buy will take ages to upgrade...
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Post by milty72 on Dec 8, 2018 17:41:17 GMT -5
Galahads are pretty good as a shotty build. Storm gust. Pick your fights. Run from rockets. Run away run away.
Ancilots oh yeah still the goods.
I run a Leadhose Leo. Avenger, punishers. Has it's place.
Lots of old bots still work well in masters and they're fun.
Just have fun out there and kill some reds and don't chase the carrot because you'll never catch it and it will only lead to disappointment.
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 11, 2018 6:42:29 GMT -5
Sticking my nose in here... With a whole wall of text
Galas are useful again... but you have to drop them when the rockets are less. In my league, .....every now and again... but I can't say that they should be a focus for a modern hangar. They are more for a fun (read Troll) side project in my mind... but if used well at Mk2 12 they are definitely deadly no matter what anyone says. I still typically ignore the Reds using them and count the Blues that use then as an empty player slot unless they prove I should act otherwise.
As far as bots are concerned... man... that is more of a style question. There are many options... some are universally thought of as needed while others are niche that one player may rave over while the other thinks is garbage.
So... what type of playing style do you enjoy/do best at?
Wow thanks man, incredibly detailed post about weapons, definitely help me to escape the confusion of so many weapons I have to deal with nowadays Usually I like mid range/brawler, I dont have anything that fire from more than 600m, but I dont do thunder carnage either. What would you think I should invest in the workshop now? |
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 11, 2018 7:33:00 GMT -5
So I have followed baibers’s advice to purchase falcon/avenger now, on its way to upgrade, it will replace my galahad in near future
What should I purchase next for my second combination?
Im thinking towards inquisitor or mercury but wondering which weapon to choose from, especially heavy one Ember or Redeemer? I figure I need brawler to kill and capture beacons as lance without ancile is very hard to survive now, this new bot will replace the DB Griffin
I will use workshop to get this new combination, I will get the heavy weapon first, once acquire it I will level it up, put it on my other lance while finishing up the robot in workshop
So any thought?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 11, 2018 10:45:40 GMT -5
So I have followed baibers’s advice to purchase falcon/avenger now, on its way to upgrade, it will replace my galahad in near future What should I purchase next for my second combination? Im thinking towards inquisitor or mercury but wondering which weapon to choose from, especially heavy one Ember or Redeemer? I figure I need brawler to kill and capture beacons as lance without ancile is very hard to survive now, this new bot will replace the DB Griffin I will use workshop to get this new combination, I will get the heavy weapon first, once acquire it I will level it up, put it on my other lance while finishing up the robot in workshop So any thought? What do you think about the Exodus? I have grown to love the Exodus+Orkan Inquisitor. It's the DB griffin reincarnated. |
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Post by fbixxx on Dec 11, 2018 10:52:06 GMT -5
So I have followed baibers’s advice to purchase falcon/avenger now, on its way to upgrade, it will replace my galahad in near future What should I purchase next for my second combination? Im thinking towards inquisitor or mercury but wondering which weapon to choose from, especially heavy one Ember or Redeemer? I figure I need brawler to kill and capture beacons as lance without ancile is very hard to survive now, this new bot will replace the DB Griffin I will use workshop to get this new combination, I will get the heavy weapon first, once acquire it I will level it up, put it on my other lance while finishing up the robot in workshop So any thought? What do you think about the Exodus? I have grown to love the Exodus+Orkan Inquisitor. It's the DB griffin reincarnated. That hasnt crossed my mine because I was thinking about weapons thst penetrate through energy shield since I see so many robots with energy shield now |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 11, 2018 10:54:46 GMT -5
What do you think about the Exodus? I have grown to love the Exodus+Orkan Inquisitor. It's the DB griffin reincarnated. That hasnt crossed my mine because I was thinking about weapons thst penetrate through energy shield since I see so many robots with energy shield now Fair enough... but I still get good results with it. TBH it's the only splash bot I have in my main hangar atm. It's become an anchor build for me. (*meaning, while I may change out other slots with different bots I leave that one alone).
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Dec 11, 2018 10:59:26 GMT -5
Exodus is good, high DPS. Be mindful that it has a different fire/reload rate than the Pinata & Orkan. But at full burst any combination of those 3 are usually good to take huge chunk of shield/health in 1 burst, and due to the different fire/reload times, if you get stuck brawling it usually is always firing instead of the normal "trickle" fire of running all the same burst weapon.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 11, 2018 20:03:52 GMT -5
So I have followed baibers’s advice to purchase falcon/avenger now, on its way to upgrade, it will replace my galahad in near future What should I purchase next for my second combination? Im thinking towards inquisitor or mercury but wondering which weapon to choose from, especially heavy one Ember or Redeemer? I figure I need brawler to kill and capture beacons as lance without ancile is very hard to survive now, this new bot will replace the DB Griffin I will use workshop to get this new combination, I will get the heavy weapon first, once acquire it I will level it up, put it on my other lance while finishing up the robot in workshop So any thought? Lots of great advice. I will add that you should get just one new thing at a time. it takes soooo long to upgrade the new stuff, that you might as well wait anyway. Falcon comes with a learning curve, patience is key and use fangs out sparingly. I’m running a falcon ember combo atm in champs, tough bot once you level it up. Keep that fangs out to a minimum, but sooo fun when you are one on one vs a taran specter and wait for him to unload. Fangs out and BOOM, bye bye specter before he can reload. Exodus is best for this, but expensive and long to upgrade. Thunders work just fine and you have em already. I like the option of tempest on mine. Can serve as LR bot but also decent enough for close up brawling in a pinch. Avenger as primary will work similar to ember, get in as close as possible and don’t fang out in a crowd. Some dismiss it, but leadhose lancelot is a very effective combo even in champs. Also, the upgrade time is still reasonable for machine guns. All lead Galahad could probably go pretty far as well while you consider saving for other options. level up your triden fury, effective all the way into champs Again, don’t buy anything else until you level up and get good with your falcon. Possibly my fav newer bot. And Tulus still have a place, maybe if you get a second hanger, a tulu doc. One of my fav older bots. Have fun and don’t sweat the new ever-changing meta of pix’s P2W business model. Final summary advice for your existing bots I would prob run: Tarancilot, trident fury, plasma Galahad, avenger/thunder falcon, DB griff, experiment w ork/Taran doc maybe and DB rog and eventually get an ember for falcon and some punisherT for Avengelot. as far as Ag goes, I have no way to advise. I played waaaay too much in earlier times and (even with all the new economy changes, including component conversions) I still have 1.7B in ag. In today’s world, I would probably prioritize upgrades of existing equipment over running WS for comps, if you have to choose. |
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