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Post by orionpax on Jul 13, 2018 17:07:50 GMT -5
So I came across a mk2 fury with mk2 fluxs on it last night. This build was insane.. If you haven't seen this yet that's definitely a good thing.. It makes shocktrains look like pea shooters..
With that said I want to build a bulwark and or weyland with fluxs on it..
What would you prefer on these bots and why.. Flux or Dragoon?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 17:12:19 GMT -5
Dragoons. Even two Dragoons are not optimal damage-wise in Champions League, and the Flux deals less damage, so...
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Post by orionpax on Jul 13, 2018 17:26:08 GMT -5
Hey poopface, I understand why you moved my post. It just seems as though tips and advice doesn't see traffic like general discussion does. I had a thread in tips and advice for 3 days with no hits. I moved it to general and had help within mins... anything we can do about this?
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Post by orionpax on Jul 13, 2018 17:28:38 GMT -5
Dragoons. Even two Dragoons are not optimal damage-wise in Champions League, and the Flux deals less damage, so... I don't think I will go into champs league. I'm gonna stay in masters... |
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Jul 13, 2018 17:44:43 GMT -5
I've never used Flux (Or Dragoon for that matter), but from what I've seen from teammates and enemies, it's exactly what it says, a giant Gekko, with an added scare tactic, if you're hit, your screen will vibrate as if you're being hit with a barrage of explosives and may make you a tad disoriented, but the downside is it's slow in terms of damage, but excels in large open areas where cover is very little, but in areas where there's a lot of cover and you need to keep moving, Dragoon is a better choice for burst damage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 17:49:00 GMT -5
Dragoons. Even two Dragoons are not optimal damage-wise in Champions League, and the Flux deals less damage, so... I don't think I will go into champs league. I'm gonna stay in masters... Champions or not, the Dragoon deals more damage. I would only use the Flux in a second hangar, specifically built for long range, if I had both weapons. |
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Post by go red on Jul 13, 2018 18:43:57 GMT -5
Everyone keep saying Dragoon is better with higher burst damage. Yes it does, but by a small margin.
At Lv12 Dragoon deals 34K dmg in 4s, whereas Flux deals 33.5k dmg in 5s. However, Flux has a slightly shorter reload time so the DPS for Flux is actually slightly higher than Dragoon (3.0K vs 2.8K). Also factor in the extra 500m for Flux I think Flux is a clear winner.
Disclaimer: I don't have both but I've tried both on Skirmish.
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Post by gonomicrowave on Jul 13, 2018 19:06:50 GMT -5
Everyone keep saying Dragoon is better with higher burst damage. Yes it does, but by a small margin. At Lv12 Dragoon deals 34K dmg in 4s, whereas Flux deals 33.5k dmg in 5s. However, Flux has a slightly shorter reload time so the DPS for Flux is actually slightly higher than Dragoon (3.0K vs 2.8K). Also factor in the extra 500m for Flux I think Flux is a clear winner. Disclaimer: I don't have both but I've tried both on Skirmish. I have both...Fluxes are easier to aim with as well. |
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Post by orionpax on Jul 13, 2018 19:07:06 GMT -5
Everyone keep saying Dragoon is better with higher burst damage. Yes it does, but by a small margin. At Lv12 Dragoon deals 34K dmg in 4s, whereas Flux deals 33.5k dmg in 5s. However, Flux has a slightly shorter reload time so the DPS for Flux is actually slightly higher than Dragoon (3.0K vs 2.8K). Also factor in the extra 500m for Flux I think Flux is a clear winner. Disclaimer: I don't have both but I've tried both on Skirmish. This is what I'm saying. It's also not like the gekko. It does not shoot a constant beam, at least not the one I saw. It would come in burst shots.. It was brutal.... And it was definitely a flux and not a Dragoon.. |
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Post by orionpax on Jul 13, 2018 19:08:41 GMT -5
I don't think I will go into champs league. I'm gonna stay in masters... Champions or not, the Dragoon deals more damage. I would only use the Flux in a second hangar, specifically built for long range, if I had both weapons. This build for me would be LR and in my 2nd hanger. |
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Post by orionpax on Jul 13, 2018 19:11:35 GMT -5
I've never used Flux (Or Dragoon for that matter), but from what I've seen from teammates and enemies, it's exactly what it says, a giant Gekko, with an added scare tactic, if you're hit, your screen will vibrate as if you're being hit with a barrage of explosives and may make you a tad disoriented, but the downside is it's slow in terms of damage, but excels in large open areas where cover is very little, but in areas where there's a lot of cover and you need to keep moving, Dragoon is a better choice for burst damage. The one I ran into last night would take half my HP on a lvl 10 bulg In One shot. It was most definitely not slow, but Instant. |
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Post by go red on Jul 13, 2018 19:33:54 GMT -5
Everyone keep saying Dragoon is better with higher burst damage. Yes it does, but by a small margin. At Lv12 Dragoon deals 34K dmg in 4s, whereas Flux deals 33.5k dmg in 5s. However, Flux has a slightly shorter reload time so the DPS for Flux is actually slightly higher than Dragoon (3.0K vs 2.8K). Also factor in the extra 500m for Flux I think Flux is a clear winner. Disclaimer: I don't have both but I've tried both on Skirmish. This is what I'm saying. It's also not like the gekko. It does not shoot a constant beam, at least not the one I saw. It would come in burst shots.. It was brutal.... And it was definitely a flux and not a Dragoon.. The experience on Skirmish tells me the Flux is indeed a giant Gekko, if it's burst shot then either it's empty like Gekko or not Flux at all. Maybe a Trebuchet or Ballista? |
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Post by orionpax on Jul 13, 2018 20:25:24 GMT -5
This is what I'm saying. It's also not like the gekko. It does not shoot a constant beam, at least not the one I saw. It would come in burst shots.. It was brutal.... And it was definitely a flux and not a Dragoon.. The experience on Skirmish tells me the Flux is indeed a giant Gekko, if it's burst shot then either it's empty like Gekko or not Flux at all. Maybe a Trebuchet or Ballista? Pretty sure it was empty.. even then it did some serious damage. I'll post a pic when I get to my ipad. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 13, 2018 21:59:01 GMT -5
I was underwhelmed by the Flux when it came up in Hangar X. But, anything Mk2 mas will be scary powerful. I use Dragoon a lot. I'm quite proud of my Dragoon Fury. Bot 8, weapons 9. But, there are times I wish I had just a bit more range. Even at 600m, there's plenty of things that can hurt you bad. Flux has the advantage of range, but at the same time, you have to choose your targets carefully and go for the ones that are out in the open.
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Post by maverick on Jul 13, 2018 22:11:42 GMT -5
No idea it will be years before I get and level flux, if I ever do. With the new economy I doubt I ever will.
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Jul 14, 2018 0:32:06 GMT -5
I've never used Flux (Or Dragoon for that matter), but from what I've seen from teammates and enemies, it's exactly what it says, a giant Gekko, with an added scare tactic, if you're hit, your screen will vibrate as if you're being hit with a barrage of explosives and may make you a tad disoriented, but the downside is it's slow in terms of damage, but excels in large open areas where cover is very little, but in areas where there's a lot of cover and you need to keep moving, Dragoon is a better choice for burst damage. The one I ran into last night would take half my HP on a lvl 10 bulg In One shot. It was most definitely not slow, but Instant. I meant slow when compared to Dragoon. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 14, 2018 1:12:06 GMT -5
So I came across a mk2 fury with mk2 fluxs on it last night. This build was insane.. If you haven't seen this yet that's definitely a good thing.. It makes shocktrains look like pea shooters.. With that said I want to build a bulwark and or weyland with fluxs on it.. What would you prefer on these bots and why.. Flux or Dragoon? I'd definitely go Dragoon on either of those Bots. Dragoon does more damage, and has a better firing pattern. Flux has a range advantage, but Bulwark and Weyland are both best in close or mid range. Save the Flux for a Sniper build like Fury. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 4:00:13 GMT -5
Everyone keep saying Dragoon is better with higher burst damage. Yes it does, but by a small margin. At Lv12 Dragoon deals 34K dmg in 4s, whereas Flux deals 33.5k dmg in 5s. However, Flux has a slightly shorter reload time so the DPS for Flux is actually slightly higher than Dragoon (3.0K vs 2.8K). Also factor in the extra 500m for Flux I think Flux is a clear winner. Disclaimer: I don't have both but I've tried both on Skirmish. This is what I'm saying. It's also not like the gekko. It does not shoot a constant beam, at least not the one I saw. It would come in burst shots.. It was brutal.... And it was definitely a flux and not a Dragoon.. No, the Flux is EXACTLY like a Gekko (in terms of firing mechanic). If you have been hit by short bursts, it was a Dragoon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 4:13:42 GMT -5
Everyone keep saying Dragoon is better with higher burst damage. Yes it does, but by a small margin. At Lv12 Dragoon deals 34K dmg in 4s, whereas Flux deals 33.5k dmg in 5s. However, Flux has a slightly shorter reload time so the DPS for Flux is actually slightly higher than Dragoon (3.0K vs 2.8K). Also factor in the extra 500m for Flux I think Flux is a clear winner. Disclaimer: I don't have both but I've tried both on Skirmish. A L12 Dragoon deals 42.500 dmg in 5s, and it's a clear winner compared to the Flux (33.500). The difference in reload time is negligible, it's almost the same. Moreover, the Dragoon shots single, powerful energy projectiles: most of the time you will only hit with one or two of them (= for 1 or 2 seconds) meaning that the Flux is not as efficient as numbers suggest. The Flux is excellent in super long range, open maps (Canyon, maybe Springfield, Yamantau) as a anti-midrangers platform, but if you have only one hangar the Dragoon is clearly the better choice (especially if you only want to use 2!). P.s.: Skirmish counts zero. You can't judge a weapon if you use it against people in Private and Bronze/Silver League. Champions League is completely different. |
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Post by snk on Jul 14, 2018 9:58:21 GMT -5
I will choose Flux, but Dragoon is still a beast. according to wiki, warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Fluxwarrobots.wikia.com/wiki/DragoonLevel 12 Flux has 33500 cycle damage with 11 seconds reload, 5 seconds unload, 1100m Range Level 12 Dragoon 34000 cycle damage with 12 seconds reload, 4 seconds unload, 600m Range Burst: Dragoon better first ~6 seconds, then Flux overtakes Dragoon unload 34000 in 4 seconds (2 more shot in 6 seconds) Flux unload 33500 in 5 seconds (~ 3 more shot in 8 second due to its slightly faster reload) Potential max Damage: Flux Win slightly. Dragoon 34000 in 12 seconds Flux 33500 in 11 seconds Range: Flux clear winner. In conclusion, they are pretty close in damage, but Flux Win in range. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 14, 2018 13:23:33 GMT -5
Try both on test server
Both are excellent
Dragoon has more load-out versatility
But Flux is powerful LR
I wanted both so got Dragoon, and settled on a Flux Gekko Leo as I found that experience more fun than a Flux Fury. Cheaper too!
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Post by kevmac on Jul 14, 2018 19:05:51 GMT -5
Is one Dragoon worth using?
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 14, 2018 22:16:34 GMT -5
Is one Dragoon worth using? I use one on Strider in Champ and kill things with it, just takes longer than three. Some people I know run it very effectively with Scourge on Inquisitor. I’m waiting for my Sparks to upgrade so I can do Dragoon Spark Strider |
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Post by linearblade on Jul 15, 2018 20:52:23 GMT -5
I typed this long message, but In the end, here’s the reality:
Even two dragoons mounted on a raijin or 3 on a fury is enough for you to layout spectres and haechi very rapidly. And this is critical because both bots only give you a 1-2 second window before you get hit with 4000 orkans.
In addition a dragoon can pinch hit at being a redeemer at short range while also a godly pecker at mid.
A flux cannot do either of these. It’s just a big troll gun. I love my Death Star Patton. But it’s still just a troll. A fury flux is just a big fat Death Star who grabs his nuts when he dies
The goons deliver.
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Post by SuperHero on Jul 15, 2018 20:57:11 GMT -5
I typed this long message, but In the end, here’s the reality: Even two dragoons mounted on a raijin or 3 on a fury is enough for you to layout spectres and haechi very rapidly. And this is critical because both bots only give you a 1-2 second window before you get hit with 4000 orkans. In addition a dragoon can pinch hit at being a redeemer at short range while also a godly pecker at mid. A flux cannot do either of these. It’s just a big troll gun. I love my Death Star Patton. But it’s still just a troll. A fury flux is just a big fat Death Star who grabs his nuts when he dies The goons deliver. In he main I agree with this. If you can only pick one, go with the dragoons. but if you have the resources for multiple hamgars and can run a long range hangar, then Flux can be a better option for that. I’ve broken a million with just a Flux Fury on Yamatau. It’s highly situational and probably not for everyone, but it has its uses. I would pick the Flux over the treb right now, especially for Yama and SF |
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Post by kellhound2002 on Jul 16, 2018 19:36:07 GMT -5
I would go with Flux. Here's my reasoning. With dragoons, at 600 meters you out range most other weapons and deliver a considerable amount of burst damage. But at that range you're also a target for scourge, zeus and other dragoons. And with scourge builds being very common in higher leagues it becomes a matter of which player can damage the other first, who's better at using cover. With Flux you out range everything except for trebs. And your DPS, though slightly lower than dragoons, is still pretty high for a long range weapon. It's easy to aim and is much more forgiving than trebs if you miss a shot. I've even seen a Flux Fury doing some light brawling with a slightly damaged haechi and coming out the winner. In the end it'll come down to whatever works for you, try both and see what you like.
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Post by spartan44 on Jul 18, 2018 6:29:40 GMT -5
I run a 12/12/12 fury flux. It is simply the most brutal bot I've ever run. I get over 1 million damage with this bot alone at least once per day. My high score using this bot alone is 1,650,000. There are VERY few flux fury running around and next to none are leveled past 9. It changes the entire battlefield dynamics. People don't wanna stick there head out and they stay in cover way to long. I once pinned down 3 guys for one minute while my team steamrolled the beacons.
Dragoon bots? I stack them up like sandbags. They are just free silver for me. They step out of cover twice. The third time they get sent too Valhalla.
On long maps. I remove 85k hp from most unshielded bots long before they reach the hot zone. My team does the rest.
I really don't want the secret to get out. The leveled flux fury is straight up Jack the Ripper. I shudder to think what mk2 will do. 105k in 4 sec to be exact. Nasty, nasty bot.
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Post by Loganspawn on Jul 18, 2018 10:19:01 GMT -5
Just run them both you will like them........  |
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Post by spartan44 on Jul 18, 2018 10:35:06 GMT -5
Hey Logan. I think we played against each other on Canyon a few days ago. I remember your flux fury. I was shocked to see another one. Yours is one of a handful I've seen. It wasn't fun being on the receiving end of "big blue" that's for sure. I got a taste of my own medicine. Lol
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Post by ystava on Sept 1, 2018 20:24:14 GMT -5
Anti flux crowd is hilarious. My flux fury eats dragoon whatever all the live long day in champ.
That being said, dragoon fury is a mighty platform that can lock down travel lanes.f
Comparing the weapons is dumb as they have entirely different purposes.
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