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Post by karlhungus on Nov 25, 2017 6:12:16 GMT -5
So click bait aside I do have a point.
You cannot tank in War Robots. So being the best tank means nothing if it only buys you 1s extra. Fatty is too slow to escape a volley of rockets whereas dash is just perfect. There's a reason why ancilots aren't in legend league hangers anymore and it's because damage and mobility are now all that matters. The ancilot has neither.
I'm pissed having started only a few months back and having spent a little money on a Lance, levelling it and it's beautiful skin to now know that I will drop it as soon as I get my event bulg.
It's a dangerous tell of the state of the game. The only new content that has value is that which does more damage and when we're dying in 3-5s already shocktrain is no surprise. The only thing next is killing multiple people at a time in 3-5s.
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Post by The VVatcher on Nov 25, 2017 6:52:30 GMT -5
Oh it'll happen to dashbots too some day
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 25, 2017 7:02:15 GMT -5
How much time do people have to be able to count on "event" anythings? I have never completed an event, even the one I was home sick for.
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Post by hyderier on Nov 25, 2017 7:16:40 GMT -5
In FB gameroom, level 9 Ancilot still works wonders.
Never got one for Android, and most likely never will.
But, don't spend money on anything in War Robots, if you expect something for your money. Only two ways to avoid being disappointed: don't spend, or don't expect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 8:55:19 GMT -5
I do not agree, I'm in Expert 1 and my Ancilot is my best bot, infact I would like to buy a second one. You just need to learn how to use it, because you can't stay out in the open and take damage like you were invincible. You have to stay as near as possible to covers and cornershoot as much as you can. Moreover, you should avoid DB if they have full ammo.
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Post by fatdogmagic on Nov 25, 2017 9:51:42 GMT -5
My Ancilot still does really well for me. I'm not in Champions but it does its job in Masters on Android.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Nov 25, 2017 10:04:14 GMT -5
In champ Ancilots and Dashes are the game changers....The teams that win steam roll with some combination of the 2..Mk2 these things and you are basically unstoppable.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Nov 25, 2017 10:17:26 GMT -5
If the Ancilot isnt working for you it is the way you play it. Even with Dash Bots everywhere the plasma Ancilot is still very usable and when used in pairs ( its called teamwork) They can take down most any loadout. I always keep at least one on hangar all the time. IMHO its still one of the best rigs to capture a well protected beacon and be able to hold it.
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Post by SuperHero on Nov 25, 2017 10:28:21 GMT -5
Firstly: We aren't fans of click-bait Secondly: As GuitarGuy just said, playstyle and tactical awareness are so important when using the Ancilot. Thirdly: Please clarify that the "tanking" you are talking about is the RPG version and not the NBA/War Robots version? LOL. "Tanking" is a touchy subject in these parts and the context is thus important. LOL
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Post by Thunderkiss on Nov 25, 2017 10:39:52 GMT -5
Firstly: We aren't fans of click-bait Secondly: As GuitarGuy just said, playstyle and tactical awareness are so important when using the Ancilot. Thirdly: Please clarify that the "tanking" you are talking about is the RPG version and not the NBA/War Robots version? LOL. "Tanking" is a touchy subject in these parts and the context is thus important. LOL He's talking about mmo style tanking, which the ancilot still performs fine.
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 25, 2017 10:54:06 GMT -5
You can be a tank in War Robots and the Ancilot is still the best option for that, being the only build able to absorb all types of damage and still have a decent damage output.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 25, 2017 11:04:29 GMT -5
Just because you check hangars and see mostly Dash only means you saw the particular set up they had going at that moment. There are still a lot of Lance in Champion League used to great effect.
And if you think Bulg is more powerful than Lance and is protected from rockets, you’re about to be sorely disappointed. Bulg is awesome, but it is killed quick by Orkans, Rdbs, and Trident, and has no option for Ancile. I have both robots in, and I have faced both senario. 9x outta 10, when these two face off, Lance wins. That is my experience with the encounter from both points of view.
But, if you don’t like Lance, don’t run it. You’re suppose to be having fun, remember?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 11:05:42 GMT -5
I still drive a tânk in War Robots. I think they're better in the early parts of some games, since the big guns don't come out yet. If you are a tânk and there are planes dive bombing you from every where, that's not very good. But some maps, lots of Zeus Fury and RDB Griffins start the match, so driving tânk is good.
It takes more skill to use this and other bots against the Kbots. I rarely have Bulgogi or Haechi jump inside my shield anymore. But MK2 Orkans hurt too much now. I will have to up my Ancile and bot to counter, but it should be fine as before to catch up.
My plasma Galahad die too vs 1-on-1 against plasma Haechi. I have to do the math, but I think he broke thru my shield and got me while I take only 1/2 his HP off. Galahad is Level 10 vs MK2 Tarans and MK2 Haechi. It feels the same when my Gold1 smurf account at 7/8 gear against Experts with 11/11 or max L12 stuff. Well, the old max. But Experts are not good so my bots can take them on at a severe disadvantage.
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 25, 2017 11:25:51 GMT -5
I do not agree, I'm in Expert 1 and my Ancilot is my best bot, infact I would like to buy a second one. You just need to learn how to use it, because you can't stay out in the open and take damage like you are invincible. You have to stay as near as possible to covers and cornershoot as much as you can. Moreover, you should avoid DB if they have full ammo. And while said ancilot hides in cover corner shooting with one gun the haechi has crossed the map, capped the point and delivered 3 orkans full of joy into your bubble. Yes you can keep an ancilot alive a long time but I've never seen a game where someone doing this is making the winning contribution to their team. Perhaps it's because I only play BR though which makes avoiding things harder.
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 25, 2017 11:27:58 GMT -5
My Ancilot still does really well for me. I'm not in Champions but it does its job in Masters on Android. Masters is champions as far as MM is concerned.
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 25, 2017 11:37:07 GMT -5
In champ Ancilots and Dashes are the game changers....The teams that win steam roll with some combination of the 2..Mk2 these things and you are basically unstoppable. Mk2 ember fury disagrees. Maybe I play in the wrong TZ but I see nearly no lances. Nearly everything is dash. I'm also not putting it beyond pix to match me against such opposition knowing I don't mind spending. But yeah if someone on the other team has less than three haechi/bulg it's the exception not the rule.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 11:41:41 GMT -5
Just because you check hangars and see mostly Dash only means you saw the particular set up they had going at that moment. There are still a lot of Lance in Champion League used to great effect. And if you think Bulg is more powerful than Lance and is protected from rockets, you’re about to be sorely disappointed. Bulg is awesome, but it is killed quick by Orkans, Rdbs, and Trident, and has no option for Ancile. I have both robots in, and I have faced both senario. 9x outta 10, when these two face off, Lance wins. That is my experience with the encounter from both points of view. But, if you don’t like Lance, don’t run it. You’re suppose to be having fun, remember? Legacy hanger does very well against the Bulgogi. I have RDB Griffin that has feast. They are walking bags of $$. You can single fire the 500m rockets. Most will use their large health pool like Raijin, and tânk the dmg. But I rarely see any good Bulgogil players who will do the right move, so I don't even bother single firing my 500m rockets unless I know they are good. Lancelot is still the backbone of Champion squad army. They are the slow heavily armoured shock troops. Kbots cannot make a push for a beacon. They die too easily out in the open, so most will hide and play a game of whack-a-mole to gain their advantage. For that reason, Bulgogi will be the last bot played by a Kbot hanger, as the shield is really, really strong. They can advance towards enemy positions with their shield facing them. But this blinds them, and I leave my RDB for last, so this is a rock-paper-scissors. So some still use a Lancelot instead as it is easier and breaks the rock-paper-scissor model. So this is like poker and what is the 5th card played. The hope is that their is no other counter since players have burned their other 4 bots. So a RDB that can easily counter the endgame Bulgogi, will be useless against Ancilot. A plasma build like Griffin or Rogatka that can counter Haechi (not easily, but still doable by skilled pilot) will be pretty ineffective against the Ancilot. Same with Orkans. Like poker, the only way to beat the Ace is to have a pair. So 2 plasma builds or 2 Orkan builds or 2 RDB builds can take down Ancilot. If you enjoy gambling with Blackjack, then you need to double-down to beat the Ancilot. So Ancilot will still be used as the 5th card to play. It really has the fewest counters compared to any other bot. So it's the strongest bot still. I look at the Whale clans, and they have at least a few Ancilots in their line up, most likely for this reason.
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 25, 2017 11:50:50 GMT -5
If the Ancilot isnt working for you it is the way you play it. Even with Dash Bots everywhere the plasma Ancilot is still very usable and when used in pairs ( its called teamwork) They can take down most any loadout. I always keep at least one on hangar all the time. IMHO its still one of the best rigs to capture a well protected beacon and be able to hold it. Teamwork applies to all the other bots too ya know! Try six loads of orkans and count the seconds your ancilots survive. It's a false comparison as the vast majority are playing solo.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Nov 25, 2017 12:15:33 GMT -5
If the Ancilot isnt working for you it is the way you play it. Even with Dash Bots everywhere the plasma Ancilot is still very usable and when used in pairs ( its called teamwork) They can take down most any loadout. I always keep at least one on hangar all the time. IMHO its still one of the best rigs to capture a well protected beacon and be able to hold it. Teamwork applies to all the other bots too ya know! Try six loads of orkans and count the seconds your ancilots survive. It's a false comparison as the vast majority are playing solo. Agreed. Teamwork is everything. Even solo. If your not pairing up with a bot that complements yours when you leave spawn, your doing it wrong. When you advance to the upper leagues players always do this and work in groups even solo. Generally if someone thinks a Ancilelot is garbage its because there thinking there Rambo and can charge into center by themselves and get mad when 3 bots in red wreck them. Further, If your getting hit by 6 orks at once then you need to ask yourself, "why did I just approach 2 Haechis by myself?"
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 25, 2017 12:20:43 GMT -5
Teamwork applies to all the other bots too ya know! Try six loads of orkans and count the seconds your ancilots survive. It's a false comparison as the vast majority are playing solo. Agreed. Teamwork is everything. Even solo. If your not pairing up with a bot that complements yours when you leave spawn, your doing it wrong. When you advance to the upper leagues players always do this and work in groups even solo. Generally if someone thinks a Ancilelot is garbage its because there thinking there Rambo and can charge into center by themselves and get mad when 3 bots in red wreck them. Further, If your getting hit by 6 orks at once then you need to ask yourself, "why did I just approach 2 Haechis by myself?" I would've expected someone on this forum with as many posts as yourself to have figured out the whole quoting thing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 12:27:42 GMT -5
If the Ancilot isnt working for you it is the way you play it. Even with Dash Bots everywhere the plasma Ancilot is still very usable and when used in pairs ( its called teamwork) They can take down most any loadout. I always keep at least one on hangar all the time. IMHO its still one of the best rigs to capture a well protected beacon and be able to hold it. I have a legacy hanger still (working on collecting all the Pokeman! erhh new bots), so I consider my Galahad my best fighter. It requires more skill to use legacy fighters, but I find it still can hold its own against the hordes of Kbot MK2 clans. I can usually beat unskilled Haechi pilots or skilled Haechi pilots that don't know how to fight my Galahad. Galahad has always been counters to all forms of Lancelots. I can kite DB Griffins and easily beat plasma Griffins. Only bots I don't like to face is the Bulgogi with my Galahad. I run away from other counters that can kill me. Ancilot is still good, but against the current Kbot infestation, I prefer my Galahad to counter them in general. I have higher chance of surviving and beating them with my Galahad, especially since I solo more and don't really (can't really more like it) team up with randos since they are all camping. So I am in the front lines by myself protecting beacons, and trying to capture them. When my team does decide to push beacons, they mostly clump up in a big ball so the battlefield changes quickly. They won't spawn on contested beacons, so they let them fall to the reds, while I usually will spawn in and see I get no help. At the very least I will try to hold the line and prevent multiple reds from advancing. I don't like to join the big blue death ball unless I am on my last bot, so that someone can hold a flank other wise my team will have only 1 or maybe 2 beacons and the red Kbots can easily capture the rest, so I am the one facing them alone.
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Post by ogpondskum on Nov 25, 2017 12:43:06 GMT -5
I do not agree, I'm in Expert 1 and my Ancilot is my best bot, infact I would like to buy a second one. You just need to learn how to use it, because you can't stay out in the open and take damage like you are invincible. You have to stay as near as possible to covers and cornershoot as much as you can. Moreover, you should avoid DB if they have full ammo. And while said ancilot hides in cover corner shooting with one gun the haechi has crossed the map, capped the point and delivered 3 orkans full of joy into your bubble. Yes you can keep an ancilot alive a long time but I've never seen a game where someone doing this is making the winning contribution to their team. Perhaps it's because I only play BR though which makes avoiding things harder. I'm in Champion on Android and I still see a lot of Ancilots and I use mine as a mid game beacon capper and I've taken out many Dash bots with it. The Bulg is semi easy to deal with, just make sure you are aiming at the left edge of the target reticle as this will help you shoot past the shield. The Heachi and Kumi can be defeated if you keep your rush mode for the right time and anticipate where the bot is going to be. Is it slow? Yes, but played right it can be a game changer until you come up against karlhungus's triple ember fury. I can't say it was him but my ancilot was turned into a marshmallow before rush could get me behind cover.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 13:12:23 GMT -5
And while said ancilot hides in cover corner shooting with one gun the haechi has crossed the map, capped the point and delivered 3 orkans full of joy into your bubble. Yes you can keep an ancilot alive a long time but I've never seen a game where someone doing this is making the winning contribution to their team. Perhaps it's because I only play BR though which makes avoiding things harder. I'm in Champion on Android and I still see a lot of Ancilots and I use mine as a mid game beacon capper and I've taken out many Dash bots with it. The Bulg is semi easy to deal with, just make sure you are aiming at the left edge of the target reticle as this will help you shoot past the shield. The Heachi and Kumi can be defeated if you keep your rush mode for the right time and anticipate where the bot is going to be. Is it slow? Yes, but played right it can be a game changer until you come up against karlhungus 's triple ember fury. I can't say it was him but my ancilot was turned into a marshmallow before rush could get me behind cover. I would say the diversity at the top is pretty large today, and greater than the Ancilot era in general. You could run 5 Taran Ancilots. Now, I see: 1 Taran Bulgogi or Taran Ancilot 1 Ember platform (Carnage, Fury w Ancile, Inquisitor) 1 Shocktrain platform (usually Haechi) 2 other knifer Kbots (either 2 Orkan Haechis, 2 Taran Haechis, or 1/1 Orkan/Taran Haechi) Ember to deal with Ancilots and clear beacons. Shocktrain to decimate enemy lines. Knifer Kbots for general fighting. Bulgogi or Ancilot for last resort. There are other used combos, but this is a Whale hanger. So legacy hanger has Zeus Fury, etc. Of course, each person in a clan is different, so it's not like there will be 6 Bulgogis in a squad. Or 6 Inquisitors, or 6 Ancilots overall in a squad. But having 4 of each more/less is still pretty significant numbers. I would prefer having some Griffins around for that reason. Most of the attack angles of Kbots are pretty well defined, but only the chaos of having 6 Kbots on the field can mask their movements, otherwise pretty predictable and I use the same strategy so my cross hair is on them when they pop out. I think once Champions figure this out, Griffins might get more play as their attack vectors are more unpredictable. They literally swoop out of the sky, hence their name.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 13:21:45 GMT -5
My Ancilot still does really well for me. I'm not in Champions but it does its job in Masters on Android. Masters is champions as far as MM is concerned. There are nuances between the different Masters subtiers, so Master 3 is a bit easier than Master 2. So some do get stuck, and don't advance straight to Champion once they crack the Expert Wall. But yes, a lot of times, there are unbalanced teams and it doesn't matter. Now, Master player is a legacy hanger at max (level12 or 11 sometimes). The more skilled legacy players can stay in Champion with L12 gear and no Kbots.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 25, 2017 15:05:11 GMT -5
I do not agree, I'm in Expert 1 and my Ancilot is my best bot, infact I would like to buy a second one. You just need to learn how to use it, because you can't stay out in the open and take damage like you are invincible. You have to stay as near as possible to covers and cornershoot as much as you can. Moreover, you should avoid DB if they have full ammo. And while said ancilot hides in cover corner shooting with one gun the haechi has crossed the map, capped the point and delivered 3 orkans full of joy into your bubble. Yes you can keep an ancilot alive a long time but I've never seen a game where someone doing this is making the winning contribution to their team. Perhaps it's because I only play BR though which makes avoiding things harder. an Ancilot is a great teamwork-oriented setup, if the Ancilot pilot and his/her teammates are willing to make the synergy. here is an example, a Beacon Ruch battle in Springfiled. the battlefield was so filled with mid-rangers and well defended, to the level that made me considering not to drop the next bot and wait. then I saw a blue Ancilot dropping at the farm (E) beacon and followed him/her with my Thunder Carn: link to the video (720p)sorry for no audio. the screen capture somehow didn't pick up the sound. anyways, you can see the Ancilot served as a great tanker here, eventually broke the enemy defence together with me (I think I even used the enemy Ancilot as a shield as well at one point). as soon as the center (D) turned blue, four teammates (including me) respawned there to solidify it. we never looked back from there. I don't run an Ancilot, but always use a teammate Ancilot as a shield whenever one is available. Dashbots are harder to work together with. they are definitely not tanker-type,
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Post by ogpondskum on Nov 25, 2017 15:30:19 GMT -5
And while said ancilot hides in cover corner shooting with one gun the haechi has crossed the map, capped the point and delivered 3 orkans full of joy into your bubble. Yes you can keep an ancilot alive a long time but I've never seen a game where someone doing this is making the winning contribution to their team. Perhaps it's because I only play BR though which makes avoiding things harder. an Ancilot is a great teamwork-oriented setup, if the Ancilot pilot and his/her teammates are willing to make the synergy. here is an example, a Beacon Ruch battle in Springfiled. the battlefield was so filled with mid-rangers and well defended, to the level that made me considering not to drop the next bot and wait. then I saw a blue Ancilot dropping at the farm (E) beacon and followed him/her with my Thunder Carn: link to the video (720p)sorry for no audio. the screen capture somehow didn't pick up the sound. anyways, you can see the Ancilot served as a great tanker here, eventually broke the enemy defence together with me (I think I even used the enemy Ancilot as a shield as well at one point). as soon as the center (D) turned blue, four teammates (including me) respawned there to soldify it. we never looked back from there. I don't run an Ancilot, but always use a teammate Ancilot as a shield whenever one is available. Dashbots are harder to work together with. they are definitely not tanker-type, While I did not watch the video, I've done this many times in my lance and it works well. The only challenge I've faced doing this is when the player behind me is not watching when I want to back up and run for cover and I die. That being said, it's still a great strategy.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 25, 2017 15:33:56 GMT -5
So click bait aside I do have a point. You cannot tank in War Robots. So being the best tank means nothing if it only buys you 1s extra. Fatty is too slow to escape a volley of rockets whereas dash is just perfect. There's a reason why ancilots aren't in legend league hangers anymore and it's because damage and mobility are now all that matters. The ancilot has neither. I'm pissed having started only a few months back and having spent a little money on a Lance, levelling it and it's beautiful skin to now know that I will drop it as soon as I get my event bulg. It's a dangerous tell of the state of the game. The only new content that has value is that which does more damage and when we're dying in 3-5s already shocktrain is no surprise. The only thing next is killing multiple people at a time in 3-5s. You are complaining about what exactly? You spent a few bucks on your Ancilot and you're complaining that none of them are run in Legend League? Chances you'll run in Legends League without spending 10x or 100x of what you spent are pretty slim. The game is 99% P2W at the top. And frankly, I have seen a few Legend League battles on Youtube and I hope I'll never get there. The battles with only Dash bots zipping around and bots getting roasted by Ember or zapped by Mk2 Shocktrain behind cover are just weird and annoying IMO. So unless you do spend the big bucks, you'll be just fine with an Ancilot as others have stated. For some reason, the perception is that Ancilot requires zero skill. This is not true. I see bad Ancilot piloting every day. You can be too defensive, as you stated, and end up playing it for 8 minutes hiding behind a wall and firing away with a single Taran. Which is not effective. Or many folks are too optimistic and pay dearly for it. If played right, Ancilot can shift the balance of the game, lead an attack or push for beacon, or hold a position against two or three reds for a while.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 25, 2017 15:37:25 GMT -5
I do not agree, I'm in Expert 1 and my Ancilot is my best bot, infact I would like to buy a second one. You just need to learn how to use it, because you can't stay out in the open and take damage like you are invincible. You have to stay as near as possible to covers and cornershoot as much as you can. Moreover, you should avoid DB if they have full ammo. And while said ancilot hides in cover corner shooting with one gun the haechi has crossed the map, capped the point and delivered 3 orkans full of joy into your bubble. Yes you can keep an ancilot alive a long time but I've never seen a game where someone doing this is making the winning contribution to their team. Perhaps it's because I only play BR though which makes avoiding things harder. and here is another example, if you want a case with a lot of red Dash bots: link to the video (720p)EDIT: if there is an Ember bot among the red, it would be a different story. luckily, Ember is a heavy weapon and can be effectively carried by only either slow (Fury, Lance) or fragile (Carnage) bots. so they are easier to dealing with other bots, if not an Ancilot. in that case, an Ancilot will be the one being protected by something elses - faster DB carriers, plasma bots, or blue mid-rangers,
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 25, 2017 17:06:49 GMT -5
And while said ancilot hides in cover corner shooting with one gun the haechi has crossed the map, capped the point and delivered 3 orkans full of joy into your bubble. Yes you can keep an ancilot alive a long time but I've never seen a game where someone doing this is making the winning contribution to their team. Perhaps it's because I only play BR though which makes avoiding things harder. and here is another example, if you want a case with a lot of red Dash bots: link to the video (720p)EDIT: if there is an Ember bot among the red, it would be a different story. luckily, Ember is a heavy weapon and can be effectively carried by only either slow (Fury, Lance) or fragile (Carnage) bots. so they are easier to dealing with other bots, if not an Ancilot. in that case, an Ancilot will be the one being protected by something elses - faster DB carriers, plasma bots, or blue mid-rangers, I don't get it. I see one half dead noob in a haechi suicide charge a rhino and ancilot. A decent haechi would hammer away at them from behind the circular cover near the beacon barely giving them opportunity to return fire. This looks like gold league and nothing like what I see.
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 25, 2017 17:24:57 GMT -5
You are complaining about what exactly? You spent a few bucks on your Ancilot and you're complaining that none of them are run in Legend League? Chances you'll run in Legends League without spending 10x or 100x of what you spent are pretty slim. The game is 99% P2W at the top. I'm not complaining at all. I'm observing that given a choice no player capable of fielding a DIES hangar would bother with an ancilot, a meta robot available at f2p level. I believe this is because the most effective form of tanking is now DPS tanking (it can't hurt you if you kill it) and therefore robots that don't conform to this new standard are sub par. I might be a little grumpy I'm planning to shelve it as I think it's a beautiful bot.
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