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Post by rusty on Nov 25, 2017 18:10:59 GMT -5
It is just a game of tag. Interesting game but just a game
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Post by inspirace on Nov 25, 2017 18:19:17 GMT -5
and here is another example, if you want a case with a lot of red Dash bots: link to the video (720p)EDIT: if there is an Ember bot among the red, it would be a different story. luckily, Ember is a heavy weapon and can be effectively carried by only either slow (Fury, Lance) or fragile (Carnage) bots. so they are easier to dealing with other bots, if not an Ancilot. in that case, an Ancilot will be the one being protected by something elses - faster DB carriers, plasma bots, or blue mid-rangers, I don't get it. I see one half dead noob in a haechi suicide charge a rhino and ancilot. A decent haechi would hammer away at them from behind the circular cover near the beacon barely giving them opportunity to return fire. This looks like gold league and nothing like what I see. this is not a gold league, rather it's an over-confident Champ squad from a clan playing somewhat carelessly against opponents (us) with less expensive hangars. and the red Haechi was caught by a respawning blue Ancilot, dropping from thin air. without the respawning Ancilot protecting me, my Rhino should have been toasted in a second. the Haechi's mistake was to dash into the enemy's spawn without second thinking, but he might not care much since he likely had many more of them waiting in his hangar. and the point was not the killing of the red Haechi, but the next step where this Ancilot playing a tanker's role while capturing the side beacon against multiple red Dashes and mid-rangers. I tried to give a couple examples since you stated that you never saw an Ancilot "making the winning contribution to their team". well, sorry that I don't have an example of what you usually see. I haven't yet collected many recording examples from matches against full Champ full Dash hangars. |
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Nov 25, 2017 19:02:19 GMT -5
I swapped out my tarancilot for an ember/ancile raijin and the extra health makes a huge difference!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 19:32:06 GMT -5
I don't get it. I see one half dead noob in a haechi suicide charge a rhino and ancilot. A decent haechi would hammer away at them from behind the circular cover near the beacon barely giving them opportunity to return fire. This looks like gold league and nothing like what I see. this is not a gold league, rather it's an over-confident Champ squad from a clan playing somewhat carelessly against opponents (us) with less expensive hangars. and the red Haechi was caught by a respawning blue Ancilot, dropping from thin air. without the respawning Ancilot protecting me, my Rhino should have been toasted in a second. the Haechi's mistake was to dash into the enemy's spawn without second thinking, but he might not care much since he likely had many more of them waiting in his hangar. and the point was not the killing of the red Haechi, but the next step where this Ancilot playing a tanker's role while capturing the side beacon against multiple red Dashes and mid-rangers. I tried to give a couple examples since you stated that you never saw an Ancilot "making the winning contribution to their team". well, sorry that I don't have an example of what you usually see. I haven't yet collected many recording examples from matches against full Champ full Dash hangars. MM has reverted back to state sponsored seal clubbing. Yesterday and today, my 3 person squad of Experts faced Whale clan after Whale clan. (Yeah, I dropped back to Expert3 during the last event, but should be back to Master pretty soon.) If my clan leaves and plays a different game, so will I. It seems every day, we face another Whale squad. Today was AW twice. Yesterday was another clan, day before I forgot now but yet another whale clan. Check my history or log to see which ones if you care. I wrote them on here somewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 19:47:59 GMT -5
I don't get it. I see one half dead noob in a haechi suicide charge a rhino and ancilot. A decent haechi would hammer away at them from behind the circular cover near the beacon barely giving them opportunity to return fire. This looks like gold league and nothing like what I see. this is not a gold league, rather it's an over-confident Champ squad from a clan playing somewhat carelessly against opponents (us) with less expensive hangars. and the red Haechi was caught by a respawning blue Ancilot, dropping from thin air. without the respawning Ancilot protecting me, my Rhino should have been toasted in a second. the Haechi's mistake was to dash into the enemy's spawn without second thinking, but he might not care much since he likely had many more of them waiting in his hangar. This is a good point. In half the full squad matches I play, it wouldn’t matter if I went and sat in the corner all game and frankly I occasionally play like an idiot because it just doesn’t matter. In my first bot after 2 minutes and just unloaded my orkans? I’ll suicide and grab one with fresh magazines. You judge player skill in narrow loss matches, not easy wins. |
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Post by inspirace on Nov 25, 2017 19:50:02 GMT -5
this is not a gold league, rather it's an over-confident Champ squad from a clan playing somewhat carelessly against opponents (us) with less expensive hangars. and the red Haechi was caught by a respawning blue Ancilot, dropping from thin air. without the respawning Ancilot protecting me, my Rhino should have been toasted in a second. the Haechi's mistake was to dash into the enemy's spawn without second thinking, but he might not care much since he likely had many more of them waiting in his hangar. and the point was not the killing of the red Haechi, but the next step where this Ancilot playing a tanker's role while capturing the side beacon against multiple red Dashes and mid-rangers. I tried to give a couple examples since you stated that you never saw an Ancilot "making the winning contribution to their team". well, sorry that I don't have an example of what you usually see. I haven't yet collected many recording examples from matches against full Champ full Dash hangars. MM has reverted back to state sponsored seal clubbing. Yesterday and today, my 3 person squad of Experts faced Whale clan after Whale clan. (Yeah, I dropped back to Expert3 during the last event, but should be back to Master pretty soon.) If my clan leaves and plays a different game, so will I. It seems every day, we face another Whale squad. Today was AW twice. Yesterday was another clan, day before I forgot now but yet another whale clan. Check my history or log to see which ones if you care. I wrote them on here somewhere. I hear you... squading has been a previlage of top of top tiers for a while. last time I squaded with an Expert clan member, we were also matched to full champ squads without a mistake. I thought a two-member squad would be considered as random solos, but it wasn’t the case that night. random solo plays at the right time of the day (evening to early night in US time) has been more or less fine for me, so far ... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 20:01:33 GMT -5
To adress the post subject, ancilots aren’t garbage exactly, but they serve only as a non-awful placeholder for haechi/bulga.
There are plenty of situations where an ancilot is better than either a bulg or a haechi but no situation where a seasoned player would pick an ancilot for a hangar spot if given the choice.
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Post by kingdavid1 on Nov 25, 2017 23:51:45 GMT -5
That's why I don't use ancilot anymore  . Only tempest and punishers for my lance. |
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Post by snk on Nov 26, 2017 1:36:34 GMT -5
I don’t have Dash or high level Lancelot (just bought Lance few weeks ago, upgrading in background, hope they are still good), but from what I am against them in iOS Champions League for couple months they are still pretty good. If you have 4 Dash 1 Inquisitor 1 ember 3 Shocktrain, you may not need a Lance. Otherwise, a Lance is still pretty good.
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Post by chriskowski on Nov 26, 2017 3:20:54 GMT -5
They aren't exactly garbage but merely situational. I have a Tarancilot at 8/8 In D2 Android and it holds up well.
I used to drive it recklessly only to get shredded before I learnt to master that damn thing. I can pretty much hold 1 beacon for good 3 minutes with one but I only spawn it in as the 5th
I dont think its fair to compare it against Dashes because they are in a class of their own.
Lancelot vs any classic hangars pre-dash they come out tops. Opinions again might differ as you can only duke it out with whats in front of you.
I'll be still running it for the foreseeable future. I mean really how many of us can really afford a dash?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 6:46:04 GMT -5
I do not agree, I'm in Expert 1 and my Ancilot is my best bot, infact I would like to buy a second one. You just need to learn how to use it, because you can't stay out in the open and take damage like you are invincible. You have to stay as near as possible to covers and cornershoot as much as you can. Moreover, you should avoid DB if they have full ammo. And while said ancilot hides in cover corner shooting with one gun the haechi has crossed the map, capped the point and delivered 3 orkans full of joy into your bubble. Yes you can keep an ancilot alive a long time but I've never seen a game where someone doing this is making the winning contribution to their team. Perhaps it's because I only play BR though which makes avoiding things harder. I have been destroyed in many ways while in my Ancilot, but the one you mention is one of the less common. If you have a decent situation awareness, you don’t let anyone enter in your Ancile. It happens, of course, but it’s really rare in my experience. I only play BR too. Ancilots are incredibly good if you want to win, because they are formidable at conquering and holding beacons. They are not as good as they used to be when they were THE meta, but they are still one of the best choices F2P players have. |
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. Only tempest and punishers for my lance.
