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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 31, 2017 1:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by elcheapo on Oct 31, 2017 2:02:20 GMT -5
Trust has nothing to do with it . Its a cute addictive freemium game that can be enjoyed without paying a cent . At least i can .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 2:16:56 GMT -5
I still love the game, but Pixonic can't be trusted. They never do what they say (no rewards for tankers, special MM rules for Mk2 hangars, MM rebalance, OP bots/weapons rebalance etc.: where are all of these things???) and they never listen to what we want. They don't even listen to TS feedbacks and release OP stuff on purpose, even when it's clear to everyone how powerful they are.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Oct 31, 2017 2:20:43 GMT -5
I think it would be especially interesting if someone with contacts at Pixonic asked them to visit this thread and make a statement on why the community doesn't trust Pixonic...after the poll is ridiculously lopsided toward not trusting Pixonic.
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Post by onsolot on Oct 31, 2017 2:23:36 GMT -5
dont buy anything for more than 100au in this halloween event... i lost all of my gold... I was saving gold for a lancelot and I had 3589 gold but this event came up and i didnt buy it and now I have just 360 gold .. useless crap event
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Post by ezekielcrow on Oct 31, 2017 2:32:03 GMT -5
I wouldnt trust them to hold my left nut. As it is I'm having enough trouble getting them to let go of the one on the right. I used to. I also used to want to get my kids into it. Once this game ends (or my patience with it), I will never have another relationship with Pixonic or the people connected with their operations and will actively discourage anyone I know (relatives and friends) from availing of any of their services or products. I dont hold it against them to want or need to make profits. I completely understand. But there are other ways to monetize apps without alienating the player base....And to present it in such devious manners as: 1) Making it appear that randomness plays a factor in spins for BM and its other instruments. 2) Using MM as a leverage to transition players into spending once the hook has firmly set. 3) Coming up with in game items that frankly, take all the fun and skill out of playing in any lasting manner. Any relationship has to be built on core principles and a few other bits that lead to stability and thus patronage. Nothing in the relationship with Pixo stays the same except the increasing payments. Sad that it took so short a time for the hot girlfriend to turn into a greedy ex.
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Post by Tatamat on Oct 31, 2017 2:43:35 GMT -5
Pix has made a damned good game.
However, they've decided to turn a racehorse into a milking cow. Many financial investors do this, but it's far from being called trustworthy.
The game can resist the attempts to some extent (6 pack league is an example), but not forever.
P.S.: Aurora Nova family is setting a BoT chapter. Don't ask why.
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Post by kyle000 on Oct 31, 2017 2:52:09 GMT -5
It would be really interesting if someone has insights into what happened at the Pixonic management team. I means, things were looking alright just months ago, and it all goes south so quickly. Now they are just throwing more cr*ap to cover their past cr*ap. To sum it up, this is Pixonic in my eyes right now
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 3:05:51 GMT -5
When helping individuals with some of the most misunderstood problems, is easier than giving advice on your "game", I take issue. The psychology behind all of it is the worst, because the principles they're trying to capitalize on aren't even being executed properly. They didn't hire a psychologist, someone in marketing read an article somehere using Google Translate and decided they could improve upon the idea behind it by winging the parts of it he didn't understand.
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Post by Paps on Oct 31, 2017 3:16:23 GMT -5
Where's the 'Doesn't Matter' option? Guess I'll go with undecided.
Don't have to trust them as a company, just use their service (In this case, game), or don't. I'm leaning more towards 'don't' recently. Not a fan of the game's direction, but trust factors into it minimally, although the company is burning through the goodwill they've earned from players over the years. Fast.
It's not like Pixonic is making carseats for babies or pacemaker batteries though.
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Post by +DethHilt+ on Oct 31, 2017 3:40:42 GMT -5
Don't trust them due to their actions
Don't trust them due their lack of actions
Don't trust them because they are Russian!
BTW Dredd, likin the new avatar
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Oct 31, 2017 5:07:37 GMT -5
I voted, but the question is misleading, and someone working with numbers should perhaps see it.
Trust Pixonic about what? As a shareholder, I would totally trust pixonic about maximizing their profit, for instance. As a player I wouldn't trust them keeping their promises or even taking players' feedback into consideration, but I would trust them to implement the things they present, and *exactly* as they present them, no matter what.
So, if I may... meh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 5:11:36 GMT -5
Pix seems to be like other companies. Kixeye springs to mind. Introduce new worse things, await for the player revolt, hold a pow-wow to lull the players into a false sense of importance, ignore players and release even worse crap.
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Post by TravLar on Oct 31, 2017 6:49:58 GMT -5
I wanna know what the original developers are up to because they built a great game. I'd be reluctant to get involved in a long-term game offered by Pixonic in the future.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Oct 31, 2017 7:42:14 GMT -5
I think it would be especially interesting if someone with contacts at Pixonic asked them to visit this thread and make a statement on why the community doesn't trust Pixonic...after the poll is ridiculously lopsided toward not trusting Pixonic. That'll never happen. The F2P players are feeling betrayed and angry, and Pixonic has no actual intentions to do anything but monetize the solutions to their complaints. All it would do is validate their feelings and post a record of Pixonic's failure for all to see, creating a PR nightmare. Pixonic's CM has announced they are going to consolidate their communications to one source, their official site. They are stating the reason is that their are too many sources of "official" information. The real reason is that they can control comments on their own site. There is a natural polarity of interests between F2P players and Pixonic's egregious revenue model. They are not going to deliberately walk into any situations that expose and document how little they actually give a 「dookie」.
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Post by _psychø on Oct 31, 2017 7:45:35 GMT -5
I would if they gave us things as we (or I at least) expected, for example the dash bots (and all the next things), nobody thought they'll be exclusive to the black market and NOBODY thought they'll put the dumb components system, 90% expected them to cost Au, 10% either IP or WSP. Also nobody asked for MK2 upgrades, the level 12 is already too expensive, they can't even fix the MM as promised nor lead the game towards F2P. Besides that I'm not saying that they have not done anything good for broke all the promises, but they make us think in a different way about what's coming up then it comes up in a different shape that we didn't expect. They also looked like they're promoting close range combat at the beginning of the "new age", they also nerfed Tulu and Pin saying "we don't want weapons to do knife fighting damage from long range", and oh now? They buffed all the long range and most the weapons they released are camp weapons.
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Post by valoricus on Oct 31, 2017 8:51:12 GMT -5
Pix doesn’t want you to trust them, they want you to pay them. The only statement they’ll listen to is a drop in revenue. If they don’t meet their projections and lose that $10m contingency as part of their sale to mail.ru that would be even better.
I’m afraid that this is the course from here on out. The time has past for Pix to right the ship so either we learn to live within the world of P2W or make the decision to put the game down for good. I’m leaning towards the later myself.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Oct 31, 2017 9:11:27 GMT -5
Trust them as a player? As an FTP/ES (Enjoyment Spender; a player who spends some money on a game they enjoy) player, no; this game forces you to advance against ever-stronger enemies, and inevitably you will run up against premium gear that is nigh impossible to match, let alone defeat. An FTP player can only last through about Diamond league - if they're lucky and/or very good - before being hopelessly outmatched with no option but to pay to survive. So no trust from this crowd.
PTW players? Maybe for now, but look at what's happening with the FTP base. They are leaving in droves (some even in cars!), and before long this game many PTW players have dumped $$$$ into will be dead. And then, what was all that money worth? Three or four months of dominance in a defunct game? If I spent that much and watched a game die, I sure wouldn't trust the company after observing their ridiculous strategy.
Investors? No, no, and HELL FIRETRUCKING NO!!! Pix's golden goose is being plucked. War Robots has become a glass bubble. Did I miss any cliche metaphors? No? Good. FTP/ES players are pissed off and leaving, which will ultimately lead to PTW players leaving when there's no one left for them to demolish. Game over.
OOOOOH! ANOTHER CLICHE, WHICH WAS ALSO A PUN! SO PROUD OF MYSELF...
Seriously, if I were in investor right now, I'd be selling every damn bit of stock ASAP. The game will collapse, and if this happened to a successful, widely popular game within only a few months, no way in hell would I ever trust this company with a dime again.
So, who's left to trust Pix to deliver what they want?
FTP/ES players expect a game they can enjoy. That is gone.
PTW players also expect a game they can enjoy. That is also gone, or will be as soon as the FTP players leave.
Investors expect to make a return on their investment. That will soon come to a crashing halt.
So, who's left? Cuz that's pretty much everyone involved...
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Post by Ron Gaul on Oct 31, 2017 9:14:11 GMT -5
Oops. I forgot. Ahem.
HOW DARE YOU?!?!?
I dunno what I'm wondering how you dare to do. Just seemed appropriate.
Cheers.
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Post by The VVatcher on Oct 31, 2017 9:33:57 GMT -5
Where's the 'Doesn't Matter' option? Guess I'll go with undecided. Don't have to trust them as a company, just use their service (In this case, game), or don't. I'm leaning more towards 'don't' recently. Not a fan of the game's direction, but trust factors into it minimally, although the company is burning through the goodwill they've earned from players over the years. Fast. It's not like Pixonic is making carseats for babies or pacemaker batteries though. It does matter. I don't trust that what I buy from them will be as effective in a month. As for those that spent thousands, they have to trust that what they payed for wont all of a sudden become widely available to everyone. In short, Pixonic has wrecked consumer confidence. Trust is a big part of that.
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Post by bronzeknee on Oct 31, 2017 9:56:04 GMT -5
You need this for your article, don't you Dredd?
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Oct 31, 2017 9:58:31 GMT -5
You need this for your article, don't you Dredd? we are being farmed for information too! AH... the irony, the irony... (j/k)
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Post by BB on Oct 31, 2017 10:13:26 GMT -5
No, but I don’t trust anybody
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Post by mechtout on Oct 31, 2017 10:18:25 GMT -5
Started playing before the morph into a money grubbing monster. Definitely don't trust the new regime has the community or potential greatness of the game in mind.
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Post by krebby on Oct 31, 2017 10:52:11 GMT -5
Pix doesn’t want you to trust them, they want you to pay them. The only statement they’ll listen to is a drop in revenue. If they don’t meet their projections and lose that $10m contingency as part of their sale to mail.ru that would be even better. Where did you learn about this $10m contingency? I'd be interested in reading about it.
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Post by borisbaddenov on Oct 31, 2017 10:52:51 GMT -5
I've not been around long enough to not trust them --
/shrug
Boris
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Post by valoricus on Oct 31, 2017 11:39:36 GMT -5
Pix doesn’t want you to trust them, they want you to pay them. The only statement they’ll listen to is a drop in revenue. If they don’t meet their projections and lose that $10m contingency as part of their sale to mail.ru that would be even better. Where did you learn about this $10m contingency? I'd be interested in reading about it. I read it somewhere. I’ll try to find the link again.
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Post by moflete on Oct 31, 2017 12:18:35 GMT -5
Trust has nothing to do with it . Its a cute addictive freemium game that can be enjoyed without paying a cent . At least i can . Well, I think trust is always important if you are faced with a corporation offering you to purchase things for a promised result. This is not an issue for non-spenders like you and certainly I, BUT many people cannot resist that. So they purchase based on offers and messages of future releases, plans etc. and that entails trust (or the lack of it). In my view, what should be "fine tunning" (rebalances) became a complete roller coaster. So you spend some money in a Thunder / Orkan / lancelot and next "slight rebalance" some silver RDB kills it from 480m away due to the rocket buff. Same with say a maxed Orkan Rhino or a butch. Now, the former laughable noricum patton and a Zenit Noricum Natasha can devastate any of those investments.
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Post by TheWWRNerdGuy on Oct 31, 2017 12:22:49 GMT -5
You don't just add a major thing (clans) in an update and not even include it in the changelog!
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Post by BooBooKitty on Oct 31, 2017 12:27:06 GMT -5
Not only do I not trust Pixo, but what they have done to me has plagued my relationships with other games. I do not trust any developer anymore. And this latest thing, the MK2 rollout, set me back years of progress with my therapist.
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