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Post by moody on Aug 23, 2017 16:34:35 GMT -5
Trying to figure out a good plan for when everyone is trying to combat everyone else in custom games.
I am thinking that it would be nice to have a Training hangar for newbies which is also good for pick up battles with a lot of other people. So it couldn't be leveled too much and be easy for anybody to attain quickly and cheaply.
The obvious would be the old bronze tier standard 4/6 mediums.
Should there be another standard as well? There is the obvious off the shelf viability of 6/5 heavies.
Opinions?
Let me know if there is anything I should add to the poll
Edited could to couldn't
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Post by Thunderkiss on Aug 23, 2017 17:41:05 GMT -5
Pixonic should be doing this as well ?
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Post by moody on Aug 23, 2017 20:25:01 GMT -5
I don't believe that this has no interest.
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Post by shakingrabbit on Aug 23, 2017 21:02:00 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time understanding the question.
Are you saying these "training" hangars are hangars that anybody can jump into? And so a noob of 1 day could choose one of these "training" hangars and play heavies in a custom match against others on day 1? Or conversely a champion player could jump into a "training" hangar?
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Post by moody on Aug 23, 2017 23:09:40 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time understanding the question. Are you saying these "training" hangars are hangars that anybody can jump into? And so a noob of 1 day could choose one of these "training" hangars and play heavies in a custom match against others on day 1? Or conversely a champion player could jump into a "training" hangar? I am asking your opinion of either. A training hangar a newbie of a week or two could get in on. Should there also be another option that's a little more advanced but not expert / master / champion? Custom matches will allow us all to choose what we use, so yes a champion could jump into a training hangar. |
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Post by moody on Aug 23, 2017 23:11:39 GMT -5
So glad i kept all my old bots ?
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Post by zed252000 on Aug 24, 2017 1:47:29 GMT -5
Are you asking for a "Test Drive" hangar arena matches? or a "Pick Up Game" matches??
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Post by moody on Aug 24, 2017 2:39:13 GMT -5
Are you asking for a "Test Drive" hangar arena matches? or a "Pick Up Game" matches?? Not sure what you mean by test drive hangar arena matches. I am thinking pick up games where somebody can say 'get out your x/x hangars' which everybody will have. |
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Post by zed252000 on Aug 24, 2017 3:21:50 GMT -5
Are you asking for a "Test Drive" hangar arena matches? or a "Pick Up Game" matches?? Not sure what you mean by test drive hangar arena matches. I am thinking pick up games where somebody can say 'get out your x/x hangars' which everybody will have. mentioned is a " training hangar for newbies". custom matches will be non bearing games. it will not affect your stats and currencies. so to have a hangar for custom matches only, would be a waste of resources. hence i asked, the bot and weps are there already, sit on it and test it out on a controlled environment. Test drive. |
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Post by seanh on Aug 24, 2017 3:55:37 GMT -5
Everything should be 9/9, mainly because that is where most of my 「dookie」 is,
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Post by seanh on Aug 24, 2017 3:58:09 GMT -5
I have changed my mind, it should be 1/1, I just remembered all that stuff I got from the event I am never going to use,
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Post by dangit on Aug 24, 2017 4:22:47 GMT -5
I voted other moody although I like all your setup's and one of others that I read. I believe an all of the above would be warranted here. From training level up to and including fighting a clan member with your standard hangar, no limits, run what you brung, one on one, chose a map and go for it. There are a few of us in Expert in our clan, but each hangar is somewhat different in it's composition. One thing they have in common, they are 95% knife fighter setup's. |
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Post by moody on Aug 24, 2017 5:03:28 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by test drive hangar arena matches. I am thinking pick up games where somebody can say 'get out your x/x hangars' which everybody will have. mentioned is a " training hangar for newbies". custom matches will be non bearing games. it will not affect your stats and currencies. so to have a hangar for custom matches only, would be a waste of resources. hence i asked, the bot and weps are there already, sit on it and test it out on a controlled environment. Test drive. I don't think it would be a waste of resources. Back in the days before leagues i ran three hangars in order to squad with anybody. A 4/6 bronze, a 4/8 silver and a six 9 main hangar which i put my main resources into. People in the clan would say they were available to squad in bronze for example. A 4/6 hangar would cost minimal silver and very little time to get operational. |
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Post by moody on Aug 24, 2017 5:06:52 GMT -5
I voted other moody although I like all your setup's and one of others that I read. I believe an all of the above would be warranted here. From training level up to and including fighting a clan member with your standard hangar, no limits, run what you brung, one on one, chose a map and go for it. There are a few of us in Expert in our clan, but each hangar is somewhat different in it's composition. One thing they have in common, they are 95% knife fighter setup's. I would be quite happy with all the above but in that situation most people wouldn't dedicated resources for 5 or 6 alternate hangars. |
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Post by moody on Aug 24, 2017 5:09:50 GMT -5
Apologies for not being as clear as i thought with this post. I thought it would be a reasonably simple concept.
We could do something like the facebook mercenaries as well - without being limited to only playing people in the same league.
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Post by dangit on Aug 24, 2017 5:25:11 GMT -5
I voted other moody although I like all your setup's and one of others that I read. I believe an all of the above would be warranted here. From training level up to and including fighting a clan member with your standard hangar I would be quite happy with all the above but in that situation most people wouldn't dedicated resources for 5 or 6 alternate hangars. Did not think about that for others. Looked what I have available. I still have all my stuff from the old tier days. So I could field multiple hangars. Need to change my vote.? |
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Post by zed252000 on Aug 24, 2017 5:38:33 GMT -5
mentioned is a " training hangar for newbies". custom matches will be non bearing games. it will not affect your stats and currencies. so to have a hangar for custom matches only, would be a waste of resources. hence i asked, the bot and weps are there already, sit on it and test it out on a controlled environment. Test drive. I don't think it would be a waste of resources. Back in the days before leagues i ran three hangars in order to squad with anybody. A 4/6 bronze, a 4/8 silver and a six 9 main hangar which i put my main resources into. People in the clan would say they were available to squad in bronze for example. A 4/6 hangar would cost minimal silver and very little time to get operational. yah, those were the days, had 3 hangars, the lights 1/5, medium 4/6, and the main in 6/8. cleaned up my hangar, just kept the happy ones. Too much clutter, minimalism, etc. i voted for other, for the full benefit. |
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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on Aug 24, 2017 6:19:09 GMT -5
Hangar based MM - what a concept! I'd love to see it back again. It was fun being able to pick what level to play and have appropriate gear for whatever you were in the mood for.
Now I know the dominance of the mag gep caused many to soil their armor, but geps took a hp nerf just before the new MM and they didn't last as long. In fact, Pix could have stopped at the Gep nerf and the "problem" would have been solved, but no...
At this point I'd even be ok with the not for profit idea for say, level 25+ pilots fielding a "noob hangar" for fun. It'd let us have an occasional "if I knew then what I know now" moment without the lure of easy money to keep us there too long. After all, it's the gold and silver farming aspect that leads to the tanking/clubbing cycle, isn't it?
And on that note, let me plug my idea to curb that cycle yet again...
No gold or silver rewards for players who drop more than 1 full league rank below their maximum rating. For example, a player whose maximum league rank is Expert 2 would stop receiving gold and silver if they dropped below Diamond 2. It accounts for all but the most severe losing streaks and takes away the lure of filthy lucre that motivates most tankers.
Simple fix.
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Post by moody on Aug 24, 2017 14:05:13 GMT -5
Hangar based MM - what a concept! I'd love to see it back again. It was fun being able to pick what level to play and have appropriate gear for whatever you were in the mood for. Now I know the dominance of the mag gep caused many to soil their armor, but geps took a hp nerf just before the new MM and they didn't last as long. In fact, Pix could have stopped at the Gep nerf and the "problem" would have been solved, but no... At this point I'd even be ok with the not for profit idea for say, level 25+ pilots fielding a "noob hangar" for fun. It'd let us have an occasional "if I knew then what I know now" moment without the lure of easy money to keep us there too long. After all, it's the gold and silver farming aspect that leads to the tanking/clubbing cycle, isn't it? And on that note, let me plug my idea to curb that cycle yet again... No gold or silver rewards for players who drop more than 1 full league rank below their maximum rating. For example, a player whose maximum league rank is Expert 2 would stop receiving gold and silver if they dropped below Diamond 2. It accounts for all but the most severe losing streaks and takes away the lure of filthy lucre that motivates most tankers. Simple fix. Custom matches won't have rewards. |
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 24, 2017 14:52:55 GMT -5
"Other"
"Custom Lobbies" should be Player determined. Otherwise, it's just a series of preset's.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 24, 2017 15:32:20 GMT -5
Moody, are you trying to get opinions on a standard, per se? Like, for our feeder clan, having a set Training Hangar that we require new joins to have once on board?
If so, I think for anyone, there will be multiple ways to make this happen.
For some very basic things like basic squad tactics, map familiarization, basic weapons training, and other simple things... 1/1 Cossies, Destriers, and Shutzes would work fine. You get a jumping bot, light weapons, medium weapons, and heavy weapons to work with that will be able to cover basics across the board.
Anything beyond that will be dependent on what is needing to be taught...
The more specialized you get with the lesson needing to be taught, the more the hangars will be specialized, too.
So, I'm picking 1/1s for a general training hangar for now... until more ideas come to mind.
I think that answers part of your question...
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Post by moody on Aug 24, 2017 15:59:13 GMT -5
"Other" "Custom Lobbies" should be Player determined. Otherwise, it's just a series of preset's. I don't understand? Are you talking about having preset hangars at the touch of a button? If so, I agree, but that's not what I'm talking about. If not, can you explain what you mean? |
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Post by moody on Aug 24, 2017 16:23:06 GMT -5
Moody, are you trying to get opinions on a standard, per se? Like, for our feeder clan, having a set Training Hangar that we require new joins to have once on board? If so, I think for anyone, there will be multiple ways to make this happen. For some very basic things like basic squad tactics, map familiarization, basic weapons training, and other simple things... 1/1 Cossies, Destriers, and Shutzes would work fine. You get a jumping bot, light weapons, medium weapons, and heavy weapons to work with that will be able to cover basics across the board. Anything beyond that will be dependent on what is needing to be taught... The more specialized you get with the lesson needing to be taught, the more the hangars will be specialized, too. So, I'm picking 1/1s for a general training hangar for now... until more ideas come to mind. I think that answers part of your question... Yes, that's approximately what I'm after - but not 'just' for training. I am thinking of a default 'standard' that everybody could have so there is not 15 minutes of negotiations before a battle trying to even up the matches. This would be good both for training and actual matches. (and I know that 4/6 does not play the same as 12/12). The old bronze tier I think would be good because it is in easy reach of the majority of people - and doesn't limit us to only weapons that start at level 1. |
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 24, 2017 16:42:41 GMT -5
That's precisely my problem with custom games. I have little time, it is simply no option for me to have long waits between matches to fill custom games, I want to jump quickly into battles. Maybe the best thing would be to set a time and class in advance, and people can join at the agreed time, maybe use something like doodle (or the forum here) to check if there is enough interest. May be easier than to negotiate back and forth on the terms, and everybody can think about what hangar he wants to use. Just shout "4/5 Cossack Only at [time], [discord channel]", and we'll see who wants to play  For example, I realized I'll have a hard time setting up 6/8 mediums. The mediums I use are level 8-10, while the spare ones are mostly level 1-3. Something like 6/6, no Carnages/Galahads/Fujins (or those at lower level) would rock, with a couple of days notice everybody could even upgrade a few light and medium robots for that. I'm not a big fan of "stock" setups (level 1 or 2), as they are simply too slow to be fun, so a bit of upgrading would be nice. |
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Post by moody on Aug 24, 2017 17:46:26 GMT -5
My like on the post above was before the edit. Now I like it even more |
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 24, 2017 20:00:26 GMT -5
Are you saying these "training" hangars are hangars that anybody can jump into? And so a noob of 1 day could choose one of these "training" hangars and play heavies in a custom match against others on day 1? Or conversely a champion player could jump into a "training" hangar? I am asking your opinion of either. Should there also be another option that's a little more advanced but not expert / master / champion? I've said a few times that I wish there was a daily "hangar of the day" to use where you opt to use it, Pix adjusts the levels to be equal to your current hangar (determined by your last 10 or so matches), and then you're thrown into your regular league queue. You could play the HotD as many times as you wanted, but not modify it in any way and none of the equipment would actually be yours. Each night the HotD would change and here would be a new set of gear that you could experiment with. |
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Post by moody on Sept 27, 2017 22:24:09 GMT -5
Just to join in with all the new threads on this topic - heres one I prepared earlier.  |
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