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Post by Blurred Vision on Dec 21, 2016 11:14:54 GMT -5
I'm stepping into medium bots, and in addition to the CQB knife-fighters, I found I need a mid to long-range bot for open maps like Yama & Springfield. (Also helpful on Canyon). One of my favorite medium bots is Golem....God I love that thing  Right now I have two L4s. One has: Thunder/Taran/Mag 7/6/6 The other has: Zeus/Tulu/Spiral 7/5/6 I can't decide if I should get a Hydra and replace the Tulu, or a Treb to replace the Zeus. If I go Treb first, I'd have a Zeus/Taran/Mag setup, and stash WSP for a Treb/Hydra/Spiral (eventually). I also love the Thunder, so I could just use the Zeus as mid-range; decisions, decisions... All input appreciated! Edit: I know 600m isn't "long range" but when most War Robots fights action has been <350, it seems long hahaha. I've also found the Zeus to suit my needs pretty well, but...is there better? |
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Dec 21, 2016 11:42:56 GMT -5
Hydra.
AFAIK and IIRC the KwK has higher DPM than Treb. And one midranger/sniper is enough usually.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Dec 21, 2016 13:05:06 GMT -5
Use a trident, pin and tulumbas. You'll love it, promised.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 21, 2016 15:17:42 GMT -5
I mean in bronze and silver snipers are irrelevamt no matter what you use... hydras are a waste of WSP and don't do enough damage to be effective. The only time hydras and spirals are useful is for low silver, where bot levels are low and weapon levels are high.
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Post by josette2 on Dec 21, 2016 16:06:17 GMT -5
If you're not planning on using heavies I would suggest a quad pin patton over a golem trident/tulu/ pin. Reason being, the golem is inconsistent with its cooldown while the patton has flat 10 seconds on all and damage per cycle would only be short by 1 pin.
Your current mid range golem looks fun though. I say dump the tulu for a hydra, it would make a great counter for those annoying maggeps.
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Post by nodalwars on Dec 21, 2016 18:06:39 GMT -5
If you're not planning on using heavies I would suggest a quad pin patton over a golem trident/tulu/ pin. Reason being, the golem is inconsistent with its cooldown while the patton has flat 10 seconds on all and damage per cycle would only be short by 1 pin. Your current mid range golem looks fun though. I say dump the tulu for a hydra, it would make a great counter for those annoying maggeps. I love the varied reload times since you can keep up a more constant rate of fire and you have more ability to surprise opponents that think you just fired everything off. Firing the Trident and CRV and to someone hiding around a corner and doing some damage and then having them come out of cover just in time for the Tulumbas is priceless. |
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Post by josette2 on Dec 21, 2016 18:19:49 GMT -5
If you're not planning on using heavies I would suggest a quad pin patton over a golem trident/tulu/ pin. Reason being, the golem is inconsistent with its cooldown while the patton has flat 10 seconds on all and damage per cycle would only be short by 1 pin. Your current mid range golem looks fun though. I say dump the tulu for a hydra, it would make a great counter for those annoying maggeps. I love the varied reload times since you can keep up a more constant rate of fire and you have more ability to surprise opponents that think you just fired everything off. Firing the Trident and CRV and to someone hiding around a corner and doing some damage and then having them come out of cover just in time for the Tulumbas is priceless. If you do the math dpm for both bots is quite similar because of that 18 second CD on tulu. Patton dpm is just more fluid because as they say the faster you can shoot your guns the better. It's also new player friendly(just press the big red button). If anything, if you can capitalize on the golems mixed range, CD, and superb corner shooting it can be more effective but that's not something I would suggest to a newer player. |
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Post by Blurred Vision on Dec 22, 2016 9:17:25 GMT -5
Thanks all!
My hangar is high bronze right now, and my plan is to upgrade weapons evenly to stick around the silver tier/microtiers for a while. Don't think I'll be making the jump to heavies anytime soon (lest I win one via snowflakes). I like the idea of a Trident/Tulu/Pin Golem, and hand't considered that, but will mull it over.
I watched a clanmate wreak havoc with a Zeus/Hydra/Spiral setup, and have been plagued by a Hydra before, which is what got me thinking. Tri-mag Geps and the reds shooting from just beyond 350m are my nemesis right now in many fights, but I think either one will help counter that.
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 9:23:41 GMT -5
Use a trident, pin and tulumbas. You'll love it, promised. Yup, one of my favourites, this will fend off the shield bots for some time. With a L4 Golem, you can push your weapons up to L8ish. I ran L3 bots with L9 weapons for a long time for farming, but the MM refactoring will probably push this from Silver to low Gold. |
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Dec 22, 2016 12:21:36 GMT -5
Well Max, I run a 4\6 Golem...
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Post by Deadalready on Dec 23, 2016 7:11:31 GMT -5
I'm also running a Golem Trident/tulu/crv and I love it.
I used to run the Patton CRV but I got increasingly frustrated with the lack of reliability it had. You might start with 4 CRVs but that number will quickly drop to 3 in the first or second attack you take. You could have a Patton with as much as half health but only 2 weapons quickly. A Golem will keep fighting to near death before it drops any weapons and unless you lose your trident, it's still a serviceable force on the battle field. I also find the Golem faster and more hardy overall.
The only advantages the Patton has is a smaller front profile (so it's a bit harder to hit) and weapon reloads time at the same time.
If you're a player who can corner shoot and use individual weapons then Golem is the choice by far.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Dec 23, 2016 8:11:41 GMT -5
Results from my many polls show that Rocket Golem is the best midranger, and if you REALLY want to stretch for long range (and you don't have/can't get a fury) your best bet is Treb/Pin Nat (long range just isn't recommended in silver)
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Post by jazzykat on Dec 23, 2016 11:29:37 GMT -5
Results from my many polls show that Rocket Golem is the best midranger, and if you REALLY want to stretch for long range (and you don't have/can't get a fury) your best bet is Treb/Pin Nat (long range just isn't recommended in silver) I also use the rocket Golem at 8-8/7/8 with the Tulumba being at level 7 (until I can upgrade it to 8). I haven't spent money on the game yet (so no Fury) and I find the rocket golem serviceable. Some say that the RDB is the way to go and I would agree with them except that on the long maps where I need this guy the 100m extra range on the trident is key to engaging the enemy before they can shoot me with anything. The insane splash damage is also nice because I am not the most accurate at long range and I can do the last sliver of damage around some cover. I have never used a Zeus but I see it used effectively on small fast bots (aphid/gep) that are drinking your milkshake. They seem to be fine against larger targets but I would prefer a trident for the fact that you can shoot and duck and it has BIG splash damage. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 13:33:33 GMT -5
I use Hydra/Spiral/Treb Golem to hate on Gepards. Kwks have higher DPS, but since you're using Arty weapons to troll from behind cover, you don't want to really expose yourself. It's probably the only non-Fury setup that is truly effective for the treb, as living in cover means waiting on the treb's full charge isn't a waste. Treb doesn't lose much DPS on reload fire(opposed to full charge), and will always do full damage if it connects (making it a better retreat-fire poke). I mentioned this elsewhere and someone suggested the Thunder, imo, the thunder is an advancing weapon, while the treb can poke at any range.
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Post by jazzykat on Dec 24, 2016 1:21:38 GMT -5
I use Hydra/Spiral/Treb Golem to hate on Gepards. Kwks have higher DPS, but since you're using Arty weapons to troll from behind cover, you don't want to really expose yourself. It's probably the only non-Fury setup that is truly effective for the treb, as living in cover means waiting on the treb's full charge isn't a waste. Treb doesn't lose much DPS on reload fire(opposed to full charge), and will always do full damage if it connects (making it a better retreat-fire poke). I mentioned this elsewhere and someone suggested the Thunder, imo, the thunder is an advancing weapon, while the treb can poke at any range. That set up must be hillarious. You can troll them all day with homing missiles and take pot shots at them all the while running around the board. |
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Post by Blurred Vision on Jan 5, 2017 14:24:52 GMT -5
The suggestions of a rocket Golem ended up being spot-on. The Trident/Tulu/CRV Pin are what I was looking for in mid-range harassment of reds. I tried the Zeus/Hydra/Spiral setup but while I love the homing missiles, it just didn't deal enough meaningful damage - I end up focusing on one red bot too long before getting a kill. But now, a few salvos from these three seems to do the trick.
Splash damage is great too, especially vs. reds squatting on the center beacon on Yama. I sent one red skyward today solely by pounding the walls he was hiding behind heh heh.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 5, 2017 14:30:49 GMT -5
Results from my many polls show that Rocket Golem is the best midranger. Eh? Better than RDB Griffin or TT Fury? What kind of silly polls you be making, Poll Troll? |
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Post by Curry Pot on Jan 5, 2017 17:27:15 GMT -5
Results from my many polls show that Rocket Golem is the best midranger. Eh? Better than RDB Griffin or TT Fury? What kind of silly polls you be making, Poll Troll? I'm pretty sure his poll was only for high bronze to low silver, so TT Furies and RDBs weren't included. |
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 5, 2017 17:54:00 GMT -5
Oh, I figured, but he didn't qualify his statement, and I enjoy needling him.
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