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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on Jun 19, 2017 12:00:45 GMT -5
To all morons who squad with others way out of their league, either higher or lower - KNOCK IT OFF!
Please understand that you're shooting yourself and your whole team in the foot, effectively giving red team extra players in most cases.
If you're Diamond 1 and you squad with a Silver 2 guy, guess what usually happens? Sliver guy is usually way under powered and will under perform, effectively making blue short a man, and red with a bonus player. It works the same with any squad arrangement. MM still bases opposition on the strongest player/highest league in the squad, so results for blue are usually disastrous. I can't tell you how many battles I've lost due to the poor judgement of random blue partial squads.
As a general rule, it's best to stay within one League rank up or down to avoid being the odd man out.
Thank you for your cooperation, and thank you, Pixonic, for the wonderful Leagues. Yippee.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 12:42:55 GMT -5
Quick to point out you've lost many battles due to being on teams with mixed-league squads but don't mention that you've also won many battles against teams with mixed-league squads. It's worth noting that you've been on both the losing side and the winning side of those mixed-league squads, Sergeant.
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Post by inspirace on Jun 19, 2017 13:40:00 GMT -5
these days sometimes silver has 12/12 hangers  I lost to some of those (what a beautiful world...). so to be precise, you should condemn mixed hanger level squads (and tanking, of course...) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 14:20:17 GMT -5
I dont really agree with the OP. I play with friends, usually across leagues, and we do fine. I also don't like being called a moron. Extra Orkan fire inbound for Sgt Fury when I next see him in red.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jun 19, 2017 14:55:00 GMT -5
To all morons who squad with others way out of their league, either higher or lower - KNOCK IT OFF! Please understand that you're shooting yourself and your whole team in the foot, effectively giving red team extra players in most cases. If you're Diamond 1 and you squad with a Silver 2 guy, guess what usually happens? Sliver guy is usually way under powered and will under perform, effectively making blue short a man, and red with a bonus player. It works the same with any squad arrangement. MM still bases opposition on the strongest player/highest league in the squad, so results for blue are usually disastrous. I can't tell you how many battles I've lost due to the poor judgement of random blue partial squads. As a general rule, it's best to stay within one League rank up or down to avoid being the odd man out. Thank you for your cooperation, and thank you, Pixonic, for the wonderful Leagues. Yippee. I guess I am one of those moron Champion League guys who likes to train my clan members who are Expert League (like yourself) in squad battles so they can get a feel for the upper meta. Sure, there are times they can be the weak link but I ALWAYS have them on coms and usually running tethered to another Champ in the squad for protection and tactics. You run under the assumption that a lower level player without the same levels as yourself is like being "short" a player. If thats how you feel, Maybe you should teach your guys beacon control. I can take expert league guys with 9/9 light bots hangar ( stalker, gareth) running with my 12/12 crew and still pull the majority of the beacon work while letting my heavy hitters work on the damage while all the while learning tricks like focus fire and teamwork. Sure, They are at the bottom sometimes as far as damage, but the beacon count shows they helped the team take the win and the experience they gain from either a win or a loss is invaluable. I think you need to move up in the leagues a bit more before you start painting broad strokes of your rationalizations. For the Moron you maybe referring to might just be yourself. :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 15:11:51 GMT -5
So I am a moron if I want to play with my friends? Geez.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 19, 2017 15:31:21 GMT -5
Dude... I have been in some games where my Silver account was mixed in with Diamond, Gold, my league Silver, and Bronze. While not in a squad. I was still coming 1st or 2nd even with my mostly level 6 weapons and bots against a mix of 8-12 bots and weapons. SO, that does 2 things... 1.) proves that you don't have to be in a squad with mixed leagues anymore to get thrown in with the wolves that are 2 leagues above you and 2.) proves that even if that happens, a player can still hold down a good performing game with an underpowered hangar. Examples... since I don't want to sound like the proverbial 「dookie」 talker: My hangar:     Oh, not to mention, that leagues have jack 「dookie」 to do with anything unless we are talking the very upper crust where the majority of folks not only have maxed hangars but KNOW how to use them. And use them well. In my hangar, I would not expect anything near the games I just posted if I was trying to hold down a spot in a squad with Expert - Champion players against others of the same caliber, however, with the right bots even level 6s and 7s can do a bit of good if staying out of fire and hammering Reds that are hitting your Blue teamates closer to their level... Anyway, went on a tangent... I was trying to get to the point that even in Silver you can go up against bots/weapons that outclass you. Look at this guy from one of those matches I posted...  Seems to me, squad with who you want. Play with the bots you want. Use the weapons you want. And have fun  |
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jun 19, 2017 16:47:13 GMT -5
So I am a moron if I want to play with my friends? Geez. How many times have we squadded and I was a couple of leagues above you and you STILL outdamaged me?! a few that I can recall for shizzle.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 17:13:02 GMT -5
</div>A few times. But those games I was lucky. |
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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on Jun 19, 2017 17:20:12 GMT -5
Apologies for the "moron" comment. I officially retract it. I was fresh of a loss due to the topic and a bit cranky, blew off some steam, got banned from the forum for a few hours, got the message.
By all means, squad with whoever you like. But I think it's safe to say that a Champion league player who takes a Bronze along for the ride is gonna need to pull extra weight. Just saw this a few minutes ago on red team (for once!), and the Bronze tag a long contributed a whopping 50k or so to their loss.
Glad to be back, and I'll try to behave better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 17:31:37 GMT -5
Its all good ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧. We all lose our tempers now and again. I radioed in to command and told them they can scale back on the extra Orkan warheads designated for you. Command told me its too late to change out payloads. Sorry bro. |
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Post by inspirace on Jun 19, 2017 17:37:16 GMT -5
Apologies for the "moron" comment. I officially retract it. I was fresh of a loss due to the topic and a bit cranky, blew off some steam, got banned from the forum for a few hours, got the message. By all means, squad with whoever you like. But I think it's safe to say that a Champion league player who takes a Bronze along for the ride is gonna need to pull extra weight. Just saw this a few minutes ago on red team (for once!), and the Bronze tag a long contributed a whopping 50k or so to their loss. Glad to be back, and I'll try to behave better. to be pair to you, I a few times squadded with young clan members (real gold and silvers), losing to their urging. they couldn't last three minutes and I felt real sorry to the blue team. at first, I hoped perhaps the MM find another mixed squad for the red, and quickly realize that won't happen. I tried to explain why we couldn't squad together but he wouldn't listen and cried like a boy. later our clan leader asked him how old he was, turned out to be nine years old, so a real boy  he was so excited getting a thunder carnage and kept suggesting "let's squad and we all start with thunder carnage!!" now he has his brother and a couple friends (I think) in the clan, has stopped asking to squad, and begins upgrading weapons... sometimes I wonder a nine-year should spend more time outside, chasing a baseball or something  |
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Post by T34 on Jun 19, 2017 20:40:21 GMT -5
is there a loophole or should I say a method for squadding with a silver while the others are considerably higher. this is an issue for our clan as well. silvers are happy to squad with up to golds but they run away from guys in diamond and above (and I understand that). guys higher in the tiers miss out because most of freshies come from silver and gold. Not sure if multiple accounts are the way to go.
PS. I am not trying to discuss the merits or ethics of the current/old MM nor looking for solutions involving tanking/fading (we all know about that).
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Post by Russel on Jun 20, 2017 2:21:31 GMT -5
</div>C'mon, Guitar guy, fix your playername already :-D I'm seeing those </div> in my nightmares |
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Post by Russel on Jun 20, 2017 2:23:57 GMT -5
Apologies for the "moron" comment. I officially retract it. I was fresh of a loss due to the topic and a bit cranky, blew off some steam, got banned from the forum for a few hours, got the message. By all means, squad with whoever you like. But I think it's safe to say that a Champion league player who takes a Bronze along for the ride is gonna need to pull extra weight. Just saw this a few minutes ago on red team (for once!), and the Bronze tag a long contributed a whopping 50k or so to their loss. Glad to be back, and I'll try to behave better. to be pair to you, I a few times squadded with young clan members (real gold and silvers), losing to their urging. they couldn't last three minutes and I felt real sorry to the blue team. at first, I hoped perhaps the MM find another mixed squad for the red, and quickly realize that won't happen. I tried to explain why we couldn't squad together but he wouldn't listen and cried like a boy. later our clan leader asked him how old he was, turned out to be nine years old, so a real boy :o he was so excited getting a thunder carnage and kept suggesting "let's squad and we all start with thunder carnage!!" now he has his brother and a couple friends (I think) in the clan, has stopped asking to squad, and begins upgrading weapons... sometimes I wonder a nine-year should spend more time outside, chasing a baseball or something :-/ I was squadding with Silver clanmates for a while (me Diamond, they Silver) to illustrate point of ThunderNatasha\Punishers\Spirals\Raijin unusefullness and show what's what in higher leagues. Once I even got reds with Silver players on their team, too. |
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Post by acdcfan on Jun 20, 2017 3:51:34 GMT -5
Apologies for the "moron" comment. I officially retract it. I was fresh of a loss due to the topic and a bit cranky, blew off some steam, got banned from the forum for a few hours, got the message. By all means, squad with whoever you like. But I think it's safe to say that a Champion league player who takes a Bronze along for the ride is gonna need to pull extra weight. Just saw this a few minutes ago on red team (for once!), and the Bronze tag a long contributed a whopping 50k or so to their loss. Glad to be back, and I'll try to behave better. to be pair to you, I a few times squadded with young clan members (real gold and silvers), losing to their urging. they couldn't last three minutes and I felt real sorry to the blue team. at first, I hoped perhaps the MM find another mixed squad for the red, and quickly realize that won't happen. I tried to explain why we couldn't squad together but he wouldn't listen and cried like a boy. later our clan leader asked him how old he was, turned out to be nine years old, so a real boy he was so excited getting a thunder carnage and kept suggesting "let's squad and we all start with thunder carnage!!" now he has his brother and a couple friends (I think) in the clan, has stopped asking to squad, and begins upgrading weapons... sometimes I wonder a nine-year should spend more time outside, chasing a baseball or something I used to this with my son, Silver 1 league, and I am in expert III...I have explained same as you did, you don't have a hanger to fight we will loose every battle. But he insisted and we squad together for no less than 20 battles in 1 go. And I must give him credit as we won 1/3 and there were battles where he outlasted me (because I drew fire away from him so he can cap the beacon and hide) and we won. But he did learn and we are not doing squad battles any more. I think he enjoys roblox more than War Robots |
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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on Jun 20, 2017 11:36:45 GMT -5
I've actually been thinking about my OP and some of the responses. To clarify, I'm hoping to see less squad match ups that you wouldn't find in completely random games. Someone mentioned being in Champ league and squadding with clan mates in Expert. I'm fine with that, since my Expert profile is regularly lumped in with everything from Gold 1 to Champions when I'm running solo.
It's the Champ in squad with Silver and Bronze that gets me worked up, at least when they're blue.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jun 20, 2017 11:58:59 GMT -5
</div>C'mon, Guitar guy, fix your playername already :-D I'm seeing those </div> in my nightmares Ok, Brackets around my name are Removed. Hopefully you and Dredd can sleep better at night. Just remember..I'm still hiding under your bed... |
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Post by Russel on Jun 20, 2017 12:12:50 GMT -5
</div>C'mon, Guitar guy, fix your playername already :-D I'm seeing those </div> in my nightmares Ok, Brackets around my name are Removed. Hopefully you and Dredd can sleep better at night. Just remember..I'm still hiding under your bed... Thank you! I was scared every time I saw your quote was absent from my reply. I think one pair of brackets would be nice. Or >_> underscored or >#> hashtag >*> asterisk or >=> any version. P.s and I got 4 Noricum Gepards under my bed, I checked yesterday. Still creepy, as usual, but no signs of Guitar. |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 21, 2017 17:43:08 GMT -5
Quick to point out you've lost many battles due to being on teams with mixed-league squads but don't mention that you've also won many battles against teams with mixed-league squads. It's worth noting that you've been on both the losing side and the winning side of those mixed-league squads, Sergeant. Irrelevant. Good players don't want bull「dookie」 matches of any stripe. |
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Post by RagingFire on Jun 21, 2017 17:47:01 GMT -5
This doesn't always Aply I'm in gold 3 and squaded with a clanmate in diamond 1. Everyone except for me and a guy in gold one were in diamond. We won and I got 2 place in damage
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 23, 2017 23:40:25 GMT -5
Ok, Brackets around my name are Removed. Hopefully you and Dredd can sleep better at night. Just remember..I'm still hiding under your bed... That's a scary place. Have you seen any socks, and a couple of right-foot flip-flops? I feared they got sucked into the wormhole hidden somewhere in my clothes dryer, but I never thought to look at the other end of it, which I have on pretty good authority is under the bed. A lot of people would be forever indebted to whoever can solve that little mystery. Stephen Hawking has been no help whatsoever. Like we're supposed to believe he's got something more important to do. |
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Post by mechtout on Jun 24, 2017 14:17:21 GMT -5
Appologize for name calling, but dont back pedal op. tell em to bring dem orkans, bring it!!!  |
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 24, 2017 17:13:51 GMT -5
I'm reading alot of: "Everybody's fault why I lose." ..
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jul 21, 2017 9:47:33 GMT -5
To all morons who squad with others way out of their league, either higher or lower - KNOCK IT OFF! Please understand that you're shooting yourself and your whole team in the foot, effectively giving red team extra players in most cases. If you're Diamond 1 and you squad with a Silver 2 guy, guess what usually happens? Sliver guy is usually way under powered and will under perform, effectively making blue short a man, and red with a bonus player. It works the same with any squad arrangement. MM still bases opposition on the strongest player/highest league in the squad, so results for blue are usually disastrous. I can't tell you how many battles I've lost due to the poor judgement of random blue partial squads. As a general rule, it's best to stay within one League rank up or down to avoid being the odd man out. Thank you for your cooperation, and thank you, Pixonic, for the wonderful Leagues. Yippee. Yeah, resurrecting the dead here for a moment. Bear with me please. I yo-yo up and down the ridiculous league rankings by choice since I often change up my hanger just to play. Emphasis on the word play. Pixonic screwed up with league rankings. Leagues are for teams. We are not teams. We are individuals. By using the league rankings to create teams for the matches Pixonic is causing some players to do as the OP suggests, exclude clan members and friends from their squads. Not cool. In my clan I expect players to play with anyone regardless of rank. Newer players learn a lot from the more experienced players if they're paying attention. Especially if they're using a voice comms. And it's just more enjoyable for everyone if they let it be. That ridiculous "league" really gets to me. As stated we're not teams. The way it's set up it just causes frustration and unjustified anger at other players for "not playing the way I expect they should be playing" b*llsh*t. And worse because one's ranking is used to create the teams it most definitely causes lopsided equipment matching. In solo matches it gets even worse as your squads almost always get pitted against a full solo team of players matching your squad's highest ranked member. Total b*llsh*t. I created a matching formula that eliminates tanking and puts the skill factor back into matches instead of the win by upgrades we usually get by matching all players by their hanger's equipment, upgrades and even hanger size. It won't allow tanking as no matter how a player configures their hanger they will always be matched with other players with similar sized and upgraded hangers. Always. And no player would have to face opposition that out upgrades them or has more bots than they do. It kills clubbing as well as tanking. It will allow players to play with anyone without causing those equipment disparities we see all the time right now. And I've sent that suggestion to Pixonic through the in game Support page, their FaceBook page, and their developers email address. Excluding players isn't the answer. Petitioning for changes in the ranking and the matchmaking systems enmasse might have some effect. Hit the envelope button in the game and write your complaints and suggestions out to Pixonic on their Support page. If there are more than just a few sporatic complaints they just might go to some effort to make beneficial changes to the game. It takes a lot of complaints coming all at once to get some peoples' attention. It can't hurt to try can it? |
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Post by Opus4Pres on Aug 5, 2017 21:49:00 GMT -5
Say it ain't so SGT!!! OR. Really, is that all you got? First, my apologies if to many of you if this is already considered a beaten dead subject. Secondly kudos to you SGT! This will be my first post ever to the forum, one which I have been reading and learning from for well over a year now and I owe it all to your original post. I have never bothered to post because my general attitude is unless you have Knowledge/advice to give, no one really gives a damn about an opinion. I came to this forum to learn and pass on to my clan and to that end this forum has been an invaluable asset. You could say your post hit what has been a very real and raw issue to our clan and I completely understand the Mathematical reasoning behind your original post. I'm curious to know if you understand what a BS slap in the face your comment is too younger growing clans and their ability to even squad together given Pix's complete screwing of most clans due to the current league system? Pre- League system our clan was ranked solidly 100-120 range and we were building a core crew of solid players. Pro- class .... No, but we knew where our weakness were and had a plan to get better ( Obviously just our hope). We had older players with better hangers and a better grip on tactics and newer members who were building hangers and as a whole learning together. Since the League system was implemented it has been a complete lopsided joke which is the given "norm" for many if not most of the clans that try their best to build/grow. Once the league was rolled-out our clan was separated into Mostly Diamond and Expert with a few master and Champion players. We know where our hangers need to be in order to rebuild and grow, we know how important adding better comm (discord) will be for improved live battle strategy. And as I stated initially I have many times come to this forum to read and learn from the likes of you and many of the posters to this thread. So what I'd like to know, is based on your original post...... What should I tell my clan members, for that matter most all of the other younger clans? I mean based on your factually correct math based on a very broken league system we are all "Morons" and given the current system should just disband now. Many of us have written far to many email to support trying to explain how the current system has made squad play all but impossible for our clan and the replys have been for the most part useless. I know you walked back the moron part ( I do gots a masters in injuneering so don't think I am but I digress) but I mean it when I ask sincerely from you...... Any of you! What the hell do we do??? Thanks again for forcing me to post to the forum and I'll go take my med's and hope perhaps some helpful feedback might be forthcoming, after all that's why I've been lurking for far to long |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 0:53:32 GMT -5
to counter mixed league squad l use mixed maxed hangar! 3 average 2 maxed so when l get mad against some bad champs l go heavy weight and they detect pretty quickly the change when they see the glow and the typical approach of an ancilot / orkan maxed piloted by a silver brawler! at least its sparkles a l'ill bit down there! hehe!! so my advice is get 1 bot maxed in your hangar ! pretty good for relapsing frustration (rhino,lance,griff pdb/db and or of course a raptor carny! ).
to stay on topic mixed league squad is ok to me l've learn a lot along those game play where standing alive over 20seconds is a real victory of course it can be frustrating but what! get toasted is a part of the game ! lose battle due to poorly skillled teammates or wrong decision in the very wrong place is common! loopsided matchmaking too! l don't see any difference!!
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Aug 9, 2017 7:29:43 GMT -5
to counter mixed league squad l use mixed maxed hangar! 3 average 2 maxed so when l get mad against some bad champs l go heavy weight and they detect pretty quickly the change when they see the glow and the typical approach of an ancilot / orkan maxed piloted by a silver brawler! at least its sparkles a l'ill bit down there! hehe!! so my advice is get 1 bot maxed in your hangar ! pretty good for relapsing frustration (rhino,lance,griff pdb/db and or of course a raptor carny! ). to stay on topic mixed league squad is ok to me l've learn a lot along those game play where standing alive over 20seconds is a real victory of course it can be frustrating but what! get toasted is a part of the game ! lose battle due to poorly skillled teammates or wrong decision in the very wrong place is common! loopsided matchmaking too! l don't see any difference!! Yup. After a war it's the winners that write new rules for warfare. Ever noticed that it's their own actions that they condemn as much as that of their enemy? General Sherman said it best, "War is hell." As for ethics, in a war I would have none. I'll certainly never volunteer to go to another country and harass and kill its citizens in their own homes. My gov't wouldn't even be able to force me to. But if anyone dares to invade my country they had best be looking in all directions at once. Because me and mine never signed any stupid accords or conventions. |
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Post by psyknyss on Aug 17, 2017 23:52:07 GMT -5
Why do we have leagues when silver is flooded with gold and diamond leaguers? I'm fighting higher level players that somehow seem to be allowed into lower leagues. Is this how they keep high win percentages and is this part of the reason i cant get out of silver? It isnt helping me and it definitely pads their numbers and keeps their league rating high since i only have level 7 and 8 weapons and they have 10, 11 and 12 level weapons. This should not be happening.
Why is the game code allowing this? Leagues are a joke without punchline -pointless and in no way fun or funny. I looked tonight and there was only one other silver player in a silver league battle the rest were all
gold and diamond and my league numbers fell some more. If there are not enough players in a league then then the battles should be smaller and as evenly matched as possible but members from other leagues should not be substituted in because that would mean war robots doesnt play in leagues. College sport players are not allowed to play against or with high school teams and pros or pee wee leaguers dont mix into other leagues at random so why is this happening in this game when war robots bragged about the creation of league play? It's not like only happens occassionally, it is everyday, every battle, all the time. The game code should be written so that mixed league squads could not occur....actually, if the code simply keep leagues seperated, then mixed league squads wouldnt happen. I'm sick of losing to teams filled with players from higer leagues and being robbed of my league points that get awarded from silver league to gold and diamond league players. DO SOMETHING GAME CODERS TO KEEP LEAGUES SEPERATE, TO KEEP LEAGUE POINTS IN THE LEAGUE THEY BELONG TO AND STOP LOWER LEAGUES FROM BEING PILLAGED BY HIGHER LEAGUES -- IT'S RIDICULOUS!
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Post by moses on Aug 18, 2017 0:39:56 GMT -5
I've actually been thinking about my OP and some of the responses. To clarify, I'm hoping to see less squad match ups that you wouldn't find in completely random games. Someone mentioned being in Champ league and squadding with clan mates in Expert. I'm fine with that, since my Expert profile is regularly lumped in with everything from Gold 1 to Champions when I'm running solo. It's the Champ in squad with Silver and Bronze that gets me worked up, at least when they're blue As a simple way to resolve the original issue, for all those who want to teach their lower league clan mates or just have fun together in mixed league squad then doing so as a full 6 person squad is a sure fire way to avoid the situation SGT is talking about entirely. For partial squads I think there are a couple of things to consider: - Current matchmaking (on iOS at least) is a random selection of Diamond to Champ so partial squad mixed in that range doesn't change it that much vs a random squad - personally I observe that in those random matches the balance of diamond / expert players vs champions does usually make a difference (I.e. If one team has 4-5 champions and the other has 3 diamond, 2 expert and 1 champion, odds are that the first team will win meaningfully more than 50% of the time) - given these two points if we talk partial squads within this diamond to champions range then you are not disadvantaging fellow blues, however there would be a benefit for you in managing the mix - for example, better 3x champion with 1x diamond than vice versa Personally I wish matchmaking would actually work like it is supposed to and give a tight range of league points and each random game was 6v6 champions / borderline masters. The rare times this happens randomly through matchmaking, the competitiveness, quality of play and hence overall enjoyment of the game is noticeably higher win or lose. To the point made earlier that SGT is not complaining about the flip side "benefit" when those lower league guys are on red - personally enjoyment from a "win" comes from actually feeling like your team fought for it and came out on top in a fair contest. If the playing field is unbalanced and the opposition had only 5 players, it takes away from the quality of that win as it is no longer a reflection of a good game fought by blue, but rather just an almost inevitable result of the handicap on red side. So a low quality win is just as bad for long term enjoyment of the game. |
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I lost to some of those (what a beautiful world...). so to be precise, you should condemn mixed hanger level squads (and tanking, of course...)
he was so excited getting a thunder carnage and kept suggesting "let's squad and we all start with thunder carnage!!" 
