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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 12, 2017 11:15:44 GMT -5
Let's analyze here. What can you get with influence points?
Jesse: 3,500 IP
Doc: 7,000 IP
Butch: 14,000 IP
Currently, how do you get influence points? There is literally only one way. Inviting five Facebook friends every single day in exchange for 15 influence points. On the rare occasion you invite someone that's actually new and they play for a couple hours, you get 600 influence points. Let's assume that won't happen for the following reason.
Nobody in their right mind is going to link their real Facebook to War Robots AND send five invites AND share a post about it to their real Facebook every single day. So who will be the only people actually completing this task? People using fake Facebook profiles. And people that use a Facebook just for War Robots, who are their friends? Other War Robots players. So this whole thing isn't really exposing the game to anyone other than those who already play it. So there's no benefit to the game.
Also, since you likely aren't actually inviting anyone new, you're stuck to 30 IP daily. This means it'll take 117 days, 234 days, and 468 days, respectively to get each bot. Or, to round it out, TWO YEARS to get all three.
What is the other, more realistic outcome? People will exploit the system. The people that have multiple devices will create a bunch of different facebooks, and keep getting themselves 600IP over and over. It would take a skilled player maybe 30 minutes to reach level 5 from a new account. So in a few hours, they can get 3,000 points a day. But like many other aspects of the game, this feature ONLY BENEFITS EXPLOITERS.
They need to make the benefits better, and make it so you don't have to share the post on your Facebook. And not have to invite FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE every damn day.
/fin
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 12, 2017 14:42:45 GMT -5
Yes, if you have the time, software, and ability to record yourself playing and upload the video. A benefit for a relatively small segment of the players in the game. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 12, 2017 14:47:20 GMT -5
Yes, if you have the time, software, and ability to record yourself playing and upload the video. A benefit for a relatively small segment of the players in the game. I get the impression that nothing short of just handing them out by the ladleful will get approval from you.  I don't care for the IP idea myself, but tons of entertainment businesses use a "street team" to generate interest and buzz. Those people are often rewarded by free merchandise or gear. How is this any different? Hell, even political parties do stuff like this. |
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Post by hyderier on Jun 12, 2017 14:52:51 GMT -5
Currently, how do you get influence points? There is literally only one way. Inviting five Facebook friends every single day in exchange for 15 influence points. Umm. There are two ways. The other way is paying Au to get them. To get to the buying screen, go to bot store and try to buy Jesse, Doc or Butch. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 12, 2017 14:55:13 GMT -5
Currently, how do you get influence points? There is literally only one way. Inviting five Facebook friends every single day in exchange for 15 influence points. Umm. There are two ways. The other way is paying Au to get them. To get to the buying screen, go to bot store and try to buy Jesse, Doc or Butch. That brings me back to the price. They cost nearly 3x the cash price of every other premium bot in the game. There's no reason for that. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 12, 2017 14:59:12 GMT -5
Umm. There are two ways. The other way is paying Au to get them. To get to the buying screen, go to bot store and try to buy Jesse, Doc or Butch. That brings me back to the price. They cost nearly 3x the cash price of every other premium bot in the game. There's no reason for that. Says who? |
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 12, 2017 15:00:26 GMT -5
I just ignore 'em. No harm, no foul. Wild West bots look like a lot of fun, but I'm willing to wait until they become a little cheaper to grab 'em with gold.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 12, 2017 15:04:57 GMT -5
Dredd77 I get the impression today that you'll just immediately discredit any opinion that goes against just shoveling money their way. I don't want to be able to acquire 25k IP in a week and get all three bots easily. But the fact that it literally takes two years to acquire enough points for these three bots is absurd. And part of my post wasn't even about the payout of them. It was about the fact that it doesn't even benefit Pixonic. Forcing people to do five invites at a time every day means almost nobody is going to do that if they have their real Facebook linked. I know I'm not willing to piss off my real friends for a mobile game benefit. (I personally just ignore these kinds of invites in my feed, but some people get pretty dang irate). So people for the most part are just sending invites from their War Robots Facebook to other current players' War Robots Facebook. There is no exposure to new players. These types of things with other games that I've seen have been a lot more effective. It lets you select the friends you want to send to, gives you a "per invite" reward. They don't forcefully pick 5 people at random, make you send it to all 5, and give you a minimal total reward for the 5, AND make you post to your wall for all your friends to see. (There's usually a separate task and bonus in other games for posting the game to your wall). So payouts aside, my main issue with the IP as they've implemented it is that the system they're using is flawed at its very core. The only people that are going to benefit are exploiters, and Pixonic themselves aren't even going to benefit. All grievances aside, I like the fact that they're reaching out to the community and coming up with other ways for players to earn them. That's a great idea, and that does actually benefit them as a company. They just shouldn't release or implement things into the live server before they're ready. And remember my theme of my posts for the day? Mistakes they make that remind us of other mistakes they've made. They're reaching out to the community for ideas on IP. Remember last time they reached out to the community? The round table. The most influential players in the game trying to tell Pixonic what's wrong with the game. They talked over people that were too bluntly honest, talked down ideas, and months later have not done a single thing to address any of the issues the players brought up.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 12, 2017 15:10:52 GMT -5
That brings me back to the price. They cost nearly 3x the cash price of every other premium bot in the game. There's no reason for that. Says who? The players. When bots have regularly cost a certain price, and now the company that's already losing player confidence decides they're going to start charging 3x the price for similar goods. How are the players supposed to take that? I get that you don't agree with people complaining about the game. But you're taking a very tyrannical approach to your replies today. I am allowed an opinion, correct? And it is fair to assume most people don't want to pay 3x the price for the same goods, correct? If you got premium gas last week and filled your tank for $3 a gallon, and then you went this week and it was $8.50 a gallon, would you not be upset? Sure, who says that can't just do that because they say so. That doesn't make it right or acceptable. And people would respond accordingly. The same concept applies to any free market, including this game. The problem is, they disguise it as something special like Influence Points. Lots of people aren't math people, they aren't going to piece together than it costs three times as much if you do the conversion. They're just going to say oh cool new bots here's my money. I don't like the fact that deception is being used to induce purchases. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 12, 2017 15:15:01 GMT -5
The players. When bots have regularly cost a certain price, and now the company that's already losing player confidence decides they're going to start charging 3x the price for similar goods. How are the players supposed to take that? I get that you don't agree with people complaining about the game. But you're taking a very tyrannical approach to your replies today. I am allowed an opinion, correct? And it is fair to assume most people don't want to pay 3x the price for the same goods, correct? If you got premium gas last week and filled your tank for $3 a gallon, and then you went this week and it was $8.50 a gallon, would you not be upset? Sure, who says that can't just do that because they say so. That doesn't make it right or acceptable. And people would respond accordingly. The same concept applies to any free market, including this game. The problem is, they disguise it as something special like Influence Points. Lots of people aren't math people, they aren't going to piece together than it costs three times as much if you do the conversion. They're just going to say oh cool new bots here's my money. I don't like the fact that deception is being used to induce purchases. Tyrannical, seriously? The problem I have with your outlook is that you're effectively trying to pass off entitled-self interest as something nobler. I get it, you feel that the things you want in this game should be easier for you to obtain. But they're not. I see this as game design. You see it as some kind of oppression. It's a game, son. |
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Post by hyderier on Jun 12, 2017 15:17:14 GMT -5
Umm. There are two ways. The other way is paying Au to get them. To get to the buying screen, go to bot store and try to buy Jesse, Doc or Butch. That brings me back to the price. They cost nearly 3x the cash price of every other premium bot in the game. There's no reason for that. Well, it keeps 'em exclusive. Folks who bought them earlier would be kinda screwed over if Pix dropped their price to match other Au bots. And of course this paves way for pricing of the new bots and weps. Prepare to weep. |
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Post by bugdoc on Jun 12, 2017 15:25:57 GMT -5
I agree with the OP that influence points will benefit virtually no one, including Pixonic. I'm certainly not jumping through the FB hoops necessary to earn even a fraction needed to buy a Wild Bunch bot.
Regarding the Au cost of the Wild Bunch, it reminds me of my Dad telling me the definition of value: An item is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it. If enough people are willing to shell out the cost in Gold for the WB, Pix will leave the price as-is. If (as I suspect) they find no one is willing to fork over gold or earn enough IP for them, they will eventually drop the price.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 12, 2017 15:28:21 GMT -5
Dredd77 the tyrannical comment was directed towards you, not the game. As in discrediting any opinion that differs from yours, which you're doing repeatedly today. I'm stating my opinion, and using figures and facts to substantiate why I feel the way I do. And you're discrediting my opinions because they aren't yours. I don't feel entitled to anything. I simply want the game to be better, and it can be. And you would get that from my posts if you didn't hold a grain of salt to them before you even started reading them. How about another real life example. You buy wheat bread regularly at the store from Brand A for $3 a loaf. The store comes out with Brand B of wheat bread. It's new and different, but is very comparable to Brand A's wheat bread. There's a catch though. Brand B bread can only be purchased with store credits, and it costs 100 store credits per loaf. You can either earn store credits or purchase them. To earn them, you can earn 1 store credit for every shopping trip you make (limit 1 per day). So you can get a loaf of bread for free in 100 days. Alternatively, they have a SALE! The bread is advertised as so: "This bread is usually 100 store credits, but today you can buy the bread for 85 store credits(15% off!!!), and you can also purchase store credits for the price of 100 credits per $10!" When you applied Pixonics deal structuring to a real life scenario, it seems pretty ridiculous doesn't it? But you know what? It's also confusing. Which means gullible consumers will fall for it. There are some people who's brains simply don't work in a mathematical fashion. People that may be great at other things, but not at math. Their mind will not simply say "hey, why does this loaf of bread cost $8.50 when that other loaf of bread that's just as good only costs $3?"
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 12, 2017 15:35:13 GMT -5
Dredd77 the tyrannical comment was directed towards you, not the game. As in discrediting any opinion that differs from yours, which you're doing repeatedly today. I'm stating my opinion, and using figures and facts to substantiate why I feel the way I do. And you're discrediting my opinions because they aren't yours. I don't feel entitled to anything. I simply want the game to be better, and it can be. And you would get that from my posts if you didn't hold a grain of salt to them before you even started reading them. I'm discrediting your opinions because they're terrible, bereft of even the facade of supporting data or logic. EDIT: Let me soften that a bit. I'm critical of you right now because you're writing op-ed pieces and trying to get them passed off in the news section. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 12, 2017 15:51:33 GMT -5
Dredd77 the tyrannical comment was directed towards you, not the game. As in discrediting any opinion that differs from yours, which you're doing repeatedly today. I'm stating my opinion, and using figures and facts to substantiate why I feel the way I do. And you're discrediting my opinions because they aren't yours. I don't feel entitled to anything. I simply want the game to be better, and it can be. And you would get that from my posts if you didn't hold a grain of salt to them before you even started reading them. I'm discrediting your opinions because they're terrible, bereft of even the facade of supporting data or logic. EDIT: Let me soften that a bit. I'm critical of you right now because you're writing op-ed pieces and trying to get them passed off in the news section. I don't even get what you're trying to say with that edit. You've seen me post here plenty before. You know I'm always elaborate with my explanations. It's just how I write. I'm not going to simplify what I have to say down to one sentence when there is explanation to be given for it. Just like I'm not going to say your Gepard Diaries are stupid because they're long and in depth. I enjoy your blog, because it's informative, and you generally back up everything you say with either a reason or a fact. That's how I've always conducted my arguments and opinions when writing on a public forum. Words are meaningless without reason behind them. |
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Post by Dejnov on Jun 12, 2017 16:23:37 GMT -5
Yes, if you have the time, software, and ability to record yourself playing and upload the video. A benefit for a relatively small segment of the players in the game. I get the impression that nothing short of just handing them out by the ladleful will get approval from you. I don't care for the IP idea myself, but tons of entertainment businesses use a "street team" to generate interest and buzz. Those people are often rewarded by free merchandise or gear. How is this any different? Hell, even political parties do stuff like this.
Yeah now that you mention it... Why am I NOT getting free Oscar goodie bags!! I deserve one also. What the hell... this world is so messed up; those actors don't deserve it anyways... two bit hacks... =)
Dejnov.
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Post by piginapoke on Jun 13, 2017 10:18:03 GMT -5
Ok. So, they are expensive. Don't buy them then. You can remark that they are expensive, but don't keep banging on about it. You don't have to buy anything. Nobody forces you. If you decide to buy, it is because you want to, not because you have to. You get your arse handed to you by a higher tier player that you consider to be a "wallet warrior"? Well, either dip into your own pocket or just bide your time. You will get there.
I can't afford a Lamborghini but it doesn't mean I go about telling people that it is unfair that they are expensive,that they are a rip-off and that they should be cheaper so that all of us can drive around in one.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 13, 2017 10:49:07 GMT -5
Ok. So, they are expensive. Don't buy them then. You can remark that they are expensive, but don't keep banging on about it. You don't have to buy anything. Nobody forces you. If you decide to buy, it is because you want to, not because you have to. You get your arse handed to you by a higher tier player that you consider to be a "wallet warrior"? Well, either dip into your own pocket or just bide your time. You will get there. I can't afford a Lamborghini but it doesn't mean I go about telling people that it is unfair that they are expensive,that they are a rip-off and that they should be cheaper so that all of us can drive around in one. For one, I don't care that they're expensive. Everything in the game is expensive. Secondly, I wasn't banging on about it. I was responding to personal attacks on my character. I'm not going to let someone, whether they're in power or not, treat me like 「dookie」 and just take it. Thirdly, the point of the post, which everyone ignores because Dredd decided to start a personal crusade against me yesterday and everyone loves Dredd, is that they are a flawed system the way they've been implemented. The "street crew" is a great branch off from it. But the invite system the way it is will not get any new players into the game. Nor will it get any of the current players any in game benefit. If that part of the system has two sides, and both sides effectively do nothing, the system is stupid. That's the point. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 13, 2017 10:51:44 GMT -5
piginapokeAlso, you're not getting a Lamborghini. It's the equivalent of charging $10k for a Honda Accord and $30k for a Ford Focus. They're similar cars with similar qualities and performance. Usually things like that are priced similarly. I look at things with a practical mind-set, so I apologize if that offends you.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 13, 2017 10:54:42 GMT -5
Ok. So, they are expensive. Don't buy them then. You can remark that they are expensive, but don't keep banging on about it. You don't have to buy anything. Nobody forces you. If you decide to buy, it is because you want to, not because you have to. You get your arse handed to you by a higher tier player that you consider to be a "wallet warrior"? Well, either dip into your own pocket or just bide your time. You will get there. I can't afford a Lamborghini but it doesn't mean I go about telling people that it is unfair that they are expensive,that they are a rip-off and that they should be cheaper so that all of us can drive around in one. For one, I don't care that they're expensive. Everything in the game is expensive. Secondly, I wasn't banging on about it. I was responding to personal attacks on my character. I'm not going to let someone, whether they're in power or not, treat me like ?poo-poo? and just take it. Thirdly, the point of the post, which everyone ignores because Dredd decided to start a personal crusade against me yesterday and everyone loves Dredd, is that they are a flawed system the way they've been implemented. The "street crew" is a great branch off from it. But the invite system the way it is will not get any new players into the game. Nor will it get any of the current players any in game benefit. If that part of the system has two sides, and both sides effectively do nothing, the system is stupid. That's the point. You know, usually a good night's sleep sort of hits the grumpiness reset button, so I'm guessing you didn't sleep very well last night. And this is the sort of silliness that keeps getting you into trouble. It's not "Dredd's Crusade" that makes you spew obviously false or entirely unverifiable statements like "the invite system will not get any new players into the game." You don't know that, so stop pretending you've got some crystal ball stashed away somewhere. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? I have a guess...  |
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Post by piginapoke on Jun 13, 2017 11:04:55 GMT -5
piginapoke Also, you're not getting a Lamborghini. It's the equivalent of charging $10k for a Honda Accord and $30k for a Ford Focus. They're similar cars with similar qualities and performance. Usually things like that are priced similarly. I look at things with a practical mind-set, so I apologize if that offends you. No need to apologize for your mind-set. Not offended at all. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 13, 2017 11:06:24 GMT -5
Dredd77 How many people do you know that have their real FB linked to the game and are sending out 5 invites to their real life friends every day in addition to posting the invite to their own wall? I'm in a few Discord channels with about 300 people across the lot of them, and I can count on my hands how many people use their real Facebook. I realize that's a small sample size in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of people that have downloaded the game. But it's a pretty insignificant portion of that sample size that even have the possibility of exposing the game to new people through this system. Not to mention, have you heard of opinion and hypothetical analysis? "I think the influence point system is stupid, and this is why". You can disagree. But don't just tell me I'm wrong and provide no reason other than attacking my character.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 13, 2017 11:12:54 GMT -5
I realize that's a small sample size in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of people that have downloaded the game. Oh good, you're providing bad data, but this is actually an improvement from last night when you provided no data. The game has been downloaded in excess of 50 million times. This obviously is not a 1:1 indicator of the number of people who have downloaded the game, but let's be generous and inflate your paltry estimate of "hundreds of thousands" into a nice, even million. That means using your data, each person who has downloaded War Robots, has downloaded it fifty times. This is what I keep talking about, bud. For someone touting his credentials as a "finance major," you just seem awfully un-analytical. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:34:22 GMT -5
This game has been downloaded 50M times, yes, but that includes people who had quit throughout the 2-3 years War Robots has been out, the people who uninstalled + reinstalled for game issues and yes, the people who currently play it.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 13, 2017 13:40:54 GMT -5
This game has been downloaded 50M times, yes, but that includes people who had quit throughout the 2-3 years War Robots has been out, the people who uninstalled + reinstalled for game issues and yes, the people who currently play it. Absolutely. Also worth noting the daily actives figure is at the 1m mark. And since not everyone logs in every single day like us addicts... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:44:08 GMT -5
Absolutely. Also worth noting the daily actives figure is at the 1m mark. And since not everyone logs in every single day like us addicts... 1 million user logins per day seems a bit far-fetched. Probably 1 million times War Robots has been opened per day. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 13, 2017 13:48:53 GMT -5
Absolutely. Also worth noting the daily actives figure is at the 1m mark. And since not everyone logs in every single day like us addicts... 1 million user logins per day seems a bit far-fetched. Probably 1 million times War Robots has been opened per day. My bad, it's 1.5m "players" per day, not 1.0m. Source. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:55:44 GMT -5
1 million user logins per day seems a bit far-fetched. Probably 1 million times War Robots has been opened per day. My bad, it's 1.5m "players" per day, not 1.0m. Source. If1.5M people were playing every day, we wouldn't have matchmaking problems and Pixonic wouldn't have to merge Diamond to Champion in one league. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 13, 2017 14:01:59 GMT -5
My bad, it's 1.5m "players" per day, not 1.0m. Source. If1.5M people were playing every day, we wouldn't have matchmaking problems and Pixonic wouldn't have to merge Diamond to Champion in one league. Sure, we can speculate. Nothing wrong with skepticism, but in the absence of data, speculation is all it is. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 13, 2017 14:20:14 GMT -5
Dredd77Is that 1.5million across all platforms? Considering it's a worldwide game and not all the people are active at the same time I could see there still being some matchmaking issues if that was the case. But from what we can tell from that site (I'm not sure if there's anything more in depth elsewhere), we don't know if that's unique players, or just how many times the app is opened by a device, or if it's even an accurate number to begin with. But alas, as you say. All we have is speculation.
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