SwitcherLP
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Just a little bot trying to make it in a big bot's world...
Posts: 121
Karma: 80
Pilot name: Switcher Legendary Pilot
Platform: Android
Clan: [IRΩN] Formerly
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Storm Nemesis
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Post by SwitcherLP on Dec 17, 2016 20:39:09 GMT -5
Ok, so I am a newer player trying to compete at too high a level. I sometimes to really good, and sometimes get embarassingly mopped. Here is what I got:
lvl 29 8 Leo 8/8/8/6 mags/thunder/crv 6 Leo 6/6/6/5 pins/thunder 8 Gol 5/5/5 crv/tulumbas/thunder 6 Nat 6/6/6/6 kangs/gekkos
14,695 WSP 2285 Au
I know I am outclassed, but I am seeking to maximize my contributions to my Clan squad battles, where I am with pretty high lvl and ability mates. I usually start off with my 8 Leo to back up my mates to maximize damage, then follow with either the Golem or other Leo, depending upon what is more needed, speed or shield blasting, then go last with the Natasha as it is SLOW moving and SLOW damage. I was saving for a Rhino, but I am now wondering if that is the best purchase as my weaponry is pretty weak. I don't spend money on the game, but might splurge if they have the Gepard and Gold special again.
So, please let me know with some recommendations. I know my leveling is WAY off, I am sorrowfully a Trash Golder, LOL.
EDIT: I also don't mind starting over with new/lower lvl/different bots. I just need overall guidance from others who have been where I am, I don't like re-inventing the wheel.
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Post by Curry Pot on Dec 18, 2016 1:21:33 GMT -5
One general rule of thumb in this game is that you should keep all of your bots and weapons around the same level, because MM only accounts for your strongest bot. Ag medium bots and light bots can be leveled slightly higher because MM doesn't weigh them as much. If one of your bots is far ahead of the rest, either get the rest to its level or take it out of the hangar for now, because it's pulling the rest of your hangar up. Also, there's a general consensus that mixing weapon ranges on a bot is a bad idea, so either replace the CRVs on the leos with Pinatas or Magnums or replace the Thunder with a Trident.
Most users here would agree that the Golem is no longer competitive at the level you play at, and the Leo, Griffin or Carnage will do better in its role. The Natasha is a highly questionable choice, and its weapons are too low level to really make a difference. Sniper bots are clinging on by a thread in the meta, and may be costing your team games. Consider replacing it with a Griffin, which is one of the best Ag bots and the the most common Ag bot in upper tier games. The Russian Death Button is very effective and cheap, but other setups might serve you better. Leos are pretty good bots for their price, but should be replaced when you have the money for better bots, which is honestly a long way off
As for the Rhino, it has had its day and is no longer the dominant bot, but still performs relatively well if played right. The Rhino depends a lot on its weaponry to be effective, and it's not very useful without Tarans or Orkans. The Tulumbas is sometimes used as a poor man's Orkan, but performs that role poorly and will get creamed by specialized close range bots. The Rhino is rarely used outside of close range for a reason, so keep that in mind if you are running one.
You should consider unlocking the fifth slot, as it will give your hangar a lot more staying power and versatility. Granted, you may not get to your fifth bot most of the time, but the extra slot gives you a lot more options in battle and is generally worth it. The Orkan and Galahad are both excellent gold purchases, and it's not unreasonable to get them before the fifth slot. As for weapons, try to keep the all the weapons on a bot the same weapon type, and try not to mix ranges. Generally, the shorter the range, the stronger the weapon. Tarans, Magnums, and Tridents are all good weapons for your WSP, so consider buying some of them.
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Post by B30RLL on Dec 18, 2016 1:59:21 GMT -5
Your 8/8 leo is probably getting you thrown into even low gold now and then so don't upgrade your L8 stuff up anymore until rest of your weaps are same level. If I were you I would shelve the L8 bots for now and make all bots L6 so aiming for a clean 6/8 hanger. Agree with Curry Pot to try R D B griff - good thing is griffs are L6 default so can run right out of the box, and you alread have some pins and tulums around. Also griff is a staple of higher tier game so you need to get good at using them. Get a trident for your pin leo instead of the thunder. If you choose to do the R D B griff that will be 2 mid-rangers in your hanger but think it's ok if you do squading a lot. Mid-range support can be your thing. Unless you are really good at it, drop the tasha for now. Suggest you replace with a faster guy that can run beacons when have to - stalker is a popular choice and you have the wsp for it. Equip with pinatas which are dirt cheap. For near-term purchase suggest you get a galahad (2.5k au) and deck out plasma on it. Getting 5th slot is usually priority but think for you, you definitely need an edgier guy in your lineup.
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Post by zeus on Dec 18, 2016 2:00:08 GMT -5
I assume your clan play in trash gold since your bots are trash gold. Get rid of Natasha, in place, buy a rdb griffin, tulus and crv pins, all of them cost silver so it's a fast and easy mid range set up. If you like gekkos and want them to be part of your build, try Zeus/kwk/treb gekko Leo. You're almost up to a Galahad in gold, so it's up to you if you want to get a plasma Galahad or buy Orkans. Orkans will set you up for a db griffin, orkans and pinatas, very deadly burst damage. Plasma Galahad is an all round bot with a shield, good for capping, defending beacons and killing reds.
In the meanwhile, keep your Leos, they are the most functional bots in your hangar. Start with golem, get rid of golem. Get a plasma griffin, tarans and magnums. I don't recommend getting a rhino just yet, you need tarans and magnums, weapons before bots. A thunder carnage might not be that bad a choice though, since it comes with everything it needs.
You can also get magnums for your Leo, but I don't think it's that great. An interim thunder pinata Leo can work out too, just to stuff the gap while you are levelling weapons.
I suggest that if you do make changes, do it one bot at a time. It's going to take a while to level those weapons.
So some possible bots you can have, plasma griffin, db griffin or plasma Galahad, rdb griffin, gecko Leo, rdb griffin, magnum thunder Leo, thunder pinata Leo.
If possible, buy a Leo and store that level 8 Leo for now. If you do that, you must bench your Natasha as well. Keep your heavy bots at level 6 for now and level your weapons to 8.
Good luck, it's a lot of work but you will see that effort pay off as your weapons level up.
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Post by petevb on Dec 18, 2016 5:20:24 GMT -5
You need to get more mobility into your hanger along with more effective weapons combos. I would go something like:
1. Plasma Death Button Griffin / Russian Death Button Griffin / Piñata Thunder Leo x 2 > 2x Taran, 1x Tulumbas, 3 x Piñata (11,300 WSP) -then- 2. Plasma Death Button Griffin / Russian Death Button Griffin / Piñata Thunder Leo / Plasma Galahad > 1x Taran, 2x Magnum (13,150 WSP, 2500 AU) -finally- 3. 5th Slot. Add a Rhino Plasma Death Button, taking the weapons from the Griffin. Convert the Griffin to Death Button > (5000 + 2400 Au, 15,000 WSP)
Plasma Death Button Rhino / Plasma Death Button Galahad / Russian Death Button Griffin / Death Button Griffin / Thunder Piñata Leo is a solid hanger, much more mobile and versatile than what you have now. At that point if you get some Aphids for the Leo you could use any of those bots through top tier, and you'll have the right mix of brawlers, splash, mid-range and mobility. $.02
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Dec 18, 2016 6:11:03 GMT -5
Because you're not in a wiki clan, you won't get blasted for gradually switching up your hangar seamlessly while playing in bronze.
Grab yourself a new set of the prescribed bots everyone's been saying to get, while getting the weaps you have and sticking them on Lvl 2 light bots. This'll get you through the switch while keeping your difficulty level as manageable as possible while you do so.
Don't have to listen to salt tho.
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SwitcherLP
Destrier
Just a little bot trying to make it in a big bot's world...
Posts: 121
Karma: 80
Pilot name: Switcher Legendary Pilot
Platform: Android
Clan: [IRΩN] Formerly
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Storm Nemesis
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Post by SwitcherLP on Dec 21, 2016 1:08:52 GMT -5
I really appreciate all the input guys. I have decided weapons before bots, as was recommended. I now have 2 gekkos, 3 magnums, a Taran, and a trident. I am definitely saving for slot 5, but I am soooooo tempted to get a Galahad, that is my dream bot, but it will be much easier saving for one of those than for the 5th slot AGAIN. I have been playing in lower/upper bronze with existing weaponry and have been doing quite well, I have just been playing over my actual bot level with my clan, as they bring me into gold lvl in every match we play together. I have also been doing a bit of farming with 4 3/5 thunder Shutzes, which now are giving the beloved Snowflakes!
So I have 2 Griffins now in my garage, and I have been avoiding them as I bring them down quite easily with my bots, but have never mastered them, I also get creamed in them. Guess I need to just start practicing, as I know they have some immense potential.
I like my Golem as it is a great bot for taking down Rhino's, and that is why I keep it in my matches, as at that level Rhino's are inevitable to face. Keep the suggestions/comments/help coming!
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 21, 2016 1:15:31 GMT -5
I am definitely saving for slot 5, but I am soooooo tempted to get a Galahad, that is my dream bot, but it will be much easier saving for one of those than for the 5th slot AGAIN. galahad is great and all, but it won't be of any use to you till you reach high silver/low gold. Keep on grinding man, it's worth it!
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Post by petevb on Dec 21, 2016 13:11:43 GMT -5
I now have 2 gekkos, 3 magnums, a Taran, and a trident. I ...I like my Golem as it is a great bot for taking down Rhino's, and that is why I keep it in my matches, as at that level Rhino's are inevitable to face. The key is to minimize buying and upgrading weapons you're not going to use long term. You rarely if ever see Gekkos in Top tier; stop upgrading those asap. Similarly you need to decide what your range bot(s) will be long term. Top tier the order of preference is currently 1. Fury (Trident > Zeus > KwK / Trebs) then roughly equal 2nd RDB Griffin or Carnage (Zeus > Trident) with everything else behind. So the Trident options are very effective, but as you've found the effective packages are also hugely expensive to buy and upgrade so I'd stop buying them. The RDB Griffin is a great alternative- perhaps the best great bang for the buck in the game currently, and given that you're so thin on other WSP weapons I'd recommend you focus on that for your range. The RDB Griffin is also a relatively easy bot to learn the Griffin on and it's a hugely effective Rhino killer, much more so than you Golem. The Thunder Pinata Leo is not quite as good, but it's decent as well. If you get the Galahad before or after the 5th slot depends largely on if you've got the WSP to equip it properly. The main reason I went with before was because you have such a slow hanger- low level heavies move like molasses, so you're not going to effectively get five of them into a fight early enough anyway (unless you're losing). If you were my teammate I'd rather see you putting effective beacon pressure on than having another bot to drop at the end when everyone else is meching out. The Galahad will let you get there and mix it up to do that, and once you learn to play it well it will last a surprisingly long time (I'd start by dropping it last to power-run late game beacons). Given that you're getting pulled up into gold anyway you don't need to worry about the matchmaker penalty... That was my thinking behind my advice above anyway. Gold is about to get much harder to come by when you hit level 30, so you absolutely should think about hording it. If you do go for the slot first then focus on a Rhino for the power-runner slot in the 2nd evolution instead to get that mobility up.
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SwitcherLP
Destrier
Just a little bot trying to make it in a big bot's world...
Posts: 121
Karma: 80
Pilot name: Switcher Legendary Pilot
Platform: Android
Clan: [IRΩN] Formerly
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Storm Nemesis
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Post by SwitcherLP on Dec 21, 2016 22:12:31 GMT -5
I am definitely saving for slot 5, but I am soooooo tempted to get a Galahad, that is my dream bot, but it will be much easier saving for one of those than for the 5th slot AGAIN. galahad is great and all, but it won't be of any use to you till you reach high silver/low gold. Keep on grinding man, it's worth it! I am patient, it is just tempting to put the gold down on a cool bot, even if you can't equip it. The GREAT news is I just won a Lancelot, which of course is another slow bot!, so I will work in a Griffin in place of the Pinata Leo, and probably the second in place of the Golem so I have some speed. My goal is to have one of each of the Knight bots now, since I have the most expensive one, and the gold is not too hard to farm, especially with the acceleration of the Snowflakes. Man, I am so happy about how generous Pix is with these events! The game is also so much more fun as people are playing a ton right now.
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SwitcherLP
Destrier
Just a little bot trying to make it in a big bot's world...
Posts: 121
Karma: 80
Pilot name: Switcher Legendary Pilot
Platform: Android
Clan: [IRΩN] Formerly
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Storm Nemesis
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Post by SwitcherLP on Dec 21, 2016 22:16:15 GMT -5
I now have 2 gekkos, 3 magnums, a Taran, and a trident. I ...I like my Golem as it is a great bot for taking down Rhino's, and that is why I keep it in my matches, as at that level Rhino's are inevitable to face. The key is to minimize buying and upgrading weapons you're not going to use long term. You rarely if ever see Gekkos in Top tier; stop upgrading those asap. Similarly you need to decide what your range bot(s) will be long term. Top tier the order of preference is currently 1. Fury (Trident > Zeus > KwK / Trebs) then roughly equal 2nd Russian Death Button Griffin or Carnage (Zeus > Trident) with everything else behind. So the Trident options are very effective, but as you've found the effective packages are also hugely expensive to buy and upgrade so I'd stop buying them. The Russian Death Button Griffin is a great alternative- perhaps the best great bang for the buck in the game currently, and given that you're so thin on other WSP weapons I'd recommend you focus on that for your range. The Russian Death Button Griffin is also a relatively easy bot to learn the Griffin on and it's a hugely effective Rhino killer, much more so than you Golem. The Thunder Pinata Leo is not quite as good, but it's decent as well. If you get the Galahad before or after the 5th slot depends largely on if you've got the WSP to equip it properly. The main reason I went with before was because you have such a slow hanger- low level heavies move like molasses, so you're not going to effectively get five of them into a fight early enough anyway (unless you're losing). If you were my teammate I'd rather see you putting effective beacon pressure on than having another bot to drop at the end when everyone else is meching out. The Galahad will let you get there and mix it up to do that, and once you learn to play it well it will last a surprisingly long time (I'd start by dropping it last to power-run late game beacons). Given that you're getting pulled up into gold anyway you don't need to worry about the matchmaker penalty... That was my thinking behind my advice above anyway. Gold is about to get much harder to come by when you hit level 30, so you absolutely should think about hording it. If you do go for the slot first then focus on a Rhino for the power-runner slot in the 2nd evolution instead to get that mobility up. Thank you for the great advice, I will be buying another Taran for my Lancelot, and definitely putting together a couple DB Griffins for the speed until I get a Gareth and a Galahad. You guys have been great! If you have any more advice, definitely let me know. I hope this is helping others out, also.
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Post by moody on Dec 21, 2016 22:23:30 GMT -5
The key is to minimize buying and upgrading weapons you're not going to use long term. You rarely if ever see Gekkos in Top tier; stop upgrading those asap. Similarly you need to decide what your range bot(s) will be long term. Top tier the order of preference is currently 1. Fury (Trident > Zeus > KwK / Trebs) then roughly equal 2nd Russian Death Button Griffin or Carnage (Zeus > Trident) with everything else behind. So the Trident options are very effective, but as you've found the effective packages are also hugely expensive to buy and upgrade so I'd stop buying them. The Russian Death Button Griffin is a great alternative- perhaps the best great bang for the buck in the game currently, and given that you're so thin on other WSP weapons I'd recommend you focus on that for your range. The Russian Death Button Griffin is also a relatively easy bot to learn the Griffin on and it's a hugely effective Rhino killer, much more so than you Golem. The Thunder Pinata Leo is not quite as good, but it's decent as well. If you get the Galahad before or after the 5th slot depends largely on if you've got the WSP to equip it properly. The main reason I went with before was because you have such a slow hanger- low level heavies move like molasses, so you're not going to effectively get five of them into a fight early enough anyway (unless you're losing). If you were my teammate I'd rather see you putting effective beacon pressure on than having another bot to drop at the end when everyone else is meching out. The Galahad will let you get there and mix it up to do that, and once you learn to play it well it will last a surprisingly long time (I'd start by dropping it last to power-run late game beacons). Given that you're getting pulled up into gold anyway you don't need to worry about the matchmaker penalty... That was my thinking behind my advice above anyway. Gold is about to get much harder to come by when you hit level 30, so you absolutely should think about hording it. If you do go for the slot first then focus on a Rhino for the power-runner slot in the 2nd evolution instead to get that mobility up. Thank you for the great advice, I will be buying another Taran for my Lancelot, and definitely putting together a couple Death Button Griffins for the speed until I get a Gareth and a Galahad. You guys have been great! If you have any more advice, definitely let me know. I hope this is helping others out, also. Most people will suggest Orkans for the Lancelot. But the Tarens won't go to waste if you are planning to get the other two brit bots anyway.
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SwitcherLP
Destrier
Just a little bot trying to make it in a big bot's world...
Posts: 121
Karma: 80
Pilot name: Switcher Legendary Pilot
Platform: Android
Clan: [IRΩN] Formerly
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Storm Nemesis
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Post by SwitcherLP on Dec 21, 2016 22:33:40 GMT -5
Thank you for the great advice, I will be buying another Taran for my Lancelot, and definitely putting together a couple Death Button Griffins for the speed until I get a Gareth and a Galahad. You guys have been great! If you have any more advice, definitely let me know. I hope this is helping others out, also. Most people will suggest Orkans for the Lancelot. But the Tarens won't go to waste if you are planning to get the other two brit bots anyway. Thanks man. I definitely want at least 4 Orkans, but I am in the camp that they are not necesary, I will be able to equip from WSP weapons until I have my Hangar finished, then go for the Orkans. Do high level silver missile weapons do well in the Gold tier?
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Post by moody on Dec 21, 2016 22:52:24 GMT -5
Most people will suggest Orkans for the Lancelot. But the Tarens won't go to waste if you are planning to get the other two brit bots anyway. Thanks man. I definitely want at least 4 Orkans, but I am in the camp that they are not necesary, I will be able to equip from WSP weapons until I have my Hangar finished, then go for the Orkans. Do high level silver missile weapons do well in the Gold tier? I'm not really properly in Gold tier. My heavy hanger borders on Trash Gold. But from what I hear most silver missile weapons work in Gold. The exception being Spirals.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 21, 2016 22:56:36 GMT -5
Thanks man. I definitely want at least 4 Orkans, but I am in the camp that they are not necesary, I will be able to equip from WSP weapons until I have my Hangar finished, then go for the Orkans. Do high level silver missile weapons do well in the Gold tier? I'm not really properly in Gold tier. My heavy hanger borders on Trash Gold. But from what I hear most silver missile weapons work in Gold. The exception being Spirals. spirals work just as well as hydras, the thing is that if you're going to run a dedicated homing bot, people tend to lean towards the fujin, as hydras can curve a bit more, and the fujin is pretty much invincible to other homing missile bots
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SwitcherLP
Destrier
Just a little bot trying to make it in a big bot's world...
Posts: 121
Karma: 80
Pilot name: Switcher Legendary Pilot
Platform: Android
Clan: [IRΩN] Formerly
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Storm Nemesis
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Post by SwitcherLP on Dec 24, 2016 18:59:04 GMT -5
I'm not really properly in Gold tier. My heavy hanger borders on Trash Gold. But from what I hear most silver missile weapons work in Gold. The exception being Spirals. spirals work just as well as hydras, the thing is that if you're going to run a dedicated homing bot, people tend to lean towards the fujin, as hydras can curve a bit more, and the fujin is pretty much invincible to other homing missile bots That is good advice, and that is exactly why I have felt that the Fujin would be a better bot then Raijin.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 24, 2016 19:01:09 GMT -5
spirals work just as well as hydras, the thing is that if you're going to run a dedicated homing bot, people tend to lean towards the fujin, as hydras can curve a bit more, and the fujin is pretty much invincible to other homing missile bots That is good advice, and that is exactly why I have felt that the Fujin would be a better bot then Raijin. use raijin exclusively for climbing . A good sniper finds cover in an ideal sniper position, so the physical shield is irrelevant.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Dec 24, 2016 19:01:51 GMT -5
spirals work just as well as hydras, the thing is that if you're going to run a dedicated homing bot, people tend to lean towards the fujin, as hydras can curve a bit more, and the fujin is pretty much invincible to other homing missile bots That is good advice, and that is exactly why I have felt that the Fujin would be a better bot then Raijin. Agree. Hydra Fujins are much more versatile than raijins in general. To be honest, only Trident and Treb Raijins work, and those only on one-directional maps like Yamantau.
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