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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 7, 2017 3:29:48 GMT -5
Instead of simply ditching games, some people use ineffective bots/loadouts that aren't appropriate for a particular league (fading)--REDs naturally make quick work of them.
I played a game this morning before work.
Yamantao. It's close. If I could somehow take back center beacon we might have a chance to win this. I walk up the ramp in my DB. I look over my shoulder: There's a BLUE Rhino hot on my heels. A RED's coming up the other sideâa Leo.
I smile. The lunch box has landed.
Regrettably, there's too much smoke, and I fire, err ... prematurely. Half of my rockets hit the top of the ramp, but the rest connect. Not enough to kill him though.
I jump back giving the rhino--now frenetically charging up behind me--a clear shot. I cheer him on (but feel a tinge of guilt for calling them obsolete in one post). He gets to the top, drops his shield, and unleashes his HYDRAS.
「whiskey tango foxtrot」?! What were you thinking, you cretin?
Long story short, he dies, I die, we lose. His hangar's pretty dodgy--close to maxed bots with low-damage builds.
I'm not sure which is more demoralizing: A 'ditch' registers quickly; a 'fade' tends to catch you unawares. Still pretty amusing though.
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Post by Tatamat on Jun 7, 2017 3:45:31 GMT -5
I'd like to know the thoughts of the Rhino pilot...it must be terribly annoying for him as well to be there for the whole game only to serve as a meat for reds.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jun 7, 2017 3:55:26 GMT -5
Instead of simply ditching games, some people use ineffective bots/loadouts that aren't appropriate for a particular league (fading)--REDs naturally make quick work of them. I played a game this morning before work. Yamantao. It's close. If I could somehow take back center beacon we might have a chance to win this. I walk up the ramp in my DB. I look over my shoulder: There's a BLUE Rhino hot on my heels. A RED's coming up the other sideâa Leo. I smile. The lunch box has landed. Regrettably, there's too much smoke, and I fire, err ... prematurely. Half of my rockets hit the top of the ramp, but the rest connect. Not enough to kill him though. I jump back giving the rhino--now frenetically charging up behind me--a clear shot. I cheer him on (but feel a tinge of guilt for calling them obsolete in one post). He gets to the top, drops his shield, and unleashes his HYDRAS. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」?! What were you thinking, you cretin? Long story short, he dies, I die, we lose. His hangar's pretty dodgy--close to maxed bots with low-damage builds. I'm not sure which is more demoralizing: A 'ditch' registers quickly; a 'fade' tends to catch you unawares. Still pretty amusing though. Great story. I gotta say, I'm also guilty of this, but to a lesser extent since I don't run hydras. On iOS there is MASSIVE void once you reach a rating of 3200 and have a decent win percentage. It means you get put in matches with Master and Champion League players, often 2000 or more rating points above you. So what do people do? They tank back to Diamond or Gold League because they get absolutely smashed in Expert. Since I don't make a habit of tanking per se and I don't like the idea of seal clubbing, I use these trying periods to try out some long distance setups that I would normally avoid (because they don't have enough damage output to really challenge the opposition). However, I will sometimes end up doing more damage in these than i would with my knife fighters, simply because my hangar is so grossly mismatched. It also saves me a lot of frustration with the injustice of it all. So in short, I am probably one of these players with ineffective loadouts that you speak of. But when players get mismatched to the point that our contribution is trivial, people start playing solely for fun instead of for the win. It's been my longstanding criticism of the current MM. But hey, on a positive note, at least your guy actually tried to flick the beacon despite his loadout. More often than not you will see them behind that structure, looking through the territory meter with that thousand-yard stare... |
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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 7, 2017 4:03:42 GMT -5
I'd like to know the thoughts of the Rhino pilot...it must be terribly annoying for him as well to be there for the whole game only to serve as a meat for reds. Lol. I think that was the idea. |
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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 7, 2017 4:05:07 GMT -5
Instead of simply ditching games, some people use ineffective bots/loadouts that aren't appropriate for a particular league (fading)--REDs naturally make quick work of them. I played a game this morning before work. Yamantao. It's close. If I could somehow take back center beacon we might have a chance to win this. I walk up the ramp in my DB. I look over my shoulder: There's a BLUE Rhino hot on my heels. A RED's coming up the other sideâa Leo. I smile. The lunch box has landed. Regrettably, there's too much smoke, and I fire, err ... prematurely. Half of my rockets hit the top of the ramp, but the rest connect. Not enough to kill him though. I jump back giving the rhino--now frenetically charging up behind me--a clear shot. I cheer him on (but feel a tinge of guilt for calling them obsolete in one post). He gets to the top, drops his shield, and unleashes his HYDRAS. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」?! What were you thinking, you cretin? Long story short, he dies, I die, we lose. His hangar's pretty dodgy--close to maxed bots with low-damage builds. I'm not sure which is more demoralizing: A 'ditch' registers quickly; a 'fade' tends to catch you unawares. Still pretty amusing though. Great story. I gotta say, I'm also guilty of this, but to a lesser extent since I don't run hydras. On iOS there is MASSIVE void once you reach a rating of 3200 and have a decent win percentage. It means you get put in matches with Master and Champion League players, often 2000 or more rating points above you. So what do people do? They tank back to Diamond or Gold League because they get absolutely smashed in Expert. Since I don't make a habit of tanking per se and I don't like the idea of seal clubbing, I use these trying periods to try out some long distance setups that I would normally avoid (because they don't have enough damage output to really challenge the opposition). However, I will sometimes end up doing more damage in these than i would with my knife fighters, simply because my hangar is so grossly mismatched. It also saves me a lot of frustration with the injustice of it all. So in short, I am probably one of these players with ineffective loadouts that you speak of. But when players get mismatched to the point that our contribution is trivial, people start playing solely for fun instead of for the win. It's been my longstanding criticism of the current MM. But hey, on a positive note, at least your guy actually tried to flick the beacon despite his loadout. More often than not you will see them behind that structure, looking through the territory meter with that thousand-yard stare... I know what you mean. I get up to 72% win rate then it's a free fall down one league. I can't seem to stay in Masters--I don't think it's possible without joining a clan--so I don't take it too seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 4:07:27 GMT -5
I am as "stand on a soapbox" as u can get against tanking, fading, quitting, or impeding....
But sucking? Or playing off beat weapons? I don't fault dudes for that.
The first time I saw an ancile on the thunder slot of a Lance I laughed. I don't laugh anymore.
So if "hydra assault rhino" is a thing, more power to him.
Randoms, God bless em. Cheers mate.
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Post by hyderier on Jun 7, 2017 4:32:55 GMT -5
It's only tanking, if the Rhino pilot had better weapons, and was purposefully using bad ones to tank. And it's not fading at least, but opposite of fading, entering the front line to fight for victory.
If that was his normal Rhino build, then that's just fine, normal playing. Charging up behind you with that build was appropriate too at that stage of the battle. If the Leo had had less HP left, you might have won because of his charge even if he did minimal damage.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jun 7, 2017 6:39:45 GMT -5
It's only tanking, if the Rhino pilot had better weapons, and was purposefully using bad ones to tank. And it's not fading at least, but opposite of fading, entering the front line to fight for victory. If that was his normal Rhino build, then that's just fine, normal playing. Charging up behind you with that build was appropriate too at that stage of the battle. If the Leo had had less HP left, you might have won because of his charge even if he did minimal damage. So by your definition then it WAS tanking. Because otherwise we would have to assume the unlikely possibility that he had no other medium weapons in his inventory than HYDRAS  On a serious note though, that double hydra/spiral setup is seriously annoying when they are high level, especially in the hands of a skilled pilot. |
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Post by shakingrabbit on Jun 7, 2017 7:00:28 GMT -5
What if he was experimenting with Hydras? Standing way off shooting his Hydras when he sees an opening to capture a beacon and gain position to pressure the reds closer to spawn. He puts up his shield runs towards the beacon half expecting his teammate with rockets to finish off the red defending the beacon and instead his teammate dumps them into the ground and jumps back leaving his poor Rhino, who he was experimenting with as a mid-ranger, completely exposed. He dies, his teammate dies, they lose. He thinks his teammate is a fader and purposely did that to lose the match.
If je was truly underpowered and underskilled for the match then blame the MM. People want to experiment and play with different load outs, keeps ot fun and interesting. If the MM could adjust accordingly then we would not have this issue. Since it can't and it puts their team at a disadvantage but no worries, it'll only occur half of the time.
Seriously, I can run a Lvl 3 hangar with off the shelf weapons and maintain a 50% win rate in Silver1. Not my fault I'm still in the same league, playing with/against bots much higher level than me. Why can't I experiment? Why can't I play old bots that I miss playing but which are ineffective at a particular league?
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jun 7, 2017 7:33:16 GMT -5
Ummm... Sounds like a midranger ran onto the beacon late battle behind a knifefighter to make sure it got flipped. But his team mate blew his shot and then bailed out!
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 7, 2017 11:03:28 GMT -5
Sorry my post got eaten bye my iPad. Effe Apple. I hate iOS. I was just trying to edit it.
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 7, 2017 11:11:40 GMT -5
 2v2 everyone else faded or was a sniper  Whole enemy team just faded |
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Post by bugdoc on Jun 7, 2017 11:25:56 GMT -5
After the last update I've been experimenting with a lot of alternate mid-to-long range builds. I've often had three rangers and only two knifers in my hanger. As others have pointed out, it's quite possible the Rhino pilot was just experimenting with alternate builds. It's also possible the OP is correct. Hard to tell sometimes. I had a game recently that went horribly wrong. I turned the wrong way twice, walked into a crossfire both times, and died in a hail of rocket fire. The game was a mercifully quick one, but to most outside observers my measly 17k in damage points with a 9/9 hanger would be an obvious sign of a tanker, when in fact I was simply a moron.  |
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Post by amoebastudios on Jun 7, 2017 13:25:27 GMT -5
Sounds like he was trying, not tanking. He could've just sat back and do nothing, but he actually tried to take a beacon thinking that the red was close to dying.
Tanking isn't any more effective when you take more damage.
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Post by noobcake on Jun 7, 2017 13:51:50 GMT -5
Instead of simply ditching games, some people use ineffective bots/loadouts that aren't appropriate for a particular league (fading)--REDs naturally make quick work of them. I played a game this morning before work. Yamantao. It's close. If I could somehow take back center beacon we might have a chance to win this. I walk up the ramp in my DB. I look over my shoulder: There's a BLUE Rhino hot on my heels. A RED's coming up the other sideâa Leo. I smile. The lunch box has landed. Regrettably, there's too much smoke, and I fire, err ... prematurely. Half of my rockets hit the top of the ramp, but the rest connect. Not enough to kill him though. I jump back giving the rhino--now frenetically charging up behind me--a clear shot. I cheer him on (but feel a tinge of guilt for calling them obsolete in one post). He gets to the top, drops his shield, and unleashes his HYDRAS. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」?! What were you thinking, you cretin? Long story short, he dies, I die, we lose. His hangar's pretty dodgy--close to maxed bots with low-damage builds. I'm not sure which is more demoralizing: A 'ditch' registers quickly; a 'fade' tends to catch you unawares. Still pretty amusing though. Great story. I gotta say, I'm also guilty of this, but to a lesser extent since I don't run hydras. On iOS there is MASSIVE void once you reach a rating of 3200 and have a decent win percentage. It means you get put in matches with Master and Champion League players, often 2000 or more rating points above you. So what do people do? They tank back to Diamond or Gold League because they get absolutely smashed in Expert. Since I don't make a habit of tanking per se and I don't like the idea of seal clubbing, I use these trying periods to try out some long distance setups that I would normally avoid (because they don't have enough damage output to really challenge the opposition). However, I will sometimes end up doing more damage in these than i would with my knife fighters, simply because my hangar is so grossly mismatched. It also saves me a lot of frustration with the injustice of it all. So in short, I am probably one of these players with ineffective loadouts that you speak of. But when players get mismatched to the point that our contribution is trivial, people start playing solely for fun instead of for the win. It's been my longstanding criticism of the current MM. But hey, on a positive note, at least your guy actually tried to flick the beacon despite his loadout. More often than not you will see them behind that structure, looking through the territory meter with that thousand-yard stare... Recently, I am probably one of those guys too. It isn't that I am trying to drop leagues or seek easier competition--I'm just sick of using the same heavy bots game after game. | Old Hangar | New Hangar | 10/11 Orkan Rog
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| | 10/10.5 DB Griffin | 6/10.5 Plasma Stalker | | 10/10.5 Plasmahad | 10/10.5 Plasma Gareth | | 10/10 Zeus Carnage | 10/11 Thunder Carnage |
I put 100% into each game and cap beacons, harass the enemy, and I am, strangely, still in the same league. My win % dropped but my damage isn't the lowest most of the time. For what it is worth, maybe that Rhino pilot was also sick of the meta and wanted to try something different--even if it isn't very good. |
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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 7, 2017 20:57:31 GMT -5
Sure, it's possible the guy wasn't fading. It's just that you don't see much experimentation in higher leagues where everything's optimized to give you the best chance to win--and yes, it can get dull sometimes.
But really I don't take these things too seriously.
I am but momentarily annoyed (mildly nauseous?) though when matches are close and the unexpected happens--teammate stepping out from cover of CB to take on 3 incoming reds instead of waiting and picking them off with their DB one at a time; teammate failing to notice he didn't completely turn a beacon and walking away; teammate jumping forward offensively in a griff with one shot left on his tarans; last standing teammate engages RED when all he had to do to win was stay alive; and yes, teammate dumping his load too soon and blowing what would've been an easy kill. I know because I've been guilty of this at one time or another.
By the way, jumping backward from CB (Yama) and landing back on the ramp is a good way to get out of people's way and have a chance to reload weapons--it's better than backing into people or blocking their line of fire.
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Post by Poopface on Jun 8, 2017 11:00:15 GMT -5
It doesn't head off a loss, but I've taken to pushing AFKers into combat to use as a mech-shield. If nothing else, it incurs a bit of a repair cost for them.
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Post by blackhawk2002 on Jun 10, 2017 10:53:04 GMT -5
TBH if the player had been fading they most likely wouldn't have been charging along behind you in an effort to help take that CB. What was going thru their head atm is difficult to say though. I think it would have been better to launch those missiles off the ramp in support then shield up and keep going. But that's just me. And not knowing their bots health also makes it hard to be judgemental, maybe they were just making the best of a bad situation.
Again, fading indicates an effort to throw a match which seemed in direct opposition to their effort being made to actually win.
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Post by inspirace on Jun 10, 2017 11:21:14 GMT -5
it might be that he was playing with weapon layout and went to a battle without realizing he changed it to hydras  . if he knew, why did he even bother to climb up the ramp? he might be like "holy crab, what th..." finding it out at the last moment  . I more than once tried to get closer (<300m) with a griff and unleash my ... tulu and pins jumping into an enemy (who would have a thunder) ... |
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Post by blackhawk2002 on Jun 10, 2017 11:44:14 GMT -5
it might be that he was playing with weapon layout and went to a battle without realizing he changed it to hydras . if he knew, why did he even bother to climb up the ramp? he might be like "holy crab, what th..." finding it out at the last moment . I more than once tried to get closer (<300m) with a griff and unleash my ... tulu and pins jumping into an enemy (who would have a thunder) ... I think everyone has had one of those "Oh sh@#" moments at some point or another. Mine was when in a match where I had gotten down to my last bot only to drop in and realize I hadn't reequiped weapons after messing around with different setup. Talk about looking before one leaps. ? |
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. if he knew, why did he even bother to climb up the ramp? he might be like "holy crab, what th..." finding it out at the last moment 
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