Anyone else judge people who run 5 of the same bot?

@ Ecu Cossack deals exactly 0 damage, therefore if you're trying to drop -19-22 every game you lose, sure, go for it.

@ lance, my mistake.

@ Treb/Gekko Nat:
Treb: 1 second unload, 3 second reload, 20 second charge time, does 577 damage on reload fire at max level.

Gekko: 6 second unload, 11 second full reload= Extra exposure, less burst damage

@ Carnage: 66kmph for AT MOST 1/3rd of the time its deployed

@ Galahad: 50kmph when shield down, 199k shield health, still more mobile than all of it's "free" counterparts, and the shield has more HP than a max boa.

Holiday events were almost explicitly for paying players. The super chest was super rigged, and drop rates for anything under the 1k special chest were abysmal.

Anniversary event was the only solid one, however, the only chest with a positive return value was the 1k Au chest, which, by normal means, is about a week and a half of grinding. Unless one got lucky on a spin, their Au was better spent on what they actually wanted or saved.

Anniversary was the only one I bothered with the bloodbaths to take advantage of.
2 doc(use both)
Orkan(use)
4 Aphids(shelved)
Stalker(shelved)
Rog (shelved)
2 gekkos(shelved)
Gareth(shelved)

All that did was shoot my 6/6 hangar up to where the average player is 9/9-10/10. Where silver 1/gold 3 is now 8/8-10/10, where do you think all of the new or bad players with these kinds of items are?
Where do you think the 5/5 hangars end up in their first week?
Where do you think the 5/5-7/7 hangars are?

All in the same place. All they did by giving fresh players free stuff is make it harder for the ones thereafter. If pix wanted diverse hangars, there would be less focus on new bots and weapons and more on what we already have. No telling what they'll be working on after the dash bots.
The game is still wildly unbalanced in favor of those ten bots, with about half of them useless until they hit max speed at the very least.

Are you one of those people that I have to go and specifically double check every piece of every bit of everything I say or refer to before replying to? If I have to start taking cliffs notes and making PowerPoints/Excel sheets I'm done with this forum.

Natasha pins/tridents: 100M differential

Treb's/gekkos: different reloads (different mechanics completely at that)

Zeus/Gekkos: different ranges

Anything else: free Ag on sight.

Galahad is 50, Doc is 51

Carnage doing what it wants is an overstatement, as it NEEDS to use the rush as an ambush for purely offensive maneuvers, as plasma DBs can melt it if it's not in the 100M kill zone of the thunders while engaging. For this, the ability is limited to a role at each engagement range, while the Griffin's ability can be used in more ways than simply moving quickly, while carrying greater firepower. Carnage can only manipulate it's horizontal firing position with it's ability, while Griffin's jump is omnidirectional.

On events: free pins, Tulus, pinatas, Ag mediums, and miniscule amounts of ag/Au for anyone not shelling out some cash/playing longer than a full shift of work's time a day, for the holiday events.
Yes, free Ag equal to less than premium would have earned for those same battles, as reparations for the garbage sportsmanship caused baddies that were salty on how the MM works.
For the majority of people, the holiday events were jokes, the only complaint I had was about the rigged super chest for them. But, how I feel about them still doesn't change that the majority of people speaking about it thought it was trash. I was more upset with all of the 12/12 hangars that I kept running into at silver leagues back then than having to fight them for "free" garbage that barely made up for the repair costs of getting wiped without breaking 200k because lower leagues had 10/10+ people guaranteeing their ten gold and five -insert event currency name here-. For everyone that won something decent, and did something decent with it, there are hundreds to thousands people that play like garbage with those same items, and a hundred fold compared to that, which only got a bunch of Ag items that they would have otherwise gotten, or were better off just getting it's weight in Ag.
Free poop is still poop.

Dredd's experiences on android (where I am) prove that,from/on a gameplay perspective, we're speaking different languages altogether.

Russel

I couldn't care less about the event prizes. It was what it was and I'm happy I got what I got for the event I did play.
The event currency combined with the matchmaker made lower leagues unplayable for Android. When I started the account that I use now there was literally a 10/10+ person in every other match, starting in recruit until they stopped giving negative points for losses there. If not for the point distribution before the current (old) one we have now, the anniversary event would have been garbage too.

Go watch stewpendous', now apparently canceled, starting over series on YouTube. He saw a Treb Raijin before he got his second Shutze. Since they implemented the changes to the scoring system, newbies are getting pushed into silver 3, and baddies are trickling down worse than the occasional clubber clan.

Hello Tatamat old buddy. I am still sad you left Nitro Squad, but hope you are happy where you are.

We tend to view bots with the perspective of our current situation. Back then I felt Leos were an excellent choice for a new, active, non-pay player. Costing silver only, which I had in comparative abundance, while I saved up gold for slots, and wsp for weapons and bots. I still feel that way.

For the low leagues, Leos have a ton of hp, the speed difference between them and the lighter bots is not all that pronounced and they pack quite a respectable punch. That combination allowed me to cap AND hold a lot of beacons, speeding my gold collection. I had them loaded out for a variety of different roles, though at the time, I was partial to Frankenstein loadouts.

Still, I think a short-range Leo with pinatas and thunder, a couple (the second once a 4th slot is purchased) of mid-range types substituting pins and punishers, and a long range Leo with molots and a Nashorn/Kang Dae is a great way to move up through the low leagues "on a budget", while you are gradually replacing weapons,and later, bots.

Yeah, NS was a good start being in a clan. I'll remember it. However, what happened, happened, and the journey goes on and brings new adventures. Hope one day NS joins the Alliance.
I'm content here, Aurora is full of opportunities and events, however I'm heavily restricted by the amount of time I want to devote to gaming so I only cut a sliver from the cake.

Funny that the same insight you have on Leo, I had on Griffin. Here, the motto was not "ton of hp and respectable punch" but "decent firepower with decent mobility".
I've used ThuPinata Leo for a while, but it seemed to me harder and harder to cross the distance for an effective Thunder salvo. And after I've bought Gareth and learnt that I can defeat brawler Leo 1-on-1, I phased it out. Only recently I've used Leo as a midranger instead of Natasha and the larger health pool is quite comfortable, one doesn't have to care about Trebs and Gekkos so much.

BTW, as a Leo enthusiast with 5th slot already bought, do you have a plan to test an Ancile Leo? Seems that both Magnum both Aphids make is quite decent beast and Ancile comes in handy anyway. 

Well Tatamat, the Leos I do have are midrangers. Thunpun and trident-pin. That mound of hit points doesn't stand up long at close range in the higher leagues. I have considered the Ancileo, but I don't know that the remaining light hardpoints give it enough firepower. Since I recently bought a Gary to replace my Stalker, I won't have enough gold to require a decision on that for a while!

I would think it would get boring and also be inflexible. The exception is when a bot can do well in very different configurations. DB, PDB, and RDB Griff make perfect sense to run together. It's a flexible bot with a handy special ability and it has three very different roles here. I guess you could even throw Molot and Hydra/Aphid in there too. Hey maybe it's not so crazy after all. I guess I'm just thinking of like all Ancilots or all Aphid Stalkers or or all Plasmahads or whatever. I think that limits your flexibility to adapt optimally to different maps and different scenarios in live play. I have run three Griffins before but I think I would not want five, even if they all had different roles.

Carnage squad...
Zeus, trident, trebuchet, and 2 thunders for close combat. That would be the perfect team for many scenarios. And once the new heavy weapons come out you could replace 1 thunder.

I will run this someday! It just takes time.

Uhnonimis,
the firepower of Ancileo and Ancilot is roughly equal:

2x Taran (lvl 6): app. 80k damage in 10 s and then 5 s reload
3x Magnum: app. 63k damage in 10 s + 32k damage in 5 s = 95k damage in  15 s

So, after 10 s it's in the favour of Tarans, after full cycle Magnums are actually better.
The weakness of Ancileo compared to Ancilot will be in HP - Leo falls short in case at least one Lancelot's shield is taken into account.

Gary is a good choice for beacon capper, though needs more caution after rockets update. Enjoy!

Somebody beat you to it.

And he was GOOD, I tell you. So good that I actually looked up him after battle (he was red), and was impressed with hangar.

Sorry, I wasn't making myself clear. When I say enough firepower, I mean enough to stand out in the open and slug it out with other bots. The difference, as you correctly pointed out, are the physical shields of the Ancilot. While the Ancilot's physical shields are soaking up damage after its Ancile is depleted, the Ancileo is losing hit points and, likely, weapons, which would have a big impact on your damage calculus.

Believe me, if anyone wants to give the Leo the benefit of the doubt it would be me, but the Leo is not the equal of the Lancelot, nor should anyone expect it to be, given the disparity in price.

you win, you are the champion.

I did build one of this for my test server hanger, much fun.