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Post by tenayshuzd on Jun 6, 2017 8:26:27 GMT -5
Looking for garage advice as suffering a bit under new league point reward system.
Currently have in garage:
RDB Griffin
Galahad x 2 Pinatas and Orkan
Plasma (Tarans) Griffin
Rocket Gareth (Pinata and Orkan)
Pinata Stalker
In locker I've got Thunder Carny, Leo, Raijin, Rhino, various weps like Aphids and Tridents available.
(No Ancile, Lancelot, Fury options)
Rhino seems to take a pummelling in any config, must be the way I'm playing it.
Actually coping fairly well using Brit shield bots even after nerf/buff update.
Suffering a slow inexorable slide down Diamond II with the new point system, can place in top 3 but often on losing side at the moment.
Win rate down to 48% at 2730 points at the moment... hard goin'.
Thinkin' I need to purchase 2 x Zeus for Carnage or an Ancile for poor man's Ancilot?
(Got about 3500k Gold saved up)
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 6, 2017 9:01:47 GMT -5
Its not the way you are playing it, rhinos are far too soft in the current meta. They have been since before, Griffin always wore the same loadout better but with the rocket buff, there's just no appeal to it.
I'd run the carnage thunder instead. Take down enemy anciles and kill everything in sight ambush style.
Then I'd ditch the stalker for a Griffin of some stripe or flavor, db preferably. Prolly means you need 2 orkans, but they are so strong now it's a great investment. And The db Griffin is a beast.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 10:11:24 GMT -5
Your hangar is a bit too fragile with the buff to the Russian Griffin. I would put the Plasma on the Galahad and Orkan + Pinatas on the Griffin. I'd also put Plasma on the Gareth and make that and the Stalker interchangeable. For your last slot, you should use either the Thunder Carnage or the Plasma Rhino and save your gold for a Lancelot.
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Post by tenayshuzd on Jun 6, 2017 11:28:28 GMT -5
Its not the way you are playing it, rhinos are far too soft in the current meta. They have been since before, Griffin always wore the same loadout better but with the rocket buff, there's just no appeal to it. I'd run the carnage thunder instead. Take down enemy anciles and kill everything in sight ambush style. Then I'd ditch the stalker for a Griffin of some stripe or flavor, db preferably. Prolly means you need 2 orkans, but they are so strong now it's a great investment. And The db Griffin is a beast. True, DB Griffin is a beast, plenty of them about too. Stalker is in the 5th slot, keep swapping stuff round so will go for an extra Griff. |
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Post by tenayshuzd on Jun 6, 2017 11:36:24 GMT -5
Your hangar is a bit too fragile with the buff to the Russian Griffin. I would put the Plasma on the Galahad and Orkan + Pinatas on the Griffin. I'd also put Plasma on the Gareth and make that and the Stalker interchangeable. For your last slot, you should use either the Thunder Carnage or the Plasma Rhino and save your gold for a Lancelot. I'll try that Plasma Rocket swap from the Plasmahad to the Griffin, definitely worth a go. Like I said a moment ago to Thunderkiss, Stalker/Rhino is in the 5th slot, can't seem to settle on a choice. Been noticing a few battles that are going to the wire at the end of the clock (good match making) where the opposing wins due to someone nipping round with a stalker and mopping up all the beacons. The same tactic hasn't worked for me yet, Stalker still mainly runs as interference only. Thunder Carnage has served me well, will put him back in. Does seem to be a proliferation on Thunder Zeus 2X about, especially on more open environments, have to use cover a lot. |
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Post by noobcake on Jun 6, 2017 11:48:42 GMT -5
Your hangar is very playable but, as others have mentioned, it is pretty fragile to mid-range rockets. The Stalker is definitely the weakest link. On paper, the Zeus Carnage or the DB Griffin are both excellent replacement choices. I would lean towards the Zeus Carnage since it is your only counter when your opponents all decide to hop into an RDB Griffin. The only problem is that it is still bugged and the buy in cost is pretty steep. Best of luck!
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jun 6, 2017 12:33:47 GMT -5
I would agree with above statements as well.
*Rhino - took mine to L9, still could not use as effectively as Griffin, pulled it out if hangar and now gather dust. With rocket buff even less effective.
Take Orkans & Pinatas, make a db Griffin.
Plasma on the Galahad
Thunders for the Carnage
Leo, you could run Trident / Pins possible
That would give you:
- db Griffin
- rdb Griffin
- Thunder Carnage
- Tri/Pin Leo
- Stalker / Gareth
You did not mention levels on anything, assume they are similiar.
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Post by tenayshuzd on Jun 7, 2017 4:50:05 GMT -5
I would agree with above statements as well. *Rhino - took mine to L9, still could not use as effectively as Griffin, pulled it out if hangar and now gather dust. With rocket buff even less effective. Take Orkans & Pinatas, make a db Griffin. Plasma on the Galahad Thunders for the Carnage Leo, you could run Trident / Pins possible That would give you: - db Griffin - rdb Griffin - Thunder Carnage - Tri/Pin Leo - Stalker / Gareth You did not mention levels on anything, assume they are similiar.  Sorry, didn't mention levels. Have to admit, been punching well above my weight so perhaps no great surprise to have slid down the league a bit. So with the swapped rocket/plasma load outs I've got more success in last few battles. May well give the Tri/Pin Leo a go, definitely worth an experimentation. |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jun 7, 2017 6:48:38 GMT -5
Definitely keep experimenting! It adds variety ajd keeps you thinking about new tactics running a different set up.
I would swap Leo for Gary first and see how you like it. As you move up the bots are generally heavier and slower. If you get to an area 1st then are quickly destroyed doesnt help to much in the long run.
* Also, when corner shooting, step back a few steps from the corner. A tactic used with rockets is to shoot at the wall near the corner & let splash damage take over. If you back away from the corner you can reduce the indirect splash damage, while still behind the corner.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jun 7, 2017 8:10:13 GMT -5
I agree with noobcake about having a longer range option. If you play it right, you will stay alive longer regardless of what level your opponents are. It can also outrange those pesky RDB griffins which are so common at the moment.
Zeus Carnage is a good choice, but since you already have Tridents, try the trident Carnage out if you can't keep your Thunder carnage alive. If your Tridents are low level, you could put them on a Natasha with pin to boost the damage a bit. Be aware though that obviously you won't have Ancile protection though so I trust you'll weigh up what's best for your playing style.
Best of luck with it
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Post by DRTYDAV on Jun 7, 2017 8:53:31 GMT -5
Personal opinion, don't worry about the league you are in, only focus on where you want to be. Save your gold either for a Lancelot, Fury, or for the next event. Level up the weapons you want in your final Hangar.
I made the mistake of leveling up a lot of bots and weapons that I now do not use, and when a bot upgrade costs 30+ million Ag (silver) and you have 4 weapons at 10-20 million Ag the hundreds of millions you spent upgrading just to be good at the lower levels makes you sick.
I suggest the RDB Griffin, Plasma Griffin, PDB Galahad, Thunder Carny, and Trident/CRV Pin Leo with your current options. All of these bots either employ weapons that will be useful later, or the entire setup itself will be useful.
Don't get discouraged, and remember the league you are in really doesn't matter, your skill does. Knowing when to cap a beacon, how to defend a beacon, which beacon to head for after you re-spawn, how to function as a good team mate in squad, sight lines, travel paths, target selection, when to fight or run, when to jump, when to rush, all of these matter so much more than league status or stats. On average, Diamond is full of 10/10 - 12/12 bots and Expert and diamond are virtually the same, only a skill difference.
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Post by rags on Jun 7, 2017 13:13:53 GMT -5
Personal opinion, don't worry about the league you are in, only focus on where you want to be. Save your gold either for a Lancelot, Fury, or for the next event. Level up the weapons you want in your final Hangar. I made the mistake of leveling up a lot of bots and weapons that I now do not use, and when a bot upgrade costs 30+ million Ag (silver) and you have 4 weapons at 10-20 million Ag the hundreds of millions you spent upgrading just to be good at the lower levels makes you sick. I suggest the RDB Griffin, Plasma Griffin, PDB Galahad, Thunder Carny, and Trident/CRV Pin Leo with your current options. All of these bots either employ weapons that will be useful later, or the entire setup itself will be useful. Don't get discouraged, and remember the league you are in really doesn't matter, your skill does. Knowing when to cap a beacon, how to defend a beacon, which beacon to head for after you re-spawn, how to function as a good team mate in squad, sight lines, travel paths, target selection, when to fight or run, when to jump, when to rush, all of these matter so much more than league status or stats. On average, Diamond is full of 10/10 - 12/12 bots and Expert and diamond are virtually the same, only a skill difference. Disagree. There is a huge difference. Diamond usually caps at level 9-10, Rarely see hangars heavier than that and if you do, they're terrible pilots. Going into Expert is a huge jump as almost everyone's hangar is close to maxed and filled with higher quality bots. you will also be regularly matched up against Masters and Champion league pilots. |
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Post by Dejnov on Jun 7, 2017 14:58:08 GMT -5
Sorry, didn't mention levels. Have to admit, been punching well above my weight so perhaps no great surprise to have slid down the league a bit. So with the swapped rocket/plasma load outs I've got more success in last few battles. May well give the Tri/Pin Leo a go, definitely worth an experimentation.
I like this hangar much better than your original hangar. It's got a mix of speed damage and range. It's decent. I would suggest to switch the galahad back to all plasma. I know you're brit-bots seem multi-function right now (with both splash and plasma on them), but there are situations where all plasma is more important. All plasma allows you to drop Griffins/Rogs and Carnages easier than you would with the Galahad right now. It also helps against Stalkers and Docs too. Right now there's a lot of splash and brit-bots are being used less, that may change when people start fielding strong counters to MRS bots (Zeus Carnages for example). The plasma galahad is built to take on these counters. Also, a taran/magnum load-out does more dpm than a taran/piñata bot (as long as you steer clear of shield bots).
Remember: You should never lead with the same bot on every map and you can switch a bot/counter as needed.
Dejnov.
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Post by snk on Jun 7, 2017 21:08:14 GMT -5
I probably will run,
RDB Griffin
DB Griffin
Thunder Carnage
Plasmahad (use this when there are many red Ancilelot or not many RDB or Trident)
Gareth or Stalker (your preference)
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Post by tenayshuzd on Jun 8, 2017 8:29:54 GMT -5
Sorry, didn't mention levels. Have to admit, been punching well above my weight so perhaps no great surprise to have slid down the league a bit. So with the swapped rocket/plasma load outs I've got more success in last few battles. May well give the Tri/Pin Leo a go, definitely worth an experimentation.
I like this hangar much better than your original hangar. It's got a mix of speed damage and range. It's decent. I would suggest to switch the galahad back to all plasma. I know you're brit-bots seem multi-function right now (with both splash and plasma on them), but there are situations where all plasma is more important. All plasma allows you to drop Griffins/Rogs and Carnages easier than you would with the Galahad right now. It also helps against Stalkers and Docs too. Right now there's a lot of splash and brit-bots are being used less, that may change when people start fielding strong counters to MRS bots (Zeus Carnages for example). The plasma galahad is built to take on these counters. Also, a taran/magnum load-out does more dpm than a taran/piñata bot (as long as you steer clear of shield bots).
Remember: You should never lead with the same bot on every map and you can switch a bot/counter as needed.
Dejnov.
Interesting advice about the choice of bot lead out, hadn't considered that before, will try that. |
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Post by tenayshuzd on Jun 8, 2017 8:34:14 GMT -5
I agree with noobcake about having a longer range option. If you play it right, you will stay alive longer regardless of what level your opponents are. It can also outrange those pesky RDB griffins which are so common at the moment. Zeus Carnage is a good choice, but since you already have Tridents, try the trident Carnage out if you can't keep your Thunder carnage alive. If your Tridents are low level, you could put them on a Natasha with pin to boost the damage a bit. Be aware though that obviously you won't have Ancile protection though so I trust you'll weigh up what's best for your playing style. Best of luck with it Yes, my tridents are low level, around 5, so I would haveto put them on a Natasha (unfortunately would need to level it up, it's a 6) Ancile was the last reward I was aiming for on the Birthday tasks, ran out of time and my thumbs were getting worn away. I have a friend who plays with Zeus Carnage, swears by it. Came up against 3x of them in a battle on Canyon recently, pretty annoying but effective. |
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Post by tenayshuzd on Jun 8, 2017 8:36:14 GMT -5
Personal opinion, don't worry about the league you are in, only focus on where you want to be. Save your gold either for a Lancelot, Fury, or for the next event. Level up the weapons you want in your final Hangar. I made the mistake of leveling up a lot of bots and weapons that I now do not use, and when a bot upgrade costs 30+ million Ag (silver) and you have 4 weapons at 10-20 million Ag the hundreds of millions you spent upgrading just to be good at the lower levels makes you sick. I suggest the RDB Griffin, Plasma Griffin, PDB Galahad, Thunder Carny, and Trident/CRV Pin Leo with your current options. All of these bots either employ weapons that will be useful later, or the entire setup itself will be useful. Don't get discouraged, and remember the league you are in really doesn't matter, your skill does. Knowing when to cap a beacon, how to defend a beacon, which beacon to head for after you re-spawn, how to function as a good team mate in squad, sight lines, travel paths, target selection, when to fight or run, when to jump, when to rush, all of these matter so much more than league status or stats. On average, Diamond is full of 10/10 - 12/12 bots and Expert and diamond are virtually the same, only a skill difference. Disagree. There is a huge difference. Diamond usually caps at level 9-10, Rarely see hangars heavier than that and if you do, they're terrible pilots. Going into Expert is a huge jump as almost everyone's hangar is close to maxed and filled with higher quality bots. you will also be regularly matched up against Masters and Champion league pilots. |
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Post by smanker on Jun 8, 2017 12:06:54 GMT -5
Ditch Stalker, purchase Rog
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