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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 13:51:06 GMT -5
Under the new scoring system, I think it's going to be very difficult to get to the next league. Let's say I'm on the winning team 6 times and the losing team twice. I finish 4th in damage in all 8 battles. I just gained 2 points total in a possible 80 minutes of play. If I score the most damage in one win, get 3rd in another win, but then follow it up with two 4th place losses, I'm now -1 point in those four battles. I know I'm leaving out the bonus points for beacons, but it still seems that I'm going to be stuck in my current league under this system. In reality, I have played 14 battles today. I am -3 on the day.
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Post by robomanalpha on Jun 1, 2017 14:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by CrownBlack on Jun 1, 2017 14:01:46 GMT -5
When I first read this my initial thought was just win baby, however it occurred to me: 1)even when you win and you aren't in the top 3 spots or so you don't get any points at all 2)only way to get points if you lose is to be the top 2
so yes I could see someone just breaking even FOREVER! and never moving to another league.
so you must win, cap beacons and do the most damage almost every game or else you are in Pix purgatory.
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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 14:05:42 GMT -5
When I first read this my initial thought was just win baby, however it occurred to me: 1)even when you win and you aren't in the top 3 spots or so you don't get any points at all 2)only way to get points if you lose is to be the top 2 so yes I could see someone just breaking even FOREVER! and never moving to another league. so you must win, cap beacons and do the most damage almost every game or else you are in Pix purgatory. Exactly. Edit: I removed my previous comment.
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Post by splitsticks on Jun 1, 2017 14:13:23 GMT -5
When I first read this my initial thought was just win baby, however it occurred to me: 1)even when you win and you aren't in the top 3 spots or so you don't get any points at all 2)only way to get points if you lose is to be the top 2 so yes I could see someone just breaking even FOREVER! and never moving to another league. so you must win, cap beacons and do the most damage almost every game or else you are in Pix purgatory. Exactly. Edit: I removed my previous comment. Although playing honestly and losing because of tankers isn't nearly as frustrating as before. I'm thankful for that.
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Post by The VVatcher on Jun 1, 2017 14:17:42 GMT -5
Whoops so much for doing something about people stagnating in the league their in.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Jun 1, 2017 14:22:32 GMT -5
Well..Once you get to Diamond you might as well be in the Champ League cause the top 4 leagues are really one league. Better yet, it's just a pretty badge at that point.
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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 14:31:20 GMT -5
Well..Once you get to Diamond you might as well be in the Champ League cause the top 4 leagues are really one league. Better yet, it's just a pretty badge at that point. Very true. I face people from Diamond, Expert, Master, and Champion every battle anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter too much. But it is easily fixed by Pix. Just award more points for the winners.
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Post by zer00eyz on Jun 1, 2017 14:35:39 GMT -5
Under the new scoring system, I think it's going to be very difficult to get to the next league. Let's say I'm on the winning team 6 times and the losing team twice. I finish 4th in damage in all 8 battles. I just gained 2 points total in a possible 80 minutes of play. If I score the most damage in one win, get 3rd in another win, but then follow it up with two 4th place losses, I'm now -1 point in those four battles. I know I'm leaving out the bonus points for beacons, but it still seems that I'm going to be stuck in my current league under this system. In reality, I have played 14 battles today. I am -3 on the day. So your saying that if your under performing, that your league score will stay stable with a high win rate? Wow the math checks out. Sorry for the condescending start, I wanted to get your attention. Your looking at YOUR score and YOUR performance, and though you should take that into consideration you need to think about it in the context of the system as a whole. In the previous version it would be completely possible for you to be league score stable with a 40% win rate. This was achievable by getting the TOP SPOT win or loss in every game. Players who fell into this pattern were reaping rewards (silver and gold) as well as blocking other players from advancing. Now lets look at what happens to these players in the new system: over 8 games they start to advance, and after 20 or so they have probably pulled away from you in league score. Their upward motion is creating room for you to slip into those top spots. Because it is harder to find perfect balance in the new system, it becomes easier to move up and down in the league system over a number of games because you are effectively unblocked. If your placing 4th, and loosing due to outside factors (tankers, bad teammates) your punishment is smaller in the new system vs the old, and you can adjust your play when you have a missing man to shoot for those higher spots.
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Post by greyhawk on Jun 1, 2017 14:43:52 GMT -5
It is exactly the opposite, if you are constantly one of the best of your looser team and often in top 3 or top beacon in your winner one you deserve to move up and you will do it (as often happen to many of my accounts) ! In the previous system you will be stuck ! If you remain stable with this new sys only means that you are exactly in the place where you deserve to be!
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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 16:27:40 GMT -5
Under the new scoring system, I think it's going to be very difficult to get to the next league. Let's say I'm on the winning team 6 times and the losing team twice. I finish 4th in damage in all 8 battles. I just gained 2 points total in a possible 80 minutes of play. If I score the most damage in one win, get 3rd in another win, but then follow it up with two 4th place losses, I'm now -1 point in those four battles. I know I'm leaving out the bonus points for beacons, but it still seems that I'm going to be stuck in my current league under this system. In reality, I have played 14 battles today. I am -3 on the day. So your saying that if your under performing, that your league score will stay stable with a high win rate? Wow the math checks out. Sorry for the condescending start, I wanted to get your attention. Your looking at YOUR score and YOUR performance, and though you should take that into consideration you need to think about it in the context of the system as a whole. In the previous version it would be completely possible for you to be league score stable with a 40% win rate. This was achievable by getting the TOP SPOT win or loss in every game. Players who fell into this pattern were reaping rewards (silver and gold) as well as blocking other players from advancing. Now lets look at what happens to these players in the new system: over 8 games they start to advance, and after 20 or so they have probably pulled away from you in league score. Their upward motion is creating room for you to slip into those top spots. Because it is harder to find perfect balance in the new system, it becomes easier to move up and down in the league system over a number of games because you are effectively unblocked. If your placing 4th, and loosing due to outside factors (tankers, bad teammates) your punishment is smaller in the new system vs the old, and you can adjust your play when you have a missing man to shoot for those higher spots. Thanks for the reply. A few things from my perspective.... I'm not going to be the top scorer in every battle, win or lose. I am the top scorer from time to time. That might be considered underperforming, but when I play a support role to help my team win, I don't usually finish top 2 in damage. I do win about 64% of my matches that way, but it never fails that after a few wins, my team will face a group of maxed hangars which results in a loss. I'm fine with that but under this system, I feel like I'm being punished for playing a support role, as are others who play this way. I guess I will have to adjust my style to the new system and strictly play for damage if I want to keep advancing leagues. The previous system didn't award points to the top spots on the losing team, but I do get what you're saying. If you're a player who focuses on damage, you will move up and make room for other players to fill your shoes, giving you a chance to move up. I think the new system also makes it easy to drop leagues without having to go to the leavers queue, but I don't want to encourage that so I'm not going to discuss it here. Lol. Thanks again for the fresh perspective!
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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 16:33:57 GMT -5
It is exactly the opposite, if you are constantly one of the best of your looser team and often in top 3 or top beacon in your winner one you deserve to move up and you will do it (as often happen to many of my accounts) ! In the previous system you will be stuck ! If you remain stable with this new sys only means that you are exactly in the place where you deserve to be! Reminds me of Bill Parcells' famous quote: "You are what your record says you are." I hear what you're saying though and it makes sense. Thanks for the reply.
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Post by greyhawk on Jun 1, 2017 16:41:40 GMT -5
It is exactly the opposite, if you are constantly one of the best of your looser team and often in top 3 or top beacon in your winner one you deserve to move up and you will do it (as often happen to many of my accounts) ! In the previous system you will be stuck ! If you remain stable with this new sys only means that you are exactly in the place where you deserve to be! Reminds me of Bill Parcells' famous quote: "You are what your record says you are." I hear what you're saying though and it makes sense. Thanks for the reply. NP man ! Anytime
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Post by moody on Jun 1, 2017 16:44:12 GMT -5
Under the new scoring system, I think it's going to be very difficult to get to the next league. Let's say I'm on the winning team 6 times and the losing team twice. I finish 4th in damage in all 8 battles. I just gained 2 points total in a possible 80 minutes of play. If I score the most damage in one win, get 3rd in another win, but then follow it up with two 4th place losses, I'm now -1 point in those four battles. I know I'm leaving out the bonus points for beacons, but it still seems that I'm going to be stuck in my current league under this system. In reality, I have played 14 battles today. I am -3 on the day. In my mind that means you are placed in your correct league. In the old system up until two days ago I was relatively stable + or - 100 points at the dividing line between gold I and diamond III. I wasn't moving up or down - which means the system was working!! Once we all play enough games in the current system we will also stabilise +/- however many points. Not moving up in leagues is not an issue - everyone will find their own place. Not everybody can be above average. (A politician years ago in Australia promised that everybody would have above average incomes).
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Jun 1, 2017 16:59:25 GMT -5
If your? avg win and loss result in 0 net gain/loss of league points you're likely in the correct League band.
The points redistribution is important for ensuring those that need to rocket up can do so. I've had many match losses (as a maxed Champion League player) that the other blues were mixes of Master down to Silver players. When I out beacon and outscore the blue team by 3-500k the MM shouldn't be moving me down (by loss of league points) to face "weaker" opponents. Issues outside of my control (e.g. 5v6, teammates who can't compete in the match) couldn't be addressed in the old points distribution.
Guys who should have still been moving up the League ladder were getting stuck due to influences outside of their control. Their in match performance should have moved them up, and now they will.
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Post by hi5 on Jun 1, 2017 17:02:03 GMT -5
So your saying that if your under performing, that your league score will stay stable with a high win rate? Wow the math checks out. Sorry for the condescending start, I wanted to get your attention. Your looking at YOUR score and YOUR performance, and though you should take that into consideration you need to think about it in the context of the system as a whole. In the previous version it would be completely possible for you to be league score stable with a 40% win rate. This was achievable by getting the TOP SPOT win or loss in every game. Players who fell into this pattern were reaping rewards (silver and gold) as well as blocking other players from advancing. Now lets look at what happens to these players in the new system: over 8 games they start to advance, and after 20 or so they have probably pulled away from you in league score. Their upward motion is creating room for you to slip into those top spots. Because it is harder to find perfect balance in the new system, it becomes easier to move up and down in the league system over a number of games because you are effectively unblocked. If your placing 4th, and loosing due to outside factors (tankers, bad teammates) your punishment is smaller in the new system vs the old, and you can adjust your play when you have a missing man to shoot for those higher spots. Thanks for the reply. A few things from my perspective.... I'm not going to be the top scorer in every battle, win or lose. I am the top scorer from time to time. That might be considered underperforming, but when I play a support role to help my team win, I don't usually finish top 2 in damage. I do win about 64% of my matches that way, but it never fails that after a few wins, my team will face a group of maxed hangars which results in a loss. I'm fine with that but under this system, I feel like I'm being punished for playing a support role, as are others who play this way. I guess I will have to adjust my style to the new system and strictly play for damage if I want to keep advancing leagues. The previous system didn't award points to the top spots on the losing team, but I do get what you're saying. If you're a player who focuses on damage, you will move up and make room for other players to fill your shoes, giving you a chance to move up. I think the new system also makes it easy to drop leagues without having to go to the leavers queue, but I don't want to encourage that so I'm not going to discuss it here. Lol. Thanks again for the fresh perspective! I feel you here. I too focus on winning and am almost alway above 55%. This meant as long as I consistently win more than I lose I keep progressing, except it has gotten me to a league where everyone (a few exceptions here and there) has much better gear (iOS E3 and I run 8/9 weap/bots). It's fine because I believe this makes me better and I am forced to learn new strategies. This new scoring system may alter my path, because if I regularly take the bottom spots win or lose it's a recipe to drop down. Until my gear and damage output matches others I play against, then I'll rise based on gear levels not how much I can win. This was the complaint when leagues first opened and it distributed points for high damage even in a loss. Players stopped trying to win (no one even cared about bacon) and focused on damage output. Maybe this new point system will straddle the line because of points for bacon and sort people better. Maybe not. Best you can do is try to enjoy the ride! Every time you play you get a little better - win or lose.
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Post by sharpmango on Jun 1, 2017 17:05:37 GMT -5
Under the new scoring system, I think it's going to be very difficult to get to the next league. Let's say I'm on the winning team 6 times and the losing team twice. I finish 4th in damage in all 8 battles. I just gained 2 points total in a possible 80 minutes of play. If I score the most damage in one win, get 3rd in another win, but then follow it up with two 4th place losses, I'm now -1 point in those four battles. I know I'm leaving out the bonus points for beacons, but it still seems that I'm going to be stuck in my current league under this system. In reality, I have played 14 battles today. I am -3 on the day. I used to want to get into the next league. Now I see just more pain =D. Enjoy the league you're in. It literally just gets harder and harder. Not only are the bots better, but the pilots are much better. Enjoy the game. And yes, if you're stuck, that means you're in the right league. Don't worry, you'll move up when you're too good for the league you're in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 18:39:40 GMT -5
It is exactly the opposite, if you are constantly one of the best of your looser team and often in top 3 or top beacon in your winner one you deserve to move up and you will do it (as often happen to many of my accounts) ! In the previous system you will be stuck ! If you remain stable with this new sys only means that you are exactly in the place where you deserve to be!
Stuck in this stupid box again. My main account is having a much easier time moving up, but I had to become almost a pure beacon capper when stuck in the lower tiers since my teammates didn't know what beacons were. New system is better if you can get top damage and a lot of beacons. Even if you lose and you have a teammate or 2 who don't do anything, then you can at least not be penalized for their poor performance. That was really the problem with the old system, having a couple deadweights on your team that don't get any damage or beacons, but you could get the most damage and beacons on your team to no avail. Now those freeloaders will drop down to where they belong too, which is the most confusing thing about it before.
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Post by vin5240 on Jun 1, 2017 19:20:59 GMT -5
Under the new scoring system, I think it's going to be very difficult to get to the next league. Let's say I'm on the winning team 6 times and the losing team twice. I finish 4th in damage in all 8 battles. I just gained 2 points total in a possible 80 minutes of play. If I score the most damage in one win, get 3rd in another win, but then follow it up with two 4th place losses, I'm now -1 point in those four battles. I know I'm leaving out the bonus points for beacons, but it still seems that I'm going to be stuck in my current league under this system. In reality, I have played 14 battles today. I am -3 on the day. Leagues should reflex player's hangar level/skill. If you are placing in 4th or 3rd a lot then that's the appropriate league you should be in. If you are always top 2 then you are a bit too skilled for the league and need to move up. If you can't move up yet, just keep playing and wait until your hangar is good enough to go up. If the system was for all players to be able to move up to the next league then even a bronze league player can become a champion league player, but then do you really want a bronze player to fight a maxed out 12/12 player which is basically a system that promotes seal clubbing. Normal League would basically turn into Tanker League where you are fighting opponents with many different hangar levels. Pixonics made leagues so players can be matched with similar opponents and once you become better than these opponents, you will naturally move up just playing normally. I actually prefer the old mm where matches are based off of hangars rather than league position. If you have 4-5 lvl.9 bots with lvl.9 weapons, you would do well in high gold/ low diamond and with a 10/10 hangar, then you would be good for all diamond tiers. Expert, Master, and Champion I see no difference and I've squadded in all of these tiers and it's all 11/11 or 12/12 bots. Just give it some time to upgrade your hangar, enjoy playing the game, and soon you will move up and enjoy the league bonus Cheers!!!
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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 19:27:10 GMT -5
Under the new scoring system, I think it's going to be very difficult to get to the next league. Let's say I'm on the winning team 6 times and the losing team twice. I finish 4th in damage in all 8 battles. I just gained 2 points total in a possible 80 minutes of play. If I score the most damage in one win, get 3rd in another win, but then follow it up with two 4th place losses, I'm now -1 point in those four battles. I know I'm leaving out the bonus points for beacons, but it still seems that I'm going to be stuck in my current league under this system. In reality, I have played 14 battles today. I am -3 on the day. I used to want to get into the next league. Now I see just more pain =D. Enjoy the league you're in. It literally just gets harder and harder. Not only are the bots better, but the pilots are much better. Enjoy the game. And yes, if you're stuck, that means you're in the right league. Don't worry, you'll move up when you're too good for the league you're in. I'm perfectly happy with Diamond 1/Expert 3. I hold my own and then some. I rarely mech out, and I always total respectable damage for my team. I win a lot but I'm breaking even because of the new distribution of points. When you play a support role, you don't score as much damage as the lead guys. But I have listened to everyone and will adapt my game to the new reality. Damage is king, and that's my focus moving forward. Conceivably, I can never win and still advance through the leagues, which I think is strange, but it is what it is. I'm good with it now.
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Post by vin5240 on Jun 1, 2017 19:27:40 GMT -5
If your? avg win and loss result in 0 net gain/loss of league points you're likely in the correct League band. The points redistribution is important for ensuring those that need to rocket up can do so. I've had many match losses (as a maxed Champion League player) that the other blues were mixes of Master down to Silver players. When I out beacon and outscore the blue team by 3-500k the MM shouldn't be moving me down (by loss of league points) to face "weaker" opponents. Issues outside of my control (e.g. 5v6, teammates who can't compete in the match) couldn't be addressed in the old points distribution. Guys who should have still been moving up the League ladder were getting stuck due to influences outside of their control. Their in match performance should have moved them up, and now they will. I think this will also provide an incentive to support the losing team rather than tanking the battle. My main reason for tanking was because my team was under performing and I literally recorded a video of a blue just walking past a red beacon and in the same game I was fighting a lancelot from the front which gives my teammate the perfect chance to attack from behind (guy was a thunder/pinata leo and about 80m away from me) and the guy just turns and goes for some stalker...I said 「fluffernutter」 this and left lol. With this update, I haven't left a single game thus far because even if I lose, I win.
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Post by vin5240 on Jun 1, 2017 19:29:49 GMT -5
I used to want to get into the next league. Now I see just more pain =D. Enjoy the league you're in. It literally just gets harder and harder. Not only are the bots better, but the pilots are much better. Enjoy the game. And yes, if you're stuck, that means you're in the right league. Don't worry, you'll move up when you're too good for the league you're in. I'm perfectly happy with Diamond 1/Expert 3. I hold my own and then some. I rarely mech out, and I always total respectable damage for my team. I win a lot but I'm breaking even because of the new distribution of points. When you play a support role, you don't score as much damage as the lead guys. But I have listened to everyone and will adapt my game to the new reality. Damage is king, and that's my focus moving forward. Conceivably, I can never win and still advance through the leagues, which I think is strange, but it is what it is. I'm good with it now. I feel you man. I used start off with gareth every game and capture beacons, but now I go full damage first and let my team get the beacons and towards the end I will use the gareth to capture beacons because I've been noticing that a lot of players hold out and use ancilots as their last bot so I can out run them.
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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 19:34:54 GMT -5
I'm perfectly happy with Diamond 1/Expert 3. I hold my own and then some. I rarely mech out, and I always total respectable damage for my team. I win a lot but I'm breaking even because of the new distribution of points. When you play a support role, you don't score as much damage as the lead guys. But I have listened to everyone and will adapt my game to the new reality. Damage is king, and that's my focus moving forward. Conceivably, I can never win and still advance through the leagues, which I think is strange, but it is what it is. I'm good with it now. I feel you man. I used start off with gareth every game and capture beacons, but now I go full damage first and let my team get the beacons and towards the end I will use the gareth to capture beacons because I've been noticing that a lot of players hold out and use ancilots as their last bot so I can out run them. Yep, I was doing the same, but now I will go with an Orkan Rog as my end of battle bot so that I can do more damage on the way to a beacon. It's just a change of style. I have had plenty of those over the last 9 months playing!
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Post by 88generalblue on Jun 1, 2017 20:06:12 GMT -5
recently i was squadding with a clan mate in champions league, and i'm in gold 1/ diamond 3. you'd think there would be a huge difference, but after a few matches, i found myself holding my own very well, even sometimes doing better than others who were in expert, masters and champions leagues. since then, i started thinking these leagues are just meaningless crap, the only difference being you'll get a lot more gold at the start of each season for being higher up, but its not easy, same thing for somebody who wants to move down a league cuz they realize they are getting their butts kicked. i know the guy above me said this already, but just upgrade your hangar, enjoy playing the game, and soon you will move up and enjoy the league bonus Cheers!
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Post by Insane Demon on Jun 1, 2017 20:24:45 GMT -5
This can't be repeated enough... upgrade your hangar if you want to advance. Last week, I could barely stay at the bottom of Silver II... and this week I'm at the bottom of Silver I. The only thing I've done was upgrade my bots to level 7 and a few more weapons to level 7. I also play a little better because my annoying girlfriend dumped me.
Also, getting a few points even if I lose is also keeping me in Silver I. I love the new system. It encourages me to be more aggressive and do as much damage as possible with each bot.
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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 20:59:00 GMT -5
This can't be repeated enough... upgrade your hangar if you want to advance. Last week, I could barely stay at the bottom of Silver II... and this week I'm at the bottom of Silver I. The only thing I've done was upgrade my bots to level 7 and a few more weapons to level 7. I also play a little better because my annoying girlfriend dumped me. Also, getting a few points even if I lose is also keeping me in Silver I. I love the new system. It encourages me to be more aggressive and do as much damage as possible with each bot. Sorry about your gf, but it sounds like it's for the best. I have a level 10 hangar with some level 11 and 12 stuff, but again, I'm fine with staying in Diamond 1/Expert 3. Cheers!
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Post by Insane Demon on Jun 1, 2017 21:00:29 GMT -5
This can't be repeated enough... upgrade your hangar if you want to advance. Last week, I could barely stay at the bottom of Silver II... and this week I'm at the bottom of Silver I. The only thing I've done was upgrade my bots to level 7 and a few more weapons to level 7. I also play a little better because my annoying girlfriend dumped me. Also, getting a few points even if I lose is also keeping me in Silver I. I love the new system. It encourages me to be more aggressive and do as much damage as possible with each bot. Sorry about your gf, but it sounds like it's for the best. I have a level 10 hangar with some level 11 and 12 stuff, but again, I'm fine with staying in Diamond 1/Expert 3. Cheers! Then what is the 「fluffernutter」ing point of this thread?
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Post by mightyfacundo on Jun 1, 2017 21:18:55 GMT -5
If you read through it, you'll see that I came to terms with the new system.
Lots of anger on these boards. Good luck everyone! I will go back to lurking.
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