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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:39:06 GMT -5
I'm not very good at this. It all seems a bit confusing sometimes. I'm trying to keep a balanced hanger while plotting out a transition path to the next tier. Something that would limit being crushed too hard by the setups at the top of the tier. I think I'm on the cusp of high bronze and low silver. I'm just about finished evening out my Aphids at 9. I have a plasma 1/5 Galahad in the wings. I'm saving Au and WSP for another Galahad and a Carnage. Once I have those I was thinking I'd keep the Aphid Gep and one of my Boas to go with the new three bots. Based on my current hanger does this seem like a viable path, or is there something else I should be considering?  |
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Post by Dredd77 on Dec 14, 2016 19:59:30 GMT -5
I'll be watching. I swear, despite all the info out there, still isn't a definitive "source of truth" on tiering I've seen. The numbers 4/6 and the like come up a lot, but it often goes unmentioned about "penalties" for some bots and weps.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 14, 2016 20:47:48 GMT -5
I'm not very good at this. It all seems a bit confusing sometimes. I'm trying to keep a balanced hanger while plotting out a transition path to the next tier. Something that would limit being crushed too hard by the setups at the top of the tier. I think I'm on the cusp of high bronze and low silver. I'm just about finished evening out my Aphids at 9. I have a plasma 1/5 Galahad in the wings. I'm saving Au and WSP for another Galahad and a Carnage. Once I have those I was thinking I'd keep the Aphid Gep and one of my Boas to go with the new three bots. Based on my current hanger does this seem like a viable path, or is there something else I should be considering? Hi dasveen. Certain weapons and robots will not be viable in other (higher) tiers--that's unavoidable. Also outside of gold tier, WSP bots will kick you up tier wise. So, basically you'll wind up with: 1. Galahad (plasma) 2. Gepard (aphids) 3. Galahad (plasma) 4. Boa (thunder) 5. Carnage (thunder) If I were you, don't be in a hurry to get into Gold tier since only your Galahads and Carnage will eventually be viable there. The rest aren't. I think you should stay where you are and save gold and silver which you will need to upgrade your bots and weapons. General rule is to keep your bots relatively on the same level (except WSPs) and your weapons about 2 lvls higher than your bots. Could someone put up a link to Strayed's "buying guide"? I keep forgetting where it is. Sorry! |
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Post by blognio on Dec 14, 2016 21:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 21:31:32 GMT -5
I'm not in a hurry to get to gold. When I was looking at the bots I was looking them, because they are mediums. I thought they'd throw me somewhere into silver, because I expected a 20% bump being Brit/WSP bots.
This just goes to show how wildly inaccurate that chart is that shows all the level/weapon scores. According to it my mediums score at 370 and my lights score at 385. That means a 1/5 Brit/WSP medium should score a 444, which wouldn't be gold.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 14, 2016 22:00:47 GMT -5
Yes, in theory the Brit bots should throw you in silver and this is the general consensus here--I'll use the term loosely as MM is wonky and will depend if you're clanning, playing solo, have a low/high win rates, etc.
If you start using Galahads and Carnages now you'll find they'll need to get leveled up to be useful. Carnage for example doesn't shine till it's leveled up to 7/8 with 10 thunders which would manifestly send you to gold tier.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Dec 15, 2016 0:18:44 GMT -5
I transitioned into high silver with weps at level 7. I started running it with heavys at lvl 6 & Galahad. I left all my med bots at level 4, to create a 2nd tier for me to play. I think you could do the same.
If you are really wanting to save for purchases I would leave everything alone until you have finished your intial purchases.
With Level 9 weps, I think you will move up a tier (from current MM system) if you upgrade the geps. Your Boas I think you can finish leveling Weps to 6.
Strategic planning most try to implement.
* what bots / weps do you want to run in your gold tier - then purchase accordingly
* purchase the weps before bots
* level weps before bots
* normal upgrading has weps 2 levels above bots.
I run a Galahad & Carnage with my heavys & they are lvl 7 with heavys at lvl 6. I am leveling weps up to 9, then back to my bots to 7/8.
* In reference to the bots - Carnage is VERY squishy at low levels - even at level 7, you put yourself in bad position - you will be done quickly. Right now it is effective as an AMBUSH knifer only. I use Thunders & it will destroy most any bot if positioned strategically! And is extremely FUN when done right!
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Post by Kid Nikon on Dec 15, 2016 0:23:38 GMT -5
I run a similar load out to you. The Boa is quite good at 4/6 "high bronze". You will notice the speed boost going from level 1 to 4. After you reach that point you will want to level them to 4/9 "silver tier", still quite good. you might also consider a Lancelot for your top hanger as it makes use of the Thunder too.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 15, 2016 1:34:32 GMT -5
I'll be watching. I swear, despite all the info out there, still isn't a definitive "source of truth" on tiering I've seen. The numbers 4/6 and the like come up a lot, but it often goes unmentioned about "penalties" for some bots and weps. matchmaking penalty (+20% of your highest bots hangar score [for bot scoring see @tinthefiend's matchmaking thread]) applies to WSP bots and Gareth, Galahad and Lancelot (the Brit bots), Gepard, Rogatka, Fury and all the silver cost bots do not have a MM penalty. The matchmaking penalty applies to your glhighest rated bot in your hangar. For example, if you equip a 1/1 Gareth in your hangar with the conventional 4/9 light or 4/6 medium bots, you will be bumped into low silver, as the matchmaking system will penalise your highest rated bot (4/6 medium) to be the equivalent of a 4/9 medium, which is the level cap for low silver. Does this answer your question? |
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Post by Gdu4ever on Dec 15, 2016 5:03:01 GMT -5
Not sure if I'm in your "next tier". I'm running 5 heavy bots, with 6/8 average bot/weapon Lv.
I'm only playing random battles with roughly 60% win rate. The 5 bots are:
DB Rhino
PDB Griffin
RDB Griffin
Molot Griffin
Triden/CRV Pin Leo
More than generally advised mid-range setups, but I never hesitate to charge forward and cap beacons with anyone one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 16:31:20 GMT -5
I'll be watching. I swear, despite all the info out there, still isn't a definitive "source of truth" on tiering I've seen. The numbers 4/6 and the like come up a lot, but it often goes unmentioned about "penalties" for some bots and weps. matchmaking penalty (+20% of your highest bots hangar score [for bot scoring see @tinthefiend 's matchmaking thread]) applies to WSP bots and Gareth, Galahad and Lancelot (the Brit bots), Gepard, Rogatka, Fury and all the silver cost bots do not have a MM penalty. The matchmaking penalty applies to your glhighest rated bot in your hangar. For example, if you equip a 1/1 Gareth in your hangar with the conventional 4/9 light or 4/6 medium bots, you will be bumped into low silver, as the matchmaking system will penalise your highest rated bot (4/6 medium) to be the equivalent of a 4/9 medium, which is the level cap for low silver. Does this answer your question? That helps. I thought the 20% penalty was applied to the Brit/WSP bots itself, rather than the highest in the hanger. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 16:34:12 GMT -5
Not sure if I'm in your "next tier". I'm running 5 heavy bots, with 6/8 average bot/weapon Lv. I'm only playing random battles with roughly 60% win rate. The 5 bots are: Death Button Rhino Plasma Death Button Griffin Russian Death Button Griffin Molot Griffin Triden/CRV Pin Leo More than generally advised mid-range setups, but I never hesitate to charge forward and cap beacons with anyone one of them. I know what a DB and PDB builds are, but is a RDB build? Tridents and Tulumbas? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 16:37:17 GMT -5
I run a similar load out to you. The Boa is quite good at 4/6 "high bronze". You will notice the speed boost going from level 1 to 4. After you reach that point you will want to level them to 4/9 "silver tier", still quite good. you might also consider a Lancelot for your top hanger as it makes use of the Thunder too. What about replacing one of the Geps with a Gareth for beacon running through silver? |
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Post by Kid Nikon on Dec 16, 2016 17:11:56 GMT -5
I run a similar load out to you. The Boa is quite good at 4/6 "high bronze". You will notice the speed boost going from level 1 to 4. After you reach that point you will want to level them to 4/9 "silver tier", still quite good. you might also consider a Lancelot for your top hanger as it makes use of the Thunder too. What about replacing one of the Geps with a Gareth for beacon running through silver? Could be a viable option, I understand a Gareth changes the matchmaking. I don't have one but I like the weapon mix. The important thing is to plan the bots you intend to run in your top tier hanger and make sure the weapons you are making the effort to level have a place in that line up. My lineup only runs two Boa despite the fact that is my favorite bot because I don't want to spend silver leveling more than the two Thunders I need for my next lineup. If I were running your lineup I might try to transition to a Galahad(plasma) Gepard (aphids) Carnage (thunders) Griffin(db) and your Boa. I'd look to replace the Boa with a Lancelot when you can afford it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 18:38:13 GMT -5
What about replacing one of the Geps with a Gareth for beacon running through silver? Could be a viable option, I understand a Gareth changes the matchmaking. I don't have one but I like the weapon mix. The important thing is to plan the bots you intend to run in your top tier hanger and make sure the weapons you are making the effort to level have a place in that line up. My lineup only runs two Boa despite the fact that is my favorite bot because I don't want to spend silver leveling more than the two Thunders I need for my next lineup. If I were running your lineup I might try to transition to a Galahad(plasma) Gepard (aphids) Carnage (thunders) Griffin(Death Button) and your Boa. I'd look to replace the Boa with a Lancelot when you can afford it. I picked up the Carnage, so now I have that and a Galahad in the wings. I can level those up in the background. Based upon your previous comments the Boas are going to get bumped after I finish their weapons off at 6, or 7. I'll give a Lancelot some thought, but that seems like a more radical jump than I'll be able to handle. I was contemplating Galahad x2, Carnage x1, Gareth x1, and Gep x1 for a mid/high silver hanger. My weapons, aside from on the Gep, are all plasma, pin, and thunder combos. Those should transfer to gold if I decide to leave silver. |
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