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Post by elttaes on Dec 11, 2016 13:54:59 GMT -5
Hello all,
I'll be moving to high bronze soon, and I'm looking for advice on medium load outs. So far I've got a Boa and a Golem, each with a Thunder. I have 1 Taran, 1 Orkan, 1 Tulumbas, and 2 Piñatas. They're level 3 bots and level 6 weapons. I also have plenty of kwks, but I assume they are pretty useless.
I'm leaning toward Thunder Taran on the Boa and Thunder Orkan Piñata on the Golem. Does that seem like a good plan?
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Dec 11, 2016 15:16:48 GMT -5
Ahem, Orkan, but no 4th slot? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
I field a thunder taran boa, too. It's a good setup.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 11, 2016 22:25:50 GMT -5
Well, I'm not an expert. But here's my $0.03 (inflation).
Yeah, get 3rd and 4th slots ASAP! Thunder/Taran Boa is great. The Golem is solid, but also give the Patton a try, particularly with Pinatas.
Once you have that 3rd slot, get a beacon capper, I suggest Cossack. The Orkan works great on it, but with its low health, you might want to keep it on the Golem and use Tulus or even Ecu on the Cossack.
With four slots, you probably want one capper and three knifers, but it's also not a bad time to try out midrange. Quad CR-V Patton probably best, but Trident/Tulu/Pin Golem also works. Until you have a Trident, you can sub KwK to get the feel of juggling the different reload times. I think. I don't have a Trident yet either.
Hope that helps!
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Post by B30RLL on Dec 11, 2016 22:54:35 GMT -5
TT boa and TOP golem are both great setups. Goodjob! Agree with [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on getting cossack. Dirt cheap and super effective. Assuming you have wsp unlocked, recommend slapping a taran on it. Tarans will be with you for rest of the game, so good investment. |
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Post by Deadalready on Dec 11, 2016 23:15:17 GMT -5
With others I'll harp on with getting those extra hanger slots as it'll make a huge difference.
Personally I've had way more success with Boa:ThunderTarans (than ThunderOrkan). In fact I keep 2 in my hanger purely for dealing with Geps.
My other knifer is a Golem:ThunderOrkanMagnum and it's proven extremely effective at bursting down enemies (golem unfortunately lacks the hp to do long engagements anyway).
Pinata Pattons melt tough opponents but suffer from being lumbering glass cannons.
CRV Pattons are really good for dealing with Thunders from outside of their range.
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Post by elttaes on Dec 12, 2016 2:59:00 GMT -5
Huh, I thought I'd made a reply last night, but it apparently didn't take. I've got 4 slots. One of them will be a Cossack or Destrier. I'm still undecided on the last bot. If I had to do it right now, it'd probably be a low bronze Thunder Schutze, but I'm plaing on picking up another medium before I go. I'll have to give the Patton some thought, it sounds interesting.
I'll be getting another Taran soon, if I go with the Patton I'll be able to put it on the Cossack.
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Post by elttaes on Dec 15, 2016 17:30:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the help and the suggestions, guys, I ended up going a little bit early, I guess I just couldn't wait to try it out. Won a couple, lost a couple (so far) but I didn't feel outclassed. My first three battles were on Yamantau, and I was starting to wonder if that's all I'd ever see, then the 4th was on Canyon.
Current lineup
6/6 Destrier-Pinatas
3/566 Golem Thunder Orkan Pinata
5/5 Boa Thunder Taran
2/5 Patton quad CRV Pin (will be level 3 by morning)
I've been particularly pleased with my Destrier and my Patton so far.
I need to level my Destrier one more and most of my weapons. Any suggestions on what to level first?
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Post by moody on Dec 15, 2016 18:15:45 GMT -5
I hate to say, disarm and shelve that boa. Buy a new one and only level it to 3 for the moment.
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Post by lephturn on Dec 16, 2016 9:39:57 GMT -5
Yep - 5 boa is putting you in low silver I think.
I'd also shelve the Destrier and get a Cossack for beacon running. I'm running either a Punnisher T or a Tulum on it until I can get a Taran for the little beast. Cossack can jump fast enough to grab beacons and get to the enemy's side of the field. Ideally I get 2 side beacons early with it, then go for the enemy's home beacon. All it takes is for me to flip their home beacon to divert a substantial number of enemies to retake it and kill me. I use cover and jump around like a mad bunny to keep as many enemies on me as possible - giving my team an opening to push.
You can technically do that with a Destrier but it's much harder. On Springfield for example I can get a side beacon and then jump across the gully and pop up in a spot without a ramp. You don't want to try running up the ramp or across the bridge in a Destrier - you'll get smoked.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 16, 2016 11:34:05 GMT -5
I dunno, the dual-Pinata Destrier is definitely growing on me. I still also have the Cossack, but when one of my tasks called for something done by a light bot in a single match, I tried also running the Destrier, and it always almost does something productive in every match, and sometimes does quite a lot of damage.
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Post by The Violator on Dec 17, 2016 10:26:18 GMT -5
I dunno, the dual-Pinata Destrier is definitely growing on me. I still also have the Cossack, but when one of my tasks called for something done by a light bot in a single match, I tried also running the Destrier, and it always almost does something productive in every match, and sometimes does quite a lot of damage. Have you tried a Gepard? |
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 17, 2016 14:50:03 GMT -5
No, I prefer long term investments, and I hear the Gepard doesn't do well at higher tiers. Maybe I'll try one out after I get three more Orkans, a couple of Galahads, two or three more Aphids, a Zeus, and a Lancelot.
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Post by The Violator on Dec 17, 2016 16:07:31 GMT -5
No, I prefer long term investments, and I hear the Gepard doesn't do well at higher tiers. Maybe I'll try one out after I get three more Orkans, a couple of Galahads, two or three more Aphids, a Zeus, and a Lancelot. It can be both depending on how much gold you average per win and you're winrate. |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Dec 17, 2016 16:50:54 GMT -5
SLOTS BEFORE BOTS *throws tantrum*
Also, rearrange that hangar. Drop the Cossack, give it the Orkan. Switch your TOP Golem to a Plasma Golem (buy a magnum), move all piñatas (and buy another one) to the Patton, and drop the Boa for another Golem, which you should make a Rocket Golem. So:
Buy:
1 Magnum
1 Piñata
1 Trident
1 Tulumbas
1 Cossack
1 Golem
Move:
Orkan to Cossack
Taran to Golem
[new magnum] to Golem
Piñata [from golem] to Patton
2x Piñata [from destrier] to Patton
[new pinata] to Patton
[new Golem] to replace boa
Pin [from Patton] to [new golem]
[new trident] to [new golem]
[new tulumbas] to [new golem]
End result:
6/8 Orkan Cossack
4/8 Piñata Patton
4/8 Plasma Golem
4/8 Rocket Golem
That hangar tears Silver to bits, JS.
Best wishes from salt.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 17, 2016 17:43:07 GMT -5
No, I prefer long term investments, and I hear the Gepard doesn't do well at higher tiers. Maybe I'll try one out after I get three more Orkans, a couple of Galahads, two or three more Aphids, a Zeus, and a Lancelot. aphid gepard is great for tight maps, other than that yeah pretty useless in gold  |
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 17, 2016 20:08:00 GMT -5
No, I prefer long term investments, and I hear the Gepard doesn't do well at higher tiers. Maybe I'll try one out after I get three more Orkans, a couple of Galahads, two or three more Aphids, a Zeus, and a Lancelot. It can be both depending on how much gold you average per win and you're winrate. I see Silver as the time to build a Gold hangar while also developing the skills required to pilot it. I see the skills part of that as the bottleneck for me, not the gold. I'm about halfway to the 2nd Orkan for a Death Button Griffin and haven't yet mastered Plasma Death Button and am only starting to get the hang of Russian Death Button Griffin. I'm also about 80% to a Rhino, which I hear is very tricky. I think I'll have plenty of equipment to play around with and get acquainted with until the Galahad rolls in. I'm also not yet bored or tired with med bots in low silver, Given the sheer multitudes of people who singlehandedly win matches with the Gep, it doesn't seem to need much skill to learn, and there doesn't seem to be a similar bot effective in Gold that any such skill would transfer to anyways. |
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Post by The Violator on Dec 17, 2016 23:31:44 GMT -5
It can be both depending on how much gold you average per win and you're winrate. I see Silver as the time to build a Gold hangar while also developing the skills required to pilot it. I see the skills part of that as the bottleneck for me, not the gold. I'm about halfway to the 2nd Orkan for a Death Button Griffin and haven't yet mastered Plasma Death Button and am only starting to get the hang of Russian Death Button Griffin. I'm also about 80% to a Rhino, which I hear is very tricky. I think I'll have plenty of equipment to play around with and get acquainted with until the Galahad rolls in. I'm also not yet bored or tired with med bots in low silver, Given the sheer multitudes of people who singlehandedly win matches with the Gep, it doesn't seem to need much skill to learn, and there doesn't seem to be a similar bot effective in Gold that any such skill would transfer to anyways. That's fair. I've honestly never thought of it that way. I use gepards to speed up my gold as it can Cap and damage. I use the gold to get stuff I need for the gold tier. I don't seal club as I keep atleast one medium bot in the lineup to keep me in a sweet spot where it's always a challeng and I adjust it's weapons as needed. As far as skill lvl it really depends on the person. Yes, anyone can seal club but very few people actually get the most out of them and that skill is universal to any bot. |
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Post by elttaes on Dec 18, 2016 2:14:04 GMT -5
SLOTS BEFORE BOTS *throws tantrum* Also, rearrange that hangar. Drop the Cossack, give it the Orkan. Switch your TOP Golem to a Plasma Golem (buy a magnum), move all piñatas (and buy another one) to the Patton, and drop the Boa for another Golem, which you should make a Rocket Golem. So: Buy: 1 Magnum 1 Piñata 1 Trident 1 Tulumbas 1 Cossack 1 Golem Move: Orkan to Cossack Taran to Golem [new magnum] to Golem Piñata [from golem] to Patton 2x Piñata [from destrier] to Patton [new pinata] to Patton [new Golem] to replace boa Pin [from Patton] to [new golem] [new trident] to [new golem] [new tulumbas] to [new golem] End result: 6/8 Orkan Cossack 4/8 Piñata Patton 4/8 Plasma Golem 4/8 Rocket Golem That hangar tears Silver to bits, JS. Best wishes from salt. Tantrum all you want, I've had 4 slots since before this thread started. My only gold purchases have been 2 Orkans. I'm starting to save for 5th slot. This sounds like good advice, but I'm looking at just getting into high bronze. You say this tears it up in Silver, will it also work in bronze? Assuming it does, I'd like to know some of the reasons before I scrap my Boas and rearrange everything. Why Golem over Boa? Patton 3 is super slow, is it viable with short range? |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 18, 2016 3:30:30 GMT -5
SLOTS BEFORE BOTS *throws tantrum* Also, rearrange that hangar. Drop the Cossack, give it the Orkan. Switch your TOP Golem to a Plasma Golem (buy a magnum), move all piñatas (and buy another one) to the Patton, and drop the Boa for another Golem, which you should make a Rocket Golem. So: Buy: 1 Magnum 1 Piñata 1 Trident 1 Tulumbas 1 Cossack 1 Golem Move: Orkan to Cossack Taran to Golem [new magnum] to Golem Piñata [from golem] to Patton 2x Piñata [from destrier] to Patton [new pinata] to Patton [new Golem] to replace boa Pin [from Patton] to [new golem] [new trident] to [new golem] [new tulumbas] to [new golem] End result: 6/8 Orkan Cossack 4/8 Piñata Patton 4/8 Plasma Golem 4/8 Rocket Golem That hangar tears Silver to bits, JS. Best wishes from salt. Tantrum all you want, I've had 4 slots since before this thread started. My only gold purchases have been 2 Orkans. I'm starting to save for 5th slot. This sounds like good advice, but I'm looking at just getting into high bronze. You say this tears it up in Silver, will it also work in bronze? Assuming it does, I'd like to know some of the reasons before I scrap my Boas and rearrange everything. Why Golem over Boa? Patton 3 is super slow, is it viable with short range? pinata Patton is a risk v reward bot, if you land your shots you are going to severely cripple/kill your enemy and come off relatively unscathed, if you don't land your shots you will need to have closely cover or you're pretty much dead. I would stick with the boa for knife fighting, the health pool of the boa helps a lot for those close quarter encounters. |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Dec 18, 2016 3:31:44 GMT -5
SLOTS BEFORE BOTS *throws tantrum* Also, rearrange that hangar. Drop the Cossack, give it the Orkan. Switch your TOP Golem to a Plasma Golem (buy a magnum), move all piñatas (and buy another one) to the Patton, and drop the Boa for another Golem, which you should make a Rocket Golem. So: Buy: 1 Magnum 1 Piñata 1 Trident 1 Tulumbas 1 Cossack 1 Golem Move: Orkan to Cossack Taran to Golem [new magnum] to Golem Piñata [from golem] to Patton 2x Piñata [from destrier] to Patton [new pinata] to Patton [new Golem] to replace boa Pin [from Patton] to [new golem] [new trident] to [new golem] [new tulumbas] to [new golem] End result: 6/8 Orkan Cossack 4/8 Piñata Patton 4/8 Plasma Golem 4/8 Rocket Golem That hangar tears Silver to bits, JS. Best wishes from salt. Tantrum all you want, I've had 4 slots since before this thread started. My only gold purchases have been 2 Orkans. I'm starting to save for 5th slot. This sounds like good advice, but I'm looking at just getting into high bronze. You say this tears it up in Silver, will it also work in bronze? Assuming it does, I'd like to know some of the reasons before I scrap my Boas and rearrange everything. Why Golem over Boa? Patton 3 is super slow, is it viable with short range? With the right use of cover, speed is always negligible. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 18, 2016 3:32:49 GMT -5
With the right use of cover, speed is always negligible. not always, but yeah this is generally true |
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Post by elttaes on Dec 18, 2016 4:55:33 GMT -5
Okay, but would those all work at High Bronze levels?
5/8 Orkan Cossack
3/6 for the Patton and the Golems?
I ask because I know that there are some important breakpoints for the bots at level 4 and the weapons at level 7 or 8.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 18, 2016 5:34:16 GMT -5
Okay, but would those all work at High Bronze levels? 5/8 Orkan Cossack 3/6 for the Patton and the Golems? I ask because I know that there are some important breakpoints for the bots at level 4 and the weapons at level 7 or 8. 4/9 light bots and 4/6 mediums is the border between high bronze and low silver, anything past that will land you into low silver. |
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Post by elttaes on Dec 18, 2016 12:01:50 GMT -5
Interesting, I swear I'd seen 3/6 for medium.
Okay, would 4/6 for the Golems/Patton and 4/9 work well in Bronze? CSB's advice was apparently for Silver tier, so I want to know if it will also work in High Bronze.
Ah, found it, tintehfiend says 3/6 mediums for high bronze on the matchmaker/tier listing. But if I can get 4/6, that's even better.
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