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Post by Poopface on May 24, 2017 10:35:25 GMT -5
To this point I've been using a Stalker for initial flag capturing and general harassment. I've finally come to the conclusion that it's a little too squishy, the cloak doesn't last long enough for use in wide-open maps, and doesn't have enough teeth in it to suit my tastes. I'm ready to move on.
I'm likely missing something, but it seems like my main options are Gareth or Rogatka.
Can you all make some recommendations?
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Post by BastionOW on May 24, 2017 10:48:41 GMT -5
Gareth. One of the fastest, highest firepower of all lights, had a shield, can outrun all rockets from +101 meters.
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Post by piginapoke on May 24, 2017 11:05:02 GMT -5
Put simply: Gareth. Level it up 9 (for speed and strength) and upwards and plonk a level 10 or higher Taran and level 10 magnum. Best works if there are other Gareths in your team as they can circle around an opponent and quickly deal with them.
Keep away from any enemy that is pointing any weapon with splash damage and keep away from any men that say you look cute in leather shorts.
Rogota: vastly improved but still squishy. Don’t get me wrong I bought one (and then another popped out of a chest) and it is a fun bot to use but it takes to plasma like a duck takes to petrol.
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Post by Poopface on May 24, 2017 11:22:11 GMT -5
Put simply: Gareth. Level it up 9 (for speed and strength) and upwards and plonk a level 10 or higher Taran and level 10 magnum. Best works if there are other Gareths in your team as they can circle around an opponent and quickly deal with them. Taran/Magnum better/worse/equal to Orkan/Pinata or Orkan/Magnum? I ask partly out of curiosity, but also partly because it seems to me that Gareths would likely be running into a bunch of other Gareths. I'd think that the ability to burn down shields via rockets might be more beneficial than plasma? But............but..........
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 11:42:09 GMT -5
In a Gareth duel, the Plasma Gareth always wins. Yes, rockets may be able to kill Gareths more easily, but Gareths can backpedal.
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Post by piginapoke on May 24, 2017 11:51:40 GMT -5
Put simply: Gareth. Level it up 9 (for speed and strength) and upwards and plonk a level 10 or higher Taran and level 10 magnum. Best works if there are other Gareths in your team as they can circle around an opponent and quickly deal with them. Taran/Magnum better/worse/equal to Orkan/Pinata or Orkan/Magnum? I ask partly out of curiosity, but also partly because it seems to me that Gareths would likely be running into a bunch of other Gareths. I'd think that the ability to burn down shields via rockets might be more beneficial than plasma? But............but.......... Ok. It is true that first wave is usually light capper bots. I have tried using Orkans and pinatas and let me tell you, Orkans are nice when you press the button the first time but then its like someone blowing raspberries - one missile at a time and even a Cossack laughs at the Orkan. Also, Orkans work nice in twos (or threes if you are a Fujin moggy) but the fact remains that the most damge is done in the first few seconds. For now the pinatas are satisfactory to fire maybe if they will be modded to fire on reload they can be slightly more effective but at this point in time you fire a salvo of pinatas and then you sit and twiddle your thumbs while they reload. Meanwhile the other bot is doing its best to circle you and get behind your shield to slip you one PLUS the fact that while you are dancing around with your opponent Gareth another enemy can sneak behind and thrash you. And you do not want to have two opponents with a reloading pinata and an okran that is firing a couple of missles. Also, if you come up against an ancile bot you had better have maxed out missles and cripple them with your first volley as otherwise they will turn you into baco foil. I have seen a combo of Taran and Pinata Gareths and if you zoom and boom, maybe you stand a chance against another Gareth but my point is; I do not tangle with a shield bot when I am in a Gareth - too much waste of time and I leave myself open to an attack from a second enemy. Best if I make my way somewhere else and either find an unsuspecting opponent or another beacon.
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Post by Poopface on May 24, 2017 12:03:26 GMT -5
All of that makes perfect sense, guys. Thanks for the help!
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Post by noobcake on May 24, 2017 13:24:03 GMT -5
I would say that Gareth and Rog are both excellent choices. The speed is roughly equivalent and both do well against short range rockets. The Gareth fares better against plasma but much worse against mid-range splash damage. The Rogatka has better damage output.
Gareth - 64 km/h, 80k hp + 160k shield + medium + light Rogatka - 60 km/h, 150k hp + 2s cooldown jump + 2x mediums
Purely for beacons and harassment the Gareth is better. That being said, the Rogatka is nearly as good at beacon capping but is also a pro DB assassin, a good choice for Lancelot hunting, and is half-decent at rushing TT fury. YMMV
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Post by gr3ygh05t on May 24, 2017 14:42:37 GMT -5
True the Gareth is better than the stalker but the stalker is already pretty good as it is. I can solo PDB in a stalker and come up on top with a fair degree of regularity provided I don't get gang banged. With regards to wide open maps the only one that gives me issues is springfield. Yamantau actually has plenty of cover but you have to go to the far right and left of the map to get decent cover.
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Post by Insane Demon on May 24, 2017 17:57:41 GMT -5
Carnage with two Anciles (this is just a guess since I don't have a maxed Carnage with two maxed Anciles).
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Post by FlashAhAhh on May 24, 2017 18:15:34 GMT -5
I'm voting for Rog here. It is my very favourite bot! It takes skill and practice but a Rog can Cap just as fast as a light bot but has the firepower and the jump which makes it a superb harasser. With Orkans you can eat Gary and Stalkers for breakfast (Against Gary, fire in the air while jumping towards them, they can't backpedal). Learn to use the clunky aiming system to your advantage and even a PDB Griff is no match for you 1 vs 1. Great for hunting snipers, Rajin and Lance's as well!
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Post by gr3ygh05t on May 24, 2017 18:19:17 GMT -5
Carnage with two Anciles (this is just a guess since I don't have a maxed Carnage with two maxed Anciles). No it won't work. Too slow and the Anciles do nothing against plasma.
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Post by 0ppressor on May 25, 2017 0:11:06 GMT -5
My vote goes to, and hangar includes: Pic 'borrowed' from General Mefu
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Post by Why? on May 25, 2017 0:23:15 GMT -5
I use a Orkan Cossack. Usually get 3 beacons right off the bat in Yama, 2-3 in Canyon or Spring, 2 in short maps + 1-2 kills tagging with heavies. You need to be a good jumper though, aware of the situation and all. But an Orkan Cossack can eat any heavies that have been some damaged already, people tend to ignore it which makes the surprise factor more potent.
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Post by T34 on May 25, 2017 0:27:44 GMT -5
got 14 beacons once during the event and 13 many times. 2 stalkers (one ECU and 1 weapon so its taken seriously), 1 gareth, I galahad and lastly an ancilot. Lead with the Garry.
Ideal hanger 2 gareths, 1 galahad, 1 stalker and either another stalker or a rog (both have advantages).
I'd also say my order of preference between usual cappers Cossack<stalker<gareth
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Post by moody on May 25, 2017 0:51:43 GMT -5
You can always tell the lower leagues by people suggesting cossack as a valid option.
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Post by T34 on May 25, 2017 1:06:14 GMT -5
you are right moody. in gold Cossacks start loosing their relevance. in higher leagues one jumps and before it hits the ground its dead. Not a viable option when firepower increases. Having said this I used a fleet of Cossacks to grind out my first gala and gareth.
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Post by bahamut24 on May 25, 2017 1:18:17 GMT -5
I use a stalker, can capture 2 beacons at start of the game and then go for third, works for me, although I personally think gareth can survive the longest in the battlefield when compared to other beacon cappers (light bots)
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Post by piginapoke on May 25, 2017 1:19:33 GMT -5
I'm voting for Rog here. It is my very favourite bot! It takes skill and practice but a Rog can Cap just as fast as a light bot but has the firepower and the jump which makes it a superb harasser. With Orkans you can eat Gary and Stalkers for breakfast (Against Gary, fire in the air while jumping towards them, they can't backpedal). Learn to use the clunky aiming system to your advantage and even a PDB Griff is no match for you 1 vs 1. Great for hunting snipers, Rajin and Lance's as well! Hey, I'm ok with that. To each their own. My issue with jumping bots is that unless you are are jumping sideways to hide behind an obstacle or you are sure that by jumping you win the element of surprise and can kill an enemy, then you leave yourself open to a devastating counter attack. The rog has been toughened up ,that much I freely admit but I feel that a good gareth with plasma can take on a similar level Rog and win.
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Post by T34 on May 25, 2017 1:23:45 GMT -5
A rog with L11+ orkans one shoots a full HP gareth. PS gareths are only 58kmp in reality. 64 is a myth.
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Post by bahamut24 on May 25, 2017 1:42:55 GMT -5
I'm voting for Rog here. It is my very favourite bot! It takes skill and practice but a Rog can Cap just as fast as a light bot but has the firepower and the jump which makes it a superb harasser. With Orkans you can eat Gary and Stalkers for breakfast (Against Gary, fire in the air while jumping towards them, they can't backpedal). Learn to use the clunky aiming system to your advantage and even a PDB Griff is no match for you 1 vs 1. Great for hunting snipers, Rajin and Lance's as well! Hey, I'm ok with that. To each their own. My issue with jumping bots is that unless you are are jumping sideways to hide behind an obstacle or you are sure that by jumping you win the element of surprise and can kill an enemy, then you leave yourself open to a devastating counter attack. The rog has been toughened up ,that much I freely admit but I feel that a good gareth with plasma can take on a similar level Rog and win. I agree, jumping is great for attack, but you're exposed, was able to kill ork rog 1 to 1 with aphid stalker on powerplant beacon A because of my stealth and his bad aiming. Rog will only be good if the pilot is good
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Post by =Rogue-13= on May 25, 2017 23:00:07 GMT -5
To this point I've been using a Stalker for initial flag capturing and general harassment. I've finally come to the conclusion that it's a little too squishy, the cloak doesn't last long enough for use in wide-open maps, and doesn't have enough teeth in it to suit my tastes. I'm ready to move on. I'm likely missing something, but it seems like my main options are Gareth or Rogatka. Can you all make some recommendations? Gareth all the way...
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Post by drake1588 on May 25, 2017 23:03:36 GMT -5
Rogatka or stalker would be my choices in this meta.
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Post by Poopface on May 26, 2017 10:19:11 GMT -5
I've been using a Stalker. I can generally get 1-2 flags early on, but if I have to go to-to-toe with just about anyone I lose. I'm sure plenty of that is due to poor piloting on my part, but when compared vs a Gareth or Rogatka in an open space there is only so much maneuvering I can do.
I already have a few Rogatkas in my stable (although all are L1). I'm 60 gold away from a Gareth. I think I'll see how he works out. If I don't like him, I'll level up a Rogatka and see how I do there.
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Post by drake1588 on May 26, 2017 16:59:48 GMT -5
Gareth is terrible in the current meta on android
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Post by hyderier on May 26, 2017 17:28:04 GMT -5
Gareth is terrible in the current meta on android Terrible compared to which bots? Galahad, Rog, Stalker, Cossack and Gepard are pretty much the only competition, which of these are truly better for the same purpose? Rog maybe, in my opinion, but it also costs twice as much.
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Post by drake1588 on May 26, 2017 17:58:18 GMT -5
Just terrible in general. Today was better than yesterday, though. There are just a ton of splash rockets right now, so Gary and Galahad are both dicey plays right now. Rog has been the best cap not for me so far. Much better at dodging missile crossfire than the Brit bots.
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Post by cyberknight on May 26, 2017 21:52:02 GMT -5
I've been playing for a few weeks now and I have a question. What are the thoughts on a Carnage as a capper? I've got the WP points for one. I already have a lv 7 Stalker but it's a little too squishy against most of the matches I've been against lately. And getting the Au for any of the Brit bots or the Rog is difficult at best with all the tankers I run into. Plus I can use the Carnage down the road when I can grind out enough Au for another bot. I figure the rush ability can make up for some of its lack of speed and the built-in shield would help against the early splash weapons I see. Plus its potential damage output gives me a chance at a top three spot.
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Post by magnumforce on May 27, 2017 10:03:15 GMT -5
Magnumforce here. The Gareth is my favorite bot, and always first up (Even with a Plasmahad) due to it's mobility, and relative toughness for a lightweight. In most cases, an annoying Stalker is no match. I was running a Taran/Magnum combo on the Gareth, but found that the close range, and sustained damage required to make plasma effective made me vulnerable (missle sitting duck also). I'm now running a Tulumbas and Pin, using the range, and cover to my advantage. I'm lasting longer and getting a few kills, not just beacons, plus the added splash damage to shielded opponents. I haven't really seen this setup yet on other Gareths. Thoughts?
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Post by metal on May 29, 2017 5:57:02 GMT -5
I prefer Stalker over Gareth.
Gareth - Superior in overall because you still can do lot of damage with it while capping beacon. Stalker - Better capper in open/bigger map (based on my personal experience)
One of the best thing about the stalker is it can avoid Trident with the stealth. Many would argue the duration of the stealth is too short but if you time it correctly, you can avoid a lot of trident volley. In Dead City, you can liberate and capped the center beacon with so many guns point at you thanks to the stealth (though you mostly die after that). Gareth might be able to do it but mostly just turn it white.
For those do not have a capper I would suggest getting a stalker first. It is more useful than you think. I manage to cap 10 beacons with stalker and survive the whole match (1 bot used) with >50% HP left in Moon and PP. In DC the most is 8 beacon capped. However, my damage is pretty low and every time I had a high beacon cap score my damage was <100K. Since I got the 5gold for capping it is all good.
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