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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 23:47:05 GMT -5
I bought a second Raijin yesterday, and it will be level 5 tomorrow. So why did I spend my precious WSP points on one of the worst bots, like out of my former 70K WSP? I mean it's a lot, but I was saving for up to 100K, and then when my main hanger gets to level 12 in like a zillion years, I will have all my WSP saved up to insta buy 3 more Carnages, 3 more Fujins so I can get 5 each and field an entire hanger's worth of spider bots for instance. Even with my impulsive buying spree, I can still buy another Carnage, a few more Trebs, and a Trident to outfit all my WSP bots with WSP weapons. So the moral of the story, is to save, save, save. You can never have enough WSP. Now I may want to run 5 Raijins, so I need to keep saving WSP.
So with 2 Raijins, it allows me to run them in tandem and get a feel of the bot faster. Rock climbing is a dangerous affair, so lots of time you will slip and fall and someone could shoot you in the back. Instead of rage quitting, I can run my second one and go right back into climbing mode. Why is climbing important? Well, that is one of the main features of the bot. You need to practice it as much as possible to figure out how to climb the same things over and over. You don't want to surmount a building, then next time get stuck on the ground and lose the match for your team. Once I have leveled up my skill, I can use 1 in my hanger, and climb to the top of the spire and kill all my foes. That is the main advantage of the Raijin.
First some good crow's nests or watch tower. 1. Dead City - Get on top of the main building, and go up to the steeple. 2. Moon Map - Climb the ridge to the right of spawn. 3. Canyon - Climb the tall rock formation.
Now some tips. 1. Look for organic things to climb first. They are the easiest to scale. 2. Manmade structures like buildings are much tougher to climb, but some might be possible. 3. Look for protrusions or indentations in buildings for your foot to grab onto. 4. Move your camera around to identify the shape of buildings. Most of the time, they are more than a simple rectangular shape. 5. Position your bot and esp. your foot to reach these footholds that you have identified. 6. This is a 3D game. Being off by a couple inches can be the difference between success or failure. 7. When inching your way up, use markers to see if you are climbing. For example, look at the top of your head and a window in a building, and see if your head is creeping closer to the window. 8. It might take a few minutes to inch your way up some things. 9. Try to find the fastest path. You might have to attack the building from a certain angle or position, and you can climb up 10x faster. 10. You can climb on top of other robots. 11. Use another robot as a step ladder to get onto some buildings. 12. Be careful how you use the legs of your bot. 13. You might need one leg to reach for the flat top of a monument you're climbing, and then pull you the rest of the way up. 14. Or you might need to use a leg and push against a pipe to push yourself up higher. 15. Once you reach the top, you can use one leg to hold on and dangle off the side to avoid detection and plasma. 16. When you're ready to fire or a target comes into view, pull yourself back up. Fire, then retreat to cover. This is the preferred mode of attack. 17. Try not to go into bastion mode as that leaves you exposed. 18. Raijin's head is very slim and flat profile. 19. Try to pop your eyes just barely above cover like a crab, and they might not even see you there when attacking. 20. Use this when scanning the horizon for a target. 21. You may need to drop off the building when evading rocket fire. 22. With the right perch, your bot can last a really long time. 23. Remember, on offense you have a better view and angle on targets clear from obstructions. 24. Some targets will not be used to your presence, and unwittingly expose themselves thinking they are safe. 25. On defense, you always have the wall/building as protection so you'll be safe from plasma and rockets, even without an Ancile. No other long range platform boasts this dual protection and strong defensive characteristics. 26. Worst case, your shield and high hit point will keep you alive for close encounters. 27. Raijin does much better on maps where Fury is considered bad, like Dead City and Moon map. Much, much better.
I guess this is a semi-guide. More updates as I learn more. It's only been 2 days since I put it back in my line up.
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May 24, 2017 8:56:41 GMT -5
Post by BastionOW on May 24, 2017 8:56:41 GMT -5
This is great, I was thinking of getting my own Raijin, and this helped alot.
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May 25, 2017 2:19:09 GMT -5
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Post by greyhawk on May 25, 2017 2:19:09 GMT -5
Could you please post videos on how you climb things? I've got a raij in the last event and think i'm gonna buy one for my german/nippon army but seems to me i can't climb anything ! Plus i've seen many raijin flying do you know how to do that?
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Post by BLYTHE on May 25, 2017 3:11:31 GMT -5
I would seriously recommend people to go on the test server and try out a bot (or 5 of the same one) before buying it. It's also a good place to practice without affecting your teammates too much.
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May 25, 2017 3:38:49 GMT -5
Post by Tatamat on May 25, 2017 3:38:49 GMT -5
Good hints!
One day I'll get bored by Britbots and Carnage and that will be the day I'll buy Raijin, put two Tridents or Zeuses on it and look into your post again. Two-Zeus Raijin sitting on top of tallest buildings at Power Plant / Dead City / Moon sounds damned good!
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Post by ༒ƜƦƛƖƬӇ༒ on May 25, 2017 6:21:00 GMT -5
The drawback to all that climbing around, is you leave your teammates with one less person while you play.. so it hurts the team.. Just a thought..
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Post by bahamut24 on May 25, 2017 7:27:57 GMT -5
I bought a second Raijin yesterday, and it will be level 5 tomorrow. So why did I spend my precious WSP points on one of the worst bots, like out of my former 70K WSP? I mean it's a lot, but I was saving for up to 100K, and then when my main hanger gets to level 12 in like a zillion years, I will have all my WSP saved up to insta buy 3 more Carnages, 3 more Fujins so I can get 5 each and field an entire hanger's worth of spider bots for instance. Even with my impulsive buying spree, I can still buy another Carnage, a few more Trebs, and a Trident to outfit all my WSP bots with WSP weapons. So the moral of the story, is to save, save, save. You can never have enough WSP. Now I may want to run 5 Raijins, so I need to keep saving WSP. So with 2 Raijins, it allows me to run them in tandem and get a feel of the bot faster. Rock climbing is a dangerous affair, so lots of time you will slip and fall and someone could shoot you in the back. Instead of rage quitting, I can run my second one and go right back into climbing mode. Why is climbing important? Well, that is one of the main features of the bot. You need to practice it as much as possible to figure out how to climb the same things over and over. You don't want to surmount a building, then next time get stuck on the ground and lose the match for your team. Once I have leveled up my skill, I can use 1 in my hanger, and climb to the top of the spire and kill all my foes. That is the main advantage of the Raijin. First some good crow's nests or watch tower. 1. Dead City - Get on top of the main building, and go up to the steeple. 2. Moon Map - Climb the ridge to the right of spawn. 3. Canyon - Climb the tall rock formation. Now some tips. 1. Look for organic things to climb first. They are the easiest to scale. 2. Manmade structures like buildings are much tougher to climb, but some might be possible. 3. Look for protrusions or indentations in buildings for your foot to grab onto. 4. Move your camera around to identify the shape of buildings. Most of the time, they are more than a simple rectangular shape. 5. Position your bot and esp. your foot to reach these footholds that you have identified. 6. This is a 3D game. Being off by a couple inches can be the difference between success or failure. 7. When inching your way up, use markers to see if you are climbing. For example, look at the top of your head and a window in a building, and see if your head is creeping closer to the window. 8. It might take a few minutes to inch your way up some things. 9. Try to find the fastest path. You might have to attack the building from a certain angle or position, and you can climb up 10x faster. 10. You can climb on top of other robots. 11. Use another robot as a step ladder to get onto some buildings. 12. Be careful how you use the legs of your bot. 13. You might need one leg to reach for the flat top of a monument you're climbing, and then pull you the rest of the way up. 14. Or you might need to use a leg and push against a pipe to push yourself up higher. 15. Once you reach the top, you can use one leg to hold on and dangle off the side to avoid detection and plasma. 16. When you're ready to fire or a target comes into view, pull yourself back up. Fire, then retreat to cover. This is the preferred mode of attack. 17. Try not to go into bastion mode as that leaves you exposed. 18. Raijin's head is very slim and flat profile. 19. Try to pop your eyes just barely above cover like a crab, and they might not even see you there when attacking. 20. Use this when scanning the horizon for a target. 21. You may need to drop off the building when evading rocket fire. 22. With the right perch, your bot can last a really long time. 23. Remember, on offense you have a better view and angle on targets clear from obstructions. 24. Some targets will not be used to your presence, and unwittingly expose themselves thinking they are safe. 25. On defense, you always have the wall/building as protection so you'll be safe from plasma and rockets, even without an Ancile. No other long range platform boasts this dual protection and strong defensive characteristics. 26. Worst case, your shield and high hit point will keep you alive for close encounters. 27. Raijin does much better on maps where Fury is considered bad, like Dead City and Moon map. Much, much better. I guess this is a semi-guide. More updates as I learn more. It's only been 2 days since I put it back in my line up. This is very informative, I have a zeus raijin in my current hangar, and won't trade it even for a galahad. Climbing can change the game. Thanks again for the guide!
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May 25, 2017 7:35:59 GMT -5
Post by Tatamat on May 25, 2017 7:35:59 GMT -5
The drawback to all that climbing around, is you leave your teammates with one less person while you play.. so it hurts the team.. Just a thought.. You can't shoot while you're climbing? (don't have spider bot so far)
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May 25, 2017 7:45:42 GMT -5
Post by ༒ƜƦƛƖƬӇ༒ on May 25, 2017 7:45:42 GMT -5
The drawback to all that climbing around, is you leave your teammates with one less person while you play.. so it hurts the team.. Just a thought.. You can't shoot while you're climbing? (don't have spider bot so far) You can shoot.. but your attention is to getting to a safe spot where you can snipe the other team.. In your quest to find that spot and get up to it.. The potential is to leave your teammates to their own devices without your support until you get situated ... I would think you learn the bot on the test server as previously stated, instead of other teammates expense.. Just my thoughts.. and they can be very random..
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 14:29:55 GMT -5
Could you please post videos on how you climb things? I've got a raij in the last event and think i'm gonna buy one for my german/nippon army but seems to me i can't climb anything ! Plus i've seen many raijin flying do you know how to do that? Sorry, I don't know how to make videos and not a Youtuber. Have you looked into my first tip, climb easy things like on Canyon? Almost every rock is climbable there. The tall monoliths are climbable but prolly not easy for you. Try the small rock formation / mesa in front of right spawn. That's prolly the easiest thing you can climb on top of. It looks like a really wide tree stump, but made out of rock with 2 tiered flat surfaces. Or climb on top of the farm houses on Springfield. These 2 are one of the few things I could get on top of, at first.
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May 25, 2017 14:39:04 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 14:39:04 GMT -5
The drawback to all that climbing around, is you leave your teammates with one less person while you play.. so it hurts the team.. Just a thought.. Most of the spots only take 10 seconds to get on top of, so it does require practice and experience to learn which ones. I tend to avoid the ones which take more than a few minutes. At the beginning of the game, most bots are getting into position and out of range of each other, so this is a pretty good time to climb and make use of this lull. Also, some things have a slow and fast way of climbing it, so you can take 5 seconds or a minute. I try to learn the fast way. So an experienced climber won't put his team into jeopardy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 5:44:36 GMT -5
I don't know if there was a silent nerf since the 2.9 update, but I can't climb some spots anymore! I haven't checked every map and every spot since that would take too long and drop me down a tier again. Did anyone else notice any changes to climbing or am I hallucinating? This would suck big time if true. For the few places where it's actually super useful, and they nerfed it! Climbing! That's in its job description. Those are the crow's nest or watch towers that I always go to, and now it's gone!
Why nerf a bot that is hardly used and not OP.
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Post by elcheapo on Jun 6, 2017 10:09:47 GMT -5
Worst bot ? Having the most HP and a shield makes it the worst bot ? You want to make it a sniper and complain about it , well thats not a sucky Raijin , thats called user error.
Everyone kisses the backsides of the other shield bots and yet the only difference between Raijin and Brit Bots is a mobility factor that might actually be a concern if the maps were bigger . Who cares if its a tortoise , it has triple the HP . I can only hope that some other heavy bot has 200 K when maxed. Raijin has 209 000 at level 9 . Oh yes it has a shield. Did i mention it has a Galahad shield ? . Before you can hope to cut through 200 000 of my half upgraded Bot, you have to destroy its shield first and thats assuming I am not blasting you to bits with Zeus or Thunder. Did you want to shoot Raijin in the back , its safer yes ,just make sure its not in Guard mode or its will swivel in half a second and you are at the pointy end again .
Raijin is your Tank Bot / your Assault Mech and it is very good at its job .
Why are you wasting time climbing things ? Its a 10 minute game dude.
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Post by bahamut24 on Jun 6, 2017 11:34:43 GMT -5
Worst bot ? Having the most HP and a shield makes it the worst bot ? You want to make it a sniper and complain about it , well thats not a sucky Raijin , thats called user error. Everyone kisses the backsides of the other shield bots and yet the only difference between Raijin and Brit Bots is a mobility factor that might actually be a concern if the maps were bigger . Who cares if its a tortoise , it has triple the HP . I can only hope that some other heavy bot has 200 K when maxed. Raijin has 209 000 at level 9 . Oh yes it has a shield. Did i mention it has a Galahad shield ? . Before you can hope to cut through 200 000 of my half upgraded Bot, you have to destroy its shield first and thats assuming I am not blasting you to bits with Zeus or Thunder. Did you want to shoot Raijin in the back , its safer yes ,just make sure its not in Guard mode or its will swivel in half a second and you are at the pointy end again . Raijin is your Tank Bot / your Assault Mech and it is very good at its job . Why are you wasting time climbing things ? Its a 10 minute game dude. Chill bro! He's only listing the benefits of that bot and I agree with you, I use a zeus raijin and I'm proud to say that 30-40% of my kills is through that beast
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 13:12:45 GMT -5
I am sorry, but I have to say every raijin i see with my db griffin is a free kill.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:13:04 GMT -5
Worst bot ? Having the most HP and a shield makes it the worst bot ? You want to make it a sniper and complain about it , well thats not a sucky Raijin , thats called user error. Everyone kisses the backsides of the other shield bots and yet the only difference between Raijin and Brit Bots is a mobility factor that might actually be a concern if the maps were bigger . Who cares if its a tortoise , it has triple the HP . I can only hope that some other heavy bot has 200 K when maxed. Raijin has 209 000 at level 9 . Oh yes it has a shield. Did i mention it has a Galahad shield ? . Before you can hope to cut through 200 000 of my half upgraded Bot, you have to destroy its shield first and thats assuming I am not blasting you to bits with Zeus or Thunder. Did you want to shoot Raijin in the back , its safer yes ,just make sure its not in Guard mode or its will swivel in half a second and you are at the pointy end again . Raijin is your Tank Bot / your Assault Mech and it is very good at its job . Why are you wasting time climbing things ? Its a 10 minute game dude. Chill bro! He's only listing the benefits of that bot and I agree with you, I use a zeus raijin and I'm proud to say that 30-40% of my kills is through that beast Yea, he needs to chill! I actually like the bot.
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Post by Ostrava on Jun 6, 2017 14:27:49 GMT -5
Worst bot ? Having the most HP and a shield makes it the worst bot ? You want to make it a sniper and complain about it , well thats not a sucky Raijin , thats called user error. Everyone kisses the backsides of the other shield bots and yet the only difference between Raijin and Brit Bots is a mobility factor that might actually be a concern if the maps were bigger . Who cares if its a tortoise , it has triple the HP . I can only hope that some other heavy bot has 200 K when maxed. Raijin has 209 000 at level 9 . Oh yes it has a shield. Did i mention it has a Galahad shield ? . Before you can hope to cut through 200 000 of my half upgraded Bot, you have to destroy its shield first and thats assuming I am not blasting you to bits with Zeus or Thunder. Did you want to shoot Raijin in the back , its safer yes ,just make sure its not in Guard mode or its will swivel in half a second and you are at the pointy end again . Raijin is your Tank Bot / your Assault Mech and it is very good at its job . Why are you wasting time climbing things ? Its a 10 minute game dude. Mobility is a HUGE factor, especially when it comes to dodging Orkan rockets. It's also useful to get the hell out of range when a Trident Fury spots you. The Raijin just eats all the splash and dies, making it a priority target for any reds looking to farm silver.
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Jun 7, 2017 7:52:43 GMT -5
Post by elcheapo on Jun 7, 2017 7:52:43 GMT -5
Wierd I think the same thing about Griffins when I mount Ancile Zues.
It takes a while before Raijin dies . Some pilots consider it might help their team better spending 2 - 3 minutes killing something weaker or stealing beacons . Fury is little short on HP and speed . As much i love Fury , attacking Raijin is a risky 50/50 chance and only if its got 3x Trident. Them gareths and galahads die so much quicker....
I am trying to help sell the Raijin dude . If I chilled your thread would be on page 3 by now . Did you want that ?
I feel climbing gives no tactical advantage for all that time you consumed. . The map is either sniper friendly or not . My second sales pitch is Raijin is not a sniper , its a tank . You take point and soak up damage for your buddies. If missiles bots bug you give em an ancile middle finger . If its a one on one fight you will win . If the red are smart they will gank you but that means your friends are not being targeted . This wont help your score which sucks but that is the curse of all good supports .
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Jun 7, 2017 8:01:36 GMT -5
Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 7, 2017 8:01:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately the raijiin is a giant pile of slow moving, do nothing easy silver. While you spend 5 minutes screwing around climbing stuff, the game is being lost. And if you try going toe to toe with anything you're just going to lose.
Badly.
There is no correct setup for this bot, they are all bad and should be avoided by competent players. It may be fun in silver tier, but it loses traction quickly.
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Post by bahamut24 on Jun 7, 2017 8:40:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately the raijiin is a giant pile of slow moving, do nothing easy silver. While you spend 5 minutes screwing around climbing stuff, the game is being lost. And if you try going toe to toe with anything you're just going to lose. Badly. There is no correct setup for this bot, they are all bad and should be avoided by competent players. It may be fun in silver tier, but it loses traction quickly. Yes it may not be good with the rockets but one should know how to play this bot. No bot is useless, I've seen people using cossacks in diamond and win. I'm in diamond league and use both tridents and zeus. Both work beautifully. Raijin is way cheaper than zeus and when it comes to comparison, what it lacks in dpm, it more than makes up in HP and shield. I use it in the end 2-3 minutes when my knife fighters die. It can be used both as a support and beacon defense ?
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Jun 7, 2017 8:45:45 GMT -5
Post by elcheapo on Jun 7, 2017 8:45:45 GMT -5
No shield bot is good with rockets . Thats the point of rockets.
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Jun 7, 2017 9:13:15 GMT -5
Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 7, 2017 9:13:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately the raijiin is a giant pile of slow moving, do nothing easy silver. While you spend 5 minutes screwing around climbing stuff, the game is being lost. And if you try going toe to toe with anything you're just going to lose. Badly. There is no correct setup for this bot, they are all bad and should be avoided by competent players. It may be fun in silver tier, but it loses traction quickly. Yes it may not be good with the rockets but one should know how to play this bot. No bot is useless, I've seen people using cossacks in diamond and win. I'm in diamond league and use both tridents and zeus. Both work beautifully. Raijin is way cheaper than zeus and when it comes to comparison, what it lacks in dpm, it more than makes up in HP and shield. I use it in the end 2-3 minutes when my knife fighters die. It can be used both as a support and beacon defense ? It is garbage. Feel free to use it if you want, to each their own. But the raijiin is not good in any way, shape or form. If there were a nicer way to convey this I would , but there isn't, so I wont.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:18:22 GMT -5
Post by Scuzzbopper on Jun 7, 2017 11:18:22 GMT -5
IMHO Spider bots not worth the time or silver to upgrade. Rocket and Sniper Fodder, plain and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:46:27 GMT -5
Worst bot ? Having the most HP and a shield makes it the worst bot ? You want to make it a sniper and complain about it , well thats not a sucky Raijin , thats called user error. Everyone kisses the backsides of the other shield bots and yet the only difference between Raijin and Brit Bots is a mobility factor that might actually be a concern if the maps were bigger . Who cares if its a tortoise , it has triple the HP . I can only hope that some other heavy bot has 200 K when maxed. Raijin has 209 000 at level 9 . Oh yes it has a shield. Did i mention it has a Galahad shield ? . Before you can hope to cut through 200 000 of my half upgraded Bot, you have to destroy its shield first and thats assuming I am not blasting you to bits with Zeus or Thunder. Did you want to shoot Raijin in the back , its safer yes ,just make sure its not in Guard mode or its will swivel in half a second and you are at the pointy end again . Raijin is your Tank Bot / your Assault Mech and it is very good at its job . Why are you wasting time climbing things ? Its a 10 minute game dude. Mobility is a HUGE factor, especially when it comes to dodging Orkan rockets. It's also useful to get the hell out of range when a Trident Fury spots you. The Raijin just eats all the splash and dies, making it a priority target for any reds looking to farm silver. I already explained this multiple times in my OP. The Raijin can dodge rockets. It is a spider bot and all spider bots are very nimble. So I've avoided Orkans before by using my legs and moving away from them. It's fast enough to dodge laterally behind cover. This post is more about my playstyle, and there are many playstyles with this bot. But my point is, climbing allows me to dodge rockets another way. I can duck under cover to avoid rockets. Let me repeat this because this seems to have been missed. I can dangle off my perch to avoid cover. If I'm hanging off the top of a building or tall rock, then the rockets will hit the front of the rock/building I'm on and I will avoid all damage. Let me repeat, Raijin can avoid rockets and I have done this many times. I don't play this way, but the Raijin does have a heavy hard point. If you don't want to dodge using either of the 2 methods I mentioned, then you can, I don't know, put an Ancile on it. Fourth way is to just eat the Orkan fire or long range rockets. It easily has enough hit points to go toe to toe in long range fights, it's actually ridiculous. Okay, let me explain the scenarios. Against a Carnage Trident (cause Zeus would be a joke to go up against me), we both have the same weapons so once I penetrate his shield, he'll run away packing since I still have a ton of hit points left. Against a RDB Griffin, same thing. We have comparable DPS, but I have way more hit points than him so I may actually choose to engage him one on one. More hit points than Griffin means I can soak up more splash than him. If I don't want to soak up his rockets, then just hide from him like any bot would. Against an Orkan Griffin, this is a risky move for him to jump attack me and leave himself exposed. If I'm at full health, the Orkans will not kill me but maybe drain half my health (or a third depending how leveled your Raijin is). That still leaves me plenty of health to attack the helpless and reckless Griffin. While the DB Griffin will now be dribbling rockets on me. Okay, I need to bring out some math. My level 7 Raijin (trying to get up to 9) has 184K health (wiki here is wrong btw). Even after full DB max level Griffin hits me, I have about ~60K left which is still plenty. If I can get the Raijin to a higher level (maybe 224K health), then it will still have ~100K health left. That's as much as my Galahad now, so did you ever see a DB Griffin try to "finish off" a Galahad without any rockets in the chamber? Now he's stuck in front of me because he just used his jump and ran out of rockets. Yes, this scenario happened to me, and I finished off the idiot Griffin.
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Jun 7, 2017 12:58:21 GMT -5
It can not dodge rockets. People may not hit because of what ever reason but it can NOT dodge rockets. Cmon now seriously. I liked mine too, with two thunders i once killed 4 bots in Shenzhen. In like 30 seconds lmao. But at some point other bots are just..better. nowadays when I see one..yeah I just go ahead and kill it.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:15:33 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:15:33 GMT -5
Wierd I think the same thing about Griffins when I mount Ancile Zues. It takes a while before Raijin dies . Some pilots consider it might help their team better spending 2 - 3 minutes killing something weaker or stealing beacons . Fury is little short on HP and speed . As much i love Fury , attacking Raijin is a risky 50/50 chance and only if its got 3x Trident. Them gareths and galahads die so much quicker.... I am trying to help sell the Raijin dude . If I chilled your thread would be on page 3 by now . Did you want that ? I feel climbing gives no tactical advantage for all that time you consumed. . The map is either sniper friendly or not . My second sales pitch is Raijin is not a sniper , its a tank . You take point and soak up damage for your buddies. If missiles bots bug you give em an ancile middle finger . If its a one on one fight you will win . If the red are smart they will gank you but that means your friends are not being targeted . This wont help your score which sucks but that is the curse of all good supports . This thread is more my playstyle, so I understand there are many playstyles and some may never climb with their Raijin. Climbing only takes a few seconds, maybe 20s the most. The tactical advantage is both offensive and defensive. I guess my post was too long and no one read it? I stated this twice, and put it at the end again. On defense when I climb, I can dodge rockets. I simply drop off the perch, or I can duck my head down, and the rockets will hit the building/rock that I am on leaving me with no damage. Dodging rockets is a big deal for me since that's one of its weaknesses. On offense when I climb, I get a better view of the battlefield. I can hit targets that I would not be able to on the ground. I also get more and longer sightlines. So things like low cover and obstacles that normally would protect the red, now I can get a clear shot with my Tridents. That means more damage for me. Plus since I can hit almost anywhere on the battlefield, I can usually find a target pretty quick. More targets, more damage.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:41:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:41:56 GMT -5
It can not dodge rockets. People may not hit because of what ever reason but it can NOT dodge rockets. Cmon now seriously. I liked mine too, with two thunders i once killed 4 bots in Shenzhen. In like 30 seconds lmao. But at some point other bots are just..better. nowadays when I see one..yeah I just go ahead and kill it. No, it won't dodge rockets out in the open like a Galahad or Lance with boost can. If you're on the ground, you need to be near cover. I'll explain this more. If you're on a perch, you can simply drop down to escape the rockets, and it'll hit the building/rock you were on and you will avoid all damage. Or you can duck down so that you are dangling off the top of the building/rock. If your body/head isn't peeking over the top, then rockets can't hit you. It's pretty easy to just barely peek your weapons over the horizon, fire, and then duck back down to safety. Spider bots have special legs, so they never have to turn their legs to move in different directions. For bipedal bots, they need to move their turret (or torso) to aim and fire. Bots like Rhino and Lancelot are very slow in turning, while Boa is one of the fastest if not the fastest. But the turret moves independently from the legs, and the legs need to swivel for bipedal bots for changing directions. So if you walking forward and want to reverse direction to move backward, your bot will need to swivel 180 degrees before it will move backward. This will cause I moment where your bot is not moving and appears stuck. If you watch Twinky's latest video with the Ladies' squad, then you can hear the cursing and frustration as one of them keeps saying her bots were "stuck". Bots like Griffin, Lancelot, Rhino, etc. have slow rotation speed for legs. Now for all spider bots (currently 2), they don't get stuck and don't need to turn their legs to change directions. So my spider bot can react quicker and avoid rockets (again have to get behind cover). Another thing is most bots need to account for acceleration. So bipedal bots will need to stop and go if they abruptly change directions. So not only are they wasting time to swivel their legs to point in the right direction, but they need to accelerate to full speed again. Spider bots can be moving at full speed, and continue moving at full speed while changing directions. So no need to accelerate. These 2 traits give the spider bots an advantage when dodging rockets compared to regular bipedal bots. So it doesn't have the speed of say a Galahad, but it doesn't waste as much time fiddling with its legs. In other words, it's more nimble and has more agility. And yes, it's still a clumsy bot and gets its legs stuck on corners. Nimble and clumsy all in one. Another advantage is that spider bots don't slide around in snow either. Yes, the dreaded snow map, and all you had to use was a spider bot. No sliding on that infamous ice covered ramp. No sliding on the hills for no reason. No sliding, unless you want to go skiing, then it's fun.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:52:53 GMT -5
Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 7, 2017 13:52:53 GMT -5
It can not dodge rockets. People may not hit because of what ever reason but it can NOT dodge rockets. Cmon now seriously. I liked mine too, with two thunders i once killed 4 bots in Shenzhen. In like 30 seconds lmao. But at some point other bots are just..better. nowadays when I see one..yeah I just go ahead and kill it. No, it won't dodge rockets out in the open like a Galahad or Lance with boost can. If you're on the ground, you need to be near cover. I'll explain this more. If you're on a perch, you can simply drop down to escape the rockets, and it'll hit the building/rock you were on and you will avoid all damage. Or you can duck down so that you are dangling off the top of the building/rock. If your body/head isn't peeking over the top, then rockets can't hit you. It's pretty easy to just barely peek your weapons over the horizon, fire, and then duck back down to safety. Spider bots have special legs, so they never have to turn their legs to move in different directions. For bipedal bots, they need to move their turret (or torso) to aim and fire. Bots like Rhino and Lancelot are very slow in turning, while Boa is one of the fastest if not the fastest. But the turret moves independently from the legs, and the legs need to swivel for bipedal bots for changing directions. So if you walking forward and want to reverse direction to move backward, your bot will need to swivel 180 degrees before it will move backward. This will cause I moment where your bot is not moving and appears stuck. If you watch Twinky's latest video with the Ladies' squad, then you can hear the cursing and frustration as one of them keeps saying her bots were "stuck". Bots like Griffin, Lancelot, Rhino, etc. have slow rotation speed for legs. Now for all spider bots (currently 2), they don't get stuck and don't need to turn their legs to change directions. So my spider bot can react quicker and avoid rockets (again have to get behind cover). Another thing is most bots need to account for acceleration. So bipedal bots will need to stop and go if they abruptly change directions. So not only are they wasting time to swivel their legs to point in the right direction, but they need to accelerate to full speed again. Spider bots can be moving at full speed, and continue moving at full speed while changing directions. So no need to accelerate. These 2 traits give the spider bots an advantage when dodging rockets compared to regular bipedal bots. So it doesn't have the speed of say a Galahad, but it doesn't waste as much time fiddling with its legs. In other words, it's more nimble and has more agility. And yes, it's still a clumsy bot and gets its legs stuck on corners. Nimble and clumsy all in one. Another advantage is that spider bots don't slide around in snow either. Yes, the dreaded snow map, and all you had to use was a spider bot. No sliding on that infamous ice covered ramp. No sliding on the hills for no reason. No sliding, unless you want to go skiing, then it's fun. Foolishness. In the 5 seconds it takes you to drop sentry mode and move into cover you'll be half dead. Then, when you think the coast is clear and move back into postion your opponent will unload on you AGAIN. yet another salvo of whatever rocket is being aimed at you that you cannot avoid. And no sliding on yamantau? great, you'll move at a snails pace while eating trident after trident after tulumbas. Look, i get it, people have fun with different bots. But fun and good are 2 entirely different animals, and there is NO amount of skill that can make up for a bad bot.
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Jun 7, 2017 14:11:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:11:20 GMT -5
No, it won't dodge rockets out in the open like a Galahad or Lance with boost can. If you're on the ground, you need to be near cover. I'll explain this more. If you're on a perch, you can simply drop down to escape the rockets, and it'll hit the building/rock you were on and you will avoid all damage. Or you can duck down so that you are dangling off the top of the building/rock. If your body/head isn't peeking over the top, then rockets can't hit you. It's pretty easy to just barely peek your weapons over the horizon, fire, and then duck back down to safety. Spider bots have special legs, so they never have to turn their legs to move in different directions. For bipedal bots, they need to move their turret (or torso) to aim and fire. Bots like Rhino and Lancelot are very slow in turning, while Boa is one of the fastest if not the fastest. But the turret moves independently from the legs, and the legs need to swivel for bipedal bots for changing directions. So if you walking forward and want to reverse direction to move backward, your bot will need to swivel 180 degrees before it will move backward. This will cause I moment where your bot is not moving and appears stuck. If you watch Twinky's latest video with the Ladies' squad, then you can hear the cursing and frustration as one of them keeps saying her bots were "stuck". Bots like Griffin, Lancelot, Rhino, etc. have slow rotation speed for legs. Now for all spider bots (currently 2), they don't get stuck and don't need to turn their legs to change directions. So my spider bot can react quicker and avoid rockets (again have to get behind cover). Another thing is most bots need to account for acceleration. So bipedal bots will need to stop and go if they abruptly change directions. So not only are they wasting time to swivel their legs to point in the right direction, but they need to accelerate to full speed again. Spider bots can be moving at full speed, and continue moving at full speed while changing directions. So no need to accelerate. These 2 traits give the spider bots an advantage when dodging rockets compared to regular bipedal bots. So it doesn't have the speed of say a Galahad, but it doesn't waste as much time fiddling with its legs. In other words, it's more nimble and has more agility. And yes, it's still a clumsy bot and gets its legs stuck on corners. Nimble and clumsy all in one. Another advantage is that spider bots don't slide around in snow either. Yes, the dreaded snow map, and all you had to use was a spider bot. No sliding on that infamous ice covered ramp. No sliding on the hills for no reason. No sliding, unless you want to go skiing, then it's fun. Foolishness. In the 5 seconds it takes you to drop sentry mode and move into cover you'll be half dead. Then, when you think the coast is clear and move back into postion your opponent will unload on you AGAIN. yet another salvo of whatever rocket is being aimed at you that you cannot avoid. And no sliding on yamantau? great, you'll move at a snails pace while eating trident after trident after tulumbas. Look, i get it, people have fun with different bots. But fun and good are 2 entirely different animals, and there is NO amount of skill that can make up for a bad bot. I try not to use bastion mode with my playstyle. Like I said, I know there are other playstyles. So it's a lot quicker for me to duck down behind cover, and I have avoided rockets many times. Just saying I will get hit will not make it true. Yes, if someone just sits there in bastion mode, they will get hit a lot with rockets. Also, my playstyle lets me avoid plasma by ducking down too. I can also absorb some plasma rather than going into bastion mode, so there isn't a reason for me to go into it. Again, this is all explained in my OP. That's why I wrote this long post about the Raijin, because it seeks to explain a certain playstyle that is not familiar to many. A style that improves offense and defense. Even if I was being careless, it's not a big deal to get hit. Like I said, Raijin has such a large health pool. I am now aware of him, and it will take him forever to take me out. A lot of times, I'll get hit and then look at my health bar and laugh at the amount of damage they did. I doubt you've seen my playstyle, so don't judge my technique based on other Raijin users using a different style. One Raijin is not the same as another Raijin. Yes, I've seen the terrible Raijin users who think their physical shield will protect them from rockets or something. I've never come across another Raijin user with my style yet, so unless you've played against me. My user name is to the left.
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Jun 7, 2017 14:14:28 GMT -5
Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 7, 2017 14:14:28 GMT -5
So you have a bot with a special ability you don't use...... Your argument is getting worse and worse. Why not use a good bot then like a carnage?
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