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Post by TravLar on May 22, 2017 3:59:33 GMT -5
I've got Tulumbas and Pins at lvl8 for my lvl9 Griffin. I've also got Punishers at lvl8. I'm a fan of the influence punishers have on the battlefield but I hear so much about the RDB. Now that its starting to take real time and ag to upgrade - should I go RDB or Punisher? I'm Gold 1 / Diamond 3
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Post by llama4president on May 22, 2017 4:19:35 GMT -5
I've got Tulumbas and Pins at lvl8 for my lvl9 Griffin. I've also got Punishers at lvl8. I'm a fan of the influence punishers have on the battlefield but I hear so much about the RDB. Now that its starting to take real time and ag to upgrade - should I go RDB or Punisher? I'm Gold 1 / Diamond 3 The higher in league you go, the more RDB will become useful. Abundance of Shielded bots is a sign that calls for an RDB. Punisher Griffin is awesome , both for the appeal of shooting miniguns, and for damage, but it needs you to facehug players (under 100m) to do full damage, and being in the open for at least make the punishers trigger the higher RoF. If you have a Plasma Griffin (Tarans+magnums) it will make punishers totally obsolete, as they are able to land 100% full dps from the 350m range, so the overall dps in an average battle situation is way better with plasmas over punishers. Punishers in current state, should outdps plasmas by over 25% to be viable, imho.
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Post by TravLar on May 22, 2017 6:14:08 GMT -5
Thanks LLama, appreciate it!
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Post by greyhawk on May 22, 2017 6:14:42 GMT -5
A well used punisher griff can outplay a plasma one easely , in any case rdb and punisher griff have totally different roles on the battlefield so they are uncomparable, in any case a punisher griff can be rlly good vs lancelot and is a great help for the team in shredding energy shield he is also a good ambusher vs right targets RDB instead is a midranger great at taking down gareths( if you are very good with tulu) , galahad,rhinos and non ancile lancelots also you have to consider that there are better platform for punishers like leo or lancelot ( for his thougtness) and boa (for his ability to brickfight)
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Post by Golden Sabre on May 22, 2017 6:54:05 GMT -5
My RDB Griff rarely leaves my lineup, perhaps one or two tasks a week when I need light or med bots, the he's right back in. Lead um and press the easy button
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 6:56:04 GMT -5
Russian Griffin is a better choice, but it should be used as a temporary midranger until you can get a better one. I would not invest heavily in it or the Punisher Griffin.
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Post by K A Z on May 22, 2017 8:30:19 GMT -5
RDB hands all the way. Check the molots if you have chance. Need to be upgraded first though.
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Post by zerosoul on May 22, 2017 9:18:26 GMT -5
RDB all way for a Griffin , having punishers just leaves the Griffin too vulnerable . I might try some punishers on different bots to. See if I can make them viable at my lvl ( iOS Diamond 1)
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 22, 2017 9:33:30 GMT -5
Two entirely different roles. If you need the 500m Splash, RDB. If you need the most suppression money can buy... Griff. Punisher Griff is literally a Bullet Hose. It is absolutely viable... but most folk don't like the adjustments you have to make to play one successfully, and just stick with Plasma or Rockets... which is fine... play what you like!
The best way to play this bot for direct damage is to try and get that perfect flanking shot at 250m or less, unload on that poor unsuspecting bot... ripping them new holes while they shoot at my team mate until they realize that they are in bigger danger from me and turn to me or try and retreat... I jump over them, laterally but a little behind or in front, not directly over, and keep spraying. Not much will stand up to that, especially if my team mate is still shooting at them too. Plus... it drains anciles for your teamates to shoot RDBs or DBs or Tridents, etc, at. Think of it as a specialty bot.
RDB, on the other hand... is one of my top 3 bot setups. It is the most versatile Mid Range setup in that you can use it on short maps and long ones with equal success.
So, if you have neither decided upon... try them both where they are... level 8 should be good enough to get the ball rolling on either setup... not great, but good enough to know whether you like them.
Good Luck!
IMO, YMMV
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Post by Shooty McRobot on May 22, 2017 14:49:33 GMT -5
I don't like being weaponless at short range. This is already an issue with the DB Griff, but you accept what you have to accept, and that fearsome arsenal is worth it with all the shield bots around, and at least you have trickle fire. But when Punishers run out, they just run out for a while, and you've got nothing. Likewise you'll reach the nothing point after having stood there inside of 300 for a while to unload them for max effect, which of course puts you in both plasma and SR rocket range. So the guy talking about flanking probably has the right idea even if 「deteriorated bum-bum」 gatling guns make you feel like you can rush in an go head to head.
I like plasma better at short range because it never runs out, at least if you've got Magnums in the mix. And 350 is as good as closer, so why not stay at 350, or at least out of 300. And it melts Carnages and Fujins. So that's why I stick to DB and PDB Griff at short range.
And for midrange, I keep coming back to RDB. I'd rather have the 600m of the Trident Carnage or the 4x Tulumbas of the Doc, but I miss that jump when it's gone. I always wish RDB was more powerful, but from lvl 8 weapons and up its enough to earn a worthwhile regular place in the lineup. Often I'll die in a short range bot a knot of bad guys that I will just die in again if I send in another short ranger, and these days it's often hard shield bots. So when that I happens, I drop RDB instead and do some maintenance work on them from out of range until the area is friendlier. Then I look around and see if there are unguarded beacons ripe for a background snatch and/or blues in trouble, and try to do both at once instead of just standing rooted to a spot waiting for targets to wander into my 500.
As others have said, these are two bots with two different purposes. They are the same range on paper, but RDB is a hard 500 and Punisher is really more like a 200. You can hit with Punishers from 500, but not at the advertised specs. Gotta get closer and narrow that bullet spread. So really you've got a very short ranger and a mid ranger here. I'm not a Punisher fan but if you are, there's a case for using both of these builds in the same hangar. If you have to decide between them, just make sure you have both of these roles covered by some bot in your lineup. If you go Punisher, make sure you've got at least one guy on midrange duty too. If you go RDB, make sure you've got at least 2 and likely 3 on short range duty. And make sure if you go machine guns, you've got plasma and rocket duty covered by other bots.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 21:51:50 GMT -5
RDB griff, useful on all maps, and will still be useful for a long time to come.
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Post by 0ppressor on May 22, 2017 22:21:26 GMT -5
Another RDB vote. Better range and has splash. It does lose in the cool catagory, but winning is cooler.
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Post by moody on May 22, 2017 22:36:54 GMT -5
Two entirely different roles. If you need the 500m Splash, RDB. If you need the most suppression money can buy... Griff. Punisher Griff is literally a Bullet Hose. It is absolutely viable... but most folk don't like the adjustments you have to make to play one successfully, and just stick with Plasma or Rockets... which is fine... play what you like! The best way to play this bot for direct damage is to try and get that perfect flanking shot at 250m or less, unload on that poor unsuspecting bot... ripping them new holes while they shoot at my team mate until they realize that they are in bigger danger from me and turn to me or try and retreat... I jump over them, laterally but a little behind or in front, not directly over, and keep spraying. Not much will stand up to that, especially if my team mate is still shooting at them too. Plus... it drains anciles for your teamates to shoot RDBs or DBs or Tridents, etc, at. Think of it as a specialty bot. RDB, on the other hand... is one of my top 3 bot setups. It is the most versatile Mid Range setup in that you can use it on short maps and long ones with equal success. So, if you have neither decided upon... try them both where they are... level 8 should be good enough to get the ball rolling on either setup... not great, but good enough to know whether you like them. Good Luck! IMO, YMMV Well that little challenge you gave me is, as a side effect, going to end up with me having a fully armed 9/9 lead hose Griff (and will fully arm my tullumbas doc as well). So we'll see how good it is.
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Post by 3castle on May 22, 2017 22:41:56 GMT -5
none of the above.
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