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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 21:08:30 GMT -5
and I draw zero conclusions of anyone's ethical code based on the way they choose to play a mobile app. I draw every conclusion about their ethical code based on how they play a mobile app. If they were just playing a single player game and rigging the system to make themselves better, thats one thing, but there are 11 other people affected by their actions in this game, thats something totally different. then good luck in life...
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on May 21, 2017 22:02:26 GMT -5
I draw every conclusion about their ethical code based on how they play a mobile app. If they were just playing a single player game and rigging the system to make themselves better, thats one thing, but there are 11 other people affected by their actions in this game, thats something totally different. then good luck in life... "Luck"? Very interesting that you ignore skill, hard work, community, and persistence and believe that luck is a more determining factor in one's success in life. Is it that you feel that so much of your life is out of your control? Me, I dont believe in luck, but good things happen upon me mainly because of my good relationships and that I'm seen as a trustworthy person.
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 22:03:44 GMT -5
then good luck in life... "Luck"? Very interesting that you ignore skill, hard work, community, and persistence and believe that luck is a more determining factor in one's success in life. Is it that you feel that so much of your life is out of your control? Me, I dont believe in luck, but good things happen upon me mainly because of my good relationships and that I'm seen as a trustworthy person. Good for you I think...
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 22, 2017 0:44:44 GMT -5
then good luck in life... "Luck"? Very interesting that you ignore skill, hard work, community, and persistence and believe that luck is a more determining factor in one's success in life. Is it that you feel that so much of your life is out of your control? Me, I dont believe in luck, but good things happen upon me mainly because of my good relationships and that I'm seen as a trustworthy person. He can't but ignore " skill, hard work, community, and persistence" as he probably doesn't know what they are, along with ethics. In fact, there is so much skills, hard work, community and persistance in tanking and then clubbing people with a hangar half the level of your as there was in piloting 5 3/6 magnum gepards against people whose best bot was a golem. And it's interesting, but not at all surprising, that the people who today are here justifying, nay, celebrating, tanking use the same arguments used back then by those who were blabbering about the skillZ needed to pilot those gepards (I can't be bothered to go and look if they are actually the same people, but that wouldn't surprise me): "It's just a game", "lots of people doing that", "It's Pixo that makes me do it", "I faced tankers when I was a newbie, so why shouldn't I?". And , finally, the "it's just a game" thing in particular: yes, and then at the same time a huge, resounding no. Online behaviour is so correlated to the real life one that, on the one side, games are used as tools in psycological tests (it turnes out, one behaves in game as he behaves real life, only more blatantly so) and, on the other side, there is a load of studies using game behaviour as predictive of every day behavior: essentially, it turns out that in game sociopaths (which tankers are a a perfect example of) aren't that nice people real life too. Things like scholarcommons.usf.edu/etd/5412/ or www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563215301655 (unfortunately, the most interesting articles are gated and I don't have access to them anymore). Anyway, one can hide behind the "it's just a game" if that makes him/her/it feel better (lying to oneself in order to feel better is a classic sign of narcisism, btw, which is one of the main psychological traits of a sociopath), but.. nah, it actually isn't in the way he/she/it means. That said, I declare the thread hijacked: can't see humorous descriptions of tankers, which was what the OP was about, anymore...
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Post by infraviolet on May 22, 2017 1:42:25 GMT -5
The more I read this thread, the more I realize that tankers really are just in it for their own gain...especially when they're after the free gold.
To hell with that. I've played long enough now to realize the value of teamwork, and how strong teamwork can increase the odds of victory. But more importantly, it's about honor, and chivalry...as corny as that might sound. And I believe these qualities of an individual do indeed carry over into other practices in life, even if it is "just a mobile game".
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Post by MCYL on May 22, 2017 2:23:45 GMT -5
I doubt tankers respect themselves - thats why it's okay for them to tank. After all, respect for others begins with inner respect. Y'know the saying, "do unto others.......", well I guess I'd have to feel sorry for tankers since others have obviously screwed them quite a lot. ive never tanked for the sake of tanking, I did however drop down to LQ for the event so I could speed up my progression, sorry I'm not sorry but I'm not going to fight to get 50 wins all while the mm is forcing me to lose multiple games in a row, did I take the easy way...absolutely but this is a mobile app guys but some around here wanna treat it like it's some sample of the bigger picture of life. The golden rule? Seriously get over it, it's a ?firetruck?ing game, well it should be, some of you need to take a hard look at how offended you seem to get over a mobile app... You wanna see what offended over a mobile app looks like. Me after the bars shut trying to make tinder and uber work towards a unified goal.
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Post by T34 on May 22, 2017 2:28:23 GMT -5
Hey, A? ?? [??A] This is the second thread like this you have started. you abandoned the other thread and moved onto here now? Same topic, similar dialogue. and oddly the people here are the same again (inc urs truly). I think its a minority group chatting!!!!!! not buying into this one tho as it is now boring and it seems like you are on a mission of some sorts.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 22, 2017 2:38:11 GMT -5
Hey, A? ?? [??A] This is the second thread like this you have started. you abandoned the other thread and moved onto here now? Same topic, similar dialogue. and oddly the people here are the same again (inc urs truly). I think its a minority group chatting!!!!!! not buying into this one tho as it is now boring and it seems like you are on a mission of some sorts. Intentions of the two thread were different, as explained: one was an actual suggestion to developers, this was humorous in nature (and was hijacked). Regardless, until an admin tells me I can't, I can and will open as many thread on a subject as I wish, thank you very much. In fact, I've just opened a poll about it, directed to the community on the forum rules. You are free to report all three thread, if you feel they are out of bound.
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Post by MCYL on May 22, 2017 2:40:41 GMT -5
I literally stopped reading right there. When your ethical decision is based on what other people are doing, then you don't really have a firm sense of ethics of your own. Ethics and integrity are what you do and what you are in the dark, son. hahahahaha, son? I like you, let's keep this going, it's fun and I'm getting bored taking in gold all day in LQ and could use a break between matches -Fellas, doubt this sucker understands notions of ethics, integrity and other fake news the world is built upon. I rather keep it simple. You're bored because you're in LQ, NQ wasn't boring but you couldn't win, much like that rubix cube or embroidery kit health workers gave you. Just couldn't win. So instead you get giddy over a virtual gold count. All good. But for the rest of us, the close game is what we look for, gold is just some no. That pops up after a fun 10 mins. Job=CC=ITunes=WRgold It's trivial.
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Post by MCYL on May 22, 2017 2:47:06 GMT -5
and I draw zero conclusions of anyone's ethical code based on the way they choose to play a mobile app. I draw a lot of how people act when they believe they are faceless and unaccountable. To me, this is how they really will treat you once they've dehumanized you (made you just a number, etc) into the "them" category. Anyone in the "them" category can be treated without regard, cause they are no different from people you encounter in something like ....... a mobile app. On the note of facelessness, how I put a profile pic up on here? I looked st every option tapatalk had and can't find an upload photo option
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Post by sharpmango on May 22, 2017 2:54:16 GMT -5
To the tankers who think they aren't dealing with 'real' players. Here is what I wrote back at the end of March when I was still a very new and green player: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/2898/tanking-dropping-rants?page=3 How can someone in Silver 3 get over 1 million damage? It takes just one player to ruin a whole match. Pixonic need to do something. And for those just saying it's only Pixonic's fault. Nope, everyone needs to take personal responsibility too. I don't really see how this is any different to cheating. When I play Monopoly, there is nothing stopping me from stealing from the bank if no one is looking. It's not the game's fault it can't stop me. It's mine. Because this is a computer game, people may think personal ethics don't matter, but they still do. Remember guys. I've only been playing for 2 weeks, and I'm coming up against year old plus players who just want to anhillate new players like me, for the fun of it. It'll kill the game as new players like me get tired of it.
Edit: final rant - What these veterans effectively do is make MY advancement completely random. I can't advance out of Silver 3 for a long time because the win/losses of my game are entirely determined by those who are purposefully dropping out, those who are purposefully losing, and veterans who are winning games single handed. I reckoned I'd be in Silver 3 for a month or so. I'll probably be here for a lot longer since it'll take me a long time to be able to tilt the course of matches my way.
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Now that I look back on my rant, I have to say the addition of the LQ really helped. Things are still bad, but I think they are/were the worst in Silver 3. In that league in particular, where 95% of the player population is new, a single player can genuinely determine the entirety of the game. it is much harder to do that in Gold (where I am now). That's why the worst tankers of all tend to be dropping their way through to get to Silver and rarely have the balls to fight their way back up above Gold.
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on May 22, 2017 2:55:41 GMT -5
Wow wow Too juicy for me not to get entangled/troll whatever ? Just a recap of myself: 1. I WAS not affecred by tankers for most of my games WERE 6/6 2. Honest to God I didn't tank 3. Heck I don't even play War Robots now (hence was and were) lol But, I've actually wondered sometimes reading this forum (yes I still do )...maybe there are more tankers than there are not, and hence Pix is reluctant or not taking truly drastic actions against tankers, otherwise they may be losing a huge players base? Dunno, if such is the case, from a business point of view that makes sense. Or perhaps they're just too lazy or couldn't at all
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Post by llama4president on May 22, 2017 3:32:58 GMT -5
Opening a thread to call some players Morons (bypassing filters)[Edit: ops, i do see there aren't any filters on the Moron word lol] isn't exactly fair to the forum rules. I understand and appreciate some of the humour that followed it, but really, this is just a topic looking for flames/being provocatory.
I think some weeks ago there was a call from the Moderators to be more nice, and respectful. I'd like just to remember it around.
Peace and love.
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Post by zeus on May 22, 2017 3:36:56 GMT -5
iOS experts and diamonds is filled with 10/10+ soft tankers. Games are won based off which team has fewer hydra Griffins or fujins just sitting in the back. When noricoms get boosted, we'll start seeing hydra noricom Griffins or Pattons.
I feel that tanking is more than a manifestation of human greed, there are some real problems with the MM, league and rewards that Pixonic should adjust to stem the tanking behavior from top down.
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Post by typewriter on May 22, 2017 3:57:24 GMT -5
I doubt tankers respect themselves - thats why it's okay for them to tank. After all, respect for others begins with inner respect. Y'know the saying, "do unto others.......", well I guess I'd have to feel sorry for tankers since others have obviously screwed them quite a lot. ive never tanked for the sake of tanking, I did however drop down to LQ for the event so I could speed up my progression, sorry I'm not sorry but I'm not going to fight to get 50 wins all while the mm is forcing me to lose multiple games in a row, did I take the easy way...absolutely but this is a mobile app guys but some around here wanna treat it like it's some sample of the bigger picture of life. The golden rule? Seriously get over it, it's a ?firetruck?ing game, well it should be, some of you need to take a hard look at how offended you seem to get over a mobile app... "I've never stolen for the sake of stealing, I did however take money unauthorized from the community fund for Christmas so I could get myself a Ferrari, sorry I'm not sorry but I'm not going to work for the money all the while gas price hikes and rents are taking away all my money, did I take the easy way ... absolutely but this is a social club guys but some around here wanna treat it like it's some sample of the bigger picture of life. ....."
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Post by Dredd77 on May 22, 2017 5:46:28 GMT -5
Hey, A? ?? [??A] This is the second thread like this you have started. you abandoned the other thread and moved onto here now? Same topic, similar dialogue. and oddly the people here are the same again (inc urs truly). I think its a minority group chatting!!!!!! not buying into this one tho as it is now boring and it seems like you are on a mission of some sorts. Regardless, until an admin tells me I can't, I can and will open as many thread on a subject as I wish, thank you very much. In fact, I've just opened a poll about it, directed to the community on the forum rules. You are free to report all three thread, if you feel they are out of bound. I'll step in here and say that we probably will start clipping a few if it gets much more prolific. These are almost starting to become somewhat formulaic. 1. Pro-tanker runs on the hamster wheel of self-justification 2. Pro-tanker gets beaten like a piñata by the fair-minded community 3. Pro-tanker runs faster on the hamster wheel of self-justification
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Post by sethile on May 22, 2017 6:00:39 GMT -5
Popcorn thread...
Loads of tears...
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Post by Asp on May 22, 2017 6:20:23 GMT -5
I honestly clicked this link expecting to find more funny stuff about tankers and such. Instead I found this deep argument of morality and ethics behind a mask. Gotta say, I love both things - debates and jokes. I am not going to take a side, just appreciate the complexity and devotion of this community at a distance.
This argument is like a galahad arguing with a lancelot about which has the best shield - one has more total HP, but the other is harder to break. I'm just that one zeus carny who is useless against them both, so I'm just going to shoot at some unfortunate griffin or carnage.
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Post by lilryry on May 22, 2017 6:25:55 GMT -5
ive never tanked for the sake of tanking, I did however drop down to LQ for the event so I could speed up my progression, sorry I'm not sorry but I'm not going to fight to get 50 wins all while the mm is forcing me to lose multiple games in a row, did I take the easy way...absolutely but this is a mobile app guys but some around here wanna treat it like it's some sample of the bigger picture of life. The golden rule? Seriously get over it, it's a ?firetruck?ing game, well it should be, some of you need to take a hard look at how offended you seem to get over a mobile app... "I've never stolen for the sake of stealing, I did however take money unauthorized from the community fund for Christmas so I could get myself a Ferrari, sorry I'm not sorry but I'm not going to work for the money all the while gas price hikes and rents are taking away all my money, did I take the easy way ... absolutely but this is a social club guys but some around here wanna treat it like it's some sample of the bigger picture of life. ....." haha I like this one, naive of you to associate ones game behavior with how they would approach real world situations but I enjoy reading flawed views just the same...keep them coming
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Post by lilryry on May 22, 2017 6:26:54 GMT -5
hahahahaha, son? I like you, let's keep this going, it's fun and I'm getting bored taking in gold all day in LQ and could use a break between matches -Fellas, doubt this sucker understands notions of ethics, integrity and other fake news the world is built upon. I rather keep it simple. You're bored because you're in LQ, NQ wasn't boring but you couldn't win, much like that rubix cube or embroidery kit health workers gave you. Just couldn't win. So instead you get giddy over a virtual gold count. All good. But for the rest of us, the close game is what we look for, gold is just some no. That pops up after a fun 10 mins. Job=CC=ITunes=WRgold It's trivial. you should try harder next time, I see what you're going for but it didn't quite hit home...maybe give it another go
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Post by Dredd77 on May 22, 2017 6:49:44 GMT -5
-Fellas, doubt this sucker understands notions of ethics, integrity and other fake news the world is built upon. I rather keep it simple. You're bored because you're in LQ, NQ wasn't boring but you couldn't win, much like that rubix cube or embroidery kit health workers gave you. Just couldn't win. So instead you get giddy over a virtual gold count. All good. But for the rest of us, the close game is what we look for, gold is just some no. That pops up after a fun 10 mins. Job=CC=ITunes=WRgold It's trivial. you should try harder next time, I see what you're going for but it didn't quite hit home...maybe give it another go I don't mind the debate, but let's rein in the wind-up stuff.
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Post by lilryry on May 22, 2017 7:02:30 GMT -5
you should try harder next time, I see what you're going for but it didn't quite hit home...maybe give it another go I don't mind the debate, but let's rein in the wind-up stuff. you mentioned Warcraft yesterday, why not implement a deserter tag if people leave a battle prematurely the same as WoW? Maybe make it 5 minutes instead of 15 though?
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 22, 2017 7:04:37 GMT -5
I honestly clicked this link expecting to find more funny stuff about tankers and such. That was the idea. It just went a different direction.
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Post by zed252000 on May 22, 2017 7:41:34 GMT -5
we should have another Queue for highjack treads also.... =) just a thought..
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Post by MCYL on May 22, 2017 9:58:24 GMT -5
you should try harder next time, I see what you're going for but it didn't quite hit home...maybe give it another go I don't mind the debate, but let's rein in the wind-up stuff. Ok lilryry I shall, @dredd ok, names are just names, numbers don't lie. I'll do it by the numbers. Let's take for instance your ingenious method of making gold "rain" nets you 8au, every game. And a bright mind like that would certainly finish each game in 7 mins. Each day you earn 60gold with tasks. Now you earn so much gold you get bored of it. Let's assume each day, gold rains in at 300au per day. That's 30 games at 7mins per game that's 3-1/2 hrs in a match. At this boredom inducing, LQ farming rate it would take you over 46 days to accrue 14000au or $100 worth. So 45 days or 157hrs of your time is only worth $100? What do you do for the rest of your time? Stitch soccer balls in Pakistan? But the fact of the matter is, you don't earn 8au every game do you? In fact you don't win every game I'm willing to speculate. And so you would be in matches more than 3.5hrs per day wasting up to 11x the time of other players on a daily basis 7 days a week for a month and a half just to collect what stripper would misplace probably 2x a night. Slugging it out in LQ getting giddy at your torrent of gold. Forget about the worth of your ethics or integrity, your time, a finite element in your existence is worth next to nothing. 63.6 cents/hr. Now I dunno whether that hit home or not but buddy of all people your screwing, you're screwing yourself royally. So, Ryry how much did you earn today?
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Post by Dredd77 on May 22, 2017 10:02:46 GMT -5
I don't mind the debate, but let's rein in the wind-up stuff. Ok lilryry I shall, @dredd I'll do it by the numbers. Let's take for instance your ingenious method of making gold "rain" nets you 8au, every game. And a bright mind like that would certainly finish each game in 7 mins. Each day you earn 60gold with tasks. Now you earn so much gold you get bored of it. Let's assume each day, gold rains in at 300au per day. That's 30 games at 7mins per game that's 3-1/2 hrs in a match. At this boredom inducing, LQ farming rate it would take you over 46 days to accrue 14000au or $100 worth. So 45 days or 157hrs of your time is only worth $100? What do you do for the rest of your time? Stitch soccer balls in Pakistan? But the fact of the matter is, you don't earn 8au every game do you? In fact you don't win every game I'm willing to speculate. And so you would be in matches more than 3.5hrs per day wasting up to 11x the time of other players on a daily basis 7 days a week for a month and a half just to collect what stripper would misplace probably 2x a night. Slugging it out in LQ getting giddy at your torrent of gold. Forget about the worth of your ethics or integrity, your time, a finite element in your existence is worth next to nothing. 63.6 cents/hr. Now I dunno whether that hit home or not but buddy of all people your screwing, you're screwing yourself royally. Post of the year contender. Oh, my sides...
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Post by lilryry on May 22, 2017 10:19:51 GMT -5
I don't mind the debate, but let's rein in the wind-up stuff. Ok lilryry I shall, @dredd ok, names are just names, numbers don't lie. I'll do it by the numbers. Let's take for instance your ingenious method of making gold "rain" nets you 8au, every game. And a bright mind like that would certainly finish each game in 7 mins. Each day you earn 60gold with tasks. Now you earn so much gold you get bored of it. Let's assume each day, gold rains in at 300au per day. That's 30 games at 7mins per game that's 3-1/2 hrs in a match. At this boredom inducing, LQ farming rate it would take you over 46 days to accrue 14000au or $100 worth. So 45 days or 157hrs of your time is only worth $100? What do you do for the rest of your time? Stitch soccer balls in Pakistan? But the fact of the matter is, you don't earn 8au every game do you? In fact you don't win every game I'm willing to speculate. And so you would be in matches more than 3.5hrs per day wasting up to 11x the time of other players on a daily basis 7 days a week for a month and a half just to collect what stripper would misplace probably 2x a night. Slugging it out in LQ getting giddy at your torrent of gold. Forget about the worth of your ethics or integrity, your time, a finite element in your existence is worth next to nothing. 63.6 cents/hr. Now I dunno whether that hit home or not but buddy of all people your screwing, you're screwing yourself royally. So, Ryry how much did you earn today? you mad bro?
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Post by MCYL on May 22, 2017 10:22:30 GMT -5
Ok lilryry I shall, @dredd ok, names are just names, numbers don't lie. I'll do it by the numbers. Let's take for instance your ingenious method of making gold "rain" nets you 8au, every game. And a bright mind like that would certainly finish each game in 7 mins. Each day you earn 60gold with tasks. Now you earn so much gold you get bored of it. Let's assume each day, gold rains in at 300au per day. That's 30 games at 7mins per game that's 3-1/2 hrs in a match. At this boredom inducing, LQ farming rate it would take you over 46 days to accrue 14000au or $100 worth. So 45 days or 157hrs of your time is only worth $100? What do you do for the rest of your time? Stitch soccer balls in Pakistan? But the fact of the matter is, you don't earn 8au every game do you? In fact you don't win every game I'm willing to speculate. And so you would be in matches more than 3.5hrs per day wasting up to 11x the time of other players on a daily basis 7 days a week for a month and a half just to collect what stripper would misplace probably 2x a night. Slugging it out in LQ getting giddy at your torrent of gold. Forget about the worth of your ethics or integrity, your time, a finite element in your existence is worth next to nothing. 63.6 cents/hr. Now I dunno whether that hit home or not but buddy of all people your screwing, you're screwing yourself royally. So, Ryry how much did you earn today? you mad bro? Mad? No. Amused? Very much so. Better be off then my TL:DR post probably just cost you 3.5au you could have farmed. :-)
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Post by lilryry on May 22, 2017 10:28:15 GMT -5
Mad? No. Amused? Very much so. Better be off then my TL:DR post probably just cost you 3.5au you could have farmed. :-) i rock around 80% win so you can factor that into your figures, literally just carrying my team to victory 4 out of 5 matches. Give me 3v3 matches all day because that's an auto win for me as I'm simply that dominant at this game... Edit: fixed for Dredd
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on May 22, 2017 10:28:59 GMT -5
I don't mind the debate, but let's rein in the wind-up stuff. Ok lilryry I shall, @dredd ok, names are just names, numbers don't lie. I'll do it by the numbers. Let's take for instance your ingenious method of making gold "rain" nets you 8au, every game. And a bright mind like that would certainly finish each game in 7 mins. Each day you earn 60gold with tasks. Now you earn so much gold you get bored of it. Let's assume each day, gold rains in at 300au per day. That's 30 games at 7mins per game that's 3-1/2 hrs in a match. At this boredom inducing, LQ farming rate it would take you over 46 days to accrue 14000au or $100 worth. So 45 days or 157hrs of your time is only worth $100? What do you do for the rest of your time? Stitch soccer balls in Pakistan? But the fact of the matter is, you don't earn 8au every game do you? In fact you don't win every game I'm willing to speculate. And so you would be in matches more than 3.5hrs per day wasting up to 11x the time of other players on a daily basis 7 days a week for a month and a half just to collect what stripper would misplace probably 2x a night. Slugging it out in LQ getting giddy at your torrent of gold. Forget about the worth of your ethics or integrity, your time, a finite element in your existence is worth next to nothing. 63.6 cents/hr. Now I dunno whether that hit home or not but buddy of all people your screwing, you're screwing yourself royally. So, Ryry how much did you earn today? Very funny! I've never thought about it in these terms. Thanks for providing this enlightening perspective!
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